/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7410405]

Why do people hype up the Silent Hill games so much? All of them aged like shit, the stories are mostly barebones & the world silent hill isn't as impactful and what you'd expect.

[Anonymous No.7410439]

>>7410405
is it me or zoomers are starting to shit up everything? Is this a thing we have to deal with now?

[Anonymous No.7410442]

>>7410405
compare it to its contemporaries, resident evil, alone in the dark, fear effect, clocktower etc. outside of some higherbrow stuff on pc everything else was vanilla gothic or b movie creature features. Even the comparatively quaint silent hill 1 was avant-garde compared to that stuff.

[Anonymous No.7410447]

>>7410439
That's always bound to happen. How much did you try to distance yourself from what your parents liked?

[Anonymous No.7410450]

silent hill fucking sucks

metal gear fucking sucks

movie games fucking suck

[Anonymous No.7410719]

>>7410442
Compared to Resident Evil, Silent Hill 1-3 (ie the supposed good ones) has a FUCKTON of very samey environments in every game with repetitive enemy patterns. The bar was literally a fucking house with varied rooms and shitty zombies, and Silent Hill couldn't even manage producing varied rooms for some reason.

[Anonymous No.7410897]

>>7410405
>Why do people hype up the Silent Hill games so much?
unique games
> All of them aged like shit
nope
> the stories are mostly barebones
nope
>the world silent hill isn't as impactful and what you'd expect.
lol

[Anonymous No.7410905]

The gameplay is meh
Everything else is god tier

[Anonymous No.7411182]

>>7410405
Is this some joke? Apart from combat (which was so-so) everything else was worlds above any other survival horror of the time. Particularly the fact that it didn't rely on jump-scares, but actually scary situations.

Sigh, you people would go to any length just to be different and not like anything that's even barely popular.

[Anonymous No.7411186]

>>7410439
the state of /vr/

[Anonymous No.7411202]

This was the scariest horror game there was back then.

[Anonymous No.7411254]

>aged like shit/milk
phrase that should result in an automatic ban here

[Anonymous No.7411263]

>>7410439
yes, it's you

[Anonymous No.7411302]

Silent Hill 2 was a psychological horror game where every individual enemy and part of the narrative represented a part of the main character's psyche
by 2001 standards it was one of the highest pieces of art you'd find in video games outside of non-games like Osamu Sato. This game came out when video games still had lives. It came out when they still had fucking scores.

Stop judging it by whatever ridiculous modern metric of art game you're comparing it too and look at it in context you fucking zoomer.

[Anonymous No.7411343]

>>7410439
>is it me or zoomers are starting to shit up everything?

[Anonymous No.7411354]

If you do not like Silent Hill, I am sorry to say but you have a low IQ.

[Anonymous No.7411382]

>>7410405
it's basically high school dropouts/underachievers first exposure to symbolism extremely overrated games made for the dude weed 420 audience and emo kids with terrible gameplay and trying to be as "deep" as possible
thankfully resident evil outsold 100 to 10 and now it's dead

[Anonymous No.7411395]

>>7411302
video games can't be art fucking delusional old farts

[Anonymous No.7411409]

>>7410405
Why don't you fuck off you whiny negro.

[Anonymous No.7411453]

>>7411343
not that anon but what the fuck are you even trying to say here? stop beating around the bush with wojaks you fucking shithead and just say what is on your mind.

[Anonymous No.7411568]

>>7410719
>and Silent Hill couldn't even manage producing varied rooms for some reason
part of the appeal of silent hill is the mundane being made terrifying and one way the games emphasize the mundane is by using relatively realistic floor plans.

[Anonymous No.7412031]

>Why do people hype up the Silent Hill games so much? All of them aged like shit, the stories are mostly barebones & the world silent hill isn't as impactful and what you'd expect.

[Anonymous No.7412060]

>All these wojak zoomers crying because you insulted their pretentious storygames
The absolute state

[Anonymous No.7412061]

>>7411254
Agreed. Also, the phrase "dogshit". Tired of this buzzword.

[Anonymous No.7412062]

>>7411354
The gameplay is bad and that is literally the ONLY thing that matters in a video GAME

[Anonymous No.7412071]

>>7412061
>Everything I like is objectively good

[Anonymous No.7412138]

>>7412060
>insulted
yes, i'm insulted by the opinion of a random anon.
how could you tell ?

[Anonymous No.7412156]

OP is a fag as always, but now that we are here i want to say that SH3 had the best UFO ending

[Anonymous No.7412593]

>>7410405
>aged like shit,
konami was never good

[Anonymous No.7412604]

>>7411395
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.7412614]

If you have a problem with stuff not aging well, that's a personal problem and you are probably on the wrong board (which is obvious)

[Anonymous No.7412673]

>>7412614
>Gatekeeping VR
there is no "wrong board" assface we all belong here

[Anonymous No.7412684]

>>7411395
contrarian take amongst your peers

[Anonymous No.7412702]

>>7412673
>gatekeeping
At least try to not make it obvious you're from reddit anon.
There are wrong boards but obviously you need to lurk more.

[Anonymous No.7412708]

>>7412062
I actually really enjoy the gameplay. Dodging the monsters and only shooting when necessary and solving puzzles is fun. You're just too fucking stupid to appreciate this stuff. Go play Doom or Fortnite, you fucking ape.

[Anonymous No.7412719]

>>7410405
they should've made movies the gameplay sucks balls i got bored in the apartments trying SH2 needless to say didn't finish

[Anonymous No.7412776]

>>7412708
This.
Dude was probably some faggot Doom player that forgot where the cancerous /general/ was.

[Anonymous No.7412989]

>>7412708
>dodging monsters
>fun
How

[Anonymous No.7413001]

>>7412673
>Gatekeeping

Cry more bitch.

[Anonymous No.7413249]

>>7410439
This is what happens without some kind of age gating. The problem is that the mooz are now old enough to be a widespread problem that must be dealt with.

[Anonymous No.7413257]

>>7412673
If you're going against everyone else on a board, you don't belong there. I bet you make Linkin Park threads on /mu/ and then cry about it.

[Anonymous No.7413260]

>>7410439
Young people hate things that older people like, most of them willl grow out of it

[Anonymous No.7413498]

>>7410450
These hate shills keep saying that both Metal Gear and Silent Hill suck just to defend Konami. They also feel jealous for Kojima wasting too much Konami money on vacations. Developers should be slaves and hand over the franchise and all the money to their bosses. Fuck off company shills. This is why I pirate my games

[Anonymous No.7413508]

>>7412593
Their developers were good at least till Konami fires them

[Anonymous No.7413526]

>>7412989
>frighten survival horror
>fun
How

[Anonymous No.7413739]

>>7413498
Silent Hill 1 and Metal Gear Solid 2 are two of the best games ever made

[Anonymous No.7413902]

>>7410405
I love Heather!

[Anonymous No.7413913]

wow Popular Thing X ackually sucks, 2/10 would not skim thread again

[Anonymous No.7413974]

>>7413498
Is there even a franchise Konami handles well? It's certainly not Castlevania.

[Anonymous No.7414067]

>>7413974
They left their franchises to invest in this and other cheap shit we never hear about like mobile games

[Anonymous No.7414159]

>>7413974
Gradius never got a bad entry (unless you count the one outsourced to Trashure).

[Anonymous No.7414164]

>>7412071
Yes.

[Anonymous No.7414180]

>>7413913

[Anonymous No.7414201]

>>7414159
arcade 3 had broken hitboxes and was kinda rushed garbage
4 is outright terrible
5 is the second best game in the whole series, seethe more

[Anonymous No.7414210]

>>7410439
Barring a Childhood's End scenario, yes, kids these days will always exist.

[Anonymous No.7414214]

>>7410405
It's the only scary game to get a good movie adaptation.

[Anonymous No.7414217]

>>7410447

If they knew how to use the internet atari stans would see him the same way

[Anonymous No.7414219]

>>7414217
why do you zoomies act like the little lords of technology when you made none of it?

t. atari programmer back when you had to invent new tricks just to keep your game under 2kb

[Anonymous No.7414224]

>>7414201
>4 is outright terrible
shitplayer opinion. it's the best in the series but can't expect good taste from a treasurecuck.

[Anonymous No.7414225]

>>7414224
Gaiden is the best in the series, moron.

[Anonymous No.7414346]

>>7414219

You didn't make it either. The engineers who invent superior storage mediums did.

[Anonymous No.7414348]

Round up all zoomers and kill them already.

[Anonymous No.7414475]

>>7414348
Why? They're the only people making interesting art right now

[Anonymous No.7414565]

>>7410405
She cute

[Anonymous No.7414572]

>>7410439
mostly millennial newfags spiteposting, hide ignore bait posts

[Anonymous No.7414575]

>>7413974
no but it's easier to shit on kojima

[Anonymous No.7414605]

>>7411395
>what is art
oh boy

don't start this shit, you can't win.

[Anonymous No.7414995]

>>7410405
/_/

[Anonymous No.7415192]

>>7414219
>old person using meme lingo
gross

[Anonymous No.7415348]

>>7410439
Mario is overrated and aged like shit.
Metroid is overrated and aged like shit.
Zelda is overrated and aged like shit.
Castlevania is overrated and aged like shit.
Ninja Gaiden is overrated and aged like shit.
Contra is overrated and aged like shit.
Final Fantasy is overrated and aged like shit.
Metal Gear is overrated and aged like shit.
Dragon Quest is overrated and aged like shit.
Resident Evil is overrated and aged like shit.
Silent Hill is overrated and aged like shit.
Sonic is overrated and aged like shit.
Tomb Raider is overrated and aged like shit.
Donkey Kong is overrated and aged like shit.
007 Golden Eye is overrated and aged like shit.
Perfect Dark is overrated and aged like shit.
Street Fighter is overrated and aged like shit.
Mortal Kombat is overrated and aged like shit.
Crash Bandicoot is overrated and aged like shit.
Spyro is overrated and aged like shit.
Diablo is overrated and aged like shit.
Pac-Man is overrated and aged like shit.
Ultima is overrated and aged like shit.
Heroes of Might and Magic is overrated and aged like shit.
Age of Empires is overrated and aged like shit.
Warcraft is overrated and aged like shit.
Kirby is overrated and aged like shit.
Medal of Honor is overrated and aged like shit.
Mega Man and Mega Man X are overrated and aged like shit.
Splinter Cell is overrated and aged like shit.
Command and Conquer is overrated and aged like shit.
Tony Hawks is overrated and aged like shit.
Rayman is overrated and aged like shit.
Croc is overrated and aged like shit.
Tekken is overrated and aged like shit.
Dino Crisis is overrated and aged like shit.
Ace Combat is overrated and aged like shit.

Video games are overrated and aged like shit.

[Anonymous No.7415392]

>>7415192
>Zoomer faggot thinking he knows shit

Gross.

[Anonymous No.7415403]

>>7413498
Silent Hill 1 and 2 and the original 3 Metal Gear games are some of the greatest games ever made.

[Anonymous No.7415409]

>>7412989
Maybe you just don't like Survival horror.

[Anonymous No.7415453]

Because they are some of the best horror games you can play. Most of the other horror games are just shooters or have jumpscares everywhere, SH offers something else.
>All of them aged like shit
How? SH1 doesn't look great but still looks interesting for a late 90s game and unlike SH2, which gameplay isn't great, 1 and 3 both have pretty decent gameplay (combat isn't the only form of gameplay). I don't know if SH2 shitty gameplay would count as "not aging well", beacuse even at the time it felt awkward and worst than SH1.
Even today is hard to find scarier games than SH.

[Anonymous No.7415589]

>>7415453
>Most of the other horror games are just shooters or have jumpscares everywhere
lmao

[Anonymous No.7415659]

>>7415453
>sh1 and sh3 have such better gameplay
this is a meme, it's exactly the same in all of them.

[Anonymous No.7415784]

Haha Heather you can't have dri-

[Anonymous No.7415959]

>>7410405
Shut your faggot ass up, gay ass pussy nigga. This queer probably spent 20 minutes running around in the forest at the start of 2 and starting crying. Get hit by a bus faggot

[Anonymous No.7416778]

2>4>3>1

[Anonymous No.7417864]

>>7415453
>combat isn't the only form of gameplay
Combat gameplay is the most fun but also ruins the horror feel. Horror gameplay was always about removing combat by limiting weapons, darkening visibility, far camera angles that made even harder to aim at the target. And the combat gameplay from the first Resident Evil games were shit compared to Doom and Quake, but still turned out to be a better horror game. Silent Hill simply took the shitty combat gameplay from RE to the next level and made a better horror from it.
>>7415659
That meme impacted sales though. SH4 had the best combat gameplay and people hated it for that though

[Anonymous No.7417885]

>>7417864
This texture work is fucking fantastic.

[Anonymous No.7417890]

>>7411453
>filtered

[Anonymous No.7417892]

>>7415784
fuck off brand

[Anonymous No.7417915]

>>7415392
lol nice comeback grandpa

[Anonymous No.7417916]

>>7417864
The best of the old gen RE is the fixed camera angles, I know it's a meme at this point but the tank controls and the limited vision did wonders in not letting you have control of the space, even with auto aim on, zombies had a chance to surprise you or simply by you fucking up the movement of your character. I've never felt scared in SH, enemies aren't really that dangerous aside from the boss fights.
>>7417885
It has its charm, but what was the reason for downgrade in quality from SH3 to 4? Even 2 looks better at times compared.

[Anonymous No.7417941]

>>7415659
The combat system itself is mostly the same but there are pretty big differences in enemy design which changes the feel quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.7417962]

>>7417916
>enemies aren't really that dangerous aside from the boss fights.
That's what hard mode is for, if you play for the combat. I didn't do much combat so I didn't care

[Anonymous No.7418018]

>>7410405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9_C-TGSC8A
We need more ambient sounds like this, it's pretty intimidating

[Anonymous No.7418020]

>>7417916
>It has its charm, but what was the reason for downgrade in quality from SH3 to 4?
4 was a good game but not a Silent Hill game. Not just because of better combat but also because of different plot and design

[Anonymous No.7418072]

>>7417916
the only times 4 looks bad is the first person sections. It's in my opinion the game that needs a remaster the most because of that. The first person section just look bad while the third person sections look about on par with 3, which makes sense given how many SH3 assets it used

[Anonymous No.7418198]

>>7418018
The weird cutting metal sounds that you could hear at the beginning of SH2 as you walked down the forest. Funny thing is that we could never find out where that came from.

I had similar noises here in the shithole where I live from a place that cut sheets of metal every day. It was funny hearing the same sound after I was done playing

They thought the only person they needed to keep on the franchise was the sound designer. They thought he was the only reason for the success. But once they removed all the others devs it turned shit just like the movie

[Anonymous No.7418297]

>>7417916
I think 3 just had enough variety to really show off a couple times. Throwing in a couple fairly detailed shops throughout the game let them put a little color in. 4 is just unrelenting grey in every environment. They really could have color coordinated more with each world or something.

[Anonymous No.7418630]

>>7412673
go back to r3ddit

[Anonymous No.7418686]

>>7410450
>he thinks silent hill is a moviegame

[Anonymous No.7419325]

>>7418686
zoomers unironically think cutscenes=moviegame

[Anonymous No.7419356]

>>7410405
Exposure, analysis, and familiarity ruin horror. These were great, weird, mysterious games at one point. Now that every onions chugging YouTube fag has made deep dive analyses of these games, now that everyone has hyped them to death and explained exactly what made them so good and interesting, there’s no mystery or horror left to them. They are boring now and the faggy fan base is to blame. The games still stand up well on their own but the problem is they can’t exist inside of a vacuum away from all the plebbit squeeing over them.

[Anonymous No.7419358]

>>7419325
that's some autistic autism there. I hate lengthy cutscenes and I will refer to such as "movie games" if that's going to anger people.

funny thing is e.g. nighttrap would fall under both categories, seemlessly blending non-interactive cutscenes with barely-interactive gameplay. ahead of its time.

[Anonymous No.7421113]

>>7419358
Cutscenes are supposed to be lengthy if the plot requires them to be. If you hate them ignore the plot and just play for playing.

[Anonymous No.7421184]

>>7419358
>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.7421250]

>>7419325
lengthy cutscenes could be added to any game and it won't turn them into movies unless it affects the gameplay. Every MGS game got cutscenes totally separated from gameplay. A real moviegame plays like a movie and only lets you choose the next cutscene to be seen

[Anonymous No.7421310]

>>7421250
What do you think it should be called instead when a game has the equivalent of two or three full length movies in cutscenes? Even if the gameplay isn't cinematic it still ends up feeling too much like a movie when you have to sit there and not actually play for that amount of time. I don't see why the label can't properly be used for both cinematic gameplay and games that have such a big focus on cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.7421375]

>>7421310
>What do you think it should be called instead when a game has the equivalent of two or three full length movies in cutscenes?
>gameplay = cutscenes
I could mod a mario game and add every cartoon episode every time you finish a level and would still preserv the same gameplay meaning that cutscenes can't change gameplay. With or without cutscenes gameplay remains the same. So you got the same mario platformer with added cutscenes. So how you call this? Game with cutscenes not a cutscene game

[Anonymous No.7421410]

>>7414159
Gradius 5 is a fucking gold standard for what horizontal space shooters can be.

[Anonymous No.7421536]

>>7421375
>cutscenes can't change gameplay
But we're not strictly talking about gameplay, we're talking about the game overall. A game can have good non-cinematic gameplay but if it has six hours of cutscenes you're still basically watching a few movies during a playthrough. That's a lot of time spent not playing and only watching things happen, like with a movie. The majority of story should come naturally during the gameplay and not through the use of cutscenes, or else it becomes a movie game regardless of the gameplay itself.

[Anonymous No.7421618]

>>7421536
>But we're not strictly talking about gameplay, we're talking about the game overall.
If you're not talking about gameplay then stop using the old moviegame meme. Long cutscenes are boring I get it. The problem is when people say that the gameplay relates to that. People should put the blame on the cutscenes and leave the gameplay to be judged by its own merits.
>The majority of story should come naturally during the gameplay and not through the use of cutscenes, or else it becomes a movie game regardless of the gameplay itself.
The story can't come through gameplay, it's impossible. You must know who the protagonist is and what he is trying to achieve. If you can't learn about the protagonist and his purpose through cutscenes then we would need long boring texts to explain like we had in the past. But someone could start calling these games bookgames. But bookgames are text based RPGs. And moviegames are interactive movies. Long texts or cutscenes don't change the game genre. So stop making up memes

[Anonymous No.7421849]

>>7410405
Every horror game today rips off Silent Hill for a reason. I could do without the edgy try hard puzzles (the poem is cringe and you know what I’m talking about) but the atmosphere is untouchable. I feel like a fag for using the term “atmosphere”, but it’s true. These games have an atmosphere of their own and nearly every horror game since has wanted to be Silent Hill in some way. The gameplay itself isn’t very challenging, but again, it’s all about the tension and style. It’s an interesting concept.

[Anonymous No.7421886]

>>7421618
>The problem is when people say that the gameplay relates to that.
Yeah obviously it doesn't have anything to do with the gameplay. I did think SH2 had too many cinematic walking sections but it was still a small part overall so saying they're movie games for that isn't accurate.

>The story can't come through gameplay, it's impossible. You must know who the protagonist is and what he is trying to achieve.
Cutscenes are fine if they're being used to set the stage and then the bulk of the experience comes during gameplay is what I meant. Like in SH1 with the school and hospital being nightmarish, there didn't need to be a ton of cutscenes explaining why they were like that and what it all meant. You're just told Alessa was tormented in those places and you experience everything else while actually playing. Short cutscenes can be beneficial as a kind of interlude between gameplay sections. When I try to play something that has no cutscenes at all I find myself wanting to take short breaks every 15-20 minutes anyway.

[Anonymous No.7422003]

>>7421886
>Like in SH1 with the school and hospital being nightmarish, there didn't need to be a ton of cutscenes explaining why they were like that and what it all meant.
More complex story lines need longer cutscenes to understand the plot. Silent Hill is a deep mistery game. MGS is a deep conspiracy game. They both need longer cutscenes. If the game was as simple as saving some princess you could get a shorter cutscene from the villain taking the princess but the game is not simple as that

[Anonymous No.7422023]

>>7417916
>It has its charm, but what was the reason for downgrade in quality from SH3 to 4? Even 2 looks better at times compared.
The actual answer is they split up development to work on SH3 and 4 and 4 was rushed out more. Notice that 3 manages to play it safer too in terms of locations, even reusing Brookhaven from SH2 entirely. 4 does the same by having the second half be backtracking.

[Anonymous No.7422081]

>>7421375
Make them unskippable (as some arrogant devs do) and it would massively change gameplay

[Anonymous No.7422193]

>>7422081
Sure. If you get sleepy during the cutscene your gameplay is ruined

[Anonymous No.7423108]

>>7410405
Off yourself kid

[Anonymous No.7424390]

>>7410405

First one is good, the rest are shit

[Anonymous No.7424403]

>>7411382

Truer words were never typed on the information super highway cyberspace matrix

[Anonymous No.7425029]

>>7410439
theyre the modern day retard equivalent of those nazi bookburners from 1930-40 something.

Theyre gonna try to destroy this like many other culturally significant works and bury them in a pile of dogshit and then shrug until they inevitably turn on and kill each other.

[Anonymous No.7425060]

>>7414214
Shes a good actor and casting. But she still looks stupid here. Prolly the hair

[Anonymous No.7425064]

>>7412156
>jobs to an easy midboss

[Anonymous No.7425306]

>>7410405
If they controlled like RE games and had actual inventory management they would be a lot better to replay today.

[Anonymous No.7425606]

>>7281193 http://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7281193
>I don't understand why SH2 is praised so much, finished it recently for the first time and didn't like it. Maybe it's because it's been overhyped. My main problem is that the game is boring as fuck and a slog to play, the gameplay is terribly repetitive, environments are bland and uninteresting, puzzles range from tedious to cryptic and there are too many dumb moments.
>>7362947 http://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7362947
>Is the resident evil trilogy survivor horror? I always used my bullets in every enemy I see, since they don't respawn. And the only scary part are the jump-scare parts. Like when the dogs comes out off the windows
Is /vr/ into Silent Hill or Resident Evil. Vote here and stop the fighting
https://www.strawpoll.me/514045/