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7345535 No.7345535 [Reply] [Original]

Why did Tobal 2 fail?

>big budget Squaresoft game
>best-looking graphics on PS1 at 60 FPS
>original fighting mechanics
>great quest mode
>200 playable characters lol
>they're also customizable
>Akira Toriyama design
>sold only 318,000 copies

>> No.7345545
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7345545

>>7345535
I'm not even that anon that shits on Toriyama's designs every chance there is in /vr/, but I do think those didn't work that well this time. People liked the more "serious" approach of your Tekken or Virtua Fighter better for this sort of game.

>> No.7345668

>>7345535
>"only" 318,000 copies
Not only is that good for a relatively obscure fighter, it's Japan-only numbers
The real problem was Square not wanting to make a sequel or more fighting games in general

>> No.7345685

>>7345668

Yeah, its news to me that it failed, both games were pretty popular afaik. You can't expect Tekken numbers from a game that had no arcade release. The first game sold more only because a demo came with FFVII.

>> No.7345714

>>7345535
>>big budget Squaresoft game
>>PS1
>>200 playable characters
>>Akira Toriyama design
I will now emulate your game

>> No.7345717

>>7345714
Oh yea
>>great quest mode
too. I am big on that in fighters.

>> No.7345768

>>7345545
Nork was a shameless Ganon ripoff.

>> No.7345934

Tobal has way too many just-frames in it. They're not even for strong moves like Akira's knee or EWGF just shit like basic strings.

>> No.7345978

>>7345668
But I believe it was not released in the West because Square thought the sales numbers in Japan were disappointing.

>>7345714
You have to "earn" the 200 characters in quest mode. If there's a ROM with a translation in English, you'll get hours of fun desu.

>> No.7346602

>>7345535
>big budget Squaresoft game
Wasn't a square game, it was made by Dreamfactory

>best-looking graphics on PS1 at 60 FPS
Not even close

>original fighting mechanics
no it wasn't it was a janky VF knock off and a rehash of dreamfactorys other games

>great quest mode
People dont buy fighting games for side mini games

>200 playable characters lol
almost all of these are just clones with reused moves and people dont buy fighting games for bloated rosters

>Akira Toriyama design
Yeah it looks awful

>sold only 318,000 copies
it was a niche fighting game with a limited release and a sequel to a game that had an even more limited release, it had no brand power in a era where brand power was everything.

>> No.7346609

>>7345668
Wasn't a Square game and they made several follow ups including Ehrgeiz and Kakuto Chojin

>> No.7346616

>>7346602
Graphics are among the best on PS1. The quest mode is not a mini game. Even with tons of clones among the characters, the roster is still impressive. Etc.

>> No.7346620

>>7346616
>Graphics are among the best on PS1
No

>> No.7346625

>>7346616
>The quest mode is not a mini game.
That's exactly what it is, if i buy a fighting game i want a fighting game not some shitty tacked on dungeon crawler/rpg thing.

>> No.7346705
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7346705

>>7346620
Show me better-looking games.

>>7346625
Damn, u got ur ass whipped by a brown ferret in quest mode lol

>> No.7346756

>>7345714
forgot
>you can be a Chocobo