/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7266256]

The map in vice city/vice city stories is tiny, claustrophobic, and just plain boring. If they could pull off the huge map in San Andreas, I don't see why they couldn't make vice city bigger.

[Anonymous No.7266281]

>>7266256
>preferring 90s nigger shit over 80s kino
kys faggot.

[Anonymous No.7266292]

>>7266256

1. It's big enough for the story, setting, and missions. Pretty much every area gets used once.

2. It is bigger than the III map. A lot of it ended up being wasted on beaches and water though.

3. SA's map seems a bit too big. In that you could easily have had 2 more campaigns with two new characters to use up all the space in it.

[Anonymous No.7266301]

Vice City was made in a year and was originally intended as an expansion to III. They didn't have unlimited time and resources to make a huge map. Try and inform yourself next time you dumb fucking zoomie. Not really surprising though, people who get into GTA through San Andreas have always been dumb as rocks. Muh map size, muh jetpack.

[Anonymous No.7266615]

>>7266292
surely sa aint that much bigger than 4

[Anonymous No.7266647]

>>7266615

'm just going by online maps I didn't make.

>5 feels smaller because 3/4 of the map is just mountains and fields with few settlements
>SA appears to actually have more cities if you combine all 3 vs. 5
>SA map is way more jam packed with locations and settings
>4 has a lot of roads making it feel bigger.

[Anonymous No.7266692]

>>7266281
>80s kino
80s is overrated as fuck.

[Anonymous No.7266761]

>>7266256
it's like they improved the technology with time or something, I don't know man

[Anonymous No.7268513]

>>7266256
Baby steps. They had to build up to SA

[Anonymous No.7268538]

>>7266692
zoom zoom.

[Anonymous No.7268624]

>>7268538
I'm a millennial. 80's are overrated as fuck.

[Anonymous No.7268670]

>>7268624
Worst generation with the worst taste.

[Anonymous No.7268690]

>>7266256
>I don't see why they couldn't make vice city bigger.
well go figure out, it's not our job to educate you

[Anonymous No.7269497]

>>7268624
No it is not.

[Anonymous No.7269514]

Anyone else prefer the top-down GTA games? Chinatown Wars is the peak of the series as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous No.7269520]

>>7266647

[Anonymous No.7269563]

>>7266256
sa is not as big as it "feels", they just made it seem bigger with how they presented it, how they unlocked it bit by bit etc. vc is just a crime thriller set in a specific location whereas sa is trying to be a kind of wacky "road movie" for half of it where the protagonist is wandering in exile. when tenpenny takes you out of the city and dumps you in the middle of nowhere it instantly makes the world seem vast because of the feeling of displacement generated by the storytelling, even thought the actual physical distance is nothing special and you could just go back to grove street by grabbing a fast vehicle and holding the gas for a couple of minutes. so what you're reacting to here might not be the literal scale as much as the fact that the story is explicitly a journey and therefore emphasizes distance.

[Anonymous No.7269635]

>>7268624
Must’ve never done cocaine before. Who doesn’t like ultra violence and creature features? Zoomie

[Anonymous No.7269704]

Large open worlds are boring and empty. GTA 3 and Vice City are the right size.

[Anonymous No.7269706]

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS

[Anonymous No.7269710]

>>7266256
This game always boredom filtered me when they make you do all the side-hustle shit before the finale. This game's ending could be absolutely fantastic, MGS3 tier, and maybe I'd finally understand why people love this game so damn much. I highly doubt it, though.

[Anonymous No.7269713]

>>7266292
>SA's map seems a bit too big. In that you could easily have had 2 more campaigns with two new characters to use up all the space in it.
literally was the plan. they only ever did it kinda in 5 (where half the map also wasnt used anyway lol)

[Anonymous No.7269716]

>>7266256
vice city came out two years before san andreas

[Anonymous No.7269717]

>>7269710
(continued) I'm sure most people like it because muh childhood and muh 80s. Games have delivered on the aesthetic/era in far better ways, though.

[Anonymous No.7269723]

it really seems like “3D era” GTA is my replay game. i seem to gravitate to replaying III, Vice City, and SA every other year. if i wasnt a lazy fuck i’d get an android emulator to play the Stories games.

[Anonymous No.7269725]

>>7266301
>map size
Yeah, I get you
>shitting on a fun and rewarding late-game traversal option
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7269731]

>>7269723
Why those versions instead of PCSX2 or PPSSPP? Android emulation sucks and I'm sure those 2012 phone games suck too.

[Anonymous No.7269743]

>>7269723
This is interesting to me because I played all 3 a ton, have lots of nostalgia of just hanging out with my best friend while he played GTA SA and I played PC (the classic rock tunes are burned in my memory), and have a high opinion of them. But I've never replayed any of them, and don't have any urge to either.

[Anonymous No.7269765]

>>7269731
PSP emulation... how did i forget about PSP...

[Anonymous No.7269801]

>>7269743
oh man it doesnt stop there. i once read multiple fan wiki’s about in universe lore of GTA. every replay i swear, i hear new random voice lines or catch a joke/reference i never got before. im a huge fanboy of that era of GTA.

[Anonymous No.7270925]

>>7269765
PSP works best imho.

[Anonymous No.7271481]

>>7266256
it was a TC mod of GTA3 completed in 1 year

[Anonymous No.7271823]

>>7266256
>y-you cant make a map tightly designed, it has to be useless and empty like san andreas

[Anonymous No.7271887]

>>7266256
yes where are the giant emeny fields with nothing in them >:(

[Anonymous No.7271920]

>>7266281
>m-muh vaporwave!
fuckin zoomers dude i swear to christ

[Anonymous No.7271995]

GTA
SA > VC > III
IV > V > TLAD > TBOGT

[Anonymous No.7271996]

>>7268624
>>7268670
I'm a zoomer and he's retarded, 80s are based.

[Anonymous No.7272012]

I prefer VCs map because I know where everything is without checking the map, so it feels like home.

[Anonymous No.7272021]

>>7272012
That's how I feel about III too. Seems like we could go many years without touching the games but still remember where everything is.

[Anonymous No.7272029]

>>7272021
Yeah, it could be because we played it a lot, but I played SA as much as VC and I can only remember certain areas.

[Anonymous No.7272036]

>>7271481
fun fact, GTA 5 still has code from GTA III in there. and placeholder animations from GTA SA. on PC if you mod it, or lag it out enough on consoles, the ragdoll physics stop and you’ll recognise some of the death animations from GTA SA.

[Anonymous No.7272139]

>>7271920
Die bitch. Just cause you spent the eighties in your basement doesn't mean everyone else should pretend to hate them.

[Anonymous No.7272142]

>>7272021
To be fair, 3 had no ingame map

[Anonymous No.7272178]

Man, SA overblown as fuck. Yeah, the game is good itself, I bought it on Steam like two months ago, fan-patched and 100%ed for the first time and it still holds up really well (but goddamn that stuntplane race). But that huge ass map and forced CJ travel across the state take away all the muh nigga atmosphere from the game. There are also a ton of useless mechanics like fighting styles, tuning or RPG system. SA can be on par with VC but not better by any means. VC just feel way tighter and better done gameplay-wise.

[Anonymous No.7272893]

>>7272178
>useless mechanics like fighting styles, tuning
I loved getting the karate moves because you can do a sprint and kick. And tuning made things awesome back in the day because you were getting NFSU shit in a GTA game, which were 2 hyped series back then.

[Anonymous No.7272921]

>>7268670
He's just a fag. I'm a millennial, but all my favorite movies when I was a kid were from the 80's. 90's were possibly the worst decade in cinema ever. 90's videos games are better than 80's, though.

[Anonymous No.7272945]

>>7271920
Vice city is Miami vice/Scarface nostalgia. Vaporware is just meaningless zoomer shit.

[Anonymous No.7274245]

>>7266292
What's top right?

[Anonymous No.7274264]

>>7270925
Fuck you and fuck your filters.
Makes everything in the game look like a shitty watercolor painting.

[Anonymous No.7274303]

Vice City was supposed to be a expansion for 3, and was also made in like less than a year. San Andreas is nigger shit and also worse in many ways. Less is more.

[Anonymous No.7274306]

>>7266256
Florida isnt very exciting irl either

[Anonymous No.7274312]

>>7272945
Vaporware is a game that has never been released, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.7274327]

>>7274303
>nigger shit
>Sheltered kid is filtered by the best GTA because of his racism.
I'm okay with that

[Anonymous No.7274328]

>>7274327
Big yikes and oofpilled, my sweet summer child.

[Anonymous No.7274329]

>>7274312
>Vaporware is a game

It's not a game then, is it, champ?

[Anonymous No.7274336]

>>7274329
>makes an ass out of himself
>n-no u
Everytime.

[Anonymous No.7274353]

SA is better than VC on every objective aspect.

[Anonymous No.7274365]

>>7274353
B-but... there's black people... It makes little Timmy afraid. :(

[Anonymous No.7274393]

>>7269514
Chinatown kinda sucks

[Anonymous No.7274398]

>>7269710
The ending just copies scarface ending except with scarface winning...
They copy it with scarface losing earlier in the game

[Anonymous No.7274402]

>>7274245

Downtown Manhattan in real life

>>7266292

Christ, I really hope this isn't supposed to show any sort of scale, because its so fucking out of wack, it's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.7274454]

>>7274303
based. the only good thing about SA for me is K-DST.

[Anonymous No.7274845]

>>7268624
no it isn't and it wasn't as blown out back then, contrarian faggot

[Anonymous No.7274903]

>>7274402
>Downtown Manhattan in real life
No

[Anonymous No.7275237]

>>7274903
it's the lower tip anon, holy fuck

[Anonymous No.7275619]

>>7274903
...
Yes?

[Anonymous No.7275647]

actual 80s were quite plain, just like the 90s
"le neon miami-vice 80s" are extremely overrated as they are oversaturated

that said, gta:sa tries too hard to be oversaturated on 90s as vice city was on 80s, all the while trying to do too many things

[Anonymous No.7275701]

>>7275647

It's drawn from Miami Vice and Scarface.

[Anonymous No.7276462]

>>7266256
A big map isn't necessarily a better map anon. SA's map was neat but nowadays looks ugly as sin especially with the draw distance - it's too big for its own good. Vice City, while small, had a lot of charm to it and playing it never made me think of it as too small - though I admit I'm biased toward beaches and palm trees.

[Anonymous No.7276636]

>blocks your progress

[Anonymous No.7277689]

>>7269514
Same
>>7274393
You must have played it for like 10 minutes zoomie scum.

[Anonymous No.7278320]

I wish Lance joined you in more missions after killing Diaz.

[Anonymous No.7278359]

>>7266281
>>7271920
>>7268538
>>7269635
>>7271996
>kino based zoomer cringe kino kino based cringe zoomer cringe

[Anonymous No.7278563]

>>7276636
Wasn't really hard. That segment of the game was pretty weak though. Only picks up again once you pick up your brother.

[Anonymous No.7278575]

>>7266256
Imagine liking nigger shit and not 80's kino lmao kys

[Anonymous No.7278751]

>>7278575
Kys /pol/scumbag, I love both.

[Anonymous No.7278752]

>>7278575
Based as fuck.

>>7278751
sóy

[Anonymous No.7278943]

>>7271920

the 80s were all about outrun, not vaporwave

[Anonymous No.7280051]

>>7278752
Tranny twink

[Anonymous No.7280057]

>>7278563
It was hard mate. But yeah getting sweet back picks things up because it's all gangbanging from thereon.

[Anonymous No.7280064]

>>7266256
SA is better in almost every way. People only say they like this more because of /pol/ shit, but if you asked them when they were kids, they would've told you SA is better.

[Anonymous No.7280156]

>>7280064
Believe it or not but only Americans think SA is superior. It's a good game and obviously is superior is sheer gameplay but VC has amounts of soul that were never replicated again.

[Anonymous No.7280201]

>>7280064
Must suck not being white, but telling yourself lies won't change that. Only mutts that worship blacks genuinely prefer SA. Everyone I know irl that has played both prefers Vice City.

[Anonymous No.7280686]

>>7280201
>Everyone I know irl that has played both prefers Vice City.
so no one?

[Anonymous No.7281787]

>>7266256
It's almost like Vice City is an older game or something.

[Anonymous No.7282242]

>>7280064
It's better mechanically, but I do feel like the map is is a bit too big, or at least not utilized that well in many of the areas. Story starts to lose focus for quite a while after you leave Los Santos as well. Great radio though, but then again, Vice City has great radio as well.
I personally prefer III to both of them, but I like the gloomy atmosphere, and having the majority of the radio being originally produced tracks was awesome. Map was also very tightly designed and everything about it feels memorable.

[Anonymous No.7282281]

>>7282242

The loss of focus is likely because the game had like 3 protagonists in the first draft of the game. It was not technologically feasable to switch to three characters. That's why like 2/3 of the story barely has anything to do with CJ and effectively just him going free agent mercenary.

All of those missions outside Los Santos would have been done by characters who stared in the other two cities. My guess on their identies:

>Asian guy affiliated with Chinese gangs in San Fierro
>Italian guy affiliated with Mafia in Los Venturas

[Anonymous No.7282292]

>>7282281

My guess this is how the original story is structured:

>CJ starts in Los Santos
>gets kicked out and makes it to San Fierro
>meets protagonist #2
>CJ stops having missions but you can switch to him and run around
>New guy has a storyline in San Fierro and most of the same missions
>Chinese affilated guy who is into racing
>Through Woozie he goes to Los Venturas
>Meets Protagonist #3, Italian Mafia guy
>he works for Leone but decides to betray him
>they all plan a heist and CJ + Protagonist 2 + 3 take part
>Heist is a multi-character mission where you play a bit as CJ, then as the other two
>CJ has his ending storyline as he goes back to Los Santos

[Anonymous No.7282295]

>>7280064
No not at all. Normies says SA was the best of them all. I will admit it obviously has the most content of them all and maybe be more fun to fuck around in; however, III and VC have exponentially more soul than SA ever did and I find myself coming back to them year after year.

[Anonymous No.7282993]

>>7266292
This doesn't look like it's to scale at all

[Anonymous No.7283060]

>>7282242
GTA is about so much more than just story missions. Having a large and varied map is therefore a good thing even if they fail to utilise it all in missions.
SA's map opened up a whole new level of possibilities in the "dicking around" department, which was a major achievement at the time and well worth the price when it comes to loss of focus. Just the ability to seamlessly travel to different regions that were atmospherically distinct was an incredibly huge deal. I see no reason not to have a large map.
If some non-Rockstar dev made a sort of SA spiritual sequel, I personally think the cities in SA were just the right size, but I'd actually go even bigger with the countryside, and bump the max vehicle speed to keep travel times down.

My biggest problem with SA is how the atmosphere starts off so incredibly strong at the start, and then really drops off after Los Santos. Some aspects are still fairly good, but it does usually feel kinda detached and "mercenary-like".
I also wish they made more use of the map's scale in the missions. The ending shouldn't have been so focused on LS, the hunt for Tenpenny/Smoke should've been statewide.

[Anonymous No.7283242]

>>7283060
>Having a large and varied map is therefore a good thing even if they fail to utilise it all in missions.
wrong. consistency and utilization are more important than shoving as many "themes" into a world as possible
the work saved on inflating the world size can be instead spent on detailing the smaller world, or make the smaller world more dynamic

>the ability to seamlessly travel to different regions that were atmospherically distinct was an incredibly huge deal
except in SA it's hardly seamless - for the most part: be in one environment, cross a bridge, be in another environment
you just don't have loading screens

[Anonymous No.7284279]

I thought VC's map was plenty big enough, it's also packed with traffic so if you drive like a retard your car blows up in no time
how is the PS4 version of San Andreas? better then PC or nay?
got GTA 3 for original Xbox, never completed it, always got filtered when the Yakuza shows up for some reason (was in my teens last time I tried to beat it, probably just a shitty attention span)

[Anonymous No.7284339]

>>7266256
the map had to be small because otherwise there wouldn't be enough room on the disc for all the soul

[Anonymous No.7284360]

>>7266256
San Andreas came after retard

[Anonymous No.7284383]

The best part of these games was the music
Its a good 'interactive exerience' but shitty games.
The 2d ones were more videogamey

[Anonymous No.7284414]

>>7268624
80s were overall better than today. People were still mostly adults and had values but parts of the 80s are definitely overrated. Shit and expensive tech, content hard to get, drugs, healthcare was way worse (in quality), and, as hard as it is to accept, kids were generally shittier in the 80s. You can say liberals pussified kids today but it's still better than the bullying culture that went around in the 80s and 90s. Some kids were utterly miserable. Boomers were awful parents.

[Anonymous No.7285861]

>>7278359
>things are given names

>proceeds to seethe because things are given names

why are you retarded, good sir?

[Anonymous No.7287160]

>>7271823
are you capable on disagreeing with an argument or making one that's not just
>see the funny faced person said it that's you
>the buff guy said this that's me

[Anonymous No.7287179]

>>7284414
are the 00's destined to be the only good modern decade

[Anonymous No.7287352]

>>7274264
Just like the devs intended

[Anonymous No.7287539]

>>7287179
The '00s were a cultural identity crisis, I'll take '10s over that any day.

[Anonymous No.7287754]

>>7269723
i'm currently playing through VC again, gonna do III after I get 100%
3D is more than nostalgia, it's a full package experience

[Anonymous No.7287860]

>>7287539
>I'll take '10s over that any day.
Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.7287870]

>>7266292
this isnt remotely close to scale. vice city is not bigger than gta 4 lmao

[Anonymous No.7288042]

>>7266256
Why doesn’t anybody care about GTA Underground Online?

[Anonymous No.7288070]

>>7284279

Wasnt the PS4 version just an emulated ps2?

[Anonymous No.7288250]

>>7278359
This

[Anonymous No.7288349]

>>7280064
It is pretty much objectively superior in every regard. It added plenty of new features, improved upon every mechanic that the previous titles either botched or missed, gave us a giant world rather than just one city and a story that was over the top but engaging. It was an ambitious game for its time. VCtrannies will scream "m-muh soul" or "m-muh niggers" to tell you why they think it's bad, but SA is one of the few games that actually lived up to the hype and more.

[Anonymous No.7289748]

>>7288349
>VCtrannies

This is an 18+ board little boy, keep the kiddy insults on the playground.

[Anonymous No.7290039]

>>7271920
>>7271823
Who are you quoting?
>>7269497
I don't agree with people who bash 80s because they are frustrated with the sheer amount of muh retro pixel indie trash and synthwave, but i can understand them.

[Anonymous No.7290053]

>>7274903
>Yonkers
>Tuckahoe
>Hackensack
Those names sound like an actual hydrocephalus trying to speak came up with them.

[Anonymous No.7290074]

>>7280156
Oхлaди тpaхaниe yглeплacтик, San Andreas was objectively better in every way except maybe palette and car models. That's part of why it became that memetic.

[Anonymous No.7290084]

>>7283060
>SA's map opened up a whole new level of possibilities in the "dicking around" department
Shame that in GTA there wasn't (and still isn't) any way to dick around except start genocide and eventually die fighting the cops.

[Anonymous No.7290178]

>>7287179
Confirmed zoomer with objectively wrong take

[Anonymous No.7290185]

>>7290178
How were the 00's not the best modern decade?
>inb4 m-muh 90's

[Anonymous No.7290189]

>>7285861
why are you a parrot, good sir?

[Anonymous No.7290247]

>>7290074
>>7280156
If only the PC port for SA wasn't so fucking awful. What's the best way to play it? Vice City I already beat.

[Anonymous No.7290472]

>>7290247
Silentpatch fixes everything.

[Anonymous No.7290484]

>>7290247
PS2 or better yet, Xbox.

[Anonymous No.7290705]

>>7290247
there's an essentials pack on mixmods.br, some kind of brazilian gta modding site, it could help you, also get skygfx for that ps2 lighting and reflections

[Anonymous No.7290846]

>>7290484
Silentpatch offers PS2 and Xbox lighting and cars.

[Anonymous No.7290867]

>>7290247
Just on an OG Xbox. I bit the bullet last year on one and have no regrets. VC, SA and GTA3 look great running in 720 on my OLED.

[Anonymous No.7291003]

>>7290867
>OG Xbox
>720
lies

[Anonymous No.7291057]

>>7291003
A lot of games can be patched or are natively 720p/1080i anon.

[Anonymous No.7291118]

>>7291057
I stand corrected. Holy shit, when I left the xbox-scene it was just a couple of games that sorta ran. But it seems like the scene did not sleep, although some games require the RAM upgrade.
https://www.obscuregamers.com/threads/og-xbox-720p-patches.1757/

[Anonymous No.7291137]

>>7266256
That was a beautful game, just too vulgar and not clever enough. It was a mistake to have late 90's humour in an 80's game

[Anonymous No.7291159]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMprAdNifM

[Anonymous No.7291183]

>>7291118
Pretty much every game has a patch. Some don’t work well or at all but it’s very easy to implement. The ram upgrade is very wel worth it and is not hard. I have a halo and a crystal clear Xbox with the hyperkin hdmi cable both with the ram upgrade. It looks hella crisp and is really nice. Just make sure to see if you have a 1.5 or lower Xbox so you can clip the clock cap. Chip it with a flash Aladdin 4032+. Recap your PSU and motherboard for a nice clean signal. Slap in an SSD and enjoy. All in all it’s around $100 for the setup. Definitely my favorite retro console

[Anonymous No.7291193]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srvluOMudr0

[Anonymous No.7291215]

San Andreas is a bloated mess and a chore to play

[Anonymous No.7291250]

>>7290074
>except maybe palette and car models
Ya it was too brown for my tastes.

[Anonymous No.7291258]

Has Rockstar ever made an Expressionist or Noir game?

[Anonymous No.7291260]

>>7291258
https://volcanocat.blogspot.com/2016/11/dark-passage-bogart-loses-face-but-wins.html?m=1

[Anonymous No.7291295]

>>7291183
I only have a 1.0 with monster component cables.
But I guess that ship has sailed, haven't used my xbox for at least 5 years.

[Anonymous No.7291434]

>>7282281
>>7282292
>The loss of focus is likely because the game had like 3 protagonists in the first draft of the game. It was not technologically feasable to switch to three characters. That's why like 2/3 of the story barely has anything to do with CJ and effectively just him going free agent mercenary.
GTA5 had the same problem where michael's story is rushed, franklin's story feels unfinished and trevor's lacked any direction.

>All of those missions outside Los Santos would have been done by characters who stared in the other two cities.
woozie would've likely been PC #2 and my guess for PC #3 would've either been claude or caesar

[Anonymous No.7291540]

>>7291258
yea it was literally called LA Noire

[Anonymous No.7293034]

>>7291540
he said game not movie

[Anonymous No.7293376]

>>7287754
Nice, I'm currently doing the opposite, I only have like 5 packages and 3 jumps to find. The packages from VC I believe were based on a Miami Vice episode or something where they were smuggling drugs through little tiki statutes.

[Anonymous No.7293707]

>>7268538
>zoom zoom.
I'm fairly certain that by this point there's more zoomers "LOVING THE 80'S MAN, NEON LIGHTS AND MANLY ACTION HEROES" than there are boomers alive.

[Anonymous No.7295023]

>>7266281
fpbp

[Anonymous No.7295092]

>>7272921
Movies peaked in the 90's. You might be retarded. You should get yourself checked.

[Anonymous No.7295160]

>>7291137
That's every GTA game. Vulgar and nihilistic humor to cover for not saying anything interesting or engaging. It's like how the series has a running gag where talk shows are bloviating and obnoxious, so to make fun of that...they make them bloviating and obnoxious, which means I don't really want to listen to them because if they are plenty obnoxious enough in real life why would I want to recreate that in my video game experience?

[Anonymous No.7295194]

>>7266256
The 6th gen was a period of rapid development and it should be understood that SA was 3 years after GTA III where they got a lot better at optimizing the PS2 hardware and making a more expansive game. Vice City is basically just GTA III plus.