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Can someone explain to me how adding a 3d printed bracket makes this fan worth 45 quid more expensive?

>> No.7282709

>>7282679
You honestly don’t need to do this. Just clean the old fan. It’s louder yeah but for consoles of the time it’s actually fairly quiet. The fat PS2s pre-50000 series and the 1.0 Xboxes are SO much louder. Just live with the stock Dreamcast fan it’s fine.

>> No.7282719

>>7282709
This, this crap is just for youtube zoomers who want to go broke building the "ULTIMATE DREAMCAST!!!" with an ode, hdmi mod, and presumably stuff like this

>> No.7282750

>>7282719
>>7282709
I read you need the nocuta fan because the dreamcast gets hotter when using an gdemu is that not true?. Still if i was gonna do it id jsut ge thte fan and parts seperate i dont get how people will pay such a huge markup for some cheap parts

>> No.7282896

>>7282679
Because playing with old toy has become very popular with hipsters and they're retarded. Just as retarded as people who cry about them paying money for retarded stuff.

>>7282750
If you read it in the internet it's probably fake news

>> No.7282907

>>7282750
>dreamcast gets hotter when using an gdemu is that not true
There's an entire power rail that goes unused, the 12 volt, if you don't have a GDROM drive in it
This makes the regulator responsible for that rail run a bit toasty. It's fairly easy to mod it out if you have any soldering experience at all.
Them AliExpress chinks are even manufacturing new power supplies without this problem too.

>> No.7282919

Brought to you by the kind of faggot who consooms Apple products.

>> No.7282936

>>7282907
Oh ill jsut remove the regulator then thanks

>> No.7282938

>>7282750
As this anon >>7282907 mentioned, the DreamCast will run hotter with a GDEMU because the 12V rail (normally used for powering the drive) goes unused. As the DreamCast uses an old linear PSU, all the power for the 12V will be produced whether it's needed or not, and all of it has to go somewhere, so it is dissipated from the PSU as heat.
However, for ~$50, you can perform the PicoPSU (I think that's what it's called) mod, which replaces the old linear PSU with a modern switching PSU. This way the DreamCast will stay much cooler, and it's a much more elegant solution than installing a stronger fan. Plus it removes a bunch of electrolytic capacitors that are part of the original PSU, which would probably eventually require servicing anyway.
I did a GDEMU+PicoPSU install on my DreamCast and I'm very happy with it.

>> No.7282946

>>7282919
I'd assume thats the type to pay that much for 3d printed parts yes lel
>>7282938
I looked into the pico psu but having an external psu brick seems annoying, replacing caps isn't really an issue it takes like 5 minutes

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>>7282936
Should I also remove the resistor?

>> No.7282950

>>7282709
>>7282719
the main reason to replace the fan is that once you have an ODE, it's the only noise the console makes. it's distracting in the absence of grindy disc drive noises.

>> No.7282952

>>7282950
>distracting
fan noise is soothing anon

>> No.7283219

>>7282947
Yes remove it.
The point of the noctua mod is the stock fan is loud. Not to improve cooling. Also 60 quid is way too fucking much. Try laserbear.net

>> No.7283415

>>7283219
>>7282938
>>7282907
If you don't remove the resistor/install PicoPSU will it damage the system? I live in a pretty cold area and keep things pretty cold. I put some cardboard in the shell the give it better airflow but it still worries me.

>> No.7283626

>>7283415
It's hard to say for certain. I don't think it will cause immediate damage, but every part has a finite lifespan, and running them hotter than they're meant to will certainly shorten that lifespan.
Posts in this thread seem to indicate that the excess heat can actually ruin the GDEMU itself, but some of the posters in this thread don't seem like they really know what they're talking about:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/dreamcast-gdemu-from-aliexpress-amazon.533300/page-7
(read the following pages as well)

I'm >>7282938 btw, and I'd suggest you do something about it. Doesn't have to be the PicoPSU, if you can solder and would prefer removing the resistor then do that. I think any of them are better than just hoping it doesn't break.

>> No.7283628

>>7282938
Please dont remove working PSUs to put in pico crap.

>> No.7283672
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Is there a way to make the gd-rom drive less noisy?

>> No.7283873

>>7283628
>pico crap
Spoken like someone that's never used one. I kept my OEM PSU as a backup but the console is definitely running cooler without it now.

>> No.7283887

>>7283873
Why would you replace a perfectly working, professionally engendered power supply for something designed by a hobbest and built in the cheapest of cheap Chinese factory?

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>>7282950
If you have an ODE you can still experience the drive noises as the developers originally intended by installing the Authentic Sound Perfect Immersive Experience mod. This connects to the ODE and recreates the drive noises through a small on board speaker.

>> No.7285132

>>7282950
Sorry but that’s retarded

>> No.7285153

>>7283415
Don’t worry about it. GDemu creator says the heat is nothing to worry about. He doesn’t even recommend you remove the 12v rail. Personally I removed the rail and the resistor and my Dreamcast has been fine. Heat is obviously bad for components but there definitely hasn’t been widespread reports of dying Dreamcasts as a result of GDemu heat. Just remove the rail + resistor (though I’ve also heard removing the resistor isn’t necessary, mine hasn’t had any problems without it) and don’t worry about it.

>> No.7285183

>>7283672
Replace it with ODE
Otherwise lube the rails but the GD-ROM drive will always be noisy

>> No.7285186

>>7283628
This. Maintain your OEM PSU.

>> No.7285476

>>7283415
No. It won't damage anything.

>>7285153
Deunan is a moron, collingall has measured nearly 10C temp drop with the regulator removed.

>> No.7285553

>>7285476
Well yes I’m not claiming that it doesn’t drop the temp. It objectively does. The claim is that it simply isn’t necessary to do. I still recommend doing it. It’s just not something worth worrying about after you do.

>> No.7285595

>>7285183
Isn't replacing the optic drive with an ISO reader basically a glorified emulator at this point?

>> No.7285629

>>7285595
no because it doesn't make the dreamcast emulate itself, are you retarded?

>> No.7285636

>>7285629
It's still pretty much a fake dreamcast now.

>> No.7285648 [DELETED] 

>>7285636
no it has a fake disc drive, the rest of the hardware is stick

>> No.7285651

>>7285636
no it has a fake disc drive, the rest of the hardware is stock

>> No.7285705

>>7285153
>a tard says it's nothing to worry about
So you're saying he should worry?

>>7285595
>isn't replacing cope with cope basically cope?
Yes

>> No.7286050

>>7285705
Sure man whatever

>> No.7286074

>>7282907
>Them AliExpress chinks are even manufacturing new power supplies without this problem too.
I love this shit because it makes it cheaper for me to buy Japanese consoles and just replace the PSU to support the 200-volt span instead of having to gut a more expensive PAL console for it. Most earlier consoles like the Super Famicom just used a generic external power supply with a barrel connector.

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>>7286074
I've jsut ordered a hello kitty dreamcast from japan not sure whether to put a dreampsu or original in, I cant see any original 220v psus on aliexpress. There are some that say they support eu/us and japan but they look a bit dodgy. So not sure what to get

>> No.7286210

>>7286161
fuck never mind someone outbid me when i wasn't paying attention

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>>7282679
you must be new to capitalism

>> No.7286256

>>7286239
audiophiles deserve death

>> No.7286258

>>7286161
>>7286210
Well, next time, I would suggest you get a DreamPSU. I would replace my internal PSUs even if I lived in Japan because the modern ones are simply better, they don't produce as much heat which is apparently very useful with the Dreamcast especially, they don't pull as much electricity, and some of those old PSUs might start blowing capacitors soon.

>> No.7286308

>>7286258
There’s a lot more to a PSU than not producing heat or not pulling a lot of power. Even power distribution, for starters. All of the modern PSU replacements fluctuate in power far more than the OEM PSU and you’d be a fool to trust these chintzy things. You’re far better off cleaning and recapping your original PSU. These new ones may run cooler but they are absolutely not “better.”

>> No.7286379

>>7282679
When you buy something, you're not just paying for the cost of producing the item. You're subsidizing research and development, marketing, and other costs.

You fucking child.

>> No.7286381

>>7286379
The 3d models for the printed parts were published online by some dude for free all these guys are doing is printing them

>> No.7286430

>>7286308
>tarters. All of the modern PSU replacements fluctuate in power far more than the OEM PSU and you’d be a fool to trust these chintzy things
Why is this? Aren't all the individual power outputs specced for standard voltages like 9, 5 and whatnot? And a lot of OEM power supplies were notoriously unreliable, like early PS1 revisions.

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>>7283887
Because the bulk of the PSU isn't even in the case anymore, you hook up a power brick like this instead of basically having the equivalent inside the Dreamcast. That, coupled with the Dreamcast PSUs being prone to failure over time (black screen reset) and reducing heat inside the console are compelling reasons. My PSU in my second Dreamcast had the issue I mentioned earlier.

>> No.7286762

>>7282679
Because they're saving you the time and money of buying a 3d printer and designing it. This is how products works in literally every market.

>Why does a shirt cost $20??? It's only $2 in fabric???

>> No.7286793

>>7286762
>product isn't designed by them
>getting it printed by someone who does printing would cost about 5 dollars

>> No.7286827

>>7286381
Not the anon you're coping to but why don't you just print them and stop crying about it? Is it because 3D printers aren't free and you're too retarded to use one?

>> No.7286841

>>7286827
I'm not coping defending such a ridiculous markup seems more like cope from someone who has bought the product. I dont have a printer because ive never needed one but asked someone who does printing on ebay how much it would cost, not getting one now anyway as anons above said its not necessary

>> No.7288137

>>7286841
>coping about not coping
lol. You're not getting one because you're poor.