/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7333437]

what was this all about?

[Anonymous No.7333452]

probably a throwback to Dark Link from Zelda 2
what are you asking? why it's in the water temple instead of another temple? why the room changes when you beat him?

[Anonymous No.7333461]

>>7333437
It was about beating your inner nigger in order to reach your true potential.

[Anonymous No.7333496]

OoT takes a lot of inspiration from Zelda II

[Anonymous No.7333508]

inspired by star wars where luke fights his jungian shadow or something like that, is not inspired by Zelda II, both times it was inspired by Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.7333557]

Link's reflection disappears before Dark Link appears. Water is reflective. Water temple. Makes sense to place it there.

I always thought of the Zelda 2 fight as being a fight against your own shadow. Like Peter Pan. Peter pan is the source of a lot of Link's inspiration.

[Anonymous No.7333570]

Was anyone else supremely disappointed by the shadow link fight in Zelda 64? It should have been a real swordsman duel instead of "spam hammer to win".

[Anonymous No.7333594]

>>7333570
I actually think its pretty cool for what it is/for the time. The way he'll jump on your sword and mock you, its pretty cinematic and forward thinking for such an early action/adventure game. Also the way dark links starts acting on his own more instead of just mirroring link the longer the fight lasts (if I remember he also starts to solidify when this happens). Its just really cool thematically

It is a shame it can be cheesed, but still

[Anonymous No.7333626]

>>7333437
Shiek literally tells you to "reflect upon yourself" when teaching you the Serenade of Water.

[Anonymous No.7333640]

>>7333626
Yes, its a jungian meme which was very common in literature and pop culture way before Zelda was a thing. Joseph Campbell , hero´s journey, man and his symbols and all that, is was very prominent in fantasy stuff from the 80s and 90s. Very big with screenplay writers.

[Anonymous No.7333673]

>>7333594
>lunge attack on dark link
>he jumps and stands over your sword
>does a backflip
Dark Link was pretty sick ngl

[Anonymous No.7333689]

>>7333452
According to Zelda wiki autism, Dark Link, Shadow Link and Link's Shadow (the one in AoL) are entirely different entities.

[Anonymous No.7333691]

>>7333640

This

[Anonymous No.7333703]

>>7333640
what if link is just a closet homo and has to fight his inner faggot

[Anonymous No.7333704]

>>7333461
Yeah, it's like an incel-friendly alternative to getting laid

[Anonymous No.7333713]

>>7333703
Is there anything YOU want to tell us anon?

[Anonymous No.7333886]

>>7333508
>zeldas version of luuuke skywalker
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Luuuke_Skywalker

[Anonymous No.7334068]

Everyone says you can just use Din's Fire for this fight, but for some reason this never worked for me? I liked to use the hammer and hookshot during this part just because it feels fun to use your full arsenal. IMO, this is the best fight in the game. Ganon is more cinematic but that fight was ultimately a lot more simple and easy. This one is the best from this game.

[Anonymous No.7334098]

>>7333886
no, in the original trilogy Luke goes into a tree or something as part of his jedi training and kills darth vader only to discover its actually himself, his own shadow he killed. Its not some obscure reference to a clone in extended universe lore

[Anonymous No.7334121]

what was this all about?

[Anonymous No.7334226]

>>7333570
You can still kill him with your sword if that's what you want.

[Anonymous No.7334297]

>>7333570
>checks a guide
>"disappointed" at how easy it is

[Anonymous No.7334352]

>>7333570
That's the cheap faggoty way to beat him. Fighting him the legit way with just sword combat makes for a really challenging and memorable fight. One of the best moments in the game.

[Anonymous No.7334923]

what was this all about?

[Anonymous No.7335046]

>>7333689
From a timeline perspective, it would have to be a separate entity. From a design standpoint, it's a reference.

[Anonymous No.7335095]

>>7333496
Could you give some other examples, I haven't played Zelda II.

[Anonymous No.7335101]

>>7335095
Its just the lone Zelda II autist coping and trying to claim Zelda II has any redeeming qualities, like inspiring an actual good game

[Anonymous No.7335116]

You can use deku nuts to kill him really easy too so long as you don't z-target him, he only dodges them while you're z-targeting him.

[Anonymous No.7335179]

>>7335095
For starters, all the sages are named after Zelda 2 towns (+ Mido).

[Anonymous No.7335193]

>>7335095
If you walk on paths in Zelda 2, monsters don't spawn. Similarly, while walking on paths in Hyrule Field, even at night, Stalchildren won't spawn. That feels like a direct reference to me.

[Anonymous No.7335196]

>>7335095
>>7335179
Volvagia was a boss in Zelda 2, though the NES game translated its name as "Barba" instead

[Anonymous No.7335205]

>>7333437
Mist created illusions

[Anonymous No.7335218]

>>7335196
>name is a portmanteau of vagina and vulva
Yeah I think they improved that

[Anonymous No.7335247]

>>7333886
You didn't see ESB did you? Luke enters a cave, Yoda tells him not to bring weapons, as all he will find there is what he is taking with him. Luke takes his lightsaber with him and sees Darth Vader. They fight, Luke decapitates the apparition, the helmet explodes to reveal Luke's own face.
It's foreshadowing that
>dueling Vader will bring harm to himself
>Vader is Luke's father

[Anonymous No.7335254]

>>7335095
the disparity between Links ages is itself a reference to how old he is in Zelda 1 and Zelda 2

[Anonymous No.7335257]

>>7335101
Fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.7335268]

>>7333437
forced manufactured kino

[Anonymous No.7335272]

>>7335247
Of course the literal autist will go and not understand metaphores or the concept of a metanarrative

[Anonymous No.7335278]

killing this guy in seconds during a 3 heart run is pretty fun though.

[Anonymous No.7335440]

>>7335095
Zelda II is the first game with 3 triforce. Zelda 1 only had 2.

[Anonymous No.7335695]

>>7333570
I fought him with my sword. I just went in with low health and fucked him up quickly.

[Anonymons No.7335848]

what was this all about?

[Anonymous No.7335895]

>>7333594
>The way he'll jump on your sword and mock yo
...What?

[Anonymous No.7336230]

>>7335895
Sometimes when you swing at him, he'll be standing on your sword and you'll be frozen for a second before he does a flip off of it.

[Anonymous No.7336291]

>>7333437
weed

[Anonymous No.7336350]

N64 could do ray tracing?

[Anonymous No.7336509]

>people saying the shadow link fight was good and not actually overly confusing dogshit unless you cheesed it
Is this just one of those
>lol it's 'hard' so that makes it awesome and based instead of just poorly designed
things? Cause I refuse to believe that people actually think it's a well designed fight

[Anonymous No.7336537]

>>7336509
How is it not well designed? You can fight him completely legit and I don't think using the rest of your arsenal is "cheesing" it at all. Did you get filtered by this fight or something?

[Anonymous No.7336580]

>>7336509
What was confusing about it?

[Anonymous No.7336621]

>>7336537
>>7336580
Because his mechanics aren't clear at all and 90% of the time he just blocks or jumps on your sword when you try to attack him with an actual attack.
And no, I didn't get filtered cause you can easily beat him with Din's Fire or the hammer but people up thread are going on about how it's just a well designed fight if you only use your sword.

[Anonymous No.7336642]

>>7336621

People did not commonly know about the hammer back in the day, and not everyone did the fire temple first, the water temple was actually easier to access. Dins fire always felt ineffective as another commenter points out. When I was a kid I remember dins fire not working , I had magazines which only said to use boggoron’s sword

[Anonymous No.7336669]

>>7336642
>boggoron’s sword

[Anonymous No.7336739]

>>7336621
The entire point of the fight is that he outplays you and you need to figure out tricks that can hit him. He's just a walking puzzle and the only enemy in the entire game that actually requires thought to fight.

[Anonymous No.7336752]

>>7336621
i am pretty sure the first time around i just wailed on him and it worked. I don't remember this point in the game ever being hard, i mostly remember that it was cool. I only knew about the hammer much later

[Anonymous No.7337752]

>>7336621
>Z target dark Link
>not working
>"hmm maybe I should try other ways to defeat him."
Yeah I'm thinking you got filtered.

[Anonymous No.7337763]

>>7336642
>People did not commonly know about the hammer back in the day
Except I tried the hammer because I had an entire arsenal and the sword didn't seem to be working. Why wouldn't you experiment? Why shouldn't someone try everything at their disposal? Claiming "they didn't know about something" is not an excuse in a game that rewards experimentation.

[Anonymous No.7337781]

>>7333689
Zelda Wiki has been a laughingstock ever since Triforce Tony, anon.

[Anonymous No.7337793]

>>7336350
Even the SNES can do ray tracing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeFF344NbZ4

[Anonymous No.7337809]

>>7335179
I want to spank Saria.

[Anonymous No.7337820]

>>7337781
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.7337881]

>>7337781
lmao holy shit, what a world we've found ourselves in

[Anonymous No.7338027]

>>7336642
>>7336669
kek

[Anonymous No.7338241]

>>7335095
When the Medallions were items and not just Quest Status trinkets, Spirit Medallion would've turned you into a fairy like in Zelda 2.

Iron Knuckles debutted in Zelda 2.

[Anonymous No.7338297]

>>7338241
On the topic of early content : this thing, which is supposed to be a "landmine" and got replaced with Bombchu, resembles a Zelda II enemy.

[Anonymous No.7338367]

>>7335095
>>7338297
Stalfos in OoT is based on Zelda II's sword & shield Stalfos (technically Stalfos Knight).
Shadow/Dark Link makes an appearance.
Movement options seem very much inspired by Zelda II combat, particularly downward->jump slash.
Zelda II also introduced spells, which appear in limited item form in OoT.
Forest Temple originally looked like a Zelda II palace.

[Anonymous No.7338495]

>>7335101
Ocarina of Time was conceptualized as a remake of The Adventure of Link, similar to how Link's Awakening was conceptualized as a remake of A Link to the Past and the Oracle games were conceptualized as remakes of the NES games (+Zelda III/Oracle of Secrets).

[Anonymous No.7338528]

>>7337781
>doppelganger of a male character
>ungendered for some reason
I feel like my eyelid is twitching compulsively.

[Anonymous No.7339007]

>>7333452
He's probably asking for some allegory or symbolic meaning that likely doesn't exist.

People these days assume everything has hidden or underlining behind them, even though some mediums are pretty face value about what they're doing.

[Anonymous No.7339030]

>>7337793
Read the description, that's a demonstration of an add-on chip
https://www.shironekolabs.com/posts/superrt/

[Anonymous No.7339095]

>>7333437
fighting a dark clone of yourself

[Anonymous No.7339224]

>>7333437
>tfw defeated him in less than 10s on a recent playthrough
I still have no idea what I did

[Anonymous No.7339269]

>>7333557
>Link's reflection disappears before Dark Link appears
haven't noticed this, that's cool

[Anonymous No.7339283]

>>7333626
This, plus Navi's quote is "Conquer yourself!"

[Anonymous No.7339309]

>>7339283
Yeah but Navi leaves you, and that's enough for Link to have an entire game about getting over his sadness and loneliness.

[Anonymous No.7339372]

>>7339224
Probably didnt ztarget. If you dont target him he wont block 99% of your attacks like he usually does, because he isnt ztargeting you if you arent ztargeting him.

[Anonymous No.7340513]

Why was the Water Temple so much fucking better and more thoughtful than the rest of the dungeons in the game? It's baffling to see the game at near 100% of its potential in one place just so you know they weren't trying their hardest anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.7340523]

>>7338367
>Forest Temple originally looked like a Zelda II palace.
the top portion still resembles the palace entrances, at least in the official art

[Anonymous No.7340607]

>>7340513
There's a theory in an earlier thread that Dark Link was supposed to be in the Forest Temple back when it more blatantly looked like a Palace as a giant Zelda II reference. Dark Link as a copy of Link would've matched the boss theme, with Phantom Ganon being a doppelganger of Ganondorf. Someone also mentioned that, in the room you fight Stalfos in the final game, Dark Link is spawned in the debug room, which was thought to be an AI test. Finally, consider that there's even an elevator in the final Forest Temple, completing the callback.

[Anonymous No.7340618]

what was this all about?

[Anonymous No.7340625]

>>7340607
That's pretty interesting. Thanks for the info anon

[Anonymous No.7340693]

>>7336621
>Because his mechanics aren't clear at all and 90% of the time he just blocks or jumps on your sword when you try to attack him with an actual attack.
So your problem is that the game actually challenges how well you can engage with the combat

[Anonymous No.7340702]

>>7333437
>>7333452
>>7333461
>>7333508
>>7333557
>>7333626
>>7333640
Also like, the whole temple is claustrophobic cause drowning and tight corridors, and this giant infinite horizon is juxtaposition

[Anonymous No.7340727]

This game's combat suits its specific adventure game purpose but doesn't do duels well. Its 6th gen successors both had (different) ways to make duels a bit more interactive and they did it pretty well.

[Anonymous No.7340854]

>>7333508
Once I tried to get hired by a /tg/ company and as part of the writer application I had to write about that scene in Empire and compare it to a Hemingway story.