Zelda 64 proto stuff

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Zelda 64 proto stuff Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:16:43 2021 No.7308752 [Reply] [Original]

https://twitter.com/forestillusion/status/1351546352224727040

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:17:03 2021 No.7308753 File: 66 KB, 588x618, EsGoTN4VkAI7dl_.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7308752

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:18:05 2021 No.7308758 File: 123 KB, 588x618, EsGoEWrVEAAcl3W.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7308753

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:19:15 2021 No.7308764 File: 16 KB, 77x615, icons.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7308758

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:20:18 2021 No.7308769 File: 93 KB, 588x618, EsGoErEVQAIaa6C.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7308764

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:21:19 2021 No.7308774 This is all I have

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:29:59 2021 No.7308805 >>7308764 what is that item at the top? An early bombchu design?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:31:25 2021 No.7308813 >>7308805 dunno

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:47:05 2021 No.7308882 >>7308764 Where did you find this one,? Can't find it in the Twitter link

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:51:32 2021 No.7308906 >>7308882 Was from a discord

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 12:59:17 2021 No.7308945 >>7308764 Is that a motherfucking blue shell

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 13:05:55 2021 No.7308982 File: 94 KB, 320x292, OoT_Deku_Baba_Artwork.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7308805 Either that or deku nuts used to be a lot more sinister looking

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 13:20:01 2021 No.7309070 It's an honor to be back with you after the disappointing conclusion of the Gigaleaks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 13:36:02 2021 No.7309137 It's been released anonfiles_com/Lar9DdA8p3/F-ZERO_X_CFZE_7z (the first half of this file is apparently F-Zero stuff, but after that its Z64 leftovers)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 13:52:38 2021 No.7309202 >>>/v/541056554

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 14:41:56 2021 No.7309364 >>7308764 nice lens of truth

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 14:42:48 2021 No.7309367 File: 341 KB, 656x518, EsHisp4XUAM8eyX.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7309202 seriously go here there's way more shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 14:46:09 2021 No.7309378 File: 795 KB, 1365x767, OoTBeta1998.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 14:47:11 2021 No.7309381 File: 428 KB, 1365x765, OoTBeta1998-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7309378

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 14:49:48 2021 No.7309390 >>7309378 >>7309381 Banjo kazooie icon lookin ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 14:53:07 2021 No.7309402 >>7309378 Even more proof that the medallions also doubled as magical arrows alongside spells.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 15:36:28 2021 No.7309574 Some new info found from lurking TCRF discord >>7309381 The blue shell is called 地雷 (Landmine) Soul Medallion would have let you control Navi

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 15:37:48 2021 No.7309582
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>>7309574
Looks like at some point, the Shadow Medallion made you invisible to enemies before they made it double defense.

That's so weird to me because a great fairy also gives you double defense, so quadruple defense is a bit excessive...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 15:41:43 2021 No.7309592 >>7309137 anonfiles link isnt working anymore, can you repost?

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 16:40:45 2021 No.7309810

>>7308752
Is this seriously the only thread? I just learned about this on GoNintendo of all places. Immediately came here, control F "1997", control F "Zelda beta", nothing. After a bazillion Gigaleak threads with well-formatted OPs, all a fucking 1997 Zelda 64 beta deserves is
>Zelda 64 proto stuff
>twitter link
That's it?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 16:42:33 2021 No.7309818 >>7309810 They're all happening on /v/.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 16:48:12 2021 No.7309842

>>7309818
That one's even worse. I know I don't have a right to complain about this because I'm too busy to even check this stuff out right now, but I think a monumental find like this deserves better a Twitter link and a "goddamn" in the OP. Can't someone who knows what's going on here make a proper, respectably thread that could serve as the hub for findings the way the Gigaleak threads did (to some extent, I know a lot was going on in the TCRF discord as well)? This is /vr/'s chance to shine, not /v/'s!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 16:50:18 2021 No.7309850 >>7309842 >Can't someone who knows what's going on here make a proper, respectably thread *by which I mean a brief explanation of what happened + a link to the ROM and not just a Twitter thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 16:50:33 2021 No.7309851 File: 431 KB, 893x535, EsH-JYPXcAIyAgp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Obviously an early unicornless Unicorn Fountain

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 16:53:31 2021 No.7309868 >>7309850 >>7309842 >Can't someone who knows what's going on None of those "someones" use this board anymore ever since a certain mod appeared last August.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 17:09:56 2021 No.7309936 >>7309868 What happened last August?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 17:34:41 2021 No.7310039 >>7309936 We don't like to talk about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 17:40:58 2021 No.7310068 >>7310039 :O

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 19:50:31 2021 No.7310481 File: 118 KB, 701x829, zelda original scenario written by copywriter - not devs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:01:49 2021 No.7310525 >>7310481 Who? I thought Yoshiaki Koizumi wrote the story of Ocarina of Time. How can this guy take credit for the legend of the Triforce when Koizumi took credit for writing it in an even earlier game, LttP

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:03:50 2021 No.7310536 >>7310525 that is about Zelda 1

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:09:47 2021 No.7310563
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Friendly reminder not to engage with anyone implying Shigesato Ito had any involvement in the development of a Zelda game. This ham-fisted false narrative is being pushed by an individual who wants to create “lore” where there is none. This is absurd for the following reasons:

1. In this interview https://www.glitterberri.com/developer-interviews/miyamoto-horii-discussion Shigeru Miyamoto mentions that he’s worked with Shigesato Itoi on the story of “games”. Note that Japanese has no plural and he’s likely just referring to Mother, as this interview took place in 1989. He goes on to state that “The stories of Mario and Zelda titles have always been supplemental to the actual gameplay.” Does this also imply that Itoi worked on the story of a Mario game? Of course not. Miyamoto is essentially name-dropping his friendship with a prolific writer and pop culture figure to another industry friend. It is not explicitly stated what the two collaborared on. (But it’s obviously Mother)

2. Shigesato Itoi was an incredibly successful writer of several best selling books. The notion that he would not only write the very minimal story and dialog of a Zelda game, but that it would be scrapped and no credit or acknowledgement of his involvement would be made, is an utterly moronic idea. Someone of Itoi’s notability would clearly be used in the marketing of the game, and his ideas used in every aspect of the game design, as in the case of Mother. He would certainly be credited for his work, whether used or unsused as well.

3. Zelda A Link to the Past already has a script credit: Kensuke Tanabe. At the time, a member of R&D4 who had worked on several Mario games, he would be the likely choice to produce the script for a Zelda game, not a best selling author and copywriter.

Thank you for your time and I hope this puts that nonsense to bed. Please don’t spread gay cancer any further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:18:53 2021 No.7310594 >>7310563 What does this have to do with oot protos

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:19:51 2021 No.7310597 >>7308764 Looks like a fucking land mine

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:21:55 2021 No.7310605 >>7310597 The text says it is a landmine, and it functions like one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:23:55 2021 No.7310608 >>7310594 Nothing, but neither does >>7310481. I knew “Itoi wrote Zelda” fag would show up in this thread and I wanted to preempt any discussion about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:36:15 2021 No.7310647 >>7310608 That image is about Keiji Terui writing the story for Zelda though, not Itoi

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:40:45 2021 No.7310657 >>7310647 I’m aware, both are equally irrelevant to the topic of Zelda 64 protos. As I said, I posted it to preempt “Itoi wrote Zelda” fag

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:49:02 2021 No.7310672 Itoi wrote Zelda

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:55:54 2021 No.7310685 >>7310672 Only a draft of Zelda 3 that never reached final, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 20:57:56 2021 No.7310692 The /v/ threads are already devolving into autistic wannabe janitors trying to police the board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 21:00:59 2021 No.7310704 >>7310692 They're just upset a thread about video games pushed their e-celeb drama coomer edition general off the board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 21:18:42 2021 No.7310763 >>7310692 The same thing happened during the gigaleaks. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the exact same people.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 23:27:46 2021 No.7311139

>>7310692
This always happens when people discuss video games. Apparently it's fine to constantly have the same threads about drawfags/softcore porn/e-celebs/Smash shitflinging and rosters/the latest TORtanic, but fuck forbid you have comfy threads about actual game discussion and finding cool shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:14:35 2021 No.7311626 File: 1.90 MB, 1504x921, oldishfield.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Old Hyrule field

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:15:39 2021 No.7311628 File: 679 KB, 899x699, 1611094986263.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ancient Hyrule field

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:15:58 2021 No.7311629 >>7310704 This it killed a thread and pissed them off lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:18:58 2021 No.7311632 File: 47 KB, 1912x982, ancient.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First? Hyrule field this one's from the gigaleak but I'll post it to complete the set

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:49:42 2021 No.7311701

>>7308764
Wait a fucking second, look at the Ocarina. There's a red, green, and blue button on it as well as four holes. The red and green buttons are particularly interesting because that could imply that the start and b buttons were used to play the fucking thing on top of the A button and the C buttons. So how would you quit out of the thing, R?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:53:58 2021 No.7311714 >>7311701 they're the spiritual stones, not buttons

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:54:40 2021 No.7311715 File: 3 KB, 24x72, spiritual stones.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7311701 I was thinking that too, but I think it's actually supposed to be related to the spiritual stones, which have music shapes in this version.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 03:55:03 2021 No.7311716 File: 9 KB, 535x112, Screenshot_2021-01-20_03-54-51.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/386552664260870146/801372401660592158/scene.rar

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:56:31 2021 No.7311919 File: 467 KB, 1494x802, probably not rendering correctly.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CoS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 06:07:52 2021 No.7311932 File: 508 KB, 1500x801, Screenshot_2021-01-20_06-06-37.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CoS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 06:14:34 2021 No.7311942 File: 21 KB, 992x680, Screenshot_2021-01-20_06-13-17.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The collision for the old ToT exterior prerender

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 06:23:29 2021 No.7311956 >>7311626 >>7311628 Hmm. Neither of these have Hyrule Castle in the center as TCRF speculated it was originally.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 06:29:03 2021 No.7311968 File: 15 KB, 651x647, Screenshot_2021-01-20_06-28-34.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7311956 This one does

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 06:37:48 2021 No.7311978 >>7311968 I don't have the model for the older one

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 08:35:04 2021 No.7312237 File: 325 KB, 840x2424, tranny rage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the one word that broke the TCRF discord

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 08:47:47 2021 No.7312267 >>7312237 Fuckin' stupid tranny niggerfaggots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 08:52:37 2021 No.7312278 >>7312267 careful one of them might be janitoring this board

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 08:54:38 2021 No.7312281 >>7312278 COME AND GET ME JANNIES

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 08:59:14 2021 No.7312293 >>7312237 >getting triggered over words like "retard" while telling everyone to fuck off Yet another massively hypocritically tranny nigger. These mentally ill cunts infect everything. Hilarious shit though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:00:40 2021 No.7312301 File: 45 KB, 613x675, noooucant.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312237 >NOOOOO U CAN'T SAY THE R*TARD WORDS!!!! Imagine being such a sensitive snowflake that reading a word on the internet upsets you this much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:01:16 2021 No.7312302 >>7312237 These people are insufferable

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:01:33 2021 No.7312304 >>7312301 You're just as bad as him for posting wojaks faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:04:13 2021 No.7312314 File: 16 KB, 550x597, nooooo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312304 YWNBAW

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:11:38 2021 No.7312336 File: 963 KB, 729x649, 1611088589457.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312314 what's ywnbaw?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:16:16 2021 No.7312346 >>7312336 "You will never be a woman"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:22:25 2021 No.7312353 >>7309378 So what are those leaves? Were they the original magic beans?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:23:14 2021 No.7312354 >>7312353 Read the wiki, dude, it's the reed whistle item that we've known about for years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:23:18 2021 No.7312356 >>7312336 Some garbage /pol/ shit that seeped into the garbage boards like /v/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:23:48 2021 No.7312358 >>7309582 I guess I can see why they cut the navi thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:28:13 2021 No.7312368 >>7311956 Is that not what this is? >>7311632 Theres an entrance at each corner suggesting it was in the middle of somewhere. It seems like they kept the idea and used it for clocktown.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:30:01 2021 No.7312370

>>7312368
For some bizarre reason, that's an actor, not a map. Considering how early most of these maps are and how most of the work has been done on the dungeons, it'd be safe to assume that changing Market to not be the center of the world was one of the first "major" changes they made.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:32:25 2021 No.7312380 >>7312370 It was probably an actor so it could be spawned when you started to get close enough to see it. In those early screenshots the area around it was pretty foggy and that would probably hide it while it spawned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:33:23 2021 No.7312382 File: 1.63 MB, 600x448, 1596234310225.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312380 Makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 09:47:28 2021 No.7312416 >>7312382 I guess they sort of reused that idea for wind waker if that was what they were going for there.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:12:50 2021 No.7312459
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>>7312237
Hey, person who browses TCRF server daily here. Rusty is known to get quite dramatic with small things and turns them into big issues for no reason. I have no idea why he decided to freak the out for no goddamn when this guy simply wanted to share tools to help people out on what's considered to be the ultimate unused content discovery since RE1.5, but I assume it's due to how manually unstable most of the TCRF admins are.(I got banned from the TCRF wiki because someone was using my IP to post weird shit in IRC chat, now I can't continue my work on the Persona 2 pages. Doesn't even help the game is so obscure and I'm the only one who even gives a shit to investigate the game. I emailed XKeeper for a appeal to my ban, but he's purposely ignoring my email for weeks now despite being the one who banned me according to the site)
If you want to post your tools onto TCRF again, make sure to edit enough that it looks different. Or post it when Rusty isn't around.(Which is early mornings in the U.S)
Otherwise I'm sorry this had to happen if you were that guy who got banned.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:27:22 2021 No.7312497

>>7312459
I only lurk the TCRF server and compiled that pic because I fucking despise admins like him with a passion

Something similar happened to me when I joined an unrelated server to share rare content I had discovered - a tranny admin immediately banned me without warning just for having an avatar of an anime girl dressed like Hitler

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:29:08 2021 No.7312508 >>7312497 >a tranny admin immediately banned me without warning just for having an avatar of an anime girl dressed like Hitler Oh no, did you ever find another Discord server to LARP as an edgy and unlikable 14 year old?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:31:47 2021 No.7312520 File: 374 KB, 1280x712, d2pmvq3-5f797393-8ed7-4102-a8f8-3ebec22d556c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312508 What does it feel like to live a life completely barren of fun and joy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:39:19 2021 No.7312549 >>7308805 bombflower no?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:41:15 2021 No.7312556 File: 8 KB, 359x86, tranny edge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312497 >>7312508 >discord admins who adopt authoritarian fascist policies in response to jokes about authoritarian fascists really gets the noggin joggin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:43:44 2021 No.7312560 >>7312336 the fate of everyone in that discord screencap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:44:03 2021 No.7312562 >>7312508 ...You sound like that Rusty tranny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:52:25 2021 No.7312578 >>7312237 Thanks for derailing the thread retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:56:16 2021 No.7312589 >>7312578 That's how this works, anon. Ontopic video game threads are boring, so people have to shit the place up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:58:01 2021 No.7312597 >>7312589 In /v/, maybe.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:59:45 2021 No.7312605
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>>7312578
You mean the thread that was on its way to page 10 and no one was posting in?

If you're on post-exodus /vr/ to find info about an N64 game I feel sorry for you. Anyways, all of the new finds are getting posted on Twitter. Here's some helpful links

https://twitter.com/MrCheeze_/status/1351763664555147266?s=19
https://www.youtube.com/c/z64me/videos

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:00:27 2021 No.7312608 >>7312578 You will never be a woman or female furried animal. Stop raping dogs rusty

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:01:40 2021 No.7312614 >>7311701 >>7311715 The symbols are natural, flat, and sharp. My guess is that natural would actually let you play the orcarina while flat/sharp would unlock the ability to use Z/R to play sharp or flat notes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:02:39 2021 No.7312616 >>7312605 Praise Dr. Disco and I really hope he can get the older, outdated maps loaded in soon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:03:13 2021 No.7312619 https://nintendoeverything.com/zelda-ocarina-of-time-early-1997-build-emerges-with-pre-release-assets-showcases-changes-from-the-final-game/ It may be a news site, but it's got a decent infodump attached to it.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:03:58 2021 No.7312623
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Posting for embedding purposes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MuYpq-_3SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn1RoJc9ydw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0a-Uiw60KM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rSKhWrLgmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsIyJS3vS4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdMe2IKec-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kUcF5h1C3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3RNmqhGcQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnQxY35EVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT2BU8a-6-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pR1S_M7E3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcC5904UrU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBY2JMbsw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og44L6DlYjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiMAP5MNTIs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:05:04 2021 No.7312626 >>7312597 What's the difference nowadays?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:19:44 2021 No.7312671 >>7312605 >post-exodus /vr/ Why was there an exodus?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:21:14 2021 No.7312679 File: 2.55 MB, 2566x2670, gbautism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312671

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:22:46 2021 No.7312685

>>7312671
The mods made like four boards nobody asked for that are super dead/pointless, such as a board for mobage gacha trash that doesn't allow generals. Then, instead of making a board that's been requested for years, /v2k/, the mods decided to completely fuck up the rules for what counts as retro and what doesn't. GameCube, PS2, Xbox, and the GBA are allowed. No games released past 2008 are allowed since the PS2 lived forever in third world shitholes. The PSP and DS are not retro. Crysis is retro. Modern Warfare 2 is retro. The word retro has no meaning anymore when it's this inconsistent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:25:00 2021 No.7312695 File: 94 KB, 680x383, 1600786377886.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did the threads on /v/ get purged and pushed to /vr/ instead? I'm just waiting for the Unicorn Fountain to finally drop.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:27:27 2021 No.7312710 I get the feeling that the maps were so much bigger in the early build in order to make epona more useful. To be honest in the final game epona to me always felt like a after thought.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:29:00 2021 No.7312720 >>7312695 People ran out of new stuff to post and the threads devolved into just shitposting. Apparently the last 20 or so maps will take a bit longer to be able to be viewed.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:29:25 2021 No.7312724

>>7312695
They just died out in the middle of the night when everyone went to bed, now threads die almost as soon as they're put up because "we've already had multiple 500 post threads back to back". It's probably better to stick around here again.

>>7312710
I think the maps were supposed to be this big to show off how powerful the 64DD was, and Epona became a necessity very early on because of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:31:10 2021 No.7312734 >>7312724 That could be but I'm pretty sure miyamoto wanted a horse in zelda since the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:32:07 2021 No.7312739 >>7312695 >>>/v/541186839 Here's a thread.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:34:18 2021 No.7312747
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>>7312695
We mostly ran out of stuff to dump, now it's just a mix between people cobbling all the maps to load into the retail game and what >>7312720 said.

Long term though I think the goal is to recover the remaining 16 MB that are still somewhat on the cart. It's weird how memory works on it but since it's flash memory some anons were saying it could be recovered from the overdump but it'd be hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:38:59 2021 No.7312759 >>7312614 Good theory, but some people are suggesting that you didn't get an ocarina until after obtaining the spiritual stones

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:42:19 2021 No.7312772

>>7312759
It would've been more likely that you didn't need to use those notes until after the temple.

The first song you get that needs any special button is the Song of Time that's used to open the temple doors, so you would've gotten it then probably and from there needed to use the special buttons for the warp songs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:51:54 2021 No.7312796 >>7312759 Maybe, the button thing also makes sense. Especially considering flat/sharp would almost do the exact same thing.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:53:25 2021 No.7312805

>>7312772
If the spiritual stones were shaped like natural, sharp, and flat notes, I don't think A would be considered a special note. I think playing sharp and flat notes would be special notes, and the Ocarina would be way more tedious to play because of it.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:53:28 2021 No.7312806

Here's the ROM again
https://mega.nz/file/l1pUxIDD#dUuMzuBf-FhXORNcKaJSYo_6QfK63PZTqXRaENYXWyo

Mirror (2 week expiration)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/bch4xkgrm46a5t2/F-ZERO_X_%255BCFZE%255D.z64/file

Torrent
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:082c44e1a5e06079474d0fd85301259f61c3f947&dn=F-ZERO%20X%20%5bCFZE%5d.z64

SHA256: 8CEF0E399C0524052B758109ABE894C709A72540A42C4A2118064A5CDDF01B6D

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:16:25 2021 No.7312903 >>7312685 Cope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:18:16 2021 No.7312908 >>7308805 >>7312549 Landmine according to UI text

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:23:43 2021 No.7312932 >>7312806 Is this the rom with those unused maps implemented to explore?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:24:07 2021 No.7312934 >>7312903 dialate >inb4seethe sneed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:26:53 2021 No.7312943 >>7312932 It's the ROM with the unused maps, but I think you have to patch them into a full Ocarina of Time ROM to explore them. Idk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:48:44 2021 No.7313027 >>7312772 There is no ocarina song where you need to flatten or sharpen the pitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:44:14 2021 No.7313224 >>7311626 >>7311628 They don't look like they're that much larger than the final hyrule field.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:53:29 2021 No.7313248

>>7313027
I'm not sure I'm following. It's not like they couldn't make one. They also could use double sharps/flats to fill in notes that don't appear on 5 note scale given to us. Like extend Saria's song beyond the same three notes. Clearly since the release never made use of it they realized it would've been too complicated but I'm sure they at least considered making full use of the orcarina.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:35:55 2021 No.7313430 >>7312459 Tell Rusty to blow my shiny cock.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:46:58 2021 No.7313485 >>7313224 But it has more verticality and actually rolling hills

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:17:39 2021 No.7313549 >>7313224 I just realized the ancient Hyrule Field has yellow roads like Zelda 2 while the final game uses dirt roads like ALttP.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:22:04 2021 No.7313569

>>7311968
If this is from the 97 beta, that's interesting. But for it to validate TCRF's theory, they would have had to have kept building and rebuilding on the same field model, right? Is it even roughly a similar shape and size to the final Hyrule Field?
>>7312237
Yikes.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:27:28 2021 No.7313583

>>7312368
>Is that not what this is?
No? IIRC, TCRF's theory is that Hyrule Castle was originally in the center of Hyrule Field based on the design of >>7311632 and the fact that there's some unused space behind the castle. But both of these maps place Hyrule Castle roughly in the same place it is in the final.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:32:34 2021 No.7313607 >>7312508 >>7312578 Fuck off, Rusty/XKeeper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:33:54 2021 No.7313614 File: 196 KB, 1600x873, EsK5komXMAYahq2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:35:00 2021 No.7313618 File: 191 KB, 320x239, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312623 Man, what are the odds that we'd get THE beta fucking lake house, but it's before the girl was implemented (or maybe she's supposed to be there but her actor is missing)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:36:19 2021 No.7313624 >>7313607 Fuck off. I don't give a fuck about your discord drama. I do care about off topic bullshit derailing a thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:37:41 2021 No.7313627 >>7313614 This makes it seem like the map was just that much bigger than the final.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:38:31 2021 No.7313628 >>7313618 That girl was like the fourth actor added to the game after Link, Stalfos mini-boss, and a nulled entry. This build is from long after Aria was cut from the game.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:41:04 2021 No.7313637

>>7312380
>>7312382
This makes way too much sense. The oldest Hyrule Field found from these 1996 A+B screenshots seems bigger than the final, so this could be to save on resources.

Plus, there must be a technical dohickey differences between the final version's cart technology and 64DD original that made Hyrule Castle as an actor make more sense from a technical standpoint.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:42:46 2021 No.7313643

>>7313618
>>7313628
The biggest problem isn't wether or not Aria was cut, it's that the F-Zero X data overwrote all actor listings alongside enemy objects and music.
Unless autists can truly restore shit that F-Zero rewrote, we don't know more than the old Lake map is here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:49:38 2021 No.7313663 >>7313643 >>7313618 Assuming that the actor listings aren't hiding something as crazy as Luigi in Super Mario 64, it seems like we lucked out on getting maps and text

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:51:40 2021 No.7313672 >>7312739 This is the kind of thread /vr/ should have instead of this gay low-effort shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:53:48 2021 No.7313679 Am I the only who feels that the OOT beta stuff just feels like levels and enemies from Zelda 1 & 2 roughly translated into 3D?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:53:56 2021 No.7313680 >>7313672 Rusty, it pains me to tell you this but...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:54:16 2021 No.7313682 >>7312237 kek what a bitch

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:54:40 2021 No.7313683 >>7313679 Wait until you learn that Ocarina of Time started out by remaking 2 in 3D

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:55:42 2021 No.7313689

>>7312747
>We mostly ran out of stuff to dump, now it's just a mix between people cobbling all the maps to load into the retail game
haha wouldn't it be funny if they released patch(es) so that normal people can actually play the maps too instead of experiencing them through youtube and twitter videos made by people who never explain how they got them in the game haha wouldn't that be hilarious

t. brainlet who is still salty that he never even got to play the Gigaleak maps

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:55:45 2021 No.7313690 >>7313683 That's a myth

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:56:07 2021 No.7313691

>>7313679
Because it is. OoT began as an attempt to remake Zelda 2's sword fighting concept in 3D, since Miyamoto has mentioned several times he hates how it wasn't truly accomplished in Zelda 2.
While the Dungeon design began with the devs harkening to Zelda 1, but in 3D. The screenshot of a wall room where there's a beta wall master looks like it could be something like Level 1 Eagle in 3D.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:57:20 2021 No.7313693 >>7313027 >>7313248 Doesn't holding Z or R change the pitch while you're playing?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:57:22 2021 No.7313694

>>7313690
Not a remake in a literal sense, but in a conceptial sense. Not only were Iron Knuckles and Stalfos the first 2 enemies implemented and having a strong focus on sword combat, we now know Fairy Spell would've returned as well, as the Spirit Medallion.
Link was also capable of jumping very early in development it seems.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:58:54 2021 No.7313701

>>7313693
Yeah but no songs require it, and playing songs sharp or flat doesn't "count" as playing them, meaning that sharp C-Right is treated as a different note than C-Right. It really seems like sharp and flat notes were required for songs but were thankfully dropped because imagine how annoying that would get.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:01:47 2021 No.7313710

>>7313690
It's true, but only indirectly. There was a Koizumi interview that explained OoT came from a desire to make a Zelda in the style of AoL again and him messing around with the starfox engine, which was confirmed by the gigaleak. After SM64 was just released he proposed a new Zelda on the SM64 engine which used the ideas he had already developed beforehand and it took off from there.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:08:07 2021 No.7313739

>>7313628
>That girl was like the fourth actor added to the game after Link, Stalfos mini-boss, and a nulled entry.
How do you know that? And can we stop pretending that Aria is her canon name? Really triggers my Zelda lore autism when fans come up with fanfic-y shit like that and endlessly repeat it like it's true. Sooner or later she'll end up in some Zelda fan wiki, no doubt, and then some unofficial guide (which almost always reference/rip off fan wikis) about the history of Zelda will print it as her name. Pure autism.
>>7313643
>>7313663
Damn.
>>7313680
Nigger, I literally just accused >>7313624 of being Rusty. That wasn't even my first post saying that this deserves a better /vr/ thread. I was here way before the discord tranny drama.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:10:47 2021 No.7313748 >>7313739 >How do you know that? The actor list is sorted by the orders they were added to the game. The first four in no particular order, are Link, Stalfos, nulled entry, and Aria >And can we stop pretending that Aria is her canon name? No

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:11:56 2021 No.7313751

>>7313739
Not him but sorry, Aria has been like the "agreed fan name", it just seems more natural than to call her object_human.
While her object is still in the final game (although uncompatible with the final engine) there's are dummied out actors. Two right after the Stalfos entry. Most likely one was the Iron Knuckle when it still carried a sword and shield (and not an axe) and the other one is most likely object_human's/Aria's actor. She was most likely implemented as a test of human interactions and expressions - she has a WIDE array of expressions.
It's often believed, due to design similiraties, she became Adult Malon. Who also has various facial textures, IIRC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:12:07 2021 No.7313752 >>7313739 Okay Rusty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:15:45 2021 No.7313769 >>7313679 >>7313683 I can certainly see it. Combat is above average in polish. But it wouldn't surprise me if the showstopper was getting perspective depth to work in 3D, since its the main limiter of how deep a designed moveset can be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:18:59 2021 No.7313781 >>7312497 retard

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:28:33 2021 No.7313815

>>7313751
>Not him but sorry, Aria has been like the "agreed fan name", it just seems more natural than to call her object_human.
It's just so cringy, though. DeviantArt/Tumblr "Coldsteel the Hedgehog" tier cringe. I guarantee whoever came up with it is probably a teenager.
>Hmm, I should come up with a name for this Zelda character... what would sound cool... oh, how about a musical name?
>Melody... nah, too generic. Sonata... nah, too "out there". Oh, I got it--Aria! Yeah! That sounds sooooo much like a Zelda name lmaoooo
It's just such an obvious fan character name. Never mind that it's too close to Saria. Never mind that they likely wouldn't have named a character that early in development. Never mind that no other OoT besides the composer brothers have musical names, and never mind that the ocarina probably wasn't implemented at this point and that there's no reason to think the girl would even have anything to do with music.

Whatever. I can't change the fact that I'm the only one who appreciates how awful the name is, so I'm done sperging out over it for now.
>>7313752
Except I'm not Rusty. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:33:16 2021 No.7313829 File: 954 KB, 400x225, 1582250884739.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7313815 Ohh rusty, you chuckle fuck. Suck my cock

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:34:52 2021 No.7313832 >>7313829 Again, I was in this thread before the discord tranny drama even started. >>7309810 was my first post. Give it up, retard.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:38:44 2021 No.7313846

>>7313815
Not that anon. I can appreciate where you're coming from. Fanon BS gets out of hand pretty easily, reminds me of all those tetraforce threads on Zelda Universe around 2006. People could not shut the fuck up about that shit when there was plenty of other interesting discussions to have based on facts. So I get it. You have people that act as if that's what the character's name is, as if it were in the game files.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:40:50 2021 No.7313852 >>7313832 Okay Rusty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:41:15 2021 No.7313854 >>7313815 Her name, IIRC, came from Wind God's Aria from Wind Waker due to her green clothes. This was a VERY long time ago, this scene was indeed just a bunch of teenagers trying to discover more about OoT's development.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:17:03 2021 No.7313950 >>7313637 I figure the only reason they had castle town spawn in is because the 64 couldnt hold the town and the rest of hyrule field in ram at the same time.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:27:38 2021 No.7313975

>>7312671
Rule change led to low quality posters from /v/ flooding combined with trolls who wanted to put salt on the wound. It's more or less back to normal now, but a lot of people left and a lot of old generals/slow threads that use to be on here are gone now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:29:50 2021 No.7313980 >>7312237 rusty sounds like a little bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:31:12 2021 No.7313986 >>7312508 found the tranny faggot admin guys. Go join the 41% because you'll never be a woman

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:33:07 2021 No.7313994 >>7312497 >a tranny admin immediately banned me without warning just for having an avatar of an anime girl dressed like Hitler ay lmao. Keyed and locked

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:34:32 2021 No.7313998 >>7312556 >>7312237 why do faggos and trannies use the word edgy so much? Are they projecting their thoughts about razor blade edges and suicide and being on the edge of life or the edges of the society?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:35:38 2021 No.7314000 >>7312301 yeah they are huge faggots. we even have some on this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:40:19 2021 No.7314007 >>7313998 because it's criticism that doesn't require any thought other than 'i don't like this'

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:47:53 2021 No.7314026 >>7312237 I am literally shaking while pissing and shitting myself right now

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:59:03 2021 No.7314049 >>7313998 >>7314007 I think it has more to do with the fact it's a way to make something sound immature. That's usually the angle they try to attack from, which is ironic because 10/10 times they are huge manchildren.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:03:37 2021 No.7314063 >>7313852 >guy who called me retard is the guy who sperged out on discord about the word retard Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:05:14 2021 No.7314067 >>7314063 Dude it's been long enough. You should know by now after the rule change that we'll have retards who will just spam bait with no coherent thoughts behind it for (you)s.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:05:20 2021 No.7314070 >>7314007 You sound like an edgelord. No, seriously. You'd have to be one to not get why people dislike forced edginess.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:13:54 2021 No.7314085
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>>7314070
>Doesn't know when to ironically, unironically and both ironically and unironically like the edginess of something
>Probably conflates edge with angst
People like you are why everything is so shit now.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:21:01 2021 No.7314110

>>7314085
>Probably conflates edge with angst
Not that I don't know the difference, but it's understandable that since they often go hand in hand, the words became conflated over time. And both angst and edginess are hallmarks of pre-teenhood that cause many people to cringe because it reminds them over their younger days when they tried so hard to seem deep, dark, and "mature". Did I really need to explain that to you, though?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:29:49 2021 No.7314141

>>7313693
Yeah, crash coarse on music notation. In Western music there's 12 notes per octave then they repeat themselves. We call these notes:
>A, A#/Bb, B, C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#, Gb, G, G#/Ab
So going from A to B is a whole step and in between that is A#/Bb. A# and Bb are the same exact pitch just a different name for it. They're technically not the same strictly speaking in terms of theory but they sound exactly the same. The orcarina only has 5 buttons (notes) that are:
>D, F, A, B, and D again but an octave higher
Holding down Z gives you a flat version of the note so:
>Db, Fb, Ab, Bb, and Db.
R gives a sharp version so:
>D#, F#, A#, B#, and D#
The joystick also let's you go up or down a half step on top of Z/R. This means you can go up or down a whole step. If you combine the two you can use all 12 notes and then some. Like >>7313701 was saying, it probably would've been annoying to play. It's still cool they gave the option to use them though.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:30:46 2021 No.7314142

>>7314110
Not him, but these days people seem to be the opposite, there's a huge push to like dumb innocent things, and for people to act like children because they're afraid of being "edgy"

I cringe harder at middle-aged men doing lolsorandum UwU oppsy poopsy shit on twitter, the kind that refer to being serious as "adulting" than I do at teengers acting edgy.

Any videogame that's not self-aware ironic meme garbage can come out, and people will complain that it's edgy, because they're afraid to take anything seriously in the modern era. The rush to not seem to be tryhard mature has caused people to act like literal children out of desire to remain contrarian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:37:04 2021 No.7314161 >>7313998 >>7314049 >I think it has more to do with the fact it's a way to make something sound immature. Same with the word "horny" for anything that might be sexually arousing for cis (aka normal) people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:42:39 2021 No.7314169 >>7314049 100% on target. Keyed and locked fren

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:45:08 2021 No.7314174

>>7314007
>>>7313998 (You)
>because it's criticism that doesn't require any thought other than 'i don't like this'

I know your a libtard and often libtards don't realize how hypocritical and contradictory they are.

Consider that everyone in the fagchord screencap thought using retard is something that doesn't really require though and the fag complain was the one over reacting

Also consider this started over a slur you don't like, while your response is to use a slur towards them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:46:10 2021 No.7314179 >>7314161 no such thing as cis. They are normal. Anything else is abnormal creepy deviants

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:50:58 2021 No.7314187 Boy oh boy I sure do love off topic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:52:58 2021 No.7314192 File: 265 KB, 1200x628, lookingglass-selfawareness.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7310563 >Please don’t spread gay cancer any further. By that you mean spilling your even-more autistic pasta, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:55:16 2021 No.7314197 >>7314187 Don't worry, once they find out how to access the rest of the maps, the threads will be alive again. They will find out how to access them, right?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:05:44 2021 No.7314228

>>7314142
Why are innocent things dumb? Why do you automatically correlate them with childishiness? The fact that you can even say such things unironically is proof that you don't get it. No one cares that you never outgrew your prepubescent notions of what's "mature" and what's "kiddy", we just want to like what we like without you incessantly shitting on it like a troll.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:13:24 2021 No.7314249 >>7311628 Wonder why they scrapped the dam.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:15:19 2021 No.7314253 >>7312237 KWAB

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:18:00 2021 No.7314262

>>7314228
It's not that it's dumb that it bothers me, it bothers me because it's just creepy.

When I see a middle-aged man talk in a childish manner, like replying to anything that bothers him with EW GROSS YUCKY POOPOO it doesn't make me think he's endearing, it makes me think he's a pedophile.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:22:04 2021 No.7314275 >>7312237 It's almost like BMF/Rusty is begging for an exodus to create his own competition, FFS, they're there to crack open game data, the last thing they/we need is moral-policing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:33:35 2021 No.7314296 looks like a wiener

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 19:58:27 2021 No.7314352 >>7314262 >like replying to anything that bothers him with GROSS YUCKY POOPOO No one says this. SJW retards tend to call things that offend them "gross" and "yuck", but that's a different matter.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:02:22 2021 No.7314363

>>7314352
If you consider all liberal males "SJW retards" then yeah, but I'm sure some of the ones that do that are either politically neutral, or just flamboyant gays. And either way, I'm just talking about the "gross" shit, there's also the adulting thing, and reacting to anything that's slightly grim like Dark Souls as being a game for edgelords.

cactusman@hitler.rocks Wed Jan 20 20:06:58 2021 No.7314378
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>>7312459
>>7312497
>>7312301
>>7312302
Although they're right about the language I used being kinda cringe and I don't really say those things anymore, it was a pretty massive overreaction. To to be honest though, I should've known where I was posting. Kinda forgot I slipped in a few naughty words in there. Anyway, didn't know someone compiled that whole ordeal into an image, but I had a hearty kek, thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:08:32 2021 No.7314381 >>7314378 nice user name

>>	cactusman@hitler.rocks Wed Jan 20 20:09:13 2021 No.7314383 File: 2 KB, 32x32, F-ZERO X [CFZE].1039EBC.rgba32.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7314381 thanks babe, email me anytime xo

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:13:13 2021 No.7314392

>>7311701
>the ocarina was originally conceived with the idea that the player would hold the controller up to their face and simulate it's use with controller buttons corresponding to the ocarina holes
> was probably changed because they realized people wouldn't care quite enough to immerse themselves in the experience that much

based

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:14:53 2021 No.7314396 >>7314378 >>7314383 um, that name is problematic?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:17:17 2021 No.7314404 >>7314396 are you making a declaration or are you questioning whether the name is problematic or not

>>	transman@friendship.rocks Wed Jan 20 20:23:58 2021 No.7314418 >>7314396 My apologies, please refer to my new low-effort email address, thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:30:56 2021 No.7314432 >>7314404 The "um" indicates he's mocking tumblrtards

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:31:10 2021 No.7314436 >>7314418 >man that's sexist

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:35:39 2021 No.7314443

>>7312614
I feel like it's more likely the original concept was the three spiritual stones would create the Ocarina of Time when you collected them all, which is why they look like music notations. At some point, they reworked it into the stones just opening the Temple of Time and Zelda giving you the Ocarina after collecting all three.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:59:11 2021 No.7314494 >>7314363 >reacting to anything that's slightly grim like Dark Souls as being a game for edgelords. Well we're in agreement there, that is stupid. Dark Souls is just bog standard dark fantasy, nothing particularly edgy about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:24:01 2021 No.7314541 >>7313998 cry

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:31:33 2021 No.7314558

>>7312623
For the love of God, someone please just make patches and saves for these so that the 99% who don't know how to do this can play these areas too. Please... I grew up looking at screenshots of these areas. All I could do is watch videos that rolled out during the gigaleak because I didn't know how to access the maps that were discovered because no one helps anyone anymore. It's just "here's a guide, figure it out on your own while I record myself exploring every inch of it for YouTube $". I don't care how pathetic or whiny I sound... I had too much pride to ask for help then, so all I did was lurk. I don't want to miss out on this too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:47:26 2021 No.7314595 >>7314558 There's nothing to "play". The levels are empty. All that's there is what you can see.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:48:09 2021 No.7314596
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>>7314558
Working on a rough draft of a guide for anons like you and me, currently trying to familiarize myself with some stuff and asking around. Hang in there anon. Though, someone will probably compile something before I finish, it'll be good for future situations like this. Patience

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:04:59 2021 No.7314629 >>7314558 Someone is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:09:31 2021 No.7314636 >>7314558 https://twitter.com/zel640/status/1351919624091271169 https://twitter.com/zel640/status/1352052124000124931

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:50:00 2021 No.7314759 >>7314558 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A3zLHoJHWTNLFxF5oQlpdbYbZCGeHH1M/edit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:57:14 2021 No.7314782 >>7314558 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHWcylaYDk4

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:03:06 2021 No.7314943 File: 1.82 MB, 3040x1440, Screenshot_20210120-203152_M64Plus FZ Pro.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In Gerudo, it says "suna no minzoku". Is that supposed to mean anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:08:01 2021 No.7314954 File: 11 KB, 658x223, asd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7314943 >suna It literally means sand people

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:09:43 2021 No.7314961 >>7314954 Thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 04:11:16 2021 No.7315403 >>7309582 >Shadow Medallion made you invisible to enemies before they made it double defense. What are you talking about? When did the medallions ever do anything in the final game?

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 04:48:16 2021 No.7315440
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>>7314595
So? Why would someone who stared longingly at beta screenshots of Zelda 64 for 22 years settle for a YouTube video? Even if there is nothing to see, don't you think there's some kind of messed up about that logic? I wouldn't be much of a OoT fan if I didn't want to check this stuff out for myself.
>>7314596
Thanks, man.
>>7314636
>>7314759
Dude, you rock! Thank you so much for this, you have no idea how this just made my night. Just to be able to walk around pic related--even without the Poe!--is like a dream come true for me. :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 04:51:03 2021 No.7315445 >>7314943 Whoa, so not only it is a 1997 era Gerudo Valley, but the Gerudo alphabet was already in place at this point as well? Makes you wonder how early in development they came up with all that stuff.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:02:31 2021 No.7315465

>>7315440
i remember that particular screenshot, it was in one of the first articles talking about the game, i was really excited for Ocarina basically the very moment it was announced and would stare at screenshots for hours , did the same for Majora, actually the only two times i've been mega ultra hype for something to the point on not being able to take it anymore and the game actually delivering and being as good as i thought. Good times, been dead inside since the turn of the millenium, now is surprising if something is not completely shit which is the norm.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:35:22 2021 No.7315518
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>>7314943
Do you know if the pattern at the bottom is in the final game? You can check me on this, but I translated it to "Geldo's Typography". I had a good laugh when I saw the word typography there, but the other word was a bitch to translate since the letters are so smudged. That is until I noticed the same word is written much more clearly in Hyrule Historia (pic related). Was this not in the final game, or am I getting excited over nothing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:36:24 2021 No.7315521 >>7315465 >Good times, been dead inside since the turn of the millenium, Good times indeed man, but that's a long time to be dead inside. Surely you've made some good memories since then.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:58:49 2021 No.7315543
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>>7315518
The carpenter's tent doesn't have any text on it, and I'm pretty sure all the Gerudo text in the final game is just gibberish (usually just the alphabet in order, or in reverse order). They don't actually start spelling real words in Gerudo until BotW.
It's really interesting that in the beta they actually do spell things out like they do for Hylian, and that it says the exact same thing there in Hyrule Hystoria.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 06:31:13 2021 No.7315616
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>>7315543
No way... really? I was sure you were going to say it was in the final game. I can't believe that as early as Spaceworld '97 (at least, this map could be even older) they had developed and finalized the Gerudo alphabet *and* left messages in both English and Japanese. Part of me always doubted the age of some the so-called development materials in Hyrule Historia, but the appearance of that phrase in a 1997 build of the game makes me think that pic related really was drawn/written around that time!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 06:55:30 2021 No.7315680 >>7315403 Nayru's Love barrier effect is called Magic_Dark internally by the game. The barrier would've instead been like a visual cue of you being invisible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 07:04:36 2021 No.7315707 >>7315680 Ah, cool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 10:25:43 2021 No.7316123 bump

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 10:48:28 2021 No.7316187 >>7312520 Anon life is only fun if you're sucking tranny cock 24/7

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 10:55:44 2021 No.7316220 >>7312671 Mods introduced 4 new video game boards that nobody asked for (that are now dead btw) and ruined /vr/ by tampering with what it means to be retro causing a huge influx of /v/ users and shitposters making this place unusable for a few weeks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 11:15:30 2021 No.7316269 Is more stuff coming or it's over?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 11:19:38 2021 No.7316275 >>7316269 Probably over unless the dumper can recover the earlier data on the dev cart which would be nothing short of a miracle, don't count on that happening.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 11:22:40 2021 No.7316282 >>7316269 Maybe another map patch once the older maps get converted and worked on a bit. One of the twitterfags mentioned that not every map would be included in the recently released patch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 11:40:08 2021 No.7316329 Anyone have any info on exporting the map files to .obj or some other common model format?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 12:25:48 2021 No.7316482 Are there only maps, some icons and text in the dev build? No models, textures, animation or sounds?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 12:26:46 2021 No.7316487 File: 104 KB, 288x256, OoTBetaRenders1998.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7316482 sounds/audio were overwritten by the F-Zero data, not sure about models or animations there were some textures though

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 12:29:22 2021 No.7316492 >>7316269 There's other maps but they're so old they're incompatible with the final OoT engine, so we have to wait till they fix them, much like object_human (aka Aria) needed to be tampered with so she could be loaded in-engine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:29:53 2021 No.7316663 >>7309390 you're not funny

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:45:51 2021 No.7316714 >>7314378 >Although they're right about the language I used being kinda cringe and I don't really say those things anymore Kill yourself then retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:49:24 2021 No.7316726 >>7309390 Faux nigger talk goes on >>>/twitter/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:51:16 2021 No.7316731 File: 7 KB, 71x83, 2021-01-21 18_50_38-Window.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Al this romaticism around unifnished beta shit is pretty gay picrel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:54:36 2021 No.7316740 >>7316731 It’s fun to imagine there could be more to it than what meets the eye in terms of story or gameplay, like RE1.5 before we got to play it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:50:18 2021 No.7316951 >>7309574 >>Soul Medallion would have let you control Navi I wonder how they know this, considering the code part is supposed to be lost. Potentially bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:53:13 2021 No.7316957 >>7316951 there's item descriptions

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 15:09:33 2021 No.7317037 >>7316951 Item Get text as well as storyline text wasn't overwritten, however it ends after you get the Master Sword, then the Spaceworld 1997 text begins in the ROM.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 16:54:46 2021 No.7317390 File: 49 KB, 264x198, Nintendo_64_Controller_Gekleurd2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7311932 Funnily enough, those are the colours for the N64 controllers

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 17:31:26 2021 No.7317481 >>7317390 Ah, I never considered that. I doubt it's a coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 18:13:23 2021 No.7317606 >>7314759 Is there any way to get Gameshark cheats to work with this ROM? I've been trying forever to get the Press L to levitate code. Some of these maps are nigh impossible to explore without levitation.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 18:27:54 2021 No.7317660

>They cut all these huge areas and shrunk all the textures to get it to work on the hardware
>They never restored the expansive areas on the 3Ds
What is even the purpose of remasters other than to scam people? How many fucking games had an E3 version that was scaled back then never re-added the cut parts for the remaster? Most likely all of them

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 18:31:32 2021 No.7317681

>>7317660
Are you me? Because I swear, sometimes it feels like I'm the only person who complains about this shit. It pissed me off so much that despite being infamous for its cut content they didn't revisit any of those ideas in the 3DS "remaster". I mean for fuck's sake, the sword beam code still exists in the final game more than 90% complete, they could have at least implemented that. Or a way to beat the running man, or Medallion spells, etc.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 18:51:54 2021 No.7317780
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>>7317681
I mentioned it in the /v/ thread and got dog-pilled by people saying "Why would they change a perfect game" not only completely missing the point, but also doesn't even make sense because they removed all the grit from the games atmosphere. Removed bloodstains and whatnot.

I think in general people on here get pissed when remasters fuck up the style of the game too much (Medieval becoming cartoony, getting the generic unreal 4 engine plastic look, losing all it's edge). The cut content thing just baffles me. I knew it was bad, but THIS bad. This leak is seriously eye opening.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:25:41 2021 No.7317891
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>>7317660
>>7317681
I have no anger left for remakes/remasters, they pretty much always turn out inferior to the original release. If the devs making the remake can't even accurately portray everything shipped with the original release, how can I expect them to competently implement things that not even the original devs were able to fully realize? And that's not even getting into Nintendo specifically, who have the gall to charge $60 for repackaged roms they got off of Google that still have emulator signatures inside of their hex code.

There's only a handful of cases I can think of where a remake/remaster has lived up to the original, let alone surpass it in quality, and they're fringe cases at best. Animal Crossing for the GameCube, which only came out 1 year after the N64 release, and the Taxman & Stealth remakes of Sonic 1/2/CD, which were made by a pair of giga-brain autistic Sonic fans who approached Sega with the game engine they created from scratch to mimic the physics of the classic Sonic games just so they could add QoL changes like 60 fps and widescreen support. All other remakes/remasters that I've witnessed have fallen flat and completely missed the point of the originals and what made them good, and on top of that they usually can't help themselves and start taking liberties with the source material because "we think this is better :)" or "this detail/line/scenario could invoke negative feelings in someone :(".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:28:45 2021 No.7317906 >>7317891 What about REmake? I think that was a case where the devs got to add stuff they had to cut from the original or changed things they didn't like. I could be wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:30:42 2021 No.7317915 >>7317906 I'm not familiar enough with RE to be an authority on those games, I've only played 4 and 5. The remakes do look good but I can't really compare them to the originals.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:42:16 2021 No.7317948
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What pisses me off is Nintendo claiming that the Master Quest version of the game is what Ura Zelda was supposed to be.
Apparently all that differentiated the normal n64 build we ended up getting from the DD builds that were proven to be brutally cut and tampered with over and over again was a couple different spawns for objects and enemies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:09:16 2021 No.7318020 >>7317891 How about age of empires 2 definitive?

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:13:02 2021 No.7318029

>>7317948
> proven to be brutally cut and tampered with over and over again
Where was this proven? As I understand it all of the roms we have for the dd version of zelda were almost exactly the same as the version we got and had very little evidence of stuff being cut.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:21:39 2021 No.7318045 >>7317948 Ura Zelda was never released, so Nintendo can claim anything they want. If they want to call their little dungeon remix hack Ura Zelda they're well within their rights.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:26:05 2021 No.7318053
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>>7318029
Off the top of my head
>Fishing lake became a pond
>Hyrule field got reworked to remove the damn and other details
>Colosseum for dragon boss in fire temple is gone
>God rays in majority of the game are gone
>Water temple had an entire floor removed (this one I'm not complaining about too much)
>Texture resolution is way lower (they could've fixed this in the master quest version, never played it)
>Several rooms removed
I know a bunch of other areas got shrunken down in size but I'm drawing a blank on them. I think the fire temple and water temple got whacked the hardest. I might be wrong on the god rays to, but I didn't notice nearly as many in the base game as I'm seeing in these screenshots.

I actually wonder if making a massive game then cutting it down in size played a huge part in making the game world seem huge. There's a lot of big expansive epic game worlds like OOT but few really sell it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:28:26 2021 No.7318058 File: 2.79 MB, 989x1345, gold standard of remakes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7317891 >All other remakes/remasters that I've witnessed have fallen flat

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:32:34 2021 No.7318068 >>7318053 The picture you posted and all of the things you listed are from years before ura zelda was even an idea. Ura zelda was supposed to come out after ocarina of time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:33:38 2021 No.7318071 >>7318058 Not him and while I do think the ds versions of the dragon quest games are good, the dialogue was changed to be really annoying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:34:55 2021 No.7318075 >>7318071 That's a product of localization, which is something else entirely.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:36:13 2021 No.7318084 >>7318053 God rays?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:38:10 2021 No.7318086 >>7318084 He's complaining that nintendo decided to be a bit more frugal when using semitransparent yellow rectangles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:39:33 2021 No.7318092 >>7318075 Its still a part of the end product that we receive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:43:26 2021 No.7318108 >>7318053 To be honest dude an n64 cart is only so big.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:47:05 2021 No.7318117 >>7318092 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But you do have a point.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:50:19 2021 No.7318129
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>>7318084
These lights. They're all over the leaks. I remember a handful of them in the actual game, and I think they were all portals/warps out of an area. They make areas seem bigger, lost ancient, etc.

>>7318086
>semitransparent yellow rectangles.
>Meaning anything when most things in the game are 6 polygons

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:51:34 2021 No.7318131 File: 94 KB, 1368x714, 1611101733079.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7318084 Another example of god rays.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:52:36 2021 No.7318134 File: 36 KB, 400x300, 1611083699223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7318084 This ones probably my favorite though. The fog looks really good with them.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:53:40 2021 No.7318135

>>7318068
I believe that anon confused you talking about the Ura Zelda DD expansion with how OoT started development for the DD before being moved to cart, but the gigaleak actually had Ura expansion files (set up to load in place of the original game's dungeons) that ended up being early versions of Majora's Mask mini-dungeons. It's just strange and kinda dumb that instead of going "oh yeah, we ended up using the ideas we had for Majora's Mask", which they usually own up to anyway, they pretended like Master Quest was Ura and not just a romhack they threw together for the Gamecube rerelease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9DCjNqXT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8yCNg-6QKY

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:53:54 2021 No.7318136 >>7318129 Because its better to use things like that sparingly. If every place is old and ancient then nothing feels special.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:55:21 2021 No.7318142 >>7318135 See >>7318045

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:58:51 2021 No.7318151
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>>7318142
Uh, yeah, I guess they CAN do whatever they want, but it doesn't mean we have to like it and eat up whatever lies they put out, especially when we now have evidence to the contrary.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:00:24 2021 No.7318158

>>7318136
Yeah. They were used sparingly. In the ANCIENT TEMPLES you explore. They got removed for the same reason everything else was cut back: the N64 build couldn't handle them. Believe it or not game developers go to E3 with versions of their game that look better than the release. Unless you believe the textures were turned way the fuck down because high res textures should be used sparingly.

My original point still stands: Fuck remasters they're a scam.

>>7318151
It's starting to feel like the nintendrones have arrived.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:04:23 2021 No.7318162 >>7308764 BLUE SHELL CONFIRMED

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:04:45 2021 No.7318163 >>7318158 >n64 can't handle quads with semi-transparent texturing you don't think they're real lights, do you? please tell me you aren't this retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:06:15 2021 No.7318167 >>7318158 Oh, no. I'm far from a drone. Sorry if I sounded that way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:11:13 2021 No.7318175 >>7318162 I can see why they removed it. Having the ability to one shot Ganon from anywhere on the map seems like bad design.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:12:43 2021 No.7318181 >>7318158 I'm pretty sure it was an artistic decision. If every other room in the forest temple has that effect it cheapens it.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:24:13 2021 No.7318219

>>7317606
Anyone?
>>7318129
>>7318131
Ah, I gotcha. I agree, the lobby of the Spaceworld 97 Forest Temple is stunning with that light shining down from above. I can't imagine why they'd want fewer instances of that in the game, can't be too memory intensive, can it?
>>7318134
You want to hear something weird? I thought I'd seen every Zelda 64 beta shot a thousand times, but this one is new to me and I only just saw the Spaceworld Deku Tree map for the first time last night. Seeing this same weird room with the carved windows (why would there be windows in the Deku Tree) in one of those ancient IGN64 screenshots after already seeing it for myself, as opposed to the other way around, is really cool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:45:09 2021 No.7318282 >>7318219 >Anyone? https://tcrf.net/Proto:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time_Master_Quest/General_Functions You're going to need this if you've never touched the Debug ROM before today.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:48:29 2021 No.7318293 >>7308764 >Ocarina of Time has the N64 button layout Guess it was too on the nose to keep.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:50:54 2021 No.7318301 >>7309367 This actually reminds me of the Yiga Clan Hideout in BotW, both the hidden underground city and the story-high bridge, though I'm guessing this was quickly repurposed into the OoT Water Temple.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:53:25 2021 No.7318310 >>7318282 Well, I mean... I did, but how was I supposed to know there were button codes? Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:04:49 2021 No.7318346 >>7318219 Why would the deku tree have doors?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:05:44 2021 No.7318348 File: 12 KB, 76x82, benis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7308752

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:06:46 2021 No.7318349 >>7318346 ...Touché.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:08:57 2021 No.7318360 All this beta stuff makes me wanna replay Oot. Should I go for the 3ds version or the original?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:11:24 2021 No.7318364 >>7318360 Depends on how autistic you are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:12:08 2021 No.7318368 >>7318364 Very

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:13:47 2021 No.7318374 >>7318368 Do a randomizer run then

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:16:06 2021 No.7318381 >>7318368 n64 v1.0 or randomizer like other anon said.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:20:09 2021 No.7318387

>>7318360
What these Anons >>7318374
>>7318381 said. Do a randomize run. After all, what better way to revisit your memories of a classic game than by making it random, nonsensical, and unbeatable? They're not retarded at all, this is rock solid advice!

Play the original N64 release, avoid the 3DS port like the plague.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:24:38 2021 No.7318395 >>7318387 It's only unbeatable if you don't know how the game works. If you're already familiar with the game, why not play it in unfamiliar ways?

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:27:58 2021 No.7318404

>>7318395
Because some people care about the story and the story is contingent on characters and items being in places where they were actually intended to be? Randomizers are for people who play the game regularly and have played it to death. But it sounds like he played it in a long time, and what's more, he wants to play it because he's feeling nostalgic for the game. There's nothing nostalgic about playing a randomized rom hack.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:37:42 2021 No.7318430 >>7318387 I think you can set the randomizer to either require glitches or not require them to beat the game. It should be beatable though. >>7318404 Pretty sure the randomizer still has all the cutscenes and story.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:38:16 2021 No.7318431

>>7318404
That Anon's very autistic, and because he's hanging around /vr/ of all places looking into leaked beta content for OoT, he's likely familiar enough with the game to be eligible for randomizer. He doesn't have to keep the game intact to "care about the story" because the story isn't long or complicated, you should know it after one, maybe two playthroughs. And I doubt he'd get stuck like your retarded ass who doesn't know any of the triggers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:48:56 2021 No.7318459 >>7313689 They literally did release beta patches you whiny fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:50:38 2021 No.7318463 >>7318360 3ds version is fine, worth it for the 30fps alone. Just emulate it at 1080p and its the definitive way to play the game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:55:04 2021 No.7318478 >>7318463 inb4 someone tells you you're an idiot because of the 3ds version not being as dark, and the way ganondorfs text is displayed, and so on and so on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:00:45 2021 No.7318493 >>7318463 >"Let's not hurt anyone's fee fees" version >Definitive Okay retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:06:08 2021 No.7318506 >>7317390 It's not that surprising, the four main 'primary' colours and black and white

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:11:15 2021 No.7318516 >>7318493 >>"Let's not hurt anyone's fee fees" version what? explain this and if its because ganondorfs blood is diffent coloured or theres hint stones you can literally ignore youre just retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:14:56 2021 No.7318525 >>7318516 He might mean the fire temples original music and the crescent moons. Those were removed in later versions of the original game though so idk.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:22:03 2021 No.7318550

>>7318516
if you're already aware of some of the revisions made, then why did you ask? Yes, the 3DS version lacks things included in the original, so it is not definitive, whether you care about those things or not. The definitive version won't exist until the game is fully decompiled.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:35:37 2021 No.7318579

>>7318550
Ganondorfs blood was in v1.2 of the 64 version tho, same with the moons and shit. The only new change again was hints which you can avoid. theres absolutely no reason to play the n64 version unless youre a nostalgiafag who loves 20fps, low resolution, slow text speed gameplay. the 3ds "remake" is literally a port with updated graphics

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:37:35 2021 No.7318583 File: 1.78 MB, 3772x2700, 1597280449821.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7318360 3DS one takes out a lot of the edge in the graphics. That could be a good or bad thing to you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:43:27 2021 No.7318594 >>7318579 >the 3ds "remake" is literally a port with updated graphics And a downgraded art style

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:45:48 2021 No.7318604

>>7318594
it has the exact same art style as the 64 version you retard, the only difference is the n64 was so shit that it barely looked anything like it. look at any OoT original artwork and you'll realise that it looks much closer to the 3ds remake than the original n64

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:47:19 2021 No.7318606 >>7318579 >v1.2 Not the original. All of that is irrelevant anyway, even the part where you contradicted yourself in the same post. Bottom line is: the 3DS version isn't definitive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 23:49:08 2021 No.7318609 >>7318604 >it has the exact same art style as the 64 version you retard Aside from completely changing the color palette, tone, etc to make it more manchild friendly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:21:01 2021 No.7318665 >>7318609 some of the animations were changed (for the worse) when they bumped the framerate up from 20 to 30 also

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:25:30 2021 No.7318678 Watching manchildren battle to the death over which version of the same product is superior will never not be entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:29:31 2021 No.7318684 >>7318678 the new art style and animations bother me. it's not my fault nintendo/grezzo had to make everything look so goofy for 3ds

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:30:30 2021 No.7318686 >>7318684 See? This shit writes itself it's hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:33:12 2021 No.7318698 >>7318686 only thing thats hilarious is that you wont admit im right

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:34:45 2021 No.7318704 >>7317915 REmake 1 added back an entire subplot that was cut from the original PS1 release.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:37:11 2021 No.7318714 >>7318698 Yes, yes. Continue to struggle for your corporate overlords.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:41:13 2021 No.7318723 File: 391 KB, 1200x1943, 81lAxGipt8L.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7318714 im not the one pretending there's nothing wrong with soulless remakes and ports here

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:44:31 2021 No.7318729 >>7318723 Yes, I know. And it's hilarious watching the two of you go at it. Or it was. Your opponent seems to have left. Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:52:36 2021 No.7318743 >>7318729 that wasnt me i was agreeing with the guy(s) already shitting on the 3ds ver. but youre still a faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 01:18:32 2021 No.7318783 If it’s possible to recover this much shit from an overwritten cart, what about that other mega man 64 cart that used to have Biohazard 0 on it?

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 01:31:19 2021 No.7318806

>>7318783
While that was the same situation we have now, a game with a smaller file size being written onto a dev cart that was holding a game with a larger file size, a completely unsubstantiated source I found after a few minutes of Google searching says that the MM64 cart was dumped and picked through just like this F-Zero X cart, but instead of leftover Biohazard 0 data they found two instances of MM64. Capcom had purposely overwritten any leftover data with MM64, presumably to ensure that none of it would fuck with the game they were trying to test.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 01:38:51 2021 No.7318824 >>7318806 Fucking Capcom

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:06:13 2021 No.7318853 >>7318219 >Spaceworld Deku Tree map which one?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:38:08 2021 No.7318908 >>7318853 The huge one with the white "windows" with light coming through. According to the text found in the overdump, it had a gimmick of saving fairies, similar to TP saving monkeys. The first fairy you save would be Navi.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 03:52:56 2021 No.7319039
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A lot of these maps give me TP vibes. Speaking of TP, has any beta content been dug up for it? Stuff I remember from screenshots:
>Gohma chasing Link in a large cave
>Seasonal system, multiple screenshots of Hyrule in winter, fall, and normal.
>Large river/fishing area that looks nothing like the final game
>Lots of trees in Hyrule Field
>Castle town was a lot more brown
>Ordon woods was literally a woodland area (pic related)
>Magic meter
Probably more I'm forgetting. Supposedly TP was ready to ship in Summer 2005 but they delayed the game by over a year to rework it for the Wii. I wonder how different the original version would've been if it was just on GameCube. During interviews with Aonuma, he said their original goal with TP was to do what they couldn't do with Ocarina.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 03:57:44 2021 No.7319048 >/v/ thread finally comfy for once >Janny Tranny forgot to dilate this morning and bombs it out of sheer assmad Bravo

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 03:58:49 2021 No.7319053

>>7318506
There are only three main colours. Green is a secondary colour. Whoever the final build of the game features both the three primary colours Red, Yellow and Blue, along with all secondary colours Purple, Green and Orange.
t. studied Graphic Design

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 04:01:51 2021 No.7319061 wtf happened to that /v/ thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 04:15:16 2021 No.7319079 >>7319061 v isn't actually for games so they bitched about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 05:29:59 2021 No.7319205 remember when everyone was saying gigaleak 2.0 would happen in december, which came and went with nary a crumb? this prototype was a nice consolation prize

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:14:51 2021 No.7319306

>>7318908
>According to the text found in the overdump, it had a gimmick of saving fairies, similar to TP saving monkeys.
What text? It was also mentioned earlier in the thread that they'd recovered some story text, but where? Did someone make a pastebin or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:20:26 2021 No.7319324 >>7318583 All of these are disgusting, but that slash on the original Lake Hylia tree... was the lore behind the slash, anyway?

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:24:33 2021 No.7319334

>>7318431
>He doesn't have to keep the game intact to "care about the story" because the story isn't long or complicated, you should know it after one, maybe two playthroughs.
That's not the point, you tard. It's like you have no concept of revisiting a game you have nostalgia for. Who cares if you remember the story, the idea is to fucking experience the story and the game as they were designed all over again. Just because you're bored with the base game and need a randomizer to spice it up doesn't mean someone who's going back to it after not playing it for a long time will feel the same way.
>>7318459
That post was literally written before the patches were released, dumbfuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:55:37 2021 No.7319426 >>7312605 >Attaque Disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:37:32 2021 No.7319516 >>7319324 The slash never amounted to anything. It was just something left over from early in development that autists speculated endlessly about. It was removed because it was an oversight to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:39:27 2021 No.7319524 >>7318609 No the colours and brightness were changed because you would be looking at it on a small screen where you may have to turn brightness down to preserve battery life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:50:08 2021 No.7319557 >>7309381 That green purse actually is in the data for Majora’s Mask retail which is neat.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:02:25 2021 No.7319706

>>7317660
majora's mask did that and people complained though

>>7317891
>who have the gall to charge $60 for repackaged roms they got off of Google
people actually talked about this in the /v/ threads, the "roms they got off google" was only for some of the NES VC on wii because apparently nintendo doesn't have the original files for those games anymore, everything else was done in house because they started keeping shit safe since the snes (and we saw that with the recent leaks)
>that still have emulator signatures inside of their hex code.
what does this even mean

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:05:32 2021 No.7319713 >>7318131 it's been a while now but wasn't the forest temple all dark and shit? What would've been the point of light entering from above?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:06:47 2021 No.7319717 >>7319306 ye, here https://pastebin.com/jqEpFpht it's in japanese but you can get the gist of it with a translator

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:09:05 2021 No.7319721 >>7318583 why is the slash comparison made from two completely different angles?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:24:34 2021 No.7319774 >>7319713 Makes it look less like a museum and more like a greenhouse-ish place what with the glass dome in the middle and all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:29:22 2021 No.7319792 >>7319774 yeah but it would not be dark and stuff with a light source like that, that's what i meant. Maybe they removed it because they just changed what they wanted the forest temple to be

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 10:08:53 2021 No.7319914

>>7319706
>that still have emulator signatures inside of their hex code.
>what does this even mean
Not original anon, and I can't remember the exact details, but Nintendo just lifted someone's open-source emulator and used it somehow (for profit, of course). It was likely a lot more involved that this, but you sometimes get "signatures" in software; someone writes their name in ascii directly into the binary. Some autistic discovered Nintendo used someone else's emulator via similar means Or perhaps it had easily identifiable errors in emulation specific to that emulator or something. Regardless, some kind of fingerprint.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 10:27:05 2021 No.7319976 >>7319717 Gracias

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 10:50:38 2021 No.7320038

>>7319717
>I saw an angel!
>I don't think it belongs to this world.
>A girl like a divine angel ...
>The girl is in the courtyard
>She was playing with a beautiful Hakuba ...
> What? how did she enter the courtyard of the castle?
>I can't say that!
It's possible that this NPC is referring to Malon, though no one in the game ever describers her as angelic. Is it possible that Zelda's horse (Hakuba means 'white horse') would have once played a larger role in the game?

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 10:58:31 2021 No.7320068

>Do you see that mountain?
>That is Hebra Mountain ...
>Also known as Death Mountain
>It's a volcano where the Gorons live.
>Goron is a strange guy,
>It's usually curled up like a rock.
> Make a bomb, crush the rock with it,
>He seems to be eating the rock.
Long before Breath of the Wild made Hebra Mountain its own distinct area, Hebra was used to name the Light World version of Death Mountain in A Link to the Past. Looks like Nintendo once considered using this alternate name in OoT as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 11:16:19 2021 No.7320117 >>7319334 You can't experience the story if you already know it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 11:20:04 2021 No.7320134 >>7320117 >You can't experience the story if you already know it. This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. I'd ask if you've never re-read a novel before, but you've already established that you aren't the reading type.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 11:25:01 2021 No.7320147 >>7319717 >Deku Tree Sama >Jara is the destination after passing through this grassy maze. >But because Molyblin is jammed to Deku Tree Sama >Jara can't go easily Seems the Kokiri had an annoying verbal tic where they said 'jara' in every sentence.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 11:26:27 2021 No.7320151

>>7319914
what is this referring to specifically? The anon said 60 bucks so i'm guessing the 3d mario collection but that was done completely in house, apparently nintendo of europe worked on it for like 6 months and it shows given they left some stuff like the meme dev cubes in sunshine (which they later fixed)
then again, it's not something new, sony also used pcsx rearmed for the playstation classic and the ps2 emulator they have on ps3 and ps4 is an old version of pcsx2

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 11:36:14 2021 No.7320189

>>7320134
It's very simple actually. If you know what's going to happen, even partly, then the story is not as impactful or meaningful than it was when you first experienced it. Have you ever heard someone say that they wish they could erase their memories of a game so they could play it for the first time all over again? Well that's the experience you're trying to peddle to someone who's already played the game. I get the feeling that you're trying to pick a fight with me just because I made fun of you for being shit at OoT randomizer, you're saying things just to oppose me, not because what you have to say is substantial enough to actually contribute to your argument.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 11:39:17 2021 No.7320205 >>7320147 We've known this for years since Saria says jara in the final Japanese game if you speak to her wearing either the skull or spooky mask, and says "ooops, my accent slipped out"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 12:16:48 2021 No.7320294 >>7320038 Hes probably talking about zelda.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 12:22:45 2021 No.7320302 >>7319717 >>7319306 There's ba proper translation over st TCRF

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:28:35 2021 No.7320469 >>7320205 got a source for this? I can't find anything on it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:40:12 2021 No.7320506 >>7315521 Not really i wish i had died on 2001. Actually, the world actually ending on 2000 would have been ok in retrospect and in many ways it did.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:41:02 2021 No.7320509 >>7320205 >leaving in a reference to the old speech style in a small easter egg That's actually really cute.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:43:18 2021 No.7320519 >>7320509 Nah thats localization bullshit. Should have just straight translated the line.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:53:46 2021 No.7320565 >>7320519 We're talking about the final Japanese script referencing the prototype Japanese script, idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 15:44:19 2021 No.7321006 >>7315465 >actually the only two times i've been mega ultra hype for something to the point on not being able to take it anymore and the game actually delivering and being as good as i thought. were you 12 then by chance?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 16:14:25 2021 No.7321082 >>7318583 jesus that looks awful, how does majora's mask compare? worse i assume

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 16:17:00 2021 No.7321091 >>7321082 Always post this video when talking about the 3DS MM remake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653wuaP0wzs I'd imagine they did the graphics similarly, but they also majorly fucked up the gameplay in that one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 16:23:51 2021 No.7321098 >>7317606 https://bruceivshankle.wixsite.com/centralocarina/discussion

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:22:41 2021 No.7321305 >>7321091 Thankfully the restoration hack is complete and works like a charm on a real 3DS.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:33:09 2021 No.7321330

>>7320189
>I get the feeling that you're trying to pick a fight with me just because I made fun of you for being shit at OoT randomizer
It has nothing to do with that. YOU made it about that, as I've never even used a randomizer before. This is now about your autistic failure to understand why someone would want to enjoy something they haven't experienced in years *out of nostalgia*. And I mean literally autistic, because you're projecting your experience with the game (being so overly familiar with the game that you need a randomizer to make it enjoyable again) onto someone who simply said they were feeling NOSTALGIC for the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:39:23 2021 No.7321359 >>7320294 Right, that's why I was saying the white horse could be Zelda's. >>7321098 Thanks!

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:42:39 2021 No.7321373

>>7321330
>I've never even used a randomizer before
So you've admitted that you were just talking out of your ass and have no idea how randomizer works. That's all I wanted to hear. Fact of the matter is that we can bicker all we want about how that Anon should play the game, but at the end of the day neither of us are that Anon, we don't know how familiar he is with OoT, how long it's been since he's played it or how many times he's played it. Your interpretation of his experience with the game is worth just as much as mine: jack shit. I just wanted to grill you about your "experience" with randomizer and now I've gotten what I wanted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:56:36 2021 No.7321437 Its like they made F-Zero X just to specifically overwrite the best parts of the proto

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:15:16 2021 No.7321496 >>7321437 Honestly, I think what we're left with are the real best parts. Actors and such wouldn't be much help without the maps and such.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:34:52 2021 No.7321582
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OoT-related question:
Are there any mods of OoT that make the rupee sound less of an ear-rape? I have a friend that I think would like to play it, but they're actually autistic (as opposed to internet "autistic") and I know that the moment that they grab a rupee and hear KEEREE they'll drop it immediately.

Anything of the sort, lads? Like some kind modern audio overhaul mod?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:35:42 2021 No.7321590 >>7321582 you should probably just consider killing your friend and finding a new one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:39:41 2021 No.7321617 >>7321582 Well, you might consider doing it yourself https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zelda64/oot-dbg-overwriting-sound-effects-with-custom-wav--t605.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:40:53 2021 No.7321626 >>7321617 >https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zelda64/oot-dbg-overwriting-sound-effects-with-custom-wav--t605.html Now that's an idea! Thanks, laddy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:40:58 2021 No.7321628 >>7321582 Good bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:49:24 2021 No.7321659 >>7321373 Autism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:56:59 2021 No.7321692 >>7321659 Autism that you've lost to. It might benefit you to look inwards to your own autism, lest your lack of self-awareness make a fool out of you again, as it has today.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:58:42 2021 No.7321704 >>7321626 If you actually do it, please release it as a ROM or IPS patch. Thanks.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:24:23 2021 No.7321834

im really excited now at the prospect of someone making a full on romhack with all of this stuff

i was happy as a pig in shit when i found out that someone did that for the pokemon spaceworld stuff

(and to be kind to anyone else who may be interested i will share that here: https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=430526))

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:31:12 2021 No.7321878
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>>7321692
You're not even talking to me, genius. That's someone else.
> lest your lack of self-awareness make a fool out of you again, as it has today.
Says the guy who literally said, and I quote,
>You can't experience the story if you already know it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:32:16 2021 No.7321883 File: 5 KB, 1008x80, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7321692 >>7321878 Forgot this.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:35:08 2021 No.7321898

>>7321834
>im really excited now at the prospect of someone making a full on romhack with all of this stuff
From what I can tell, the early Deku Tree was probably in an almost finished state. If someone were to add enemies and boss as well as a few ladders for the places that Child Link can't reach, they could easily finish it and incorporate it into a hack.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:45:12 2021 No.7321932
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>>7321496
On the one hand, I agree simply because it's damn magical to be able to actually see the rest of beta areas like >>7318134. Seriously, who in the past 20 years has ever looked at that screenshot and thought they'd ever be able to see the rest of that room? I mean, really, we're so blessed to be able to actually see that for ourselves outside of these crunchy old IGN64 screenshots. What a time to be alive!

But, on the other hand, what we don't have are
>early versions of the game's songs/cut songs
>cut character dialogue and storylines (aside from the bits that were leftover, which mostly follows the same course of events)
>beta skybox/weather effects
>cut items (aside from the icons)
There's still so much we haven't seen, but I'm thankful for what we got.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:52:20 2021 No.7321961 >>7321582 Turn the volume down or off?

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:52:55 2021 No.7321962

>>7321878
>You're not even talking to me, genius.
Yes I am. When that Anon decided to respond, and you didn't, he took up your mantle, assumed your role. For that post, he was you. That's how the whole anonymous thing works, you only exist as an idea. And you're still obsessed about that whole argument about enjoying story? Like I said before, that was all just bait to get you to admit that you don't know the first thing about randomizers while you were trying to pretend that you have experience in them. If it's been eating you up for so long I guess I can grant you the mercy of conceding, only to spare the rest of the thread from this faggotry. So here you are: I concede. You're welcome.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:59:44 2021 No.7321981

>>7321962
>Yes I am. When that Anon decided to respond, and you didn't, he took up your mantle, assumed your role. For that post, he was you. That's how the whole anonymous thing works, you only exist as an idea.
I pretty much stopped reading here. I see how your brain functions now. You say shit that's patently absurd and then you're called out on it you backpedal and try to pretend it was just bait. This is over as far I'm concerned. Good night.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 22:32:00 2021 No.7322525

妖精デクの樹 The Fairy Deku Tree
ドドンゴの洞窟 Dodongo's Cavern
スペシアルコース Special Course
森の神殿 Forest Temple
炎の神殿 Fire Temple
水の神殿 Water Temple
邪神ディンの像 Statue of the Evil Goddess Din
闇の神殿 Shadow Temple
ガノンの塔 Ganon's Tower

Well we know who the goddess desert statue is

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 22:33:02 2021 No.7322528 >>7321834 They made a rom hack with the ALTTP prototype content too

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 22:44:08 2021 No.7322546
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>>7322525
>Well we know who the goddess desert statue is
Holy shit, the goddess of power originally rebelled/fell and thus why Ganondorf represents the Triforce of Power, why the fuck isn't this lore in the final game?!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 22:57:52 2021 No.7322575 >>7322528 Say what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 22:59:12 2021 No.7322580 >>7322546 Doesn't necessarily mean that at all. Could just as easily be that the Gerudo see Din as an evil goddesss. Like how the Jews view Jesus Christ

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 23:50:07 2021 No.7322710 >>7322575 search for "A Link to the Proto"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 23:51:25 2021 No.7322714 >>7322580 That makes even less sense since if they just saw Din as evil then they probably wouldn't even acknowledge Ganondorf as their leader. >>7322580 >Like how the Jews view Jesus Christ Oh so you're just screwing with us.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 23:52:47 2021 No.7322718

>>7308752
English translated text dump: https://tcrf.net/Proto:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Late_1997_Overdump/Text
>The fairies we're given will help us in all kinds of ways until we become adults.
>We'll all grow up together, and we'll all be together when we die too. That way we won't ever be lonely.
Did Kokiri use to grow up?
>>7322546
Holy shit indeed! See, I love, love, love discoveries like this, but on the other hand it drives me crazy that there will probably never be an interview with Miyamoto or Aonuma where either are asked to comment on these old discarded(?) ideas. Just like the Sonic community with its Sonic betas, we're cursed with a mountain of puzzle pieces and only a handful of concrete answers. It's as frustrating as it is thrilling, no?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 23:54:54 2021 No.7322724 >>7322714 >Oh so you're just screwing with us. He's grossly exaggerating, but actually, 2nd century rabbinic tradition did hold that Jesus was an evil magician and heretic that went around leading Jews astray with sorcery.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:04:17 2021 No.7322751
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>>7322718
>Lon Lon Ranch Shop
>Temporarily Closed
>Lon Lon Ranch Shop
>Open for business!
Confirmation that this prerender found the Gigaleak absolutely was a Lon Lon Shop! The more we learn about Ocarina of Time's prehistory, the more Majora's Mask made use of a lot of unused ideas, much how Ura Zelda/the 64DD expansion was going to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:05:56 2021 No.7322757 File: 161 KB, 760x310, Ganondorf-WTF.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7322546 >"Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" had an in-universe mythology explanation. Damn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:06:47 2021 No.7322760 >>7322714 >then they probably wouldn't even acknowledge Ganondorf as their leader. And why not? That makes no sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:10:48 2021 No.7322772 >>7322546 On top of that, dialogue found in this prototype has Zelda stating outright that her dreams/visions of a forest boy with a fairy were shown to her by Naryu. The goddesses seemed to have more of an active role in this version of the game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:13:10 2021 No.7322776 >>7322760 Since the Triforce of Power represents the evil goddess Din then that will cause all sorts of problems when Ganondorf gets it and Nabooru wouldn't be the only Gerudo standing against him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:15:41 2021 No.7322783 >>7322776 But Nabooru isn't the only one against him in the final game. A decent number of them turn against Ganondorf when he takes control in OoT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:20:32 2021 No.7322790 File: 1.05 MB, 1376x1404, cc81113f41bdf4f958877dd20c402ce9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7322772 It baffles me that Hyrule Historia would bring back >>7315616 but not lore like this. Don't tell me Farore got snubbed again.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:21:35 2021 No.7322795
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>>7322546
The map they show when Din creates "the red earth" is Gerudo Valley, right?
And the oracle of seasons, Din, named after the goddess, is a Gerudo as well, right? Brown skin, taller than Link or other guys, red hair.

What if Encyclopedia isn't completely bullshit and the Desert Colossus IS Din and she's declared evil from the perspective of Hylians?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:25:04 2021 No.7322802 >>7322790 If Farore has a hand in any of it, it's not mentioned in the text that we have, which I believe only goes up to when Link obtains the Master Sword.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:25:22 2021 No.7322803 >>7322776 >>7322783 It seems the Gerudo were much more hostile and less neutral in the original version of the story in this build, as people warn that they are attacking during night time in Hyrule Field (instead of it being Stalchildren)

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:26:04 2021 No.7322805
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From Link's first encounter with Ganondorf, at the Castle Town drawbridge:
>Arrrrgh! I lost her!
>Hey! You, over there!
>Little kid!
>You must have just seen the white horse gallop past the gates just now! Which way did it go, spill it!!
This part is essentially the same as the final. However, you originally had the option to have Link answer him:
>A) Who cares!?
>B) Straight on ahead.
>C) It turned and went left.
If A or C, Ganondorf would've replied:
>Heh heh heh...
>You're a stupid kid for defying me.
But if you told the truth:
>You're an honest one, kid.
>Heh heh heh...
Then after blasting Link with magic:
>Pathetic little fool!
>You'd better remember my face...
>This world will soon be all mine.
>The Gerudo King of Thieves...
>Ganondorf!!

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:30:38 2021 No.7322815
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>>7322795
>And the oracle of seasons, Din, named after the goddess, is a Gerudo as well, right? Brown skin, taller than Link or other guys, red hair.
...Hoooo-leeee sheeeit. Even without this new statue info, how did I not make that connection before?!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:31:28 2021 No.7322817 File: 5 KB, 199x144, 1611200633484.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7322815 It's the first thing I noticed as a teenager. I just went "oh yes, delicious brown Gerudo"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:32:31 2021 No.7322818 >>7322803 It's been ages since I played that far in Majora's Mask, but weren't they more villainous in that game too? Could be yet another idea carried over from prerelease OoT.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:35:38 2021 No.7322828

>>7322818
Probably, Majora's Mask seems to use plenty of ideas from Zelda 64 and Ura Zelda (The "Shadow Magic" making you invisible is so clearly the Stone Mask in effect).

The Gerudo Pirates are a lot less neutral and a lot more ruthless and cruel than the Gerudo Thieves from Hyrule. Just look how they wrecked Lulu's room.

While the Gerudo Thieves just follow orders but really don't do all that much besides protecting the fortress under the command of Ganon and Twinrova while Ganon primarily uses the Demon Tribe (Moblins, Stalfos, Wallmasters, Gohma, etc etc etc.) as his main force.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:39:21 2021 No.7322832 >>7322805 kino

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:53:48 2021 No.7322850
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Darunia originally lost the Goron's Ruby inside of Dodongo Cavern while running away from a Dodongo:
>This is just between you and me, but...
>I was exploring Dodongo's Cavern when a Dodongo came chasing me! I accidentally dropped the Goron's Ruby while I was running away...
>It's a secret to everybody!

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:54:11 2021 No.7322851
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>>7322783
..No? One of the Gossip Stones even claims that "Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god." The only thing I can think of are the Iron Knuckles, which are Gerudo if you look closely but it's barely touched upon in the final game. There's a line stating that Nabooru "is experimenting in brainwashing many people at the ruins in the desert," which I think is either a mistranslation or implied to be Twinrova propaganda. Either way it's suggested that Ganondorf was mistreating his people but it could be read as being other rebels like Nabooru.
>>7322795
>Encyclopedia was never "complete" bullshit, just "mixed" bullshit because there was no way to verify which parts were from developer documents and which parts were their fanmade interpretation. The swapped placement of OoS/A & LA was reused on the official series website timeline after all. This somewhat aligns with the proto-text, so the simplest explanation is that it's correct in this instance. The final game probably changed it to some nondescript "goddess of the sand" because someone (probably Miyamoto) had second thoughts about depicting different sects of the same mythology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:57:17 2021 No.7322854 >>7322815 Din doesnt have a giant nose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 00:59:54 2021 No.7322865 >>7322854 Oracle artstyle is more cutesy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:04:14 2021 No.7322876 >>7317660 >oh no, they never put back huge empty areas that you would have to walk through every time that were redesigned for a reason and in some instances possibly even made just for promo shots It's a remaster, not a remake

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:07:15 2021 No.7322878 Oh great, the Nintendo apologists are back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:08:47 2021 No.7322880 >>7322851 >...No? The fact you see Gerudo celebrating alongside the other races during the ending sequence says otherwise. Why would they celebrate their leader's demise?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:13:24 2021 No.7322890

>>7322854
You could've mentioned that she has pointy ears, but that's what you're going with? BotW has a few Gerudo without big noses, and besides, it's not like Capcom to draw an anime style girl without a perfectly cute button nose.
>>7322880
Not him, but they were clearly deceived or brainwashed (as Nabooru later became) prior to his defeat.
>I've seen your fine work. To get past the guards here, you must have good thieving skills.
>I used to think that all men, besides the great Ganondorf, were useless...but now that I've seen you, I don't think so anymore! The exalted Nabooru, our leader, put me in charge of this fortress. Nabooru is the second-in-command
to the great Ganondorf, King of the Gerudo Thieves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:16:26 2021 No.7322893 File: 29 KB, 640x480, 12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7319039 I remember there being quite a few promo shots of areas that aren't in the final game A lot of Link interacting with animals

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:26:47 2021 No.7322913
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THIS GAME USED TO HAVE HOTELS AND IT ANNOYS ME THAT THEY AXED THEM

Zora hotel:

>The Zora Prince Hotel offers wake-up calls as one of its many services.
>Welcome, is what I'd normally say, but...

The receptionist isn't sure whether or not he can allow a Hylian to stay at the hotel. Gotta go talk to King Zora first:

>Oh, I'm absolutely worried sick...
>My beloved Princess Ruto went to feed Lord Jabu-Jabu, and hasn't returned ever since...
>What's that? You know where she is?
>...Inside of Lord Jabu-Jabu's belly!? That's impossible! Lord Jabu-Jabu is our guardian! He would never eat the princess! Although, ever since that Ganondorf man came here, Lord Jabu-Jabu has been acting very strange... >Very well, I'll allow you to see Lord Jabu-Jabu. You also have my permission to stay at the Zora Prince Hotel! >In exchange, however...
>Please, bring my beloved Ruto back as soon as possible!

Back to the Zora Prince Hotel:

>Welcome...
>All guests of the King are welcome here... Oh, don't worry, we won't be charging you for your stay!
>Will you be staying here?
>Yep!
>Nope..
>Would you like to receive a wake-up call?
>Absolutely!
>Do Not Disturb!
>When would you like for us to wake you up?
>6:00AM
>8:00AM

This is especially frustrating because, while we've always known the game had an internal clock, the only instance where the time gets references is when you strike a Gossip Stone with your sword.

>In that case, we'll wake you up at 10:00AM.
>Good morning!
>We await your next stay here!

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:30:29 2021 No.7322925
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>>7322890
>You could've mentioned that she has pointy ears, but that's what you're going with?
Don't they? They might not be as pointy as Hylian ears but two things: 1) in Breath of the Wild, if it takes place afterwards, they absolutely are, 2) in A Link to the Past, Oracles' prequel, the Hylian race was considered to have died out and the current people are their descendants, so likely the same applies to Gerudos in this timeline and Din is of Gerudo/Hylian heritage.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:33:46 2021 No.7322929

>>7322913
The 1996 trailer with the sunset shows they already had an in-game day and nnight cycle working during the A+B era of development. Most likely it meant 8AM in-game. Imagine how fucking annoying would be having to do a dungeon precisely at 10 AM IRL because of real time clock when you're at school.
Only Zelda game with a real time clock was Zelda Gaiden, since it was Koizumi's original cops and robbers concept.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:34:26 2021 No.7322934 Ruto sounds just a tad more tsundere in her beta Jabu Jabu lines: >Y-you're late! >What were you doing, you dummy!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:37:00 2021 No.7322938 >>7322934 Are those different from her release Japanese lines

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:40:34 2021 No.7322946

>>7322929
>Most likely it meant 8AM in-game.
Yup. The game does have it's clock system, and I think the debug ROM even keeps a counter of many days have passed in-game, but AFAIK none of it ever has an effect on anything. The only way to even tell the time is to hit a Gossip Stone.
>Only Zelda game with a real time clock was Zelda Gaiden, since it was Koizumi's original cops and robbers concept.
Is that just hearsay or do we know for a fact that was the original plan for Zelda Gaiden?
>>7322938
They're similar to her final lines in the english version at least, dunno about a literal translation of the Japanese release. Would be cool if that existed.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:41:46 2021 No.7322949

>>7322946
>Is that just hearsay or do we know for a fact that was the original plan for Zelda Gaiden?
Old interviews, Iwata Asks, and the interview for Majora's Mask 3D.

TCRF Must have them sourced over at their pre-release article.
I think the books also mention it but I don't recall rn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:43:02 2021 No.7322951 >>7322925 >in A Link to the Past, Oracles' prequel, the Hylian race was considered to have died out and the current people are their descendants wait what

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:44:46 2021 No.7322956

>>7322951
Not died out, but their bloodline is thinnening. ALttP was the first time we see round-eared humans. There's still some pointy-eared Hylians, Link himself being a direct descendant of a Hylian knight hence his destiny to defeat Ganon, but there are plenty rounded eared humans.

TP has the same thing where there are round-eared people The bloodline thinnening was a theme they had for a while.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:46:08 2021 No.7322958
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>>7322925
I just always assumed that, because Ganondorf has round ears, as well as Nabooru in her official art, that the pointy ears of their in-game models was an oversight. In the 3DS remake they are much rounder (pic related). But point taken re: the BotW Gerudo, I hadn't even noticed their pointy ears.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:49:57 2021 No.7322969 >>7322913 I also found some stuff about Ingo running an inn, but Google Translate is absolute rubbish so I'm hoping TCRF makes a legible translation of it soon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 01:53:39 2021 No.7322976 >>7322805 Oh, and originally Ganondorf descended upon Hyrule Castle with a full gang of Gerudo! >What's going on? A gang of Gerudo showed up all of a sudden... >Wasn't that Princess Zelda riding on the white horse?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 02:15:41 2021 No.7323021

>>7322956
>Not died out, but their bloodline is thinnening.
Is that retroactive? I'm fairly certain true Hylians were spoken of as a lost people.
>ALttP was the first time we see round-eared humans.
There wasn't much to go off of. Zelda II might've had some but it was hard to tell.
>TP has the same thing where there are round-eared people
I think that's because Ordon wasn't really considered Hyrule proper and they needed a way to distinguish Hylians and Ordonians (sans Link).

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 02:18:16 2021 No.7323028

>>7323021
>Is that retroactive? I'm fairly certain true Hylians were spoken of as a lost people.
Pretty sure NPCs like the lady as Kakariko and Sahasrahla mention it, not 100% sure.
But being of Hylian knight blood was a must.
Hylian language and culture seemed to have been completely forgotten, though, as the Imprisioning War fucked shit badly.
This is why I love Hyrule Historia, it's like a real life Book of Mudora

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 02:21:08 2021 No.7323041 >>7323028 >it's like a real life Book of Mudora It's even green.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:01:17 2021 No.7323147 File: 12 KB, 240x210, 1608726992319.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7322958 >3ds adult link model gross

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:19:59 2021 No.7323194 File: 314 KB, 692x1648, 1611377570181.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7323147 What's wrong with it? It looks like Nakano's art from 1998.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:23:35 2021 No.7323202
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>>7314943
>mubyousokoi
'Muby' could be 'movie'. Google Translate seems to think Oso (without a 'u') + koi = morning sickness, but I'd rather let the nihonji experts figure this one out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:30:22 2021 No.7323219 >>7323202 And this one reads >Koutu.Anzen No idea what 'koutu' means, but 'anzen' means safety or security.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:31:08 2021 No.7323223

>>7323194
I just have to say because it always gets shit on in these threads, OoT 3D looks fantastic when you're actually playing it, and anyone who complains about it being too bright and cheery has never played a game on a 3DS. You make things contrast so you can actually see shit and it looks right when you aren't playing in a pitch black room because it's a fucking 3DS screen.
The effect of the light bouncing off the water in Zora's Domain creating patterns on the walls for example is just an improved version of the original, down to being at the exact same speed. It's great.
sage 4 off-topic

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:35:20 2021 No.7323236

>>7323194
it's close but not exact, all the 3DS designs are this weird compromise between the official art and the actual proportions of the original N64 models
if we ever get a full-blown OoT remake I would hope they make the models look as close to the original art as possible

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:35:47 2021 No.7323239
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>>7323202
And this one reads
>Koutu.Anzen
No idea what 'koutu' means. Unless it's meant to be 'kotou' which means 'old sword' (source: https://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/entry_details.cfm?entry_id=25338).). 'Anzen' means safety, security, protection, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:40:39 2021 No.7323254 >>7323239 maybe the old tsu=tu thing?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:46:14 2021 No.7323261

>>7323254
I did not know about this rule! Let's see, Kotsu means (https://www.nihongomaster.com/dictionary/entry/25890/koutsuu))
>traffic
>transportation
>communication
>exchange (of ideas, etc.)
>intercourse
Kek, I'm going with 'safe intercourse' till proven otherwise. The tent says 'People of the Sand' (who are all women) and 'safe intercourse'. Because of course it does.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 03:52:20 2021 No.7323274
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>>7323147
To be fair, DX fucked up and mediocrized LA Link's character design in both his regular artwork and with that chibi crap they made of him (like in your pic). Picrel is the original, based LA art of him, and you can look up the "generic anime" look they gave him for LADX, yourself.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:09:22 2021 No.7323296

>>7312459
Couldn't you just make a new account and start working on the Persona 2 page?
I find it kind of funny that they'll document stuff, even when it explicitly says "Hey, please don't document this or post about it online right away", but then they blow a gasket over a single word.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:13:26 2021 No.7323301 File: 255 KB, 758x281, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Quick, someone double check these smudgy letters and tell me I transcribed them wrong. I got all excited thinking the first word was 'Din', but...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:14:28 2021 No.7323304 File: 22 KB, 1313x236, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7323301 ...Nani the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:19:41 2021 No.7323309 >>7323301 >>7323304 supposedly it roughly translates to "blessings of Din with you"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:21:55 2021 No.7323313 >>7323309 Supposedly according to who? Jesus, why am I even bothering with these if they've already been dissected in some super seekrit discord club or whatever. It's not on the TCRF page.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:23:43 2021 No.7323314 >>7323313 unironically someone on reddit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:25:54 2021 No.7323318 >>7323314 >reddit got there first Well, shit. I knew we dropped the ball with this thread, but I didn't know we dropped it that hard.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 04:35:33 2021 No.7323329

>>7323309
'Kago' does mean basket, though. Not sure where they're getting the word 'blessing' from. Unless to have a basket of someone can mean you are blessed by that someone?
>dinn no go kago ga arimasu you ni.
>I hope you have a basket of Dinn (Google's translation)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 05:32:32 2021 No.7323416 >>7323239 Traffic Safety

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 05:35:56 2021 No.7323421 >>7323329 >t. Japanese 101 加護 means divine protection. Pronounced the same, but different kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 05:49:52 2021 No.7323436 >>7314943 "Sanu" is just sand, and "Minzoku" (民族) means people in a sort of "race/ethnic group" way. Could be translated as "Sand People" or with a bit more effort, "Nation of the Sand".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 05:56:21 2021 No.7323453 >>7323329 ご加護, anon. Not basket.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 06:12:46 2021 No.7323482 >>7323416 That's one possibility, but why? >>7323421 >>7323453 I mean, all we have is the romaji to go off of, but sure, that makes more sense. >>7323436 >>7314954

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 07:07:12 2021 No.7323562 >>7323436 >sandniggers

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 08:51:11 2021 No.7323737
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>>7323482
Oh foke, then that does mean Encyclopedia is probably right about the Hylians and Gerudos disagreeing that the "goddess of the sand" is evil or benevolent, and the proto reveals that said goddess is Din. WTF happened in the original mythology to make them think this? Were Gerudos basically the Hyrulean equivalent of Satanists? Maybe the unnecessary recap of the Hyrule origin myth was supposed to have a purpose and explain something we didn't know?
Obviously it's no longer relevant and the final leaves more room from goddesses like Hylia, but the proto explains why Encyclopedia claims the Kokiri were a subspecies of Hylian - because they were privvy to the fact that they were originally supposed to grow old, and either the writers misinterpreted the idea or the proto's statement that the Deku Tree created them was supposed to be a lie like them dying if they left the forest.
>>7319516
I bet it was supposed to be where Din committed the original sin of betraying Farore, which was loosely repurposed into the third timeline.

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>>7323737
>Ganondorf's rise to power was supposed to mirror Din's.
Well it's better than the Demise thing but maybe the foreshadowing was just too heavy if you didn't know ALttP and poorly written.
>The Kokiri were all war orphans taken in by the Deku Tree.
Honestly they were probably running out of time to make adult models and changed the lore so they can reuse the child models.
I am pissed that they robbed us of adult Saria though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 09:38:24 2021 No.7323856 >>7323737 You're like the third or fourth person to mention Encyclopedia in this thread. I only have Historia, so I don't get it, why are people so quick to doubt Encyclopedia and not Historia?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 09:51:13 2021 No.7323885 >>7320189 Depends how the story is structured. Madoka Magica can be much more impactful on second watch for reasons I won't spoil.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 09:53:06 2021 No.7323890 >>7320151 https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 09:53:42 2021 No.7323892 Lel

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 10:02:48 2021 No.7323913

>>7322890
>BotW has a few Gerudo without big noses
At the time there had never been a gerudo shown that way. I think its still a stretch to say din is a gerudo when she is something a bit more special. I could be wrong but I don't think the origins of any of the oracles is explained.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 10:17:50 2021 No.7323948 >>7323737 >which was loosely repurposed into the third timeline What?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 10:22:23 2021 No.7323963 >>7321883 kek, teleports behind you and saves the image.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 10:23:31 2021 No.7323969
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>>7323856
Two big reasons: 1) Japanese Encyclopedia had NintendoDREAM fan magazine writers admitting in a lore disclaimer that they had artistic liberties (read: making shit up) with the source material, which was even known about right after the Japanese release, so you get bizarre statements never repeated elsewhere like the Kokiri being Hylians and Termina being a Majora-induced fever dream of Skull Kid's or whatever that may or may not be fanfiction, and 2) English Encyclopedia came right off the high of the Mario Encyclopedia where Dark Horse were lazy asses that couldn't do basic research and overrelied on the wiki leading to tons of unsourced inaccuracies (Art & Artifacts had shades of this too but it was never this blatant). The Zelda Wiki was being led astray by a series of poor admin decisions for years, so of course it went into deny and deflect mode for this colossal fuckup when anyone with two brain cells rubbing together can see they're full of shit, whereas the Mario Wiki took responsibility and took the opposite approach regarding citogenesis. Hilariously, Dark Horse hired Ian Flynn as "fact checker" for Creating a Champion, so hopefully they've learned their lesson and the upcoming Sonic "Encyclo-speed-ia" might be devoid of this faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 10:40:06 2021 No.7324012 >>7323261 Perhaps it's saying only 'People of the sand' can pass through safely? Makes sense judging by the fact you have to avoid them on at least one occasion. I like your interpretation better though.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:26:03 2021 No.7324123
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>>7323948
Not him, but I guess if you think of the timeline branches as representing pieces of the Triforce (Zelda sending adult Link back to his childhood as "Wisdom" and young Link being allowed to exist and grow up being "Courage"), then you MIGHT see whatever Din might've done as foreshadowing the scenario in which Ganondorf succeeds in killing the Hero of Time, but it's a stretch.
>>7322718
Indeed they did, and might've all been in Link's boots where the Hyrule civil war led to many more orphans being under the Deku Tree's care, but we'll probably never know if the adult text isn't recovered. Other highlights I didn't see mentioned yet (forgive me if repeated):
>That whole exchange in pic.
Looks like Malon got top billing in Lon Lom Ranch, sort of like Marin & Tarin's relatiomship. You were also allowed to name Epona (and possibly her song), which was reused in Twilight Princess. Wasn't there code found related to changing Epona's name, or am I misremembering?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:36:10 2021 No.7324149

>>7324123
I saw the hero dying timeline as miyamoto's headcanon that eventually became official. Miyamoto mentioned a few times that we wanted to have time travel between three eras and in the released OoT rom there is text mentioning that the temple of time was supposed to send you to the past as well but that whole idea was shut down probably because it would be too difficult or take to long.
So to me it seemed that the hero dying timeline was originally supposed to be in the game and probably involved ganondorf going back in time to kill link as a baby or finish the job since he failed before. Thats my head canon anyway. Since there really is nothing in OoT that would suggest a third timeline but we still have one the only way a third timeline really makes sense in the grand scheme of things is if you involve a third era and since one was originally planned things start to become clearer.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:42:14 2021 No.7324165

>>7324149
The only way a third timeline could exist in Ocarina of Time is if the timeline Zelda returns Link to at the end of the game was separate from the original Young/Adult Link timelines. This could be supported by Link returning to Hyrule Castle to meet with Zelda there, who during Young Link's timeline was on the run with Impa after Ganondorf ran them out of town.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:45:06 2021 No.7324175 >>7324165 But no timelines have a dead link that way.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:48:47 2021 No.7324191

>>7324175
It's never implied that Link dies, just that he's "defeated"

Adult Link timeline: Ganon defeated, sealed in Sacred Realm
OOT post-game timeline: Link meets with Zelda, later tries to find Navi in Majora's Mask
Young Link timeline: Link never returned to this timeline, leading to Ganondorf's unopposed rise

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:49:19 2021 No.7324193 >>7312679 >people are younger than me its almost been 20 years since the gamecube and gba came out get over it you fucking old fart

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:50:18 2021 No.7324196 >>7322969 Try using DeepL. https://www.deepl.com/en/translator

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:55:23 2021 No.7324215

>>7324191
>Link never returned to this timeline, leading to Ganondorf's unopposed rise
I don't see any support for that. Having link being "defeated" by just not being around because of a blunder of zelda's is a stretch. Defeated in the context of links adventure can really only mean killed.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:56:31 2021 No.7324216
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>>7324123
Continued
>Average Gorons in the city donn't know about the Goron's Ruby and only Darunia knew, being safeguarded for generations for its supposed "mystical powers that transcend time..."
The Gorons wanted to sneak a bite out of the ruby, and the second is probably a remnant of when it was supposed to fit into the Ocarina of Time along with the other Spiritual Stones.
>Dodongos were supposed to be extinct but were apparently resurrected by Ganondorf, hence >>7322850
I'm pretty sure they weren't said to be extinct in the final game?
>Wishing Waterfall to Zora's Domain
Looks like you were supposed to "make a wish" or pray to open the path, which might not have meant using the ocarina. Related to the Waterfall of Wishing from ALttP?
>King Zora the Third
Was he XVI in the final game or was that just Historia? I guess they left it open for ancestors to appear in games taking place earlier?
>"Head to the door at the bottom to seek an audience." / "If you go near the lakebed door, you can talk to us."
That weird underwater alcove/hole(?) in the final game is a remnant of an earlier design.
>Jabu-Jabu is sleeping during the day, and swimming around the fountain at night.
Seems like a hassle to feed him the fish at a specific time of day, glad it was removed.
>Pic.
Sounds like this is describing the Parasitic Tentacles, but it had the electric current of the Tailparasans, or they were possibly the same thing before being split. They were "nerves" and not extensions of Barinade.
>King Zora gave Link the Zora's Sapphire.
Weirdly enough Ruto still says she'll give it to him earlier and that she's looking for it so it seems it was in the middle of being rewritten?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 11:57:46 2021 No.7324220 >>7324215 It would also explain Ganon's particular rise again in the Adult Link timeline, with Link being gone from that timeline as well leaving it unprotected. The only solution there was for Hyrule to be flooded leading to Wind Waker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:04:53 2021 No.7324241 >>7324216 >Was he XVI in the final game or was that just Historia? Historia, the game never makes any mention of how old of a king he is

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:07:32 2021 No.7324248

>>7324220
Well I mean officially we're both wrong since the hyrule historia straight up says that we have the hero is defeated timeline because link challenged ganondorf to armed combat and lost.
But to you're point I think its a stretch to have zelda knowingly doom a timeline.
I was talking more about the origin of the idea of the third timeline and why they might have had that idea.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:09:21 2021 No.7324256
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>>7324216
Continued
>The score for the Prelude of Light had to be written (by putting all Spiritual Stones together?), and the stones lost their shine after becoming an adult (and likely had to be restored to go back in time).
The second was known about but the first seems new. Maybe it was moved for being too soon after Zelda's Lullaby?
...And even more like >>7322913 and >>7322803 but much is untranslated for now.
>>7324191
Hyrule Historia distinctly states that the battle between Ganondorf and Link was to the death and that the first split occurs if Ganondorf defeats Link in the battle where the Triforce pieces started "resonating", please don't believe idiotic YouTubers who started spouting alternate theories going off the one timeline illustratiom before the rest of the book was fully translated.
>>7324149
Prolly crap too but I'd believe it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:10:15 2021 No.7324259

>>7324248
>I was talking more about the origin of the idea of the third timeline and why they might have had that idea.
My only guess is Nintendo thought they wrote themselves into a dead end, and tried to write in a 3rd timeline as a way to save it, but it blew up on themselves in the end. Would explain why Breath of the Wild takes place so far in the future, so it wouldn't have the stink of bad writing attached to it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:15:25 2021 No.7324270

>>7324259
You don't think that the third timeline couldn't have been an idea they had recycled from OoTs developement? Its pretty clear they were thinking about doing something with that. Like I said obviously all references to a past era were removed so the corner nintendo would have to write themselves out of is just a new explanation for the timeline.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:20:53 2021 No.7324283 >>7324270 Nothing implied the existence of a third timeline before the Historia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:21:48 2021 No.7324284 >>7308752 Is it possible to know what the version number of these uncovered betas are? People are calling the other recently leaked version 0.9.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:24:08 2021 No.7324292 Any new news since the release? Have they figured out how to unpack the maps?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:26:24 2021 No.7324302

>>7324283
Officially no but there were references to the idea of there being one in OoT development is what I'm saying. I'm saying that at some point they thought about it and then shelved it because they couldn't pull it off and then dug up the idea years later and had to write a new explanation for it.
To be honest a "hero is defeated" timeline could start anywhere. Why start it at OoT? The timeline could easily be a "hero is defeated by majora" timeline.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:36:43 2021 No.7324317

>>7323482
>I mean, all we have is the romaji to go off of, but sure, that makes more sense.
That's just phonetics, it should be as easy to parse as hearing the language spoken. If you're having trouble with it, read it visually, look away from the text, and then say it back out loud. Try to interpret it as someone speaking to you instead. Might help more than trying to derive meaning from symbols by using the wrong substitutes.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 12:45:41 2021 No.7324346
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>>7324259
I've said it before and I'll say it again - all the bad decisions in the official timeline can be squarely put into Nintendo barely knowing what the hell to do with the Capcom / Four Swords games.
>Oracles was likely supposed to be sometime post-Zelda II hence the Master Sword being a relic in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT SPOT than it was left in A Link to the Past and putting a final end to Ganon's otherwise-unexplained revivals in that timeline.
>Four Swords is OBVIOUSLY supposed to take place shortly before Four Swords Adventures, hence the latter's intro text referring to the Link and Zelda of the former by name.
>Four Swords Adventures had an entire (sub?)plot cut featuring the Master Sword and sages judging by unused text, which likely would have explained the game's ALttP graphical style by taking place either before or during the Imprisoning War, but Miyamoto "upending the teatable" / bitched a shitfit and had the game rewritten to be more isolated.
That last one, if left intact, would have likely prevented the whole third timeline from happening, making me inclined to believe >>7324149 might (MIGHT!) be on to something.
>>7324283
Nothing implied the Gerudo alphabet was legit before >>7315616 or the "goddess of the sand" being interpreted as evil by Hylians and good by Gerudos before >>7322525 & >>7323309 yet here we are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:07:08 2021 No.7324406 >>7323562 I mean, duh, the Gerudo, but gotta admit they're hot sandniggers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:07:50 2021 No.7324412 >>7324346 >Four Swords Adventures had an entire (sub?)plot cut featuring the Master Sword and sages judging by unused text I have never heard this. I wonder what kind of role it would have had.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:16:49 2021 No.7324449 >>7324302 >Why start it at OoT? So we could have an Imprisoning War of knights and seven sages against a Ganon wielding the full Triforce and it still make a sliver of sense for ALttP's narrative.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:23:12 2021 No.7324465 >>7324302 That's why it being a "abandoned timeline" is a far better idea. But then you kind of run into the same problem with other time travel heavy games like Oracle of Ages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:26:57 2021 No.7324474 >>7324449 You could just have that timeline split before wind waker. Alternate timeline: the gods decide not to flood hyrule. There you go.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:34:04 2021 No.7324503
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>>7324346
I unironically like Oracles where it is(ish). Sure it's divorced from the game's earlier developement where it was supposed to be NES remakes + new Zelda III, but they're obviously more in line with LA's style and so it makes sense for them to take place closer to it in the timeline. Besides it doesn't make sense for Twinrova to have lived for an entire timeline, Ganon probably just wished his mothers back to life with the Triforce at some point as a contingency plan like Link would do with his uncle and the king. A Link Between Worlds has references to Maple so it's too late to move Oracles afterwards without causing problems, you can just say the Oracles Master Sword is not Hyrule's Master Sword. Not sure if you can still set A Link to the Past after the final Four Swords Adventured without significant rewriting since Ganon was last seen sealed in Vaati's place, but agreed Four Swords was reckless.
>>7324412
Oddly enough they're only mentioned in an early English script found in the French version: https://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Four_Swords_Adventures/Unused_Text_From_French_Translation (Hall of Sages = Chamber of Sages?)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:49:57 2021 No.7324567 https://tcrf.net/Proto:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Late_1997_Overdump/Scenario TCRF is starting to organize the proto's story

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:54:52 2021 No.7324590
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>>7324474
As much as I like the idea of divine intervention causing a split, that doesn't work for several reasons: 1) there are a different set of sages during the Imprisoning War and it seems likely they would have been remembered in TWW, most likely as the ones who heard the goddesses, 2), it's more explicit in the Japanese manual, but in ALttP's backstory, the sages were recorded as unsure if the Master Sword was just a legend and had to search for proof of its existence, which doesn't make sense in the comtext of TWW but DOES make sense if it was lost during the battle with Ganondorf.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 13:57:48 2021 No.7324606
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>>7324567
>Link is preparing for his coming-of-age ceremony, in which he will receive his guardian spirit. In the tradition of his people, children receive a fairy from the Fairy Tree when they reach adulthood. This fairy becomes a person’s lifelong familiar. The fairy accompanies the youthful adventurer seeking his or her fortune in the maze-like forest or in the lands beyond. Link’s ceremony, however, is not destined to be a happy one. The Fairy Tree, source of guardian spirits, is captured by a strange creature from the depths of the forest. Link is able to locate his guardian spirit, Navie, and with her help, slay the creature. However, in the process, the Fairy Tree is grievously damaged. As its life force ebbs, the Fairy Tree speaks the words that will shape Link’s destiny.
>“Do not allow the thief, Gannondorf, to claim the Triforce … ” the Tree mystically communicates. “Oh brave one, you must take this sacred stone to a wise man….”
>Gannondorf was infamous throughout the land for his evil practices as the king of thieves. He lusted for the power of the Triforce and searched throughout Hyrule for its resting place, most recently plunging into the forest of Link’s people. Link knew he was in grave danger should Gannondorf find him. He took the sacred stone from the Fairy Tree and set out for Hyrule Castle, the capital of the Hyrulian people. Upon entering the castle, Link is welcomed by the young Princess Zelda, a woman of the Hyrulian royal family about the same age as he. She is well aware of the crisis facing the land of Hyrule. Zelda relates further details about the Triforce’s hiding place, telling Link that he needs to find the three sacred stones that fit into a magical Ocarina, which serves as the key to hidden realm. Link’s race with the evil Gannondorf to find the sacred stones and the hiding place of the Triforce is on!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:05:22 2021 No.7324634 >>7324590 But there WAS different sages in TWW. As for the master sword, its been made legendary multiple times even though it usually just sits in the same place for centuries.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:09:08 2021 No.7324656

>>7323274
You're thinking about DX's pictures too hard, anon. They're just supposed to be cute little extras that can be printed out as distinguishable stickers with the Gameboy Printer, not an artstyle replacement. The opening and ending still use LA's original art.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:10:47 2021 No.7324662
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>>7324567
>Presumably after Link obtains the three spiritual stones, he obtains a letter, written by Zelda, with instructions on how to enter the Temple of Time. Zelda's letter also teaches Link the skill to read "ancient sheet music". The Prelude of Light, which Link learns from the inscription on the alter inside the Temple of Time, is used to open the Door of Time.
Missed that part. Also, it just occurred to me - if Moblins were originally encountered bedore Link even gets Navi, is that why they're the only enemy that can't be targeted in the final game?
>>7324606
Was this text from magazine previews? I seem to remember it from Nintendo Power.
>>7324634
They were sages of the Earth and Wind Temples long after the flood happened, not the seven sages of Hyrule.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:11:09 2021 No.7324664

>>7324503
>you can just say the Oracles Master Sword is not Hyrule's Master Sword.
This plothole always bothered the fuck out of me. I want to think it's a result of the time shenanigans and twinrova, but why is the Master Sword in an unrelated land? do the art books offer any answer?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:12:18 2021 No.7324670

>>7324662
>Also, it just occurred to me - if Moblins were originally encountered bedore Link even gets Navi, is that why they're the only enemy that can't be targeted in the final game?
Wouldn't it stand to reason that you'd be able to target them AFTER you rescue Navi? Unless perhaps there's a trigger in place that clears them out of the area after you rescue Navi.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:14:00 2021 No.7324678

>>7324662
>Was this text from magazine previews? I seem to remember it from Nintendo Power.
Yep, even previews from 1996 when Deku Tree had a red nose and there was no child Link documented this basic outline of "Link coming of age and getting a fairy from the Fairy Tree" so at the very least the overall opening act of OoT was well-defined back then. Probably since it was the starting area it was easier to come up with what part of the world you start the game and just build up from there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:16:50 2021 No.7324689 >>7324670 >>7324662 There's an unused Moblin behavor and size. They're roughly Adult Link's size, they wander around and go after you when you're in proximity. They can't be targetted and they can only be hurt on their sides and backs like Dark Nuts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:19:52 2021 No.7324706 >>7324689 Well we now know where the idea for Bokoblins came from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:24:10 2021 No.7324718 >>7324706 I mean, it honestly seems to me more like they simply planned Moblins just wandering the forest area like in the original Legend of Zelda. After all, their japanese name "Moriblin" is a combination of "Forest" and "Goblin".

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:28:00 2021 No.7324730

>>7324706
Bokoblins came about because they needed a basic enemy that could work in multiple environments with multiple weapon types due to how WW was structured, the unused Moblin just seems like they figured the charge attack was better suited for a claustrophobic environment

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:28:20 2021 No.7324732

>>7324346
I still remember those trailers for the Oracle games that had nothing to do with the games like Link climbing a tower and using the ocarina to repair a broken master sword.
Either the games were going to be completely different or the team that made the trailers didn't knew what they were doing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:29:16 2021 No.7324735 >>7324590 I thought it was said that the sages in ocarina of time were the sages mentioned during the imprisoning war.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:43:37 2021 No.7324785

>>7324732
Those were commercials that NoA outsourced only for north american television, not a trailer.
NGL, when I watched it when I was watching Fox Family all those years ago, they sold me on the games. They KNEW OoT Link sells.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCLWcxhF0Cw

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:44:47 2021 No.7324791

>>7324735
Nintendo's been flip flopping on it after they realized in ALttP they realized they showed old men in ALttP. Apparently the ALttP sages in the Imprisoning War are supposed to be the same chucklefucks we see in TP, albeit in a different timeline.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:49:39 2021 No.7324813 >>7324791 Well then in that case I think there's probably enough ambiguity between OoT and WW that nintendo could put the timeline split there if they wanted to.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:51:08 2021 No.7324819

>>7324813
You know, you might be onto something. They could've had a split there. A timeline where the Knights of Hyrule succeeded at defending the seven wise men into sealing Ganon leading to ALttP and a timeline where they failed and the gods sank Hyrule.

Alas, it is what it is now.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:56:07 2021 No.7324836
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>>7324735
Doesn't really say but I'm pretty sure the king was killed by Ganondorf in the castle assault so it must be a different generation of royalty. Besides, they all had human descendants, remember?
>>7322925 is right about the original Hylians considered to have died out by ALttP btw, it's mentioned a spot orbtwo in the text dump and it's still right there in Hyrule Historia, they actually never retconned it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 14:59:35 2021 No.7324849
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>>7323969
>The new "fact checker" position was made in response to this mess and code for "oh god please make sure our dumbfuck employees is looking at legit info."
That's pretty hilarious actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:01:38 2021 No.7324857 >>7324836 I think sages can live a long time if they are not killed. I think in wind waker its said that fado became the sage of wind before the flood and was killed by ganondorf after the flood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:03:52 2021 No.7324869 >>7324836 That little bit there about the knights of hyrule sounds like hyrule warriors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:05:16 2021 No.7324873 >>7324857 Still contradicts >>7324590 pic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:05:42 2021 No.7324875 >>7324857 Fado was a Kokiri. Do we know the average lifespan of those little tree children?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:07:48 2021 No.7324880 >>7324875 >Do we know the average lifespan of those little tree children? I always assumed they were immortal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:09:05 2021 No.7324882 >>7324880 Apparently they are as long as they're within the proximity of the Deku Tree, under his protection.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:13:29 2021 No.7324897 >>7324875 Laruto was also a sage before the flood and killed after.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:15:42 2021 No.7324908 >>7324869 >tfw no new Hyrule Warriors game where you play as OoT Link after he was 'defeated' (knocked unconscious/badly beaten) by Ganon and has to take up arms with the Hylians and other races to imprison him for good

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:16:09 2021 No.7324910 >>7324873 Tell that to nintendo. Its them that said OoT was detailing the events of the imprisoning war.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:17:31 2021 No.7324918 >>7324908 It says "reappear within their ranks" and thats exactly what happens in the first hyrule warriors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:22:19 2021 No.7324931 File: 40 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7324836 >Besides, they all had human descendants, remember? Alright, who fucked a fish?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:23:40 2021 No.7324937 >>7324123 That bright neon on white is fucking impossible to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:25:59 2021 No.7324947 >>7324931 You jest, but BotW shows us Hylian+Zora interspecies relationship isn't banned, and King Zora XVI had no issue with Ruto declaring her love for Link in OoT. Plus, have you seen Queen Rutela? I'd hit it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:27:02 2021 No.7324949
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>>7324216
>>"Head to the door at the bottom to seek an audience." / "If you go near the lakebed door, you can talk to us."
>That weird underwater alcove/hole(?) in the final game is a remnant of an earlier design.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:27:07 2021 No.7324951 >>7324910 OoT was about how Ganon got sealed in the Sacred Realm, a separate event that LED UP TO the Imprisoning War, not the war itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:30:31 2021 No.7324973 File: 453 KB, 633x392, 839ebdc8f8cf6741eaaba3550c5be5db[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7324947 >>7324931 >Sea Zora are the pure race >River Zora are a mutt race My god, the pieces are falling together.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:31:54 2021 No.7324981

>>7324947
>King Zora XVI had no issue with Ruto declaring her love for Link in OoT.
To be fair that's because she kept it a secret from him (though the proto suggests he already knew but as mentioned it was probably being rewritten since it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that he had the sapphire all along).
Though that one other sage looks like a cross between a Goron and a Hylian so all the human(oid) races could probably intermingle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:32:06 2021 No.7324982 >>7324949 I didn't save any pictures of it, but someone here should have images saved of the original map that led to Zora's Domain. It's a cave, and you have to dive under a platform to get to the loading zone for Zora's Domain.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:33:16 2021 No.7324986

>>7324973
Historia explains that River Zoras are Zoras that betrayed theit belief on Hylia and the golden goddesses out of spiter after the Imprisoning War, when Zora-Hylian relationships became strained and joined the demon clan, Ganon's/Demise's followers.
Whatever good ocean zoras remained that didn't either want war against Hylians, humans and just let them live fucking in peace went to Labrynna.

>>7324981
I'm sure the King knew, especially when he sees Adult Link.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:34:47 2021 No.7324992 >>7324931 >he doesn't want to fuck a fish Also, we're at the bump limit

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:36:59 2021 No.7324998

>>7324951
That is now the case, but when the game released, it was definitely intended to be actual Imprisoning War.
>This time, the story really wasn't an original. We were dealing with the "The Imprisoning War of the Seven Sages" from the SNES edition Zelda.
https://www.angelfire.com/games5/makzelda/interviews/kiootcomments.html

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:38:46 2021 No.7325005
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>>7324947
Degeneracy in the kingdom.

>>7324981
I consider the fact that he's probably just ignoring her because she's young and Link is harmless/oblivious. The trope of thinking one is in love with another, and in this case one who's not even in your species. Laughable, not sincere.
> Link requests the Zora's Sapphire, and Ruto happily hands it over to him, calling it her most "precious possession" and revealing that the Stone effectively acts as the "Zora's Engagement Ring",[11] meaning that she now considers the two of them engaged to be married. Despite this, Link is unaware of his engagement to Ruto, only knowing that he had finally obtained the three Spiritual Stones

Although...

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:40:46 2021 No.7325017
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>>7324973
"River" Zoras were going to be in OoT as "sea" Zoras. See? The Zoras were just redesigned to be sleeker because the older design would probably look especially clunky in N64 graphics. For that matter, "river" Zoras were a possible Zora design that got cut in BotW, as shown in the art book, maybe will be in BotW2. Honestly the "river" and "sea" designations only made sense in Oracle, which is why that NecroDancer spinoff changed it between friendly "Zora" and "Evil Zora" enemy

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:44:43 2021 No.7325037

>>7324998
>when the game released
You sure about that? I only recall that OoT was declared a prequel to ALttP when it released, not the Imprisoning War, which doesn't really make sense without the "Knights of Hyrule" bloodline and other inconsistencies. Could be that interview was referring to an earlier draft since the script went through multiple iterations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:47:11 2021 No.7325042 >>7325037 Well you see theres these things called retcons...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:48:27 2021 No.7325047 >>7325037 Check the interviews for yourself, the website has a link to the original Japanese Nintendo website. The interviews were conducted post-release.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:48:43 2021 No.7325048 This one topic has discussed Zelda lore 10x more then Nintendo ever has. They admitted a thousand times, the story is the last thing they work on with a game.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:53:02 2021 No.7325065

>>7325048
I mean it used to be pretty common that it'd be the last thing most gamers cared about. I'm still that way. I care if the game is good, if the story is good that's a cool bonus, but it's still just a bonus, not primary.
imo OoT and even MM would be just as good if you removed all non-critical text. In all game aspects I think they're fun, interesting, and surprisingly dense (as in many things compacted) all things considered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:55:32 2021 No.7325076 >>7325065 >imo OoT and even MM would be just as good if you removed all non-critical text The Randomizer is great and is basically this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 15:56:02 2021 No.7325080 >>7325065 I think nintendo thinks about it more than they would like to admit. Its just that they will bend their planned story to match the game they're making rather than the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:08:04 2021 No.7325123 File: 184 KB, 930x849, MiyamotoOrder.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7325042 There's also these things called "it made no sense the first time."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:16:20 2021 No.7325161 >>7325123 >A Link to the Past last whoa...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:17:22 2021 No.7325170 >>7325123 All the inconsistency is proof that they really didn't know either, and were just bullshitting

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:17:25 2021 No.7325171 >>7325161 Yeah, this interview fucked up timeline discussion for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:26:02 2021 No.7325219 >>7324992 chill, /vr/ is a super slow board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:27:03 2021 No.7325225 >>7325219 I know, but it's still something worth pointing out so peeps can be prepared.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:32:28 2021 No.7325250

>>7325161
>>7325170
>>7325171
What you are all failing to see here is that miyamoto is in fact a master ruseman and had planned the three way timeline split even back then. Cleverly pretending like it didn't exist yet he simply lists off the games, but if you look at the order he lists them in it all becomes very clear that he is in fact giving us an early hint that link to the past takes place in the fallen hero timeline. As in modern times when the timelines are listed the fallen hero timeline is usually listed last and here we see miyamoto also lists link to the past last. Bravo miyamoto, bravo!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:33:48 2021 No.7325253 >>7325123 >>7325250 In an interview prior to this one, Miyamoto did claimed OoT>ALttP>LA>Z1>Z2, it's even on the AVGN zelda timeline video, where he calls out the inconsistency between both interviews.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:35:44 2021 No.7325262 >>7325253 I was joking you autist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:38:38 2021 No.7325270 >>7325123 I'd call things like this "God is Drunk", I meant everyone - EVERYONE - understood that Link to the Past was a prequel, they reported on that everywhen when the game was in development and even the back of the box.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:44:20 2021 No.7325293 >>7322795 Which artbook has this illustration of the Spirit Temple?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:49:37 2021 No.7325314 Miyamoto has never been the writer for a Zelda games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 16:50:45 2021 No.7325319 >>7324949 https://youtu.be/ui4Iv0i5zB8?t=5028

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 17:17:34 2021 No.7325404 >>7325293 arts and artifacts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 17:26:12 2021 No.7325452 >>7325404 Nope, I own that one and it's not there

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 17:30:21 2021 No.7325472 >>7325452 the third book? first book?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 17:35:37 2021 No.7325490 >>7325472 Not Historia either, seems like I'll have to blindly look among scans of Encyclopedia.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 17:44:39 2021 No.7325517

>>7323969
>2) English Encyclopedia came right off the high of the Mario Encyclopedia where Dark Horse were lazy asses that couldn't do basic research and overrelied on the wiki leading to tons of unsourced inaccuracies (Art & Artifacts had shades of this too but it was never this blatant).
I remember the Mario Encyclopedia controversy, but is it fair for it color people's perceptions of Zelda Encyclopedia if the latter is translated from a Japanese source? Sounds to me like the NintendoDREAM quote is the real issue here.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 17:49:41 2021 No.7325539
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>>7325293
It's from the Player's Guide, it might not be in any of the artbooks if it's made for western media (though there are some exceptions like Hyrule Graphics / Art & Artifacts getting some NES over FDS Zelda II artwork)

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 18:09:42 2021 No.7325613
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>>7325517
It's actually worse than the Mario one in some ways, just not documented as well because all the same people who cared about calling out the official Zelda Universe website for doing what Dark Horse later did left the wiki long ago for bigger and better things. I'll give you a quick example - one of the bugs that Odolwa summons (the scarabs, not the moths) is called "Odolwa's Insect Minions" in Zelda Encyclopedia. This is from Zelda Wiki, and in fact they tried to defend it by claiming it's their name from the Player's Guide, but looking at the passage in question shows that it's just generically describing both the moths and scarabs in a sentence as "[...]his insect minions[...]" and not naming the scarabs specifically. There are tons of little things like this that add up throughout the enemies, characters and descriptions that it's more exhaustive than Mario Encyclopedia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 18:09:46 2021 No.7325614 >>7325517 The Mario Encyclopedia was also released in Japan first. The english version was even delayed a year, which makes the plagiarism even more confusing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 18:21:23 2021 No.7325670 >>7325171 The timeline stuff tends to get fucked as time went on

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 18:57:59 2021 No.7325828

>>7325670
Timeline is pretty easy to follow really, I don't know why so many people had an issue with it.
The first five games are simple: OoT-->ALttP->LA-->TLoZ->TAoL. People like to pretend there was confusion over LA and that one interview Miyahon was off his meds vut really game manuals and Nintendo magazines/guides were clearcut on this, they even wanted the town in TAoL to be named after the sages way back in OoT. MM is pretty clearly an OoT sequel so it gets placed there for now.
The next few games is where the problems start to show: the Oracle games have influences from LA & MM, and TWW and its DS sequels all take place after OoT but in a totally different outcome. At this point, OoX generally considered to take place either between ALttP & LA or at the end of the timeline, but people still aren't sure what to make of TWW. The Four Swords trilogy comes and goes: the order is TMC-->>FS->FSA and its generally agreed that TMC takes place before OoT but the others are uncertain. At this point some Zelda fans theorize that there's an alternative universe, and some developer interview emerges that states OoT had "two endings" but some decry it as mistranslated and prefer one timeline.
TP is then yet another game that takes place after OoT. More and more fans are adopting the split timeline "theory" but still think ALttP onwards was retconned to take place further down the timeline. The "cel-shaded"/toon games are usually put in one timeline. Timeline at this point looks like TMC-->OoT in which one split is -->TWW->PH-->ST and the other split looks at best like ->MM-->TP-->FS->FSA-->ALttP->OoX->LA-->TLoZ->TAoL. Then SS takes place even earlier than TMC, and HH is released that shows this common timeline interpretation wasn't that far off in terms of placement except for the third timeline no one except that one weird guy saw coming, thus preserving OoT as the direct prequel of ALttP.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:03:40 2021 No.7325841

>>7325828
>Timeline is pretty easy to follow really, I don't know why so many people had an issue with it.
Literally because it goes against their own headcanon. People have been debating the timeline for yeeeaaaaarrrrrssss and couldn't understand the concept of being wrong.

That and the awkward mistranslation of what exactly leads to A Link to the Past.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:11:19 2021 No.7325864
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>>7324606
>That pic.
At first I thought it was saying that Navi died but now that I know the Deku Tree was originally known as the Fairy Deku Tree / Fairy Tree it was probably a translation error.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:11:52 2021 No.7325868 >>7325828 Wait who was the guy that saw it coming?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:20:49 2021 No.7325903 >>7325841 >That and the awkward mistranslation of what exactly leads to A Link to the Past. redpill me on this, what awkward mistranslation?

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:23:39 2021 No.7325912

>>7325903
When Hyrule Historia was first released in Japan but not in English, the downfall timeline was awkwardly translated so people didn't understand the very basic concept of "Alternate timeline where Link dies fighting Ganon" because it was translated very fast and loose as "The hero is defeated, A Link to the Past happens"

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:25:28 2021 No.7325918

>>7325912
>"The hero is defeated, A Link to the Past happens"
Are people retarded? Even if this is a fast and loose translation it gets the message across.
It was a fight to the death, by the time Ganondorf becomes Ganon, "defeating the hero" is nothing short of outright killing Link

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:35:19 2021 No.7325956 >>7325903 See >>7324256 Sadly some of these theories still linger to this day because videos were made immediately, I swear it's like the modern incarnation of the fourteen-year-old's timeline theory.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:36:29 2021 No.7325962 >>7325868 Some dude on the Zelda Universe forums, he made a thread about his theory years before HH came out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:39:32 2021 No.7325972 >>7325962 based turbo autismo, one step ahead of everyone

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 19:44:12 2021 No.7325993 >>7325539 that's ridiculous. if there's source material, publish it, not leave out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 20:07:03 2021 No.7326104 >>7325962 Probably a long shot but do you have a link to the thread or a screenshot of it? I'd like to see what he said.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 20:19:46 2021 No.7326179

>>7323737
>Oh foke, then that does mean Encyclopedia is probably right about the Hylians and Gerudos disagreeing that the "goddess of the sand" is evil or benevolent, and the proto reveals that said goddess is Din. WTF happened in the original mythology to make them think this?

It's been a long ass while, but I recall Hyrulians not being quite positive about Gerudo because of the Ganondorf legend thing? Or maybe something else?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 20:35:45 2021 No.7326262 File: 2.38 MB, 1000x1356, LA_Marin_German_3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7325993 A lot of localized guides made their own artwork that Japans may not even know about (hell even Japan guides like Futabasha made their own artwork).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 20:36:17 2021 No.7326265 >>7326104 I've been looking for it to show everyone here, all I can remember is that, at the time, his avatar was the Ganon sprite from ALttP twirling his trident.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:01:27 2021 No.7326358

>>7325613
Again, I'm really confused as to why Dark Horse is being blamed for anything. Is it or is not supposed to be a translation/localization of a Japanese book of the same name, a la Hyrule Historia? Why was Dark Horse doing any original research if that was the case?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:05:44 2021 No.7326370 >>7324606 >Link is preparing for his coming-of-age ceremony In the manga this ceremony is where Link gets his ears pierced.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:12:12 2021 No.7326390 File: 221 KB, 700x1042, 10-21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7326370

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:17:18 2021 No.7326404 >>7326390 Imagine all the Zelda smut made privately by those two women that will probably never see the light of day. Nintendo would disown Akira Himekawa if they ever released a doujin, but just imagine.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:26:00 2021 No.7326441

>>7325123
Dan Owsen once floated the theory that LA took place inside of Link's mind as he slept for 7 years in OoT, sort of a dream within a dream. Actually, a fan wrote in to his bi-weekly Ask Dan column on nintendo.com asking about it, and he all but confirmed it was canon (in as much as someone who worked on the localization alongside the Japanese team could declare something canon).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:27:08 2021 No.7326445 Should there be another thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:30:38 2021 No.7326461 >>7326445 Sure why not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:32:10 2021 No.7326467 >>7326445 Yes, please! I'd do it myself if I weren't on mobile. Hopefully who ever makes it links to the TCRF article, that's really where everything interesting is at.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:34:02 2021 No.7326474 >>7326445 Might as well link to the rom with the maps patched in while you're at it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:34:46 2021 No.7326479

>>7326265
>>7326104
https://zeldauniverse.net/forums/Thread/138509-Official-I-told-you-so-Thread/?pageNo=1
It was the OP of this thread. He still posts to this day, so I can't find the original thread he made about the three-way split since I can only look so far back into his post history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:39:30 2021 No.7326505 >>7326445 This >>7326474. Link the rom and the tcrf page please

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:52:20 2021 No.7326545

>>7326404
>Nintendo would disown Akira Himekawa if they ever released a doujin, but just imagine.
The artist who drew Celica for Fire Emblem Awakening's free DLC who would later go on to do every character design in Xenoblade 2 was an ero doujinshji artist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:54:14 2021 No.7326554 here you go >>7326549 inb4 bitching about being a general

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:56:10 2021 No.7326565 >>7326404 Generally that isn't how it works in Japan. Unlike the western world you aren't disowned if you dabble in erotic works. This goes for drawing, voice acting, and so on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 23 21:57:30 2021 No.7326573 >>7326554 TAKE IT TO VEEGEE

Anonymous Sat Jan 23 23:56:07 2021 No.7326971
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>>7326358
>Is it or is not supposed to be a translation/localization of a Japanese book of the same name, a la Hyrule Historia?
See the Mario Encyclopedia - it was a Japanese book too, but the bulk "encyclopedia" part took entire chunks from the wiki. This means things like having the wrong name (one year is a long time for a wiki to start fixing things), or stealing conjectural fan-names or (the wrong!) Japanese romanizations as "English" names despite disclaimers on those pages basically warning them. For reference, the pic is "Odolwa's Insect Minions" in Japanese - it's "sukarabe" (scarab) in katakana, not even a particularly complicated name and certainly not a translation.
>Why was Dark Horse doing any original research if that was the case?
They basically rearranged the whole enemies section and regrouped entire species based on how the wiki did it, which is a betrayal of their bibliography section.

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