/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7392431]

Uh...CRTbros, just what did they mean by "extended periods of time?" Or are retro games slowly killing your TV?

[Anonymous No.7392450]

you know, in all the millions of CRT TVs I've seen in my time I don't remember ever seeing one with screen burn. Computer monitors are another story.

[Anonymous No.7392460]

ive only ever seen burn in on arcade monitors. just dont pause your game and leave it on that way for 5 months and you should be gold

[Anonymous No.7392467]

>>7392431
Phosphor burn-in from the same static images 90% of their life will do that.

[Anonymous No.7392471]

>>7392431
The graphics chips in retro game consoles often overload your CRT tube. Over time this will damage your tube. A damaged tube will leak radioactive components into the air in your room. Breathe those in on a daily basis and you are finished. Dont be a faggot. Buy an OLED tv instead.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent

[Anonymous No.7392473]

I hear tell that back when they had the first home Pong machines in the 70s, you were warned to not use them on a black-and-white TV because it could cause screen burn.

[Anonymous No.7392478]

>>7392471
>A damaged tube will leak radioactive components into the air in your room.

[Anonymous No.7392485]

>>7392431
yes, burn-in is a thing. That's the whole reason why old PC monitors had screen savers in the first place.
Generally it's not something a normal pleb has to worry about. It's more an issue with monitors that have the exact same static images on something that's kept on 24/7. Like arcade monitors with the pacman maze burned in, or CCTV monitors with numbers burned in.
Unless you're doing something like playing mario bros and keeping the game paused on 1-1 with the TV kept on for weeks on end, it's really not something you need to worry about.

[Anonymous No.7392490]

>>7392471
the OLED Jew wrote this

[Anonymous No.7392495]

>>7392485
I used to have a Dell PC monitor just like this one, but with built-in speakers. It was just used for normal home PC use. It got the Windows 98 task bar burned into it.

[Anonymous No.7392514]

>>7392460
I'm impressed with how many Ms. Pac-Man machines I've seen with horrible burn but the CRT was still putting out a good bright picture and hadn't dimmed. Dunno what supplier they got their tubes from, but I'm impressed.

[Anonymous No.7392525]

>>7392431

[Anonymous No.7392535]

>>7392471
>Dont be a faggot. Buy an OLED tv
who the bigger faggot: the pussy worried about invisible radiation spooks or the man's man who laughs in the face of death?

[Anonymous No.7392537]

>>7392495
Yeah, it's definitely more of a problem with PC monitors rather than the TVs people used to play games and watch television. Games have static UIs, but each game has a different static UI. With a computer, your windows taskbar is probably always going to be there no matter what you're doing, and so it gets burned in.

Unironically still better than the shit with OLED in modern times though, kek

[Anonymous No.7392539]

>>7392525
Seen lots of Ms. Pac-Man machines with horrible burn but still putting out a nice bright picture and it hadn't dimmed or anything. Dunno what manufacturer they got the CRTs from (I know Nintendo used to use Ikegami ones).

[Anonymous No.7392549]

>>7392537
>>7392495
I think in a lot of cases it's from running the brightness/contrast too high. if you don't run it at 90% burn-in is not as likely.

[Anonymous No.7392561]

>>7392450
My dad had the pause to Zelda 1 burned into our downstairs TV because he didn't know you could save the game

[Anonymous No.7392567]

I have an IBM 5151 monitor in my collection of stuffs. Mine has no burn which is very lucky because they have burn quite frequently as monochrome tubes with long persistence phosphor.

[Anonymous No.7392573]

>>7392431
In Toronto every fucking public TV is tuned to CP24 pretty much all day every day. So I've gotten my hands on about a half dozen CRT's that had that fucking channel's overlays burnt in.

So yes it can be an issue but not under regular use cases that most gamers would cause. I bet if you were autistically speedrunning the same game all day you could burn in HUD elements eventually though.

[Anonymous No.7392585]

>>7392549
Yeah, that's true as well. Always important to properly calibrate white/black levels with a test pattern. Cranking the brightness up both washes out the image as well as makes it more likely to burn out quicker.

[Anonymous No.7392590]

>>7392573
>HUD
Housing and Urban Development?

[Anonymous No.7392613]

>>7392590
Heads up display. Is that not the common name?

[Anonymous No.7392649]

>>7392431
>work for Boeing Space Center
>See a bunch of surplus CRTs
>moving from random top secret departments
>look up model # online
>each model sells for $600 online
FUCK
Temptation is real.

[Anonymous No.7392701]

Unless you're buying a tv used from a speedrunner that played the exact same game for 8000 hours, you're more likely to find a tv with burn in from a tv channel logo than you are from finding a tv with some game's ui burned in.

[Anonymous No.7392805]

>>7392431
That depends entirely on who "they" are. As a zoomie you should know that words mean whatever you say they do.

[Anonymous No.7392879]

>>7392535
I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE FAGGOT.

[Anonymous No.7392992]

>>7392450
I recently recovered my childhood Trinitron from my mom's house and Video 2 is very slightly burned into the upper left.
Personally I've seen more cheap CRT sets with image retention/ghosting issues as a result of dying phosphors than burn in has been a problem.

[Anonymous No.7393018]

I used to have an ADI 14" like this one. It was used for a decade before it developed a shorted flyback capacitor and was retired but it had no screen burn and the tube was still nice and bright with no signs of dimming. For a humble Taiwanese monitor, not bad at all. I've had other monitors including a big 20" Cornerstone that didn't hold up as well as this one did.

[Anonymous No.7393058]

>>7392431
Burn-in is a real thing, but for it to happen the screen has to be left on the same image for months.
Ive seen it on TV's, its not common but it does happen.

[Anonymous No.7393071]

>>7393058
I think it's more common on computer monitors just because they're displaying static images most of the time. I never forget this time many years ago that a local Goodwill had a PCjr monitor with some spreadsheet or something burned into it. That was probably the worst case of a burned computer monitor I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.7393108]

>>7393071
Yeah computer monitors its common place.
On TV's its mostly older sets that suffered. Most made in the late 80s should be fine

[Anonymous No.7393113]

Burn-in is not going to happen to the average person. This is much ado about nothing. This was more of an issue for ancient PCs (and literally why screen savers exist) and Arcade cabinets.

[Anonymous No.7393219]

>>7392450
>has never seen a CRT used for sports channels or CNN/news channels with tickers
You can always tell the CRT was used for a bar when there is a thin burn-in line on the bottom of the screen. Or the ESPN/CNN logo burnt into the corner of the screen.

>>7392561
Did he also not know you could turn your TV off?

[Anonymous No.7393246]

>>7393219
There was a stigmata with tech back then,
People leaving the TV on to record a something thinking that if the TV was off it would just record nothing.

[Anonymous No.7393252]

>>7393246
>never testing it
Boomers, I tell you.

[Anonymous No.7393260]

>>7392567
A lot of these were used in office environments so you'll see the outline of Lotus 123 burned into them.

[Anonymous No.7393270]

>>7393246
>have a VCR
>if my TV is off, the VCR won't record!
I hate to inform you, but your dad was retarded. One of the selling points of fucking VCR's in the first place was to record when the TV is on another channel or off altogether. I still remember seeing the marketing spiel in some manual for a VCR talking about "Record your favorite show while watching another! No more staying up late to finish must-watch TV, leave the VCR on and let it record while you sleep!"

[Anonymous No.7393324]

>>7393270
He couldn't even set the clock on it.
The one we had back then had the remote on a cable.

It was the same level of thinking as recording things off the radio

[Anonymous No.7393352]

>>7392431
burn in with CRT is as common as OLED, it always has been, anyone who told you otherwise is lying

[Anonymous No.7393356]

>>7393352
whoops didn't see someone post this already, here's another

[Anonymous No.7393361]

>>7393356
>>7393352
How to fix this?

>cut front face off tube
>scrape out bad phosphor
>apply new coating
>reseal tube in oven

At least for monochrome tubes anyway. They used to do it in the 50s-60s.

[Anonymous No.7393367]

>>7393361
>How to fix this?
you don't

[Anonymous No.7393374]

>>7393367
I know...those are color tubes. Doesn't work so good when there isn't a continuous sheet of phosphor with no shadow mask.

[Anonymous No.7393378]

>>7393374
honestly if anything, just make sure you don't have it too bright and turn it off when you pause it for long periods, just basic shit

[Anonymous No.7393390]

there used to be one outfit in France (?) that rebuilt color CRTs, specifically for $10k broadcast monitors because with their cost you want to get like 15-20 years of use out of them. it wasn't easy because they had to use a machine to squirt new phosphor dots on the face of the tube and apply a new shadow mask. not something you can do in your garage like with monochrome tubes.

of course monochrome tubes are more likely to get urned anyway since the phosphor is exposed to the full energy of the electron gun while on color tubes the shadow mask at least provides some protection.

[Anonymous No.7393403]

When I was a kid I was crazy anal about turning monitors off when I went out of the room because I read in a book somewhere to do that so they don't get burned. I still habitutally turn off LCD monitors even though there's no risk of that with them.

[Anonymous No.7393472]

Has anyone had issues with real rapid burn in? Does it just happen with older tubes?
One of mine managed to get some minor burn from one playthrough of Persona 3, down the left where there's often a blue stripe. Never seen burn happen without many years before, and most of my home TV's were thrown out long before the tubes had any issues.
Only time I've ever seen quick burn was a shitty plasma back in mid to late 2000s, kill counter from Deadrising. Cleared by running other TV for similar time (few hours)

[Anonymous No.7393504]

>>7393472
we used to have a Proscan 27" purchased in 1994 and retired 2009. that thing was used an unbelievable amount. the tube began to go south only in the last year and a half, not long after the digital TV switch and i joked that it purposely decided to pack its bags and retire when that happened.

what a run that thing had. most people don't keep a TV that long. she deserved a burial with full military honors.

[Anonymous No.7393507]

>>7392471
>A damaged tube will leak radioactive components into the air in your room
thank you jesus

[Anonymous No.7393636]

>>7392879
COPE FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.7393667]

>>7393246
I didn't think about that when I was making up the story

[Anonymous No.7393678]

>>7393636
EAT PENIS M8

[Anonymous No.7393695]

I think turning down the contrast a little will be easier on the tube

[Anonymous No.7393794]

>>7393472
Certain colours burn in faster

[Anonymous No.7393880]

So is screen burn a myth?

[Anonymous No.7393898]

>>7393695
This is true, but it really does take an extremely healthy amount of hours to kill a tube. Every day use over a decade or two, or hours about adding up to about that, is a sure way to get yourself there. My wife's grandma had an early 90s set that she would sit in front of 12+ hours a day watching game shows on in her late life. All day every day. To this day it's the only time I witnessed a tube die. It just got dimmer and dimmer before she decided to put it out to pasture, and this was about 2016. I actually ended up giving her an old Magnavox set I had to replace it.
The lower contrast trick will definitely extend the life of the tube itself but I don't recommend cranking it uncomfortably low just for that reason. It takes a lot of time to kill these things usually. It should be set where it's supposed to be but there's no need to have it brighter or dimmer than that unless you're really paranoid about it dying or unless you know it has a ton of hours. I recommend using a contrast test pattern to set it because there is a definitive place that contrast should live, same as brightness. But it is something that needs set because pretty much every set I've seen has it absolutely dimed.

[Anonymous No.7393903]

>>7393898
lol cope faggot. Just playing any retro game with a HUD for less than a hour will leave said HUD permanently imprinted on your screen. seethe because you overpaid for an outdated television. kill yourself chud

[Anonymous No.7393906]

>>7393903
What are you on about retard?
I didn't pay for shit I'm still using the CRT I had when I was a kid

[Anonymous No.7393913]

>>7393906
Nice larp.
>when I was a kid
you're still underaged so lmao

[Anonymous No.7393920]

>>7393903
holy fuck please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.7394052]

>>7393903
>zoomie coper copes by telling others to cope
zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.7394101]

>>7393880
no
>>7393903
>less than a hour
you're a moron

[Anonymous No.7394117]

>>7392431
Is the input lag meme even real? It doesn't seem worth it to deal with this kind of shit for like what factors in milliseconds.

[Anonymous No.7394175]

>>7394117
Only if you are a speedrun tranny, but if you are interested more in the look of the games and lightgun games the input lag is a plus.

[Anonymous No.7394907]

>>7393898
A lot of TVs have a factory default 90% brightness/contrast because it would good on store displays and a lot of stupid people never bothered adjusting this so they'd significantly shorten the lifespan of the tube.

[Anonymous No.7395045]

>>7393880
So is screen burn a myth?
>>7392525
No but it only happens if you leave the CRT on the same screen for hours a day, every day, for years

[Anonymous No.7395096]

>>7392471
Dont forget that the materials in the tube slowly break down over time, which will cause the tube to be unable to contain the vacuum inside resulting in a spontaneous tube implosion sending lead covered glass all over your room. The clock is ticking collectorfags

[Anonymous No.7395119]

>>7392567
you know these cannot be accurately photographed as the phosphor is a color outside the RGB spectrum

[Anonymous No.7395136]

>>7392471
>A damaged tube will leak radioactive components into the air in your room.

[Anonymous No.7396664]

>>7392649
It's funny that they waited a while to move from CRT to flatscreen in TopSecret depts considering you can use a special radio to decode what the screen image is if it is unproperly shielded.

[Anonymous No.7396676]

>>7393390
Do you have pic of machine? This is the part of the process of Color CRTs that I can't find a video about anywhere.

[Anonymous No.7397772]

>>7393324
>record the radio to a tape
>tape recorder has no tuner for itself, so it just records the signal from the main tuner, and thus must be on to record
>clearly video tape *must* work the same way
I could actually see that logic. They were still fucking retarded though.

[Anonymous No.7397776]

>>7392431
>Not knowing about burn in.
Zoom zoom.

[Anonymous No.7397789]

>>7393374
shadow masks (or anything on the front of the screen really) are fucking retarded and there's got to be a easier way to get color from one tube.

[Anonymous No.7397973]

>>7397789
If we had today's technology such issues probably could be solved, but since every major manufacturer no longer make CRTs we may never know.
That being said, I wonder if we will ever see new companies come out making new CRT tubes within our lifetime.

[Anonymous No.7398001]

>>7395096
what a horrible way to go, being pierced by shards of broken glass while playing pokemon adventure

[Anonymous No.7398015]

>>7396676
You can answer your question simply by looking at the process described and terminology used. If you'd managed to find a video on how color CRTs were made you'd realize he's either "remembering" something very poorly or just making it all up.
I know two companies who do phosphor refreshing and I'm sure there are more. AFAIK they don't do this on screens with shadow masks or aperture grills. There's no reason they couldn't, especially if they designed the bulbs to be easy to maintain. But it wouldn't be done by "squirting" phosphors and "applying" a shadow mask. Find those videos and you'll quickly see how anon is a dunning kruger larper.
And remember. Knowing how to google is actually a legit skill these days. You can actually get a job sitting at home googling shit that pays much better than flipping burgers. It's also a valuable life skill that can prevent you from becoming a dunning kruger larper as you can simply look up how something is done instead of imagining how it might work based on your limited knowledge and experience.

[Anonymous No.7399974]

>>7392471
>A damaged tube will leak radioactive components into the air in your room.

[Anonymous No.7400330]

>>7394117
Fixed latency can be adapted to, the problem is variations in latency that come with internal analogue to digital processing in a TV. Most TVs are built to be used only with their newest features. If you want the convenience of a flat screen with the other benefits of a CRT, consider looking for a plasma TV as they still had native analogue signal support.

[Anonymous No.7400482]

>>7392613
It is. I don't know if that guy actually doesn't know what HUD is or what.

[Anonymous No.7400487]

>>7392649
sell one to me anon, NOT a joke, I NEED GLOWIE TV!!!

[Anonymous No.7400497]

>>7392431
Yes, CRT screens burn out eventually. How /new/ are you?
Use a screensaver!
https://youtu.be/ANnYbX54oU4

[Anonymous No.7401029]

>>7392471
>le mustard gas meme

[Anonymous No.7401996]

>>7395096
i don't "collect" pieces of shit i pick up on the side of the road. I'll just pickup another one.

[Anonymous No.7402157]

>>7400487
>paying money for imaginary shit

[Anonymous No.7402272]

>>7392431
that warning was why my mom only let me play video games on our old broken CRT through my entire childhood...

[Anonymous No.7402279]

>>7393361
you know they have to be a vacuum inside, right? and good luck obtaining and applying an even coat of phosphor pigments and avoiding getting any contaminants stuck to it

[Anonymous No.7402414]

>>7402279
Not in any way defending any of the bullshitters and larpers ITT but you really picked the simplest obstacles to overcome while missing some obvious retardation.
Creating a vacuum isn't nearly as hard as you imagine. This can be, and is done by hobbyists on a regular basis.
You can get an even phosphor coating by mixing the phosphor with liquid, pouring it into the bulb, letting it settle, pouring off the liquid, and letting it dry. That's literally how it was done for old TVs.
Contamination isn't a real issue. Original production was done with "clean room" standards slightly better than "you have to go outside to smoke". People paint shit in their garage with higher standards.
Meanwhile you missed some serious retardation in the post you replied to >>7393361 In fact it's so retarded it's clear he was only pretending to be retarded. Even the zoomiest of zoom zooms couldn't come up with that level of stupid. Right?

[Anonymous No.7402419]

>>7402414
>Creating a vacuum isn't nearly as hard as you imagine

your faucet vacuum ain't going to cut it, kiddo

[Anonymous No.7402424]

>>7392471
This is the real holocaust, gassing yourself with CRT TVs.

[Anonymous No.7403172]

>>7402419
>i'm a kiddo who knows nothing about CRTs
Obviously. And since you're talking about a "faucet vacuum" I'm guessing you're studying to be a plumber just like your hero Mario?
You can seethe and cope all you want kiddo, but the simple fact is that restoring a vacuum in a bulb was a common repair when they were expensive and is still done today where it's cost effective.