/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7300809]

Are there any games that play BETTER on an emulator than the original hardware?

[Anonymous No.7300826]

No, emulating is universally an inferior experience and anyone who prattles on about widescreen mods, hi rez texture packs, higher frame rates, or bug fixes is merely trying to justify their "cheaping out" and not getting the original hardware together.

[Anonymous No.7300832]

yeah, because better graphics and bug fixes are bad

[Anonymous No.7300863]

>>7300809
Sure, you can save states on emulators

[Anonymous No.7300879]

The GC ports of RE2 and RE3 played via the custom Dolphin emulators with ML upscaling play way better than any other version of RE2 and RE3 that I have played. I have both games for PS1 and will likely never play them again. Playing them on my PC with that emulator felt so damn responsive and smooth. I do not see any reason to play them on console ever again.

[Anonymous No.7300882]

>>7300826
>please buy my refurbished consoles ;;

[Anonymous No.7300887]

Any gamecube game

[Anonymous No.7300918]

>>7300826
Higher framerates aren't trivial, they directly contribute to responsiveness and lag reduction.

It's also not cheap when you buy an OLED and high end PC to emulate in the best way possible. We just don't want dedicated autism boxes on borrowed time and cords. It's a wasteful mess. Why do that when you can play everything, and play it better, on one machine?
I'll tell you dude, I HAVE a CRT set up in the other room. Novelty wears off. You're just a collecting empty-souled weirdo.

[Anonymous No.7300921]

>>7300809
None. Not a single one.

[Anonymous No.7300928]

Most JRPGs thanks to the fast forward functions.

[Anonymous No.7300940]

>>7300928
OP did say "games"

[Anonymous No.7300964]

>>7300809
Rock and roll racing seemed to look better to me on emulator because it looked like it was designed to be displayed on a computer monitor.

[Anonymous No.7300986]

Most C64 games.
I'm not saying the sound is as good in an emulator or the visuals are just better. To me the main difference is loading.
6 minutes on real hardware vs. 6 seconds in an emulator? I know which I'd rather be playing.

[Anonymous No.7300994]

>>7300809
Most of Rare's N64 stuff, emulators aren't generally accurate to all the lag that happens on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.7300995]

>>7300809
G-Police, especially with the patch that removes the draw distance.

[Anonymous No.7301089]

Young Sheldon has more soul than this harbinger of generation declination of a show

[Anonymous No.7301092]

>>7300826
I love that you listed many great upsides to emulation, and even put "cheaping out" in quotation marks as though to highlight how silly of an idea it is to get self-righteous because you paid more money for less features. Time is gonna rot all of our collections sooner or later, no matter how well we take care of them or how much money we paid for them, and emulation isn't going away, so you might as well learn to be grateful for it.

[Anonymous No.7301097]

>>7300809
Living in a 50hz PAL region makes emulators better than original hardware unless you want to go to the trouble of importing.

[Anonymous No.7301112]

>>7301089
Why would you even watch it to find out?

[Anonymous No.7301115]

>>7301112
>people are not allow to witness anything

[Anonymous No.7301139]

>>7300809
Shadow of the Colossus, off the top of my head. That game is borderline unplayable on PS2.

[Anonymous No.7301150]

>>7301115
I ain't disallowing shit, just can't get into normievision at all anymore, and my first dive back in certainly wouldn't be a Big Bang spinoff.

[Anonymous No.7301169]

No. Emulation will always have differences which make it objectively worse. Be it bugs that didnt exist in the real game, fucked up sound, or variations in game speed. Even "official" emulation like the Switch version of Mario 64 is fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.7301178]

>>7300809
All of them. Literally every single one. The hardware is so much better on even the cheapest PCs it’s not even comparable.

Every single game runs better on an emulator.

[Anonymous No.7301180]

>>7301139
Explain. I have the PS2 copy with me right now

[Anonymous No.7301183]

>>7301178
but anon, the original creators designed it to play like shit and look horrible, are you using the "make this run bad and look bad" filters?

[Anonymous No.7301193]

>>7301180
super bad frame rate drops because off all the revolutionary fur effects on every colossus

[Anonymous No.7301226]

>>7300809
Any emulator that allows for overclocking will play games at a much smoother framerate. Emulators also allow you to play using whatever controller you want with whatever configuration you want so basically every game plays better emulated.

[Anonymous No.7301230]

>>7300826
Feels good not having to cope with the fact that I lined a scalpers pockets with hundreds of dollars for a piece of plastic containing software I can use for free on my PC.

[Anonymous No.7301253]

>>7300809
No, and kids do not notice. Because they never experienced the real thing. Let the zoomies be happy with emulation i say.

[Anonymous No.7301385]

>>7301253
>Let the zoomies be happy with emulation i say.
Yeah, because it looks and plays better. I sold all my plastic shit to some retards for way more than i paid for it back in the day, now i am an emulator chad and can actually play games without shit output and bad frame rates that the artists never intended but hipsters pretend they did

[Anonymous No.7301464]

>>7301385
ok. Believe what you want.

[Anonymous No.7301490]

You can make games run better than they do in their original hardware by doing things such as increasing the sprite limit to eliminate flicker or overclocking the CPU to eliminate slowdown. Of course any changes that you make can have unintended side effects, but it's worth experimenting with. Playing the original Double Dragon without slowdown is pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.7301494]

Star Fox with an overclocked emulator to run at a better framerate

[Anonymous No.7301498]

Any game with loading times

[Anonymous No.7301537]

>>7300809
Literally any game that can be overclocked.

[Anonymous No.7301545]

Playing RockMan world 1, 3, 4, and 5 on a psp gb emulator is the best experience imo considering that you can play the games overclocked, meaning no horrible screen flickering.

[Anonymous No.7301585]

>>7301545
Everyday I hope a good GBA emu comes out on the vita.

[Anonymous No.7301605]

>>7300809
Some of the Metal Slugs that struggled on original hardware, IIRC. Everything that did that honestly.

[Anonymous No.7301630]

>>7301490
>increasing the sprite limit to eliminate flicker or overclocking the CPU to eliminate slowdown

Pretty much this, so running a raspberry pi with crt rgb out on a PVM would give the best NES experience for sure.

[Anonymous No.7301641]

>>7300809
Nope. Don't get me wrong, I love emulators. But nothing outmatches the performance of original hardware. Which is why I don't buy FPGAy devices/clone consoles. I just use HDMI converters instead to play my original consoles with.

[Anonymous No.7301663]

>>7300918
>Higher framerates aren't trivial, they directly contribute to responsiveness and lag reduction.
If the game's not coded for higher framerates then wouldn't that actually just speed everything up and make it harder to play?

[Anonymous No.7301703]

>>7300921
>>7301253
Gradius III SNES with the patch
suck it

[Anonymous No.7301743]

>>7300809
if the game is almost unplayable on the original console nowadays then yes
i.e Duke Nukem Zero Hour

[Anonymous No.7301761]

What about games with password systems? Save states are pretty honest to use in that case I think.

[Anonymous No.7301774]

>>7300826
i just do it cause im lazy

[Anonymous No.7301791]

>>7300826
FPBP

[Anonymous No.7301821]

>>7300809
Pretty much all of them if it’s a NES, SNES or Genesis game (the only /vr/ worth playing).

[Anonymous No.7301823]

>>7301494
Is there a way to do this without it increasing the overall speed of the game? I didn't like that too much, and now I just see the slowdowns as more like slowmo so it doesn't bother me as much. Would still prefer it running at full speed the whole time though.

Mega Man X with the SA-1 hack is better than playing it on original hardware though, because it removes most of the slowdown but doesn't negatively impact anything else. Other than that I still kind of have a preference for emulation because it allows me to use save states, I like being able to save and quit any time I want rather than having to continue playing until I reach a checkpoint or quitting and then having to redo some of it again later.

[Anonymous No.7301826]

>>7300826
>cheaping out
>doesn’t own a $20K PC

[Anonymous No.7301837]

Games that ran like shit on original hardware, I guess. So pretty much all of Rare's N64 games, Spyro 4, etc.

[Anonymous No.7301838]

>>7301821
>Pretty much all of them if it’s a NES, SNES or Genesis game (the only /vr/ worth playing).
Alright, show us on the doll where the Amigafag touched you.

[Anonymous No.7301846]

>>7301838
Never even saw an Amiga.

[Anonymous No.7301847]

LOLno nothing is ever the same as the real hardware on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7301850]

>>7300986
some games need true drive emulation enabled to work.

[Anonymous No.7301851]

>>7300809
The N64 wrestling games have so many mods to them. It’s great. Even then, it’s nice to play it without an N64 controller. Also, WWF No Mercy has a game breaking glitch that deletes your save file. The version with that fix is extremely rare, so emulating it is the best experience.

[Anonymous No.7301861]

I've actually played Alley Cat on a real IBM XT with a CGA card. Trust me, DOSBox just ain't the same as the real thing.

[Anonymous No.7301870]

Defend playing this on original hardware over emulation.

[Anonymous No.7301885]

>>7301870
Are you kidding? Having said that a Gamecube controller works damn well.
t. within seconds of a world record using a GC con on the Wii

[Anonymous No.7301903]

Simcity on SNES. When your city population reaches a few hundred thousand, the simulator grinds at a snails pace. Playing on an emulator with fast forward makes the game far more enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.7301959]

>>7300809
Yes if by you mean harder or sometimes easier. For Robotron MAME makes it harder because it runs faster than the arcade original.

[Anonymous No.7301986]

The only times emulation is an inferior experience are when the emulator itself has inaccuracies that cause glitches or bugs. For the vast majority of games, emulation is superior in every single way, especially on emulators that allow for overclocking the emulated CPU. The only reason to own any console with a competent emulator is for nostalgia purposes, or because you are a hoarder.

[Anonymous No.7302002]

>>7301870
>I-i can't leg go on my childhood, i value the theme park ride to nostalgiaville rather than the software

[Anonymous No.7302013]

>>7300879
>custom upscaling

Kys

[Anonymous No.7302054]

>>7300995
>patch that removes draw distance
I never knew that existed, but I can't find it on a quick search. Do you have a link to it?

[Anonymous No.7302059]

>>7300826
I don't even play my consoles anymore because I found that a Raspberry pi with a SCART hat provided an equivocate experience without a complicated setup, having to swap systems, or use a selector.
Plus it uses a fraction of the table space that even one console would use and I can more easily play homebrew and romhacks too.
I have personally had a better experience emulating then using original hardware.

[Anonymous No.7302071]

>>7300809
Yes, all of them, even the ones that can't run. Can't stand the low framerates and awful controllers.

[Anonymous No.7302075]

>>7300809
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Perfect Dark
Goldeneye 007
Timesplitters series

Pretty-much any other console excluaive FPS that has mouse and keyboard support, 60FPS, and adjustable FOV through an emulator. Would also say Turok 1 and 2 but they're ports, not emulation.

[Anonymous No.7302086]

Literally every handheld in existence.

[Anonymous No.7302298]

>>7300826
>>7300918
>>7301226
>>7301490
>>7301986
Errr....just what is this weird fixation on jacked-up framerates in emulators?

[Anonymous No.7302310]

>>7301861

>>7301821
old shitty PC games aren't part of the only /vr/ worth playing

[Anonymous No.7302325]

Doctor Hauzer for 3DO.

[Anonymous No.7302330]

>>7301821
Now this is a true plebian man right here. (^:

[Anonymous No.7302341]

>>7301663
Some games have fan patches to fix that problem

[Anonymous No.7302348]

>>7302330
yeah you can always tell when it's an anon who gets filtered by anything but AAA Japanese console games. there are many such plebs, they are often found complaining about the Amiga.

[Anonymous No.7302352]

>>7302298
Some games have patches to run the games at 60fps, or the emulator can be overclocked so games that had trouble running on the OG hardware now runs smoothly.

The higher FPS usually makes gameplay feel more responsive and look smoother. For example: Perfect Dark on n64 ran like crap, sub 15 fps wasn't unusual and the framerate bounced high and low like mad. Frustrating and maybe even nauseating experience.

[Anonymous No.7302356]

>>7302298
>jacked-up framerates
>anything more than 10 fps on the original hardware is jacked up
Who could forget the classic "hair texture appears, game slows down" of the ps2, just like artists intended it

[Anonymous No.7302357]

NFS High Stakes on PS1. this game was meant to be played at a slightly higher res and 60fps

[Anonymous No.7302375]

>>7301743
>>>7300809 (OP)
>if the game is almost unplayable on the original console nowadays then yes
>i.e Duke Nukem Zero Hour

huh. Duke Nukem Zero Hour played fine on console. Why would that change over time?

[Anonymous No.7302380]

>>7301903
why so many police departments

[Anonymous No.7302389]

>>7302380
brack peepurhl

[Anonymous No.7302476]

>>7302389
>>>7302380 (You)
>brack peepurhl

oh for orcs

[Anonymous No.7302945]

>>7302298
I was referring to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G182_TlVl9A

[Anonymous No.7303014]

>>7302945
Didn't it have slowdown in the arcade too?

[Anonymous No.7303054]

>>7300809
All disc based games

[Anonymous No.7303352]

PS1 and N64 games

[Anonymous No.7303371]

>>7300809
yeah, nearly every single game.
>>7300826
autists like this spastic get enraged at the mere thought of emulation because it makes their collection worthless. pretty funny to see.

[Anonymous No.7303381]

>>7303371
>it makes their collection worthless
Poorfags actually believe this.

[Anonymous No.7303386]

>>7300809
I've heard there were some games that couldn't be finished on real hardware because of whatever critical bug that causes them to crash at a certain point, but when played on an inaccurate emulator could be finished. I don't have any specific examples, though, because I've personally never come across a game with such an issue, so it could just be one huge lie.

[Anonymous No.7303389]

>>7303386
>I've heard there were some games that couldn't be finished on real hardware because of whatever critical bug that causes them to crash at a certain point, but when played on an inaccurate emulator could be finished. I don't have any specific examples, though,
There's some games on Action 52 that are like that.
Alfred and the Fetic (?)
That leprechaun game. Some others.

[Anonymous No.7303402]

>>7303381
you wasted hundreds of dollars, and now even poorfags can access more games than you'll ever own and play them better too. hurts doesnt it? :(

[Anonymous No.7303407]

>>7303402
>now even poorfags can access more games than you'll ever own and play them better too
haha
I play real hardware and I emulate. There nothing I can't play.

[Anonymous No.7303426]

>>7300809
The PS2 Silent Hill games look amazing in PCSX2. The character models are better than most 7th gen games. 480i just can't do the graphics justice, and hides much of the detail put into the game by the developers.

There are some 6th gen games where playing in high res seems to accentuate the lack of detail, but in Silent Hill 2-4 it's the opposite. It feels like it reveals more details that were previously obscured and upgrades the graphics to the level of a PS3 game.

>>7300826
This is really bad bait and I'm not even going to bother debunking all the points, but I just want to point out that I emulate on a $2400 gaming rig. It is you who is "cheaping out" by playing on original hardware.

[Anonymous No.7303443]

>>7303426
>t is you who is "cheaping out" by playing on original hardware.
Not that anon, but some games are far more than that.

[Anonymous No.7303482]

>>7300809
Any pre-6th gen

[Anonymous No.7303485]

>>7303426
I don't even know how people played Silent Hill 2 in 480i on a CRT. Those medic drinks are microscopic compared to SH1.

[Anonymous No.7303506]

any game with an emulator that supports overclocking
mega drive games and many snes games for example

>>7300826
cope

[Anonymous No.7303514]

>>7303443
emulation vs console aside, if you spend more than $80 on a single game you are unbelievably autistic

[Anonymous No.7303524]

>>7300826

[Anonymous No.7303530]

>>7300809
Metroid prime because you can increase the fov and get mouse aiming.(Wii aiming isnt the same because theres still a margin of error.)

[Anonymous No.7303532]

>>7303514
>if you spend more than $80 on a single car you are unbelievably autistic
See how dumb that sounds now?

[Anonymous No.7303536]

>>7300887

[Anonymous No.7303538]

>>7303532
Cars are a necessity and the difference between a good one and a bad one can be life and death if you get in an accident. Games are a piece of media that you consoom for entertainment.

[Anonymous No.7303542]

>>7301870
No online so if you want to play MP you have to invite your chunky girl neighbor over to play.

[Anonymous No.7303545]

>>7300809
The master system because the pause button is on the controller.

[Anonymous No.7303548]

>>7303538
>Cars are a necessity
Are they fucking really?
Regardless, I posit that video games are a necessity in this day and age where escapism is warding off stress and further strife.

[Anonymous No.7303551]

>>7303532
>new car
>retail price: $15,000+
>new game
>retail price: $50-60
Yep. Totally comparable.

[Anonymous No.7303552]

In fact, governments ought to give everyone 200 dollars gamer allowance every six months at least.
I bet you it'd keep more people off the streets that need to be than any anti-drug campaign.

[Anonymous No.7303553]

>>7303551
>>7303548
>>7303538
>>7303532
Stop talking about fucking cars. This is /vr/ not /o/.

[Anonymous No.7303556]

>>7303551
>the point
-------------
>(you)

[Anonymous No.7303562]

>>7303553
I am talking about games, the aspect of paying a lot for the best way to experience them.

[Anonymous No.7303565]

>>7300809
You should emulate everything, only buy a retro console if you REALLY want to, mostly if it's for a special reason, i.e: console you had as a kid

[Anonymous No.7303574]

>>7303556
Your point was that paying 134% retail price for a used game is the same as paying 0.5% retail price for a used car. Ergo you didn't have a point.
Paying over $80 for a game is pure autism, and you can't refute it.

[Anonymous No.7303581]

>>7303562
>I am talking about games
Don't bullshit me you fucking greaser.

[Anonymous No.7303584]

>>7303574
No that's not the point. The point is that sometimes, no matter your hobby, you have to pay more to get the deluxe experience.

>Paying over $80 for a game is pure autism, and you can't refute it.
Just did. If you want more, I can play great games that still have emulation problems 11 years since their release.

[Anonymous No.7303587]

>>7303581
Ayyyyy YOU WANNA RUMBLE?

[Anonymous No.7303594]

>>7303587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_piia0hKbo
YOU WANNA SEE ME LOSE IT? HUH DAD? I MEAN YOURE DEAD!

[Anonymous No.7303596]

>>7303584
>emulation
flashcart
You spent $80 on a single game when you could have had the entire library.
It's okay to be autistic, but don't lie to yourself.

[Anonymous No.7303603]

>>7303596
>You spent $80 on a single game
Why are you laser-focused on such a low amount?
It's ok, anon, sometimes we all need to get our heads together.
lethalweaponloserthemeatthebeach.wav

[Anonymous No.7303605]

>>7300986
1 minute on a turbo tape, pleb.

[Anonymous No.7303616]

>>7303603
>such a low amount
>$80 isn't enough
>UP THE PRICE! I WANT TO SPEND EVEN MORE ON ONE GAME!
go wild lmao

[Anonymous No.7303651]

>>7303616
>t. will never enjoy electro-mechanical games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1WSYdn1b8I

/not my video

[Anonymous No.7303658]

>>7303651
>spent more than $80 on a 45 year old toy
yeah you have autism.

[Anonymous No.7303670]

>>7303658
8/10

[Anonymous No.7304370]

>>7302298
Overclocking the emulated CPU doesn't increase the framerate, tardo. It just eliminates slowdown.

[Anonymous No.7304514]

>>7300809
Any game that dips below 30 fps without overclocking?

[Anonymous No.7304763]

>>7302375
personally i found it almost unplayable the last time i played it because of the framerate

[Anonymous No.7304793]

depends on the game. Visually games like spyro or megaman legends scale up very well and the art style is perfectly maintained or even enhanced. In other games, like final fantasy 7 or 8, native resolution is best and messing with it destroys the visual style completely imo.

Gameplay wise its usually best on native hardware because the game was designed that way but there are serous exceptions like goldeneye being far superior on keyboard/mouse for example.

[Anonymous No.7306561]

>>7300809
yes

[Anonymous No.7306830]

>>7300809
most

[Anonymous No.7306834]

>>7304370
>It doesn't increase the frame rate, it stops the frame rate from decreasing

[Anonymous No.7307009]

>>7301870
You're a fucking retard. How's that?

[Anonymous No.7307034]

I'm playing the pokemen right now on my gameboy and I sure am missing the fast forward and save states. But I think I'll manage.

[Anonymous No.7307048]

>>7307009
Yeah I'm a fucking retard a fucking retard that fucked your fucking mom bitch

[Anonymous No.7307147]

>>7301903
ew donuts

[Anonymous No.7307230]

>>7300826

>t. ebay scalper

[Anonymous No.7308021]

>>7300826
keyed

[Anonymous No.7308156]

>>7300826
>NOOOOOOOOOOO, I USED MY ENTIRE SAVINGS TO HOARD OLD CONSOLES SO I CAN RESELL THEM AND MAKE A BIG PROFIT, YOU NEED TO BUY THEM, NOOOOOOOO DON'T JUST EMULATE FOR FREE THAT'S ILLEGAL NOOOOOOO!!!!!

lol seethe

[Anonymous No.7308162]

>>7302380
it's in detroit.

[Anonymous No.7308168]

>>7303542
Emulator Netplay

[Anonymous No.7308515]

>>7301851
Technically the save deleting glitch doesn't happen on flashcarts so I'd say that's still the best way to PLAY the game. The mods are awesome obviously but the fact that they're all put together with gameshark spaghetti code means crashes are inevitable and, depending on the mod, sometimes a very regular occurrence.

[Anonymous No.7308526]

>>7300809
No.

[Anonymous No.7308601]

>>7300809
Why didn't The Sheldon just properly code his own N64 emulator?

[Anonymous No.7308620]

>>7308601
Because he's a physicist not a programmer

[Anonymous No.7308627]

>>7308601
That requires actual talent of a nerd. Sheldon is just a pitiful autistic dweeb. A bit like all the posters on /g/.

[Anonymous No.7308637]

>>7300809
Almost all

[Anonymous No.7308645]

>>7308601
wasn't he like a theoretical physicist or something? so he never had any practical skills or know how, just spergery

[Anonymous No.7308660]

>>7300809
This show was shit. Essentially black face for nerds. You should feel bad for posting this shit.

[Anonymous No.7308683]

>>7308660
the show was shit but that phrase is so fucking retarded, nerd was never a culture, in fact, the concept of nerd culture is some late 00s hipsterism soi bullshit to sell garbage and ironically was created by pop culture shit like Big Bang Theory, You are also parroting every stupid memetuber who made the exact same dumb remark

[Anonymous No.7308731]

>>7301494
I agree. Unlike >>7301823 I think the faster speed makes the game much more enjoyable.