/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7330801]

Imagine if every Zelda game was like this. They tried to bring the dark themes back for Twilight Princess but overdid it and gave us a 2006 emo's wet dream instead.

[Anonymous No.7330820]

What audience were they even chasing with a "dark and edgy" rendition of a classic cartoony series?

[Anonymous No.7330842]

I haven't played MM in a few years. I can't comment on gameplay necessarily but speaking to its atmosphere I think it was a very good follow up to Ocarina. They clearly went for something different. Following OoT successfully was doubtless an easy feat and had to be calculated. Dark and gloomy was fine, and a nice compliment to the more classically Zelda tone of Ocarina.

>>7330820
that's a naive question.

[Anonymous No.7330873]

>>7330820
its not really that dark or edgy. Ocarina was already kinda melancholic and moody, Majora was too except it had a few darker themes here are there, like the masks being of dead spirits.

Remember in Ocarina where you collected poes or followed a dead innkeeper through a graveyard, or when you the entire town you knew as vibrant as a kid was full of redeads as an adult and the other one is fucking on fire?

Both games had some darker momments but they also had a lot of lighter ones and funny stuff. Cataloguing either one as dark and edgy is missing the point.

[Anonymous No.7330967]

>>7330820
they were trying to filter people like you

[Anonymous No.7332570]

>>7330842
>>7330967
strike a nerve?

[Anonymous No.7332615]

>>7330820
They were trying to spook me. It worked. I haven’t touched MM in 15 years. I can’t do it. It’s great.

[Anonymous No.7332787]

>>7330820
You DO remember Link's uncle fucking dies in the intro to LttP right? The NES games are pretty dark too. Don't talk about a series you didn't play until after Toon Link happened.

[Anonymous No.7332841]

>>7330801
I don't think Nintendo "overdid" Twilight Princess's darkness, because I wouldn't call the game dark. It seems to me that they weren't really trying to emulate Majora's Mask. Instead, Nintendo appears to have had a very superficial understanding of a "mature" game and was trying more to emulate various aspects of western film media with its attempted grittiness and large amounts of spaghetti western references, among other things.

The tones of Ocarina and Majora's Mask are entirely different from what Twilight Princess ended up being and even to this day Nintendo seems to have no idea what the lasting appeal of their stories, atmosphere and art design was.

[Anonymous No.7333223]

>>7332787
No, sorry, Llttp is rrally faggy. All the 2d games are pure soi and have zero atmosphere

[Anonymous No.7333230]

>>7330801
Twilight Princess had a darker art style and a handful of "heavier" themes, but I'd hardly call something that has this a "2006 emo's wet dream". The game was ultimately too goofy for that. Majora's Mask itself is more bizarre than anything. A very Alice in Wonderland experience

But I do like that the series experiments with style and mood

[Anonymous No.7333259]

>>7330801
>overdid it
ok grandma

[Anonymous No.7333273]

>>7333230
Yeah. Despite the art style, TP really disappointed me, personally, with the goofy tone. It felt closer to Wind Waker than OoT or MM. It felt like a half-measure for the darkness it tried to look like. I wish we could have gone back to OoT. The N64 games were pitch-perfect.

[Anonymous No.7333279]

>>7330820
Majora wasn't dark and edgy, it was weird and creepy

[Anonymous No.7333432]

>>7333279
It got pretty dark. Like all the people sitting, waiting around to die. And some of them losing their composure at the end, if you went looking for them.

[Anonymous No.7333440]

>>7333223
>all 2d Xelda are pure onions and have zero atmosphere

[Anonymous No.7333457]

>>7333440
>Link to the past and Winwaker are soul, most better than ocarina and how real Zelda should always look
>t. hecking soituberino

[Anonymous No.7333465]

>>7333273
Neither OOT or Majora are that dark. I wonder how many people are just memeing, This >>7333279 is probably more like it but both OOT and Majora were full of humor and wacky stuff, everyone overstates how dark they were

[Anonymous No.7333467]

>>7333440
>>7333457
Please stop

[Anonymous No.7333492]

>>7333465
They were dark. OoT had a dungeon with a torture chamber and walls of skulls. The town square is full of zombies (yes I know "They're magical constructs" in official definitions, but that's not the impression given, plus Kakariko is considerably less populated than the castle town seems). A soldier dies in a back alley, on screen. In MM, there's constant themes of death and spirits moving on so you can take their mask and continue their role. People are cowering in fear of their seemingly inevitable death.
"MM and OoT aren't dark" is such a stupid take.

[Anonymous No.7333518]

>>7333492
this wacky race gave me nightmares for weeks, so dark, my wife's boyfriend had to buy me icecream , i was so shaken

[Anonymous No.7333528]

>>7333518
>something mildly silly exists
>all heavy themes are now nullified
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.7333559]

>>7332787
>LTTP
>edgy
As if that overrated game couldn't get any more retarded

[Anonymous No.7333569]

>>7333518
>>7333465
>there being silly stuff means that dark stuff doesn't exist in it
lmao why are people on this site so fucking stupid? And not just stupid, they're fucking proud of it

[Anonymous No.7333574]

>>7333569
Because they have the ability to go
>G-gotcha! I was only pretending!
and never have to learn to be not-stupid.

[Anonymous No.7333576]

>>7333528
>something mildly weird or creepy exists
>all of the fun adventure with fun and wacky elements are nulified

[Anonymous No.7333585]

>>7333576
>game about helping dead characters pass on and take their masks which you horrifically transform into them with
>game about a town of people accepting their fucking deaths stuck in a time loop to experience again and again
HAHA WACKY ADVENTURES! TEE HEE
Shut the fuck up. Who are you kidding?

[Anonymous No.7333590]

>>7333576
The entire game has a depressive atmosphere and it's very obviously deliberate..

[Anonymous No.7333596]

>>7333576
Being this disingenuous should be against the rules

[Anonymous No.7333625]

>>7333590
Silent hill 2 has a depressing atmosphere, MM is just weird

[Anonymous No.7333632]

>>7333625
>A darker game exists! That nullifies any darkness in this game!
Terrible argument.

[Anonymous No.7333646]

>>7333625
Have you played the game?
I'm starting to think you haven't played the game.

[Anonymous No.7333647]

>>7333528
>something mildly silly exists
>all heavy themes are now nullified
Not nullified, but certainly weakened. That's what levity is for. To balance out the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.7333658]

>>7333647
Levity attempts some balance, yes. But it doesn't even begin to completely level out this particular game. MM is a dark game with heavy themes. And a couple silly looking characters or weird races like Deku scrubs did not even everything out.

[Anonymous No.7333789]

>>7330801
>Imagine if every Zelda game was like this.

No fucking thanks. Majora's Mask is shit.

[Anonymous No.7333796]

>>7333789
oh no no no he actually said it! watch the mad lad get his (you)s

[Anonymous No.7333812]

>>7333646
By the same logic people are using here Star Wars is the darkest edgiest series ever, because wow, they blow up a planet and luke uncle and aunt die! But the main thing here is tone and the tone in MM is never as dark as people make it out to be. Sure you use the ghosts of some dead tribesmen in your quest, except this is not presented as some ultrazomber brooding edgelord black metal song, its presented in a wacky and fun way and the characters themselves are really fun. You go do wacky goron races and play in a Zora band and as a Deku every character you meet is a funny cartoon, the whole thing with the nagging princess, the dumb king and the monkeys is fun.

Oh but the buttler son died, and you probably have his mas, thats a feels melancholic momment, well, lets shape all the fun shit we done so far by this one specific thing!

[Anonymous No.7333829]

>>7333812
The tone is exactly what's dark you hippo.
I have a feeling you're just absolutely tone-blind.

[Anonymous No.7333837]

>>7333812
Use more hyperbole, it really helps your stance. Your argument is as dumb and superficial as "The game is colorful! How dark could it possibly be???"
Or maybe "This one scene has a joke! How dark could it possibly be???"
I can't tell if you're baiting or just too entrenched to admit you were wrong and have to play up every little thing so you can feel like you had a point.

[Anonymous No.7333843]

>>7333812
This song is a wacky happy song because it's in major and it's fast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la40d6pm17w

[Anonymous No.7333845]

>>7330801
Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess are both Top 5 Zelda games.