MiSTer FPGA

[Anonymous No.7398170]

Is it legitimately better than software emulation for 8/16-bit consoles, or is it just a meme project?

[Anonymous No.7398184]

Principally FPGA based emulation requires less compute power and has lower latency than software emulation. That's it really.

[Anonymous No.7398190]

Haven't test them on MisTer, but software emulation on that era seems pretty accurate to me, at least on consoles.

[Anonymous No.7398196]

>>7398170
It isn't for you

[Anonymous No.7398230]

>>7398170
8 and 16 bit emulation is perfect as is so no.

[Anonymous No.7398241]

>>7398170
You want MiSTer if you either want to play games on a CRT TV or if you are pedantic about input lag. Otherwise it's may be not worth it.

[Anonymous No.7398251]

What about N64? Cuz games tend to have big graphical glitches on N64 emulators. (Moreso on Mupen64Plus than Project 64, though.)

[Anonymous No.7398278]

Better is a relative term. Is it possible to set up a PC that compares to an FPGA core written specifically for a DE-10 nano? Yes. Do you have that PC? Very unlikely. Software emulation is great for jarpigs and other shit that no one plays, but try a scotformer or anything that requires skill. Even the biggest scrub will notice the difference. Advances in software emulation move away from the hardware it is emulating, advances in FPGA move toward the hardware it is emulating.

[Anonymous No.7398296]

>>7398251
The N64 issues people complain about seem more to do with third party games like the ones from Rare. I've been playing Mario 64 lately and it's perfect. No graphics issues and no lag time.

[Anonymous No.7398408]

>>7398278
autism

[Anonymous No.7398659]

>>7398408
He's right about all but the value of the device for the average user.
Most people won't notice or care.
I know this because I was at a bar where they were emulating SNES on a shield running through an lcd tv that I autistically tried to reduce the input lag on for like half an hour because it was driving me insane to play SMW on it. No one else saw the value of this. They were just happy to okay SMW.

[Anonymous No.7398664]

>>7398659
Play*

[Anonymous No.7398859]

It is, but retards have already made up their minds about emulation being superior.

[Anonymous No.7398869]

>>7398170
It's a meme project.

[Anonymous No.7398874]

>>7398869
Found the retard.

[Anonymous No.7398878]

>>7398196
>It isn't for you

[Anonymous No.7398883]

>>7398170
>MiSTer

[Anonymous No.7398896]

>>7398170
>>7398184
>FPGA
Faggotry Pedophilia Gayest Activation?

[Anonymous No.7398954]

>>7398170
Gee MiSTer, that device is a huge waste of money. You're better off emulating via PC.

[Anonymous No.7399014]

>>7398170
Gee MiSTer, you should definitely don't waste your money on the proper tool for simulating/emulating IC's and shit but instead invest in a 3000$ Gayming PC for even more accurate emulation than even the original console can do. I mean u can run Fortnite and your emulators!

Stupid Faggotry Pedophilia Gayest Activation user.

[Anonymous No.7399043]

>>7398170
ZSNES was a meme. The idea you could play SNES games on a PC was a pipe dream that didn't come to fruition until better emulators came along and demonstrated good enough emulation. Then bsnes basically demonstrated what the best you can do in software on a consumer OS with generic USB input could do.
MiSTer is to FPGA what ZSNES was to emulation. A demonstration, a proof of concept, of what's to come. Eventually the cores that make up the MiSTer project will be replaced by absurdly accurate ones taken from electron scanning microscope photographs of real SNES chips and the painstaking work of an autist with an oscilloscope.
But we are a long way away yet, and when that day comes, chances are the core won't work on a DE-10 nano. So knowing that, do you want to buy into ZSNES 2.0 hardware?

[Anonymous No.7399059]

>>7399014
Or maybe just use a normal computer and emulate without being prissy little bitch about nearly imperceptible visual details.

[Anonymous No.7399082]

>>7398659
I was playing Uncharted 3 with my TV set to movie mode for like 3 hours until I noticed. I just assumed Nathan Drake was supposed to control that sloppy. But when I realised and fixed it, the game felt much better to play. If you didn't grow up with a real SNES playing SMW you won't see anything wrong with an extra 3 frames of input lag. But once you are used to playing a lag-reduced version you'll never want to go back. People are happy watching movies on Walmart LCD TVs without spending on a home cinema. But still high end AV receivers, OLED panels and projectors exist to cater to the people who want a better experience. I wonder if on AV forums there's a dedicated bunch of PC users telling people they are idiots for not just watching YIFY torrents on their windows PCs.

[Anonymous No.7399096]

>>7398184
Latency issues have been solved in most modern 8 & 16bit emulators though, they're literally at pairity with the hardware, and in some cases can actually remove a frames worth of input lag on top of that.

[Anonymous No.7399112]

>>7399059
No thanks, I'm done with the emulator jitter shit fest. If it's a satisfying experience for you that's good for you.

[Anonymous No.7399117]

>>7399043
>ZSNES was a meme.
then how come i played all my favorite snes games on it
plus all the ones that were never released in europe - all while there were still some snes games on the shelves?

[Anonymous No.7399118]

>>7399096
>Principally
Learn2read

[Anonymous No.7399121]

>>7399112
Imagine advertising that you're this incompetent

[Anonymous No.7399126]

>>7399118
You can't get lower than hardware by recreating the systems IC logic, so no, in principal an FPGA solution does not result in lower latency than emulation, which in principal can achieve lower latency

Learn2think

[Anonymous No.7399143]

>>7399126
Except emulation doesn't achieve lower latency, it just runs 9000 instances of the game and guesses which one matches the button you pressed. So no, that isn't even close to recreating anything. Retard.

[Anonymous No.7399149]

>>7399143
I've never seen an emu that does that, or anything like that, to achieve lower latency, and I've contributed to a lot of open source emulators.

Do you even code bro?

[Anonymous No.7399161]

>>7398170
Every project is a meme project in a meme life in meme world in a meme universe.

[Anonymous No.7399163]

>>7399121
Yeah, imagine I don't waste my time tuning settings, so my computer can run an architecture from the 90's as accurate as possible if more suitable tools exist for that task.

It's defiantly a meme if a modern CPU needs multiple threads and 200 watts to push some sprites somehow accurate over the screen.

[Anonymous No.7399167]

>>7399163
> Download
> Extract
> Double Click

So much time wasted

[Anonymous No.7399197]

>>7399167
Oh shi- realy?!?!?!
You are to smart for /vr/ you probably should stay at /g/ they totally need such smart guys like you.

[Anonymous No.7399201]

>>7399149
>Do you even code bro?

Stop larping faggot.

[Anonymous No.7399205]

Mister can succ ma dicc

[Anonymous No.7399209]

>>7398184
FPGA's interface with the electronic hardware, emulators don't. That's it.

If you invented some new mapper configuration or peripheral for NES, you would test it on a real system or on an FPGA.

[Anonymous No.7399218]

>>7399149
Thanks for the anecdote, Singh. The Python script you wrote to draw a dick on Sonic doesn't count as code or a contribution though.

"An experimental Input Lag Compensation mode being rolled out in new versions of RetroArch fixes this issue by basically fast-forwarding a few hidden frames behind the scenes before displaying that first "reaction" frame in the expected spot. So in a game like Sonic the Hedgehog, which has two frames of input lag, the game will quickly emulate two additional, hidden frames after every new input."

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/better-than-reality-new-emulation-tech-lags-less-than-original-consoles/

"The Libretro forum post linked above provided patches to RetroArch that can effectively “remove” this baked-in latency by running multiple instances of a core simultaneously, and quickly emulating multiple frames at a time if input changes."

https://medium.com/@libretro/retroarch-1-7-2-achieving-better-latency-than-original-hardware-through-new-runahead-method-1b80d26bb5d1

[Anonymous No.7399231]

>>7399218
lol well there's your problem, A) nobody cares about experimental features, and B) RetroArch is shill garbage built on the backs of the real contributors in this community

[Anonymous No.7399242]

>>7399231
>I've never seen it
>OK I've been caught larping
>lol u stil suk

Do the needful and gas your entire village.

[Anonymous No.7399247]

Sometimes I wonder how many of you are such bitter disappointments to your parents that you've been disowned.

[Anonymous No.7399259]

>>7399231
Replacing "Master" with "Main" is not a contribution to a project.

But i agree RetroArch is just a leech.

[Anonymous No.7399264]

>>7399259
So you support slavery is what you're saying?

[Anonymous No.7399273]

>>7399264
Yes.

[Anonymous No.7399280]

>>7399264
I support not changing things to appease people that don't give a fuck yes.

[Anonymous No.7399281]

>>7399273
Good thing whites are being outbread then, it'll be fun owning your hillbilly ass :)

[Anonymous No.7399304]

>>7399281
>outbread
>inbread

Whites have never been the majority and have always managed to make subhumans like you do as you are told.

[Anonymous No.7399308]

>>7399304
But now you're being outbread in your own countries after the last decade or so of mass emigration.

Soon you'll be pickin' my cotton boy.

[Anonymous No.7399324]

>>7398659
>No one else saw the value of this. They were just happy
Thats /vr/ in a nutshell. Happy little mario loving idiots.

[Anonymous No.7399325]

>>7399117
It wasn't a perfect analogy. ZSNES existed for a long time before 1.21W. It ran in DOS, had awful sound emulation, didn't support transparency, didn't emulate the mask layer, didn't emulator HV interrupts properly...
After a few years it got to the point that you could reasonably expect to get a decent, if not perfectly accurate experience. But mostly this was after SNES9x had overtaken it in every way.
MiSTer is far more accurate now than ZSNES was at its height, but because so too have software emulators moved FAR on from there the comparison I thought was still apt.

[Anonymous No.7399329]

>>7399201
Holy shit, that dude is never going to make it

[Anonymous No.7399334]

>>7399308
Yes some street shitter who doesn't know the difference between bread, bred, emigration and immigration is definitely going to be calling the shots. You seem to have forgotten that our "own countries" belonged to a bunch of shitskins like you before a few of us took them off you.

[Anonymous No.7399340]

>>7399264
Murican problems are not my problems.
I don't support slavery, but I also don't support sjw fragility.

So stop crying faggot.

[Anonymous No.7399358]

>>7399340
Nice false equivalency, but McMaster is a name, not the word Master you nazi

[Anonymous No.7399369]

>>7399218
This comes up in every one of these threads. The "better than real hardware" is only theoretical when running under win10. The reality is that your OS and drivers are adding so much latency that retroarch is having to use esoteric methods to try and get perceived latency back down to acceptable levels.
IF you get RetroArch to run on bare metal on a custom OS designed for direct framebuffer access with no framebuffer emulation getting in the way (I'm looking at you linux) and IF your monitor has the response time of a VGA CRT (short answer is to just use a VGA CRT) THEN and ONLY THEN does retroarch's fancy runahead genuinely give you better than real hardware. Under normal circumstances enabling runahead, late polling and hard sync only serves to get perceived latency down to roughly the same as a regular SNES. And it's also worth noting that games don't just poll the input once in a frame, runahead has the unfortunate downside of reducing the granularity of polling down to 16.67ms when games such as Kirby polled much more frequently.

[Anonymous No.7399372]

>>7399358
It literally means "son of master".

[Anonymous No.7399398]

>>7399358
Oh no! This faggot called me a nazi.
Like 9001 fucks were given.

[Anonymous No.7399405]

>>7399264
Sorry. I don't support kink shaming.

[Anonymous No.7399434]

>>7399369
Correct. It's the same with all emulators, which are basically a software sandwich glued to an infinite configuration of hardware. No matter how "good" the emulation appears to be, it's a bloated compromise.

[Anonymous No.7399587]

>>7399369
So your complaint is that software emulators work as effectively or even better than the original hardware but they have to do more work to make that happen? Unless you're the dev team's manager that sounds like a pretty ridiculous complaint for a user to have.
Who would expect a solution that has the benefit of doing everything for a variety of unrelated platforms, device agnostic, and through software alone *wouldn't* require more processing than a dedicated hardware solution would? That's the point. It's using software to spare the need for dedicated hardware.

[Anonymous No.7399631]

>>7399587
No matter how hard you try the underling platform (mostly win10) is not that well suited for this task. A real-time OS or even bear metal Software could be a very nice solution.
Software emulation is really not that bad but its still not the best option for that task.

[Anonymous No.7399639]

>>7399587
>so you're saying...

The man was very clear about what he was actually saying, retard.

[Anonymous No.7399647]

>>7398296
My experience of graphical issues was mainly with Doubutsu no Mori and Pokemon Stadium 2.

[Anonymous No.7399662]

>>7399631
It's the best option because it doesn't require special hardware and can be generalized to whatever you want. That outweighs any extra work needed for it to run, especially when it isn't work that causes the user lag or distortion compared to hardware.
>>7399639
Fuck off retard. There's nothing wrong with making an implication explicit to argue against it. The complaint against software emulation at this point isn't a complaint at all.

[Anonymous No.7399686]

>>7399662

Like look at this piece of shit from Nintendo. It's an STM32 running an NES Emulator on bare metal and for the used mcu the performance is fine. Imagine you strip the OS and try to optimize the IO pipelines. That would be an impressive Emulator for once ... But let's be realistic i don't think this is gonna happen on a full-blown x86 platform anytime soon.

And like in every MiSTer thread my opinion is still: use whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.7399704]

>>7399218
>>7399304
>>7399325
>>7399369
>>7399434
>>7399587
>>7399631


read >>7399209 and STFU

[Anonymous No.7399853]

>>7399662
>there's nothing wrong with strawmanning

Fucking mouthbreather.

[Anonymous No.7400062]

I thought it was pretty fucking stupid, until recently. CPS 1 and 1.5 emulation is supposed to be almost arcade perfect now, also the new DoDonpachi core.

I love JAMMA boards, but fuck them, there are PCBs that I own which I only play like once a year, get it out, set it up, oh fuck you it's dead, better get the logic probe and the multimeter out.

If more and newer arcade cores are available I am definetely getting one.

[Anonymous No.7400118]

>>7399126
>emulation, which in principal can achieve lower latency
Then the emulation is less accurate retard. It's fundamentally hacking the game and modifying it, creating all sorts of glitches and inconsistencies. Some bits are going to be harder, some bits are going to be easier. If it's action-intense you're playing nowhere near the real game.

[Anonymous No.7400129]

Mister is hardware preservation.

[Anonymous No.7400191]

>>7400129
No it's not. Hardware preservation is to buy actual hardware and never use it.

[Anonymous No.7400192]

>>7399853
Zero strawmanning, faggot. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.7400775]

>>7399358
Ha ha ha did you actually call someone a nazi wow what a faggot ha ha ha

[Anonymous No.7401489]

>>7400191
based retard

[Anonymous No.7401589]

>>7399096
Not input latency

[Anonymous No.7401613]

What's the odds this thing will eventually run Saturn/PS1/N64?
Tempted to get a Mister for the neo-geo core alone, but a full setup with the I/O board etc. is like 500 AUD which is a big investment for me in my current (and for the near future) financial situation.

[Anonymous No.7401817]

>>7398278
>Do you have that PC? Very unlikely
if you have hardware that supports Freesync, yes.

[Anonymous No.7401823]

>>7398659
>I was at a bar where they were emulating SNES on a shield
disgusting

[Anonymous No.7401830]

>>7399369
Using freesync removes regular vsync lag in emulators.

[Anonymous No.7401850]

>>7399059
>Or maybe just use a normal computer and emulate without being prissy little bitch about nearly imperceptible visual details.

If you live in the US or Canada. go to Walmart's website (I am not a fan of Walmart). Look up refurbished PC's, and note that they actually have thousands of listings for I3's and I5 tier systems (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th gens mostly) for as low as $150.00. A refurbished I7 could be had for $300+. BestBuy has the same thing on their website. There are a lot of retailers out there that sell refurbished PC's for similar prices. Look around at the local PC/ department store chains.

[Anonymous No.7402331]

>>7401613
PS1 core is WIP. Saturn is probably happening. N64 is probably not happening because of the complexity.

Btw you should not pay that much. Just dont buy your parts from "MiSTer Shop's" there you pay your extra meme tax. A full setup should be possible at least for half the price.

[Anonymous No.7402341]

>>7401613
Buy from aliexpress

[Anonymous No.7402661]

>>7402331
I actually wasn't looking at prebuilt kits, the DE-10 nano alone seems to run about 200 (AUD) without shipping wherever I look.
Add to that all the add-ons and peripherals you need (RAM, I/O, powered USB hub, etc.) I figure it'll add up to $350 at least. I was just rounding up from there with shipping, controllers, and in case I'd forgotten anything (like a case, actually).

>>7402341
Thanks for the suggestion. I could just be retarded, but I did have a quick look however nothing relevant came up.

[Anonymous No.7402848]

>>7402661
Oh, I see ... Didn't know AUD was so far apart from EUR ... Yeah, the de-10 Nano is about 120€ or ~190 AUD, but it should include shipping if you order from digikey or mouser.

RAM and I/O Board are about 50€ or ~80 AUD you can find them on aliexpress just search for "mister fpga"

You can get a USB-Hub there too but in my opinion it's a novelty, but I can understand why people want it.

A heat sink is recommended so keep this in mind too.

Maybe if you wait the price drop even further. I bought mine after the NEOGEO core war released and I don't regret it.

[Anonymous No.7402865]

If you're planning on having a CRT setup or a super low-lag monitor to fuck around with and rotate and shit, get a MiSTer. Otherwise play your vidya on your computer with Emulators.

But for CRTs it's the easiest way to play those games without a fuckton of systems and wires/adapters.

[Anonymous No.7403084]

>>7401613 >>7401613
There's a Saturn core in development https://twitter.com/srg320_/status/1356653868759871493

[Anonymous No.7403328]

>>7402848
£300 gets you everything in the UK, that's through misterfpga.co.uk for the parts and Digikey for the DE 10. Aliexpress is slightly cheaper, but compatibility is a risk and the 6 week wait is a deal killer.

[Anonymous No.7403543]

>The MiSTer is not a product
>Sees MiSTer logo plastered on the device
>There's even a website selling MiSTer devices
>B-B-But it's not a product
Anyone defending the MiSTer, is a shill.

[Anonymous No.7403569]

>>7403543
Where's this logo you are talking about?

[Anonymous No.7403672]

>>7403543
Oh shi- this guy totally found out about my shilling.

But thanks god he didn't found my secret manufacturing data so he can't produce his own de-10 add-ons with his dick Logo on it with his own asking price.

Oh no guys all the super secrete MiSTer data got leaked!

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer/tree/master/Addons

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel

Now this faggot can produce his own add-ons and steal all my money!

Noooooooooooo!

[Anonymous No.7403709]

Does it work with lightgun games at all? Already have everything I want in ODEs/flashcarts hooked up to my main TV, but a dedicated lightgun MiSTer would be awesome with one of my parent's CRTs.

[Anonymous No.7403724]

>>7403543
This fuckingFaggotRetardAgain. Go Shill your faggotAnal-ogue products elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.7403756]

>>7400118
(you)

[Anonymous No.7403839]

>>7403709
Not with all cores.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/User-Port-(Serial-IO)

Another option is the wiimote support for some cores.
Didn't try it myself but looks interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9lLmi2qA6Sg

[Anonymous No.7404037]

The reality of fpga and wthat the pc idiots will never have and not even understand
https://www.patreon.com/posts/cps1-cps1-5-46899296?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=postshare

[Anonymous No.7404051]

>>7398659
You sound unbearable

[Anonymous No.7404460]

>>7403569
On the backside.

>>7403672
Ah yes, it's not like there's a website dedicated to selling MiSTer parts. Oh wait...
>misteraddons.com

>>7403724
No one except you brought up ANALogue.

[Anonymous No.7404627]

>>7404460
The only thing I found on the backside of the de-10 nano was a pic of your wife's black son.

>Ah yes, it's not like there's a website dedicated to selling MiSTer parts. Oh wait...

Yes and there are many more. Imagine people build hardware based on open source designs and get paid for material and work and even compete in price.

But I must admit that misteraddons.com is very cringy. 335$ for "Pre-Configured Bundles" is a meme price that only brainlets are gonna pay.

[Anonymous No.7404654]

>>7401613
You can do it all cheaper. Instead of the official USB hub, use an eastvita micro usb hub. Instead of the IO board, use an older HDMI-to-VGA dongle based on the AG6200 chip - which basically means any older dongle. Newer ones tend to be shit. You still need the DE-10 Nano and the RAM, but the total will now be about 250AUD.

[Anonymous No.7404679]

>>7404654
This is a valid option too.
But don't forget to set the "Direct Video" option.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video

Here a (You) for the great advice.

[Anonymous No.7406180]

>>7404037
MiSTer is just going to keep getting better and better and emulatards are going to get saltier and saltier. MFW a plan comes together.

[Anonymous No.7406349]

>mister announced
>hardware fags are much more positively receptive of misters and fpgas in general
>emulation enthusiasts furious
What the hell? shouldn't it be the opposite ?

[Anonymous No.7406378]

>>7406349
Emulation enthusiasts also like the mister project. It's the retroarch retards that keep ruining the conversation.

[Anonymous No.7406414]

>>7406349
>tfw don't care how people play games as long as they are playing them
I will call you a faggot if you insist on using zsnes and nesticle, though.

[Anonymous No.7406421]

>>7406378
This. Every hour spent developing MiSTer is an hour Retroarch loses. Fuck Retroarch. My PC is for srs bzn and whilst that's busy, I can hop over to MiSTer for a superior experience. MiSTer is also perfect for retro gamedev.

[Anonymous No.7407268]

how "often" were non flash loader/modchip random hardware essentially shilled on /v/? i've been looking at threads here for like the past week or so, it's like they keep appearing

[Anonymous No.7408406]

>>7406414
>I don't care
>proceeds to care

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.7408631]

>>7408406
You can play games however you want, but if you're using ZSNES, then keep it in your bedroom (^:

[Anonymous No.7408781]

>>7408631
Or you'll cry about it on the internet?

[Anonymous No.7408905]

>>7406421
I don't even think it's the developers, it's the retarded fan bases on both sides. There are benefits to accuracy and extension via various mods and hacks. Both are viable and both are valuable. Eventually consoles will die and having them sketched out in fpga code will mean they are never truly lost which is also valuable for emulation.

[Anonymous No.7410549]

a little

[Anonymous No.7410553]

>>7398251
Mister can't do N64

>>7399686
emulators from Nintendo are not perfect by any means

[Anonymous No.7410585]

>>7408781

[Anonymous No.7410657]

>>7398170
YES it is. The only problem is that you will have your desk with a lot of cables. It was never meant to be a console.

[Anonymous No.7411654]

>>7406180
I'm sure they will end up changing their mind in the future, more and more people are investing on MISTer, it's attracting more dev too and this help to make grow the community even larger, it can only help to push the whole thing further, they are talking about saturn emulation now, maybe N64 will happen too...

At one point I only see MISTer becoming something common as a retro pi.

[Anonymous No.7412204]

>>7398170
No! it depends of the core author
as in emulation it depends of the emu author
simple as that.

[Anonymous No.7412239]

>>7398170
In some ways, yes but not in others.

The advantage of the MiSTer is that, if all the chips are simulated accurately, you can get a similar level of accuracy as cycle accurate emulators but without the latency issues that emulators nigh-on inherently have.

However, the downside of FPGAs is that it is notably more difficult to simulate enhancements that go beyond what original hardware can do (e.g. HD Mode 7, PGXP) or inaccuracies needed to run certain ROM Hacks (e.g. ROM Hacks that needed ZSNES to run until BSNES added option to emulate hardware inaccurately).

[Anonymous No.7412435]

dunno about mister but this thread made it look like a wankfest

[Anonymous No.7412618]

where to get a d10 nano pcb in europe? no scalpers plz

[Anonymous No.7412836]

>>7410553
>Mister can't do N64

There are some attempts to get MIPS architecture emulated in FPGA. The Playstation 1 uses a R3000, the N64 uses an R4300 derivative, the PS2 uses a R5900 derivative. But the DC-10 FPGA used in most MiSTER's don;t have enough gate arrays to make this possible.

[Anonymous No.7412875]

>>7412836
>But the DC-10 FPGA used in most MiSTER's

Kek

>>7412618
Mouser, Digikey and Terasic.
Not in the EU but I bought mine Form Mouser and no extra fee for shipping or customs (shipped to germany). But i guess you are out of luck. The de-10 nano is sold out and might be available again in mid 2021.

[Anonymous No.7412885]

>>7408905
have you not seen the drama coming from the devs though?

[Anonymous No.7412901]

>>7412885
I'm sure a few sick in the heads will cause a commotion, but truthfully they're in the minority. I like playing games and I like having options when I play games, so I want both the emulation and fpga scene to flourish.

[Anonymous No.7413429]

>>7406414
I use zsnes AND nesticle.
Just because they use very little processing power though.

[Anonymous No.7413604]

>>7399043

Then why buy anything, knowing that in 5-10 years it will be obsolete?

[Anonymous No.7414161]

>>7412875

671 In Stock
Can ship immediately

https://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/terasic-inc/P0496/P0496-ND/6817231

[Anonymous No.7414165]

>>7401613
>500 AUD
bruh you could buy a NeoGeo cabinet for that much

[Anonymous No.7414189]

>>7413429
Doesn't nesticle require you to run a dos emulator to get it working on modern systems?

[Anonymous No.7414361]

>>7414161
Didn't checked digikey UK. But don't forget that the UK isn't a part of the EU anymore.

[Anonymous No.7414378]

>>7414361
It ships from US anyway.

[Anonymous No.7414412]

>>7402848
A fair warning about the chink IO board.
Mine arrived yesterday and everything was fine even a fan was included. The only thing that was not okay was that the pins for the Arduino header were missing and the flux of the soldering was still present. The Arduino pins are only necessary for the User IO port and the extra SD card slot. I soldered the missing pins and cleaned the board from the flux. It's still a good deal if you know how to solder the missing pins.

[Anonymous No.7414436]

>>7414412
Buying chink boards is just not worth it. QC aside, compatibility is a crap shoot. It was worth the extra pennies to get mine through misterfpga.co.uk as any issues are their problem and returns are painless.

[Anonymous No.7414468]

>>7414436
Compatibility shouldn't be an issue. The only difference is that the chink one was v6.0 and the misterfpga.co.uk one is v6.1. The IO Board is populated with mostly passive parts, so there is really nothing special about it.

The difference of ~ 32-33 € might be worth it for some. For me, it was a great deal, but I can understand that people don't want to mess around with a soldering iron and don't like the 6 week shipping time.

>>7404654
But this is still a good budget option if someone really needs analog output for a low price and don't want to mess around with the chink IO board.

[Anonymous No.7414510]

>>7414468
I have read about chink usb boards being a problem for certain cores, point being there are slight differences. For a guy like you who is comfy tinkering with his gear, it's less of an issue, but for others they are better off buying from a dedicated dealer and yeah shipping times are no joke at the best of times, but currently it's more like 2 full months.

[Anonymous No.7414536]

>>7398170
Bought my mister about a month ago and loving it. A no brainer if you haven't got any retro consoles.

[Anonymous No.7414551]

>>7398241
I thought the point was to plug these into newer TVs? Why wouldn’t I just play snes on a crt using actual hardware plus an ever drive

[Anonymous No.7414558]

>>7399014
A wii cost 50 bux

[Anonymous No.7414561]

>>7414551
Does your SNES run Neo Geo games? Or NES games? Or arcade games?

[Anonymous No.7414568]

>>7414551
It can do both.
Also with this you can consolidate your consoles. No need to own a NES, and a SNES, and a Master System, Genesis, Neo Geo, etc. or a candy cab; the Mister does it all.

[Anonymous No.7414570]

>>7414551
Or better yet just a hacked wii

[Anonymous No.7414595]

>>7398878
Dang, Will from the Inbetweeners is getting old.

[Anonymous No.7414790]

>>7413604
The comparison with Zsnes is bullshit, the snes core is already better than higan or bsnes.

[Anonymous No.7414792]

>>7414790
The emutards are getting really desperate lately. I predict it will only take 5 more MiSTer threads to push one of them over the edge. Yes I will be making those threads over the next month.

[Anonymous No.7415357]

>>7414570
To be fair, emulation quality on MiSTer for consoles it does emulate is generally higher than on Wii.

[Anonymous No.7416156]

>>7398170
Just bought mine boys. I wonder if my TV will have problems with the low latency mode.

I have my tv hooked up to a Retrotink and it has no problems with SNES, NES and Genesis. On SNES and NES there's some judder every now and then but I don't care too much about that. Will I be fine? It's 49" Samsung Q60R btw (non 120hz model).

[Anonymous No.7416193]

>>7416156
FreeSync
You can make your gaming experience more pleasant by eliminating screen tearing and stuttering.
– Be sure to set this function only for the external devices that support the AMD Radeon FreeSync feature.
– For an optimised game environment, set the resolution of the external device to 1080p at 120 Hz. For more
information, refer to "Supported Resolutions for FreeSync".
" If the resolution is not supported, the operation may not be smooth.
" When the FreeSync options are set or the FreeSync function is operating for an external device, the screen may flicker.
" Slight brightness changes may occur during FreeSync operation

[Anonymous No.7416230]

who soldered boards by themselves here?

[Anonymous No.7416291]

>>7416193
Mine doesn't have freesync though, that's the thing.

The Retrotink outputs the standard 60.10Hz or whatever the SNES outputs right? If it does then I should be fine.

[Anonymous No.7416301]

>>7414568
No I’d rather play on real hardware. Enjoy playing neo geo games with a steam controller or whatever faggot

[Anonymous No.7416363]

>>7415357
Not really a noticeable difference when playing a wad from Nintendo. Certainly wouldn’t pass a blind play test

[Anonymous No.7416458]

>>7416363
If it's a NES wad then it'd be pretty obvious. Looks like trash on the Wii.

[Anonymous No.7416471]

>>7398170
It's a meme project. It can't emulate Dreamcast/Saturn/PS1/N64 games.

[Anonymous No.7416516]

>>7416458
>Says the guy who spent 400 on an nes emulator

[Anonymous No.7416534]

>>7414792
>seething mIster fag thinks he’s not playing an emulator as well

[Anonymous No.7416605]

What's the best addon board if I'll primarily do digital, but might want to connect to a CRT at some point?

[Anonymous No.7416629]

>>7416534

Enjoy your worm.

[Anonymous No.7416647]

>>7416605
SDRAM + vga dongle + heat sink https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video

>>7416156
There is a buffered mode for sync problems, but I don't recommend it because it adds 1-2 frames of lag. In some core its necessary because the refresh rate is way too off for modern displays. Probably a free sync display might handle the odd frequencies.

[Anonymous No.7416684]

>>7416230
Don't encourage /vr/ to solder something or rare hardware will get harmed in the process and end up like this poor pi.

[Anonymous No.7416710]

>>7416534
They're in denial. The MiSTer is obviously an emulation machine. Which is why I don't bother with it since my PC already does emulation.

[Anonymous No.7416749]

>>7416710
Whaaaaaat you mean my raspberry pi is as good as the MiSTer?! Thanks god I didn't check out what the differences are because I have no fucking clue about technology.

[Anonymous No.7416750]

>the emutard samefags through tears of rage

[Anonymous No.7417181]

>>7416749
>d as the MiSTer?! Thanks god I didn't check out what the differences are because I have no fucking clue about technology.

>Throwing away $400 for a marginally different emulator than the one on your pc

[Anonymous No.7417262]

>MiSTer shills are in panic mode, trying to defend their shitty meme device that they're trying to sell to fools on this board

[Anonymous No.7417281]

Mister is cool, I like that in theory it could get exceptionally close to actual hardware

That said all the tribalism over hardware is /p/ levels of gearfaggotry

Play old games however you want, the fact we have options is great

[Anonymous No.7418101]

>>7417181
>>7417262

>Why get an consol when I can play in a emulator
>Why get an arcade stick/controller when I can play on my keyboard
>Why get a propper PC when I can emulate on a pi
>Why pay for a cinema when I can watch the plastic bag flying in the wind
>Why get a GF when i can fuck my hand
>Why get some propper work when i can life a life unemployed
>...

Cope harder poorfag and enjoy your worm.

[Anonymous No.7418110]

>>7417181
>>7417262

>Why get an consol when I can play in a emulator
>Why get an arcade stick/controller when I can play on my keyboard
>Why get a propper PC when I can emulate on a pi
>Why pay for a cinema when I can watch the plastic bag flying in the wind
>Why get a GF when i can fuck my hand
>Why get some propper work when i can life a live unemployed
>...

Cope harder poorfag and enjoy your worm.

[Anonymous No.7418115]

>>7417181
>>7417262

>Why get an consol when I can play on a emulator
>Why get an arcade stick/controller when I can play on my keyboard
>Why get a propper PC when I can emulate on a pi
>Why pay for a cinema when I can watch the plastic bag flying in the wind
>Why get a GF when i can fuck my hand
>Why get some propper work when i can life a live unemployed
>...

Cope harder poorfag and enjoy your worm.

[Anonymous No.7418119]

>>7418110
I have a $4000 computer, I can play anything I want. I buy a mister the day a decent n64 core is made, in the meantime, I could care less for another 8-16 bit overpiced garbage box

[Anonymous No.7418146]

>>7418119
>I have a $4000 computer, I can play anything I want.

>Gee MiSTer, you should definitely don't waste your money on the proper tool for simulating/emulating IC's and shit but instead invest in a 4000$ Gayming PC for even more accurate emulation than even the original console can do.

>I mean u can run Fortnite and your emulators!

>Stupid Faggotry Pedophilia Gayest Activation user.

>Did I mention my 4000$ Computer can play Fortnite?

[Anonymous No.7418826]

>>7418119
Imagine having to lie like this just because you can't afford a DE-10.

[Anonymous No.7418827]

>>7418115
Dumb ESL

[Anonymous No.7418847]

>>7399231

> built on the backs of the real contributors in this community

what "community"? mentally ill tranny devs ? furries? the same kind of 'people' as the ones that would go on GDQ? yeah fuck those pathetic losers.

[Anonymous No.7418850]

>>7418847
what do you contribute?

[Anonymous No.7418864]

>>7418850

there is no "community", and there is nothing to "contribute" to.

[Anonymous No.7418924]

>>7418827
Yes

[Anonymous No.7419206]

>>7418115
>Thinks PC's are for poorfags
You've never built your own PC, have you? LOL It's okay poorcuck, you'll never understand what it's like to become PC Master Race.

[Anonymous No.7419229]

>>7419206
t.can't afford a MiSTer

[Anonymous No.7419232]

>>7418115
>Why get an consol when I can play on a emulator

???? The mister is by definition an emulation device.

[Anonymous No.7419375]

>>7399043
> ZSNES was a meme.
holy fuck no it wasn't. ZSNES was a miracle.

[Anonymous No.7419380]

>>7419229
My PC cost way more than your shitty emu box. LOL

[Anonymous No.7419384]

>>7398170
Doesn't matter. You're just going to load up Magic Quest starring Mickey Mouse and play it for 7 minutes again before you get bored.

[Anonymous No.7419523]

>>7419206
> pc masta wace
Go back to R*ddit

[Anonymous No.7419551]

>>7419380
So you say, but what we actually know for a fact is you are too poor to afford a MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.7419630]

>>7419206
Ok Joshua, thanks for your great invention.

[Anonymous No.7419657]

>>7414792
Some anon will go on the world tour to Taiwan, Japan, Ukraine, France and Spain with the goal of murdering the most prolific MiSTer core developers.

[Anonymous No.7419732]

>>7419523
>getting triggered by the PC Master Race
kek

>>7419551
Oh wow, the MiSTer cost $450. My 4KTV cost $800. My custom built PC cost $1550. Keep trying, MiSTer shill.

>>7419630
His PC looks very low-end compared to mine.

[Anonymous No.7419765]

>>7419732
The cpu in my workstation cost more than your entire rig, to say nothing of the gpus. You sound really poor 'bragging' about such a cheap pc.

[Anonymous No.7419789]

>>7419765
Anything over $1000 isn't cheap. Anything below that is cheap.

[Anonymous No.7419790]

>>7419732
Imagine being crushed by this zoomer with the:
>>7418119
>$4000 computer

Looks like you failed hard.

[Anonymous No.7419802]

>>7419789
You need to cope harder

[Anonymous No.7419803]

>>7419790
>$4000
Is exaggeration.

[Anonymous No.7419812]

>>7419789
Bro stop it, I drop a grand on a single stick of ram. I wouldn't use your poorfag gaymen pc for browsing, nevermind playing games.

[Anonymous No.7419815]

>>7419803
So you admit that you are a dirty liar?
Man that's poor dude.
One reason more to cope.

[Anonymous No.7419841]

The larping in this thread is intensifying.

[Anonymous No.7419871]

>>7416301
I do actually enjoy that, thanks.

[Anonymous No.7420121]

>>7419812
>>7419815
>exaggerating and lying
>accuses others of being poor and a liar
t.Leftist Poorcuck

[Anonymous No.7420228]

>>7420121
Five posts more and this guy is going to have a mental breakdown because of an FPGA dev board being discussed on an image board.

Kek

[Anonymous No.7420250]

since this thread exists, how can i make my own .xml file so neo geo games actually work? i have mame roms like a normal person instead of that autist rom pack

[Anonymous No.7420295]

>>7420228
He does this in every MiSTer thread, always brings up his bargain basement pc.

[Anonymous No.7420409]

>>7420250
I might be wrong, but I have heard that the neogeo core uses decrypted rom's.

I'll guess you can copy and paste the XML entries from the github repo.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

[Anonymous No.7420460]

>>7406421
does mister have dynamic rate control?

[Anonymous No.7420462]

>>7416156
>On SNES and NES there's some judder every now and then but I don't care too much about that.
if only there were an emulator frontend that could fix that....

[Anonymous No.7420521]

>>7420460
Retro games are highly synchronous. Their audio output rates are linked directly to video refresh rates. Every video frame, the audio chip generates on average a fixed amount of audio samples. Before continuing to emulate the next frame, the generated audio samples must be pushed to an audio buffer of fixed size.

If there is not enough space in the audio buffer, the emulator must wait (block) for the buffer to become ready for writing. This is a non-ideal situation as while the emulator is blocking on audio, a vertical refresh might be missed entirely, thus creating stuttering video.

https://docs.libretro.com/development/cores/dynamic-rate-control/

> If there is not enough space in the audio buffer, the emulator must wait ...

You don't need "dynamic rate control" if there is nothing to control.
This technique is needed because of the serial computing nature of a general purpose PC.
Because nearly everything is buffer and the lack of real-time capability these techniques are necessary to get a somehow accurate result.

As far as I know the only thing that is buffered on the MiSTer is the USB Port but with a poll rate of 1ms that's like getting the inputs ~16 times per frame.
And if u want to go fully autistic you can use a snac adapter and let the core poll the data from the controller whenever the core needs it.

TL;DR there is no need for "dynamic rate control" on the MiSTer

[Anonymous No.7420548]

>>7420462
Yes it's called a framebuffer, and it adds like 1-2 frames of lag.
That's the reason why you might miss some jumps that were no problem in your childhood.
Don't forget to add the input lag of your display.

[Anonymous No.7420592]

>>7398170

Mister doesn't have and never will have shaders.

Therefore it's garbage. Throw it in the trash.

Also, it will never do anything beyond 5th gen emulation. N64 will never happen, Saturn will be dogshit, PS1 will be dogshit, etc. And nobody wants 'accurate' emulation for those systems, they all want enhancements.

Cope.

[Anonymous No.7420598]

>>7406421

> Superior experience

> Dogshit 4th gen emulation that is less accurate than any emulator
> Mister cores that are based on emulators instead of hardware
> No shaders
> No runahead
> No decent GUI

Muh meme. Much salt, much laughs.

[Anonymous No.7420641]

>>7399096
>Latency issues have been solved in most modern 8 & 16bit emulators though

Keep telling yourself that emufag

[Anonymous No.7420649]

are you mister sois so obsessed woth retroarch because retroarch is coming to mister?

are you afraid of the booger?

[Anonymous No.7420656]

>>7398170
This case costs $90 shipped from Taobao. It's got a custom IO / USB hub board which means it's HALF the size of other boards. Uses Sega Saturn RGB cable for analog out instead of VGA cable.

[Anonymous No.7420659]

>>7420656
4 USB ports + 1 User port

[Anonymous No.7420667]

>>7420659

[Anonymous No.7420683]

>>7420592
>>7420598

You are two post away from your mental breakdown.


Besides more than half of what you say is pure bullshit the most shocking thing is that you mentioned shaders twice.
Shaders are truly some zoomer tier bullshit.

I bet you couldn't even reach them, could you?

i'll eat my grapes after i'm done with both my apple AND shaders ehhh i mean banana.

[Anonymous No.7420687]

>>7420656
ePiC gAmEr LiGhTs

[Anonymous No.7420697]

>>7420649
Retroarch on the MiSTer is one of the biggest memes this year.
But why not emufags can then completely lose their minds even if its nonsense with the 800MHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor.

[Anonymous No.7420729]

>>7420656
>>7420659
>>7420667
Hey chink seller ... we both know that's not $90 worth.

>shipped ... to china?

Pro tip: don't take a pic in front of your Chinese keyboard.

Now that's what i call a shill.

[Anonymous No.7420753]

>>7420656
>>7420667

Kinda funny how on one pic there are three switches and on the other one there are four...

Pro Pro tip: If you really want sell something outside of China sell it on AliExpress and release the design files.

But pls stop this obvious shilling.

[Anonymous No.7420791]

I don't get it bros. Why does he hate fpga so much.

[Anonymous No.7420803]

>>7420791
He's poor.

[Anonymous No.7420815]

>>7420803
But I'm poor and I still think fpga is neato burrito.

[Anonymous No.7420820]

>>7420791
He needs to justify his $4000 PC.

[Anonymous No.7420857]

>>7420729
Did you even contemplate that I took these images off Taobao?

[Anonymous No.7420861]

>>7420753
One pic was from a design proto.

[Anonymous No.7420864]

>>7420687
Nah that's just the lights from the DE-10 Nano.

[Anonymous No.7420878]

>>7420857
Yes but I couldn't believe someone paid $90 for a costume usb-hub with some analog circuitry around it.

[Anonymous No.7420890]

>>7420878
All MiSTer cases are overpriced because it's a niche product. Raspberry Pi cases are better quality and far cheaper.

[Anonymous No.7420918]

>>7420890
Any tips for buying from Taobao? I'll guess PayPal is not an option there and is there a secret English version of Taobao?

[Anonymous No.7420948]

>>7420815
You know you are a poor though, he's just an temporarily embarrassed millionaire who spent his last 4 grand on a Fortnite machine that has glowing fans and terrible air flow.

[Anonymous No.7421159]

>>7420918
Ni Hao.

Learn Chinese mofo.

[Anonymous No.7421579]

>>7420649
>>7420697
Don't care much for retroarch itself, but it would be great if retroachievements was made to work with mister cores. It would be even better if Mister cores could be made to work with EmuVR.

[Anonymous No.7421594]

>>7420791
At this point I think its just some autist who wants to argue in circles.

[Anonymous No.7424470]

>>7398954
Enjoy your worm.

[Anonymous No.7424490]

>>7398170
even if a software emulator is "cycle accurate" it will never be real-time since no is running a real-time operating system, they're all multitasking with a large stack of underlying dependencies for the emulator to run on top of.

FPGA can in theory be deterministic and real-time accurate.

[Anonymous No.7424539]

Right - I have been programming high end Virtex Ultrascale FPGAs for the aerospace industry for about 5 years now, the best things FPGA can offer are fantastic parallel computing power.

There is literally 0 reason a very very old and slow single threaded processor needs to be implemented in an FPGA. This is Emulation snake oil. Software can perfectly emulate old hardware at this point

[Anonymous No.7424569]

Emulators and fpga have made snes consoles obsolete, yet they still can't get genesis sound right.

[Anonymous No.7424575]

>>7424539
Found at least one reason.

https://docs.libretro.com/development/cores/dynamic-rate-control/

>I have been programming high end Virtex Ultrascale FPGAs for the aerospace industry for about 5 years now

Nice larping btw

[Anonymous No.7424597]

>>7424569
The kevtris MegaSG Genesis core sounds perfect

[Anonymous No.7424708]

>>7424539
Oh sry, i made a mistake.
>There is literally 0 reason a very very old and slow single threaded processor needs to be implemented in an FPGA.

I totally agree with this but don't forget that it's not only the CPU that needs to be emulated.

But as an EE you should know that the OS and the architecture of a PC is not that well suited for that task.

And don't forget that not all arcade boards output LCD friendly 60hz.

Software emulation is and always will be a big bag oft compromises to suite the environment it runs in.

[Anonymous No.7424808]

I've been having fun with my MiSTer setup as a premium way to experience games from my youth. Got a freesync monitor w/ low latency and a mount that lets me switch between tate and normal mode effortlessly. It's been fun tinkering with it at an introductory level, and as new cores come out things are only going to get better. All I do on my PS4 lately is watch youtube.

[Anonymous No.7424927]

>>7424708
EE used to be full of incredibly smart people but that's all turned on its head over the past few decades. Ideally smart people would come into EE and solve problems. The reality, especially nowadays, is it just doesn't work like that. A very small number of people solve problems and the rest are just cogs in the machine, workers on an assembly line. It doesn't work like it's supposed to, like all those highschool math teachers said it would, at all. It's like how hacking used to be seen as a glorious skill, and maybe once was, but now it's just dumb and lame. Not saying EE is dumb, I'm saying it's a long way from being full of smart people. Indians coming along was the final nail in the coffin for any right-minded person who has good awareness of the world to go into it.

[Anonymous No.7425893]

>>7424597
MD Fourier project says otherwise.

[Anonymous No.7426698]

>>7424539
>I have been programming high end Virtex Ultrascale FPGAs

No you haven't.

>Software can perfectly emulate old hardware at this point

No it can't. Stop larping, poorfag.

[Anonymous No.7426893]

>>7398878
kek. bullseye