/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7262049]

I admit it, its better than OoT.

[Anonymous No.7262061]

No but it is pretty fucking good.

[Anonymous No.7262067]

No, but it's sure better than Shitwaker and Halitosis of the Wild.

[Anonymous No.7262092]

I feel like this game didn't go through the 'Zelda Cycle' that the later games have. I remember people disliking Wind Waker (even calling it 'Celda') so there wasn't much to be disappointed about with TP. I guessed they liked WW more in retrospect?

>>7262067
>halitosis of the wild

That caught me off guard.

[Anonymous No.7262095]

>>7262049
no its not

>>7262061
>7262061
its not good, at all
its the one you should skip

"it gets better " is not an excuse either

[Anonymous No.7262096]

>>7262067
Honestly, what the fuck were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.7262387]

>>7262049
Indeed, it's basically OoT only realized when the understanding of how to make 3D console games actually fun and intuitive to play had reached acceptable maturity and consoles finally had the hardware to support it.

It's the second only to WW as a 3D Zelda IMHO, this mostly because to me WW feels like a spiritual successor to LttP (Zelda and it's conventions in it's purest form), whereas TP is an iterative betterment of OoT with a new plot.

>>7262092
I remember the "Celda" debacle being mostly N64-kid faggots wanting a "mature" and edgy Zelda to show PS owners Nintendo wasn't just for kids, and since these faggots thought Zelda only should look like the abomination rendered in murky diarrhea and vaseline on their N64 they sperged the fuck out when they saw the beautiful, expressive and vibrant WW being more in tone to LttP, which they also hate.

As for BotW, it isn't Zelda. It's an unholy marriage of Goat Simulator and No Man's Sky with swords, thinly draped in sparse Zelda iconography. It's a make-your-own-fun Fidget virtual Spinner for idiots.

[Anonymous No.7262395]

>>7262095
> "it gets better " is not an excuse either
Except it actually is. TP is one of the few games that gets better in the second half. The second half has one of the greatest runs of 3 consecutive dungeons in any game ever. You go from Snowpeak Ruins to Temple of Time to City in the Sky. All amazing dungeons that deserve a place in the Zelda hall of fame. People constantly excuse games that shit the bed in the first half (*cough* *Dark Souls 1*) so why not a game that gets better in the second half?

[Anonymous No.7262397]

>>7262395
Meant to say shit the bed in the second half. DS1 should have ended at Anor Londo with O&S as the final boss.

[Anonymous No.7262515]

>>7262096
they weren't

[Anonymous No.7262532]

>>7262096
>>7262515
> what the fuck were they thinking?
"Holy fuck we have to shit something out ASAP to save the Gamecube"
> "But Miyamoto San, the game is only 1/3 of the way finished"
"Well figure something out or commit sudoku"

[Anonymous No.7262584]

>>7262049
Is the WIIU version the best version?

[Anonymous No.7262589]

>>7262096
I'll take toon twink over those fucking wolf segments any fucking time

[Anonymous No.7262591]

>>7262584
Yes, and ignore the faggots who will tell you otherwise for asinine reasons like amibo shit that you can just ignore. The textures and models are significantly improved without messing with the artstyle. It's pretty much a textbook example of how to make a good remaster.

[Anonymous No.7262595]

>>7262395
oh god you reminded me of that goofy snowboarding section to reach the ice dungeon

that's not exploration, that's a goddamn circus and part of the reason this game is not as good as OoT

[Anonymous No.7262606]

>>7262595
The snowboarding was fun and soulful. I remember having fun practicing it over and over to try to get the heart piece from the time trial.

[Anonymous No.7262608]

>>7262584
Absolutely, flicking the Wii-motes on the Wii version gets old really fucking fast and the GC version is 4:3 and feel cramped as a result. If you don't have a WiiU just play the GC version on the Dolphing emulator.

[Anonymous No.7262614]

>>7262606
I hate minigames as substitute for travel.

Minigames are only fun if it's like a shop you go inside of and pay to play. Thats immersive. On an ice mountain I just want to run climb around and explore.

[Anonymous No.7262626]

>>7262387
peak contrarian

>>7262584
yes actually, despite Miiverse being dead

[Anonymous No.7262683]

>>7262049
I can complete OoT in the time it takes to get though this games extended tutorial section.

[Anonymous No.7262706]

>>7262683
Doubt it. OOT is a pretty lengthy game too.

[Anonymous No.7262709]

>>7262049
I admit it, I hid this thread

[Anonymous No.7262763]

>>7262049
Nope, fuck those bug-hunting sidequests and the furfag bait they rode in on.

>>7262683
I could at least get through the first three childhood dungeons.

[Anonymous No.7262774]

>>7262608
the 1 good thing on wii was bow and arrow controls

[Anonymous No.7262779]

>>7262049
You need to see a neurologist, you are clearly suffering some sort of brain damage.

[Anonymous No.7262783]

>>7262709
I started using thread hiding recently and it's very nice.

[Anonymous No.7262784]

>>7262683
No joke I once beat Ocarina in around 4 hours.
I think I can do the first two child dungeons in the time it takes to do the fucking farming segment in TP

[Anonymous No.7262791]

>>7262049
>The wolf sections are all trash
>Midna is just anime shit
>You don't even get an entire twilight dungeon.
>You can't go off the path and explorer, the game locks you into areas
>Endless intro
>Hideous characters
>Get these awful children away from me.
>I don't want to buy shit from a baby
>Let's go save the digital world
>tonal clash
>fuck howling stones
>fuck doggos
>fishing looks so fucking stupid in this
I could go into much more detail on this fucking game, but it's not worth the energy.

[Anonymous No.7262797]

>>7262591
>>7262626
Is that amibo shite just shit you can turn off in options or is lit shoehorned in? Eg. like NPC's saying, 'Hey you should get an amibo, Link!', etc?

[Anonymous No.7262798]

>>7262608
>>7262774
>flicking the Wii-motes on the Wii version gets old really fucking fast

Not /vr/, of course, but does same apply to Skyward Sword?

[Anonymous No.7262802]

>>7262049
Pretty good but far too easy, art style is perfect but some design decisions really hold it back.
Had the potential to become peak Zelda but they let it slip.

[Anonymous No.7262804]

>>7262798
It would get old if the fucking motion+ controls would actually work half the fucking time.

[Anonymous No.7262806]

>>7262791
I'll add

>linear and boring as fuck Temple of Time, only put there to lure and decieve nostalgiafags of OoT

[Anonymous No.7262807]

>>7262797
Nothing like that, it's just that you'll find "stamps" in dungeons that are useless but won't impact the game or story, just view them a collectibles.

[Anonymous No.7262810]

>>7262049
I played this game under the absolute best circumstances possible, that being one of the retard kids who didn't play Wind Waker because the cartoon art style.
This was the game I wanted when I saw the stupid Spaceworld demo of Link fighting Ganondorf back in 2000. I waited 7 years for it. I had it preordered for 4 of those years. I read every interview and watched every trailer I could possibly find.

This game was fucking awful. I think 3 hours in was the point where I gave up and realized the game was going to be a piece of shit. Twilight Princess isn't fit to lick the shit off of Ocarina's boots.

[Anonymous No.7262815]

>>7262810
They let you preorder 4 years in advance?

Also, did BOTW at least fulfill your anticipation of playing a proper Zelda game from your childhood excitement of watching the Spaceworld demo?

[Anonymous No.7262817]

>>7262804
Lol, I forgot you needed that shitty gyro to play Skyward.

Mario Galaxy on the other hand actually used it properly imo.

[Anonymous No.7262821]

>>7262817
The original wiimote, I mean. Didn't need the wiimote plus thing I don't think.

[Anonymous No.7262823]

>>7262810
my story pretty much, "it got better" yeah but what a cope

[Anonymous No.7262830]

>>7262815
When I first preordered Twilight Princess it was just "The Legend of Zelda (Gamecube, Working Title)"
The game was known to be in development but didn't have the E3 2004 trailer or official Twilight Princess subtitle. I specifically recall preordering it shortly after Wind Waker came out. Twilight Princess was repeatedly delayed over and over again, 4 years seems like a long time but a year and a half of that was just delays if I'm remembering correctly.

And no, Breath of the Wild never fulfilled the original fantasy of the Spaceworld demo. Playing Twilight Princess and seeing how shitty it was made me realize that everything I wanted out of the Zelda franchise was retarded. It didn't need to be realistic like the Spaceworld demo, and it damn sure didn't need to try to be Ocarina, because I became convinced that Nintendo were hacks who would never outdo Ocarina.

By the time Breath of the Wild came out my fantasy for the series became that it would stop having 5 hour tutorials and being generally disgusting and an insult to the franchise name. Which Breath of the Wild was absolutely a step in the right direction, I however hated the weapon durability and shrine systems so I found the game rather mediocre with no replay value.

[Anonymous No.7262835]

>>7262830
Ah, that's fair enough. Sorry to hear about your disenchantment.

Also, please don't say you switched to like Assassin's Creed or some shit as your evolution from Zelda.

[Anonymous No.7262839]

>>7262835
There was no "evolution" from Zelda. Ocarina remains the best 3D action adventure game of all time. The closest competitors are Arkham City and Pandora's Tower.

[Anonymous No.7262841]

>>7262798
Yes, they made the motion control gimmick the central focus and it destroyed that game, you have to constantly put the Wii-mote down on a flat surface to "recalibrate" and even then it won't work right and it'll just feel random and broken.

I've played through every main-line Zelda game at least a couple of times but I've never bothered with finishing SS, the controls just makes it such a fucking chore and it just takes you out of the game instead of immerse you in it.

Imagine doing this for 50 hours:

https://youtu.be/OfaMz6txAzs

[Anonymous No.7262845]

>>7262804
it is honestly pathetic that Twilight Princess on Wii controls a million times better than Skyward Sword.
literally the only thing in Skyward Sword that works is the fucking sword combat. God help you when you have to use an item.

[Anonymous No.7262850]

>>7262845
they should rerelease it but with the atari 5200 controller as a joycon and just map all your items to 7 digit phone numbers that you have to dial in followed by the pound key

[Anonymous No.7262851]

>>7262049
They both suck, and TP is the perfect heir of everything that was wrong with OoT

[Anonymous No.7262893]

>>7262841
>>7262845
Lol, there's at least some Troopers. Plenty of Skyward Sword speedruns on youtube.

[Anonymous No.7262913]

>>7262841
honest question, is Wii Motion+ coded in some way that it essentially disables the standard infrared motion controls?

Like could they not pick and choose between the two for certain things, program the game to use Wii Motion+ for sword and bombs and infrared for things like aiming and flying?

[Anonymous No.7262994]

>>7262387
>As for BotW, it isn't Zelda
BotW is more Zelda than anything that came out after the nes.

[Anonymous No.7263016]

>>7262845
>it is honestly pathetic that Twilight Princess on Wii controls a million times better than Skyward Sword
I'm still appalled at how aiming got so much worse in SS.
>literally the only thing in Skyward Sword that works is the fucking sword combat
It's the only motion control part that's natural in design, anything that would simply be done with the stick in any other game was replaced by weird wonky shit, swimming being the worst, I never managed to swim straight without wiggling the wiimore in circle.

[Anonymous No.7263023]

>>7262049
That's okay, Breath of the Wild still tops the Zelda franchise as the quintessential retro Zelda game.

[Anonymous No.7263056]

>>7262994
>zoomzoom I'm a typical BotW fag that calls himself a Zelda fan despite never liking any Zelda game before it

Many such cases and just another reason BotW is pure cancer. I mean, imagine being so far up your own ass as to call 30 years of games released "not really Zelda", these BotW cunts are operating on a whole new level of conceited entitlement.

[Anonymous No.7263064]

>>7263056
Your idea of Zelda likely is Aonuma hijacking the franchise to turn it into utter nonsense. Hint: it's not Zelda, it's the death of Zelda, which is why BotW was made to save the franchise by actually being Zelda like.

[Anonymous No.7263105]

>>7262049
Maybe at a functional level. It doesn’t have the creativity or freshness that OoT had, making OoT more memorable.

[Anonymous No.7263129]

I loved the realistic approach that this had. For me its like a high graphics zelda. They should do another hiperrealist emo dark Zelda title.

[Anonymous No.7263143]

>>7263129
Isn’t that BotW’s vein?

[Anonymous No.7263192]

>>7262595
Genuinely the best mini-game in TP, on the same scale as fishing.

[Anonymous No.7263193]

>>7262584
No, and anyone who says it is clearly hasn’t played the GameCube version. It looks worse and controls worse. The only benefit is Hero Mode (which sucks due to being locked to the Wii version’s mirrored world.)

[Anonymous No.7263413]

>>7263192
you people are retarded holly shit

[Anonymous No.7263420]

>>7262049
It's not but it's not a bad game either. Before SS there wasn't a single bad 3D Zelda game

[Anonymous No.7263517]

>>7262049
The first 3 hours of that game are excruciatingly slow

[Anonymous No.7263764]

>>7262049
I admit I’ve never played WW or TP, but I hate both and will never play either. TP seems like a rehash and I’m still one of those fags from 2003 that thinks the WW art style is gay.

[Anonymous No.7263814]

>>7263764
>I admit I’ve never played WW or TP, but I hate both and will never play either.
This is the average /vr/ retard

[Anonymous No.7263914]

>>7262797
You just find collectible miiverse items in some chests. Instead of opening a chest and being disappointed by a pathetic low denomination rupee, you will now be disappointed by a miiverse stamp. It's a non-issue relative to all the other major improvements the Wii U version brings. But I've seen some hardcore purists whining about it.

[Anonymous No.7263923]

>>7263143
No. BOTW is none of those things, and is pretty much the opposite of TP.
>>7262994
>>7263064
Holy thermonuclear cringe. This is on a whole nother level of pedantic. The "non-Zelda" games like ALTTP, OOT, and MM are the ones that made the series so critically acclaimed in the first place. This is equivalent to saying that the only real Mario game is Mario vs Donkey Kong.

[Anonymous No.7263959]

>>7263923
>ALTTP
Is the point it started to go off the rails by actively going against its roots.
>OOT
Same as ALttP, just worse and Nintendo trying to shill 3D for the sake of it made the game a much weaker entry, all the 3D sequels built upon OoT wrongs, with quality going down with each iteration.
>MM
Not Zelda anymore.

[Anonymous No.7263969]

>>7262049
It isn't better than pic related though...

[Anonymous No.7263973]

>>7262096
Looks and plays better than BotW.

[Anonymous No.7264001]

>>7263959
I genuinely can't tell if people who think this are just really good at baiting, or if people this brain damaged actually exist.

[Anonymous No.7264017]

>>7264001
>I've never played the nes games
>I understand absolutely nothing about what they accomplished
>god I love to suck aonuma's bullshit

[Anonymous No.7264023]

>>7264001
Zelda 2 fags are legit delusional

[Anonymous No.7264037]

>>7264023
Zelda 2 has much more satisfying combat than anything the franchise did until BotW.

[Anonymous No.7264071]

Never played this non retro garbage. I have never even seen gameplay to decide if I would consider it.

[Anonymous No.7264072]

>>7264037
Thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.7264157]

>>7262994
if your only criteria for Zelda is "I can explore and do things out of order" then maybe, but even then Zelda 1 locked you out of progress at different intervals

[Anonymous No.7264286]

>>7263764
>I’m still one of those fags from 2003 that thinks the WW art style is gay.
Same. I do like TP though.

[Anonymous No.7264460]

i think this game is good but it looks like dogshit almost to the point where im wondering if anyone made a mod to add some color to it so it didnt just look like a grey and brown mess

[Anonymous No.7264483]

>>7264017
Try harder faggot. I've played every mainline Zelda and most of the spinoffs, and BOTW is easily one of the worst in the series. And more similar to modern open world tripe like Shitcher 3 than it is to Zelda. It's absolutely nothing like the NES games in any respect.

[Anonymous No.7264490]

>>7262049
>not /vr...
>released 2006
>last game on gamecube
>fits to board rules
oh no

[Anonymous No.7264495]

>>7262049
>OoT
>TP
>WW
look at these plebs getting filtered and not appreciating the true Zelda experience.

[Anonymous No.7264502]

>>7264495
BEHOLD

[Anonymous No.7264521]

>>7262804
>>7262817
>>7262841
>>7262845
>>7263016
Wii Sports Resort controls 3 times better than the shit they pulled with SS, particularly the sword combat in Swordplay. I suggest Red Steel 2 as a game that takes good advantage of the MotionPlus as well.

[Anonymous No.7264626]

Four Swords Adventures was my favorite as a kid, me and my friends played both the adventure and the battle modes for god knows how many hours.
I have no doubt /vr/ hates it.

[Anonymous No.7264656]

>>7264626
It's either the most underrated 2D Zelda or at least top 3 along with Oracle of Seasons and Link Between Worlds.

[Anonymous No.7264713]

Feel good to be a Minish Cap connoisseur

[Anonymous No.7264721]

>>7264656
I understand people not liking that it’s self-contained serial levels instead of being one connected overworld, but I don’t mind it at all. The levels themselves are very well paced and still hit all the right notes. Temple of Darkness is my vote for most underrated dungeon in the series.

[Anonymous No.7264745]

>>7262994
The Legend of Zelda (1986):
>plopped onto the world immediately, only "intro" is arguably going through a cave on the very first screen to grab a sword from an old man
>not allowed to access the final boss until beating all nine dungeons, because there's a single old man in the way
>dungeons are full of mandatory challenging combat encounters
>while the dungeon order is looser than most Zeldas, some dungeons are still item gated, or at least require some degree of thought to find
>dungeons increase in difficulty based on level
>you have a single sword that never breaks and gets two straight damage upgrades
>can only hold one potion (red can be used twice) that's relatively expensive
>very well-balanced in terms of difficulty, every heart and upgrade counts
>world is condensed and devoid of busywork filler
>vast majority of the content is mandatory

Breath of the Wild (2017):
>forced to go through an extended tutorial before you're allowed to access the rest of the world
>can run straight to the final boss after completing the Great Plateau, the four divine beasts aren't required and just cut Calamity Ganon's HP in half
>dungeons have almost no combat, all non-boss enemies die in one hit (most combat encounters are optional in general)
>can go to any divine beast in any order, all four are right out in the open and are unlocked by lengthy scripted events
>dungeons have a flat difficulty
>you have many different weapons, all of them break except the Master Sword (which was nerfed to compensate)
>can hold a near endless amount of healing items that are trivial to find/make
>laughably balanced, there's a ton of ways to break the game (armor, food, flurry rush, parries, etc)
>world is incredibly bloated and is full of boilerplate content
>vast majority of the content is optional

>inb4 appeal to superficial concepts/ideas and pretend that's the same as core game design

[Anonymous No.7264751]

>>7262791
>Midna is just anime shit
Midna is the only improvement in the entire fucking game.

[Anonymous No.7264979]

>>7262049
This and WW were great.

[Anonymous No.7265001]

>>7264495
I can't think of a single Zelda game before Skyward that I didn't legit enjoy in someway besides 2. I can't tell if people are just too picky, it's all just shit posting for fun or if the internet has ruined people to the point that they think they're allowed allowed to like the peak of something in their opinion and that's it.

[Anonymous No.7265023]

>>7265001
Twilight Princess felt like a chore to me. It was just so, soooo drawn out. I think it's 2-3x the average playtime of OOT but roughly the same amount of content. Plus it had this really ugly washed out color scheme. Then you get to Ganon's castle which they teased for the entire game (I remember being able to see it from most of the map), and it was just a couple of rooms and a really shitty sword fight in a field with Ganon.

Before I played it I was one of those fans who thinks anything from X-series (Zelda in this case) is gold, but Twilight Princess was a huge kick in the nuts.

[Anonymous No.7265787]

TP has a really cool world and good dungeons but all the fucking padding and railroading can fuck off. The wolf shit is never fun either. A TP romhack that just makes everything open from the beginning with no cutscenes and you start in Hyrule field or something would be pretty great, just fucking go nuts and beat the game. Too bad you have deal with 30 minute horse escorts and having to chase fart clouds as a dog.

[Anonymous No.7265986]

>>7264751
>chibi character
>snagglefang
>prehensile hair
>SECRETINCREDIBLEPOWER to turn into a giant 6 armed kaiju
>doesn't live up to the art
>tsundere

[Anonymous No.7266112]

>>7262049
>>7262061

I remember /v/ slamming this game on the daily. The Zelda cycle is real.

[Anonymous No.7266189]

>>7262049
OoT isn't the lord of all games or anything like they say, but it's better than TP. TP has some pretty weak choices in terms of exploration, poor use of items outside their dungeons, a much more tedius beginning, and wolf segments that just aren't good. It needed to go into planning longer than it did.

Horse combat sections WERE fun, though and the sword fighting was great.

[Anonymous No.7266221]

>>7265787
>Likes the game, but can’t handle half an hour of a slow intro.

Take your ADD medicine, son.

[Anonymous No.7266320]

>>7265986
>SECRETINCREDIBLEPOWER to turn into a giant 6 armed kaiju
This, and how much of a downgrade her non-imp for was, is the only stupid thing.

[Anonymous No.7266326]

>>7266320
>>7265986
She doesn't have a secret power to transform, retards. It's the power of the relics you spent the first half of the game looking for that let's her do that.

[Anonymous No.7266336]

>>7266326
Yeah but it looked bad

[Anonymous No.7266350]

>>7264023
There are only 2 good Zelda games: they both came out on the NES.

[Anonymous No.7266354]

>>7263923
Um, no. Zelda 1 & 2 are the games that made the series critically acclaimed, or are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.7266357]

>>7266221
>OOT with 2x the length and less content
>We're not suppose to notice
You just eat whatever shit Nintendo squirts out don't you?

[Anonymous No.7266368]

>>7266221
>making excuses for shit Ocarina got right with less staff, less dev time, and being their first 3D full adventure game and having loads of unique for the time mechanics
No.
If they respected people in 1998 enough to give them an almost entirely optional tutorial for a game that played like nothing else ever released, Twilight Princess has no excuse for being the 4th 3D Zelda and not doing the same.

[Anonymous No.7266402]

>>7264713
Based. Nintendo should just hand the license over to Capcom.

[Anonymous No.7266570]

>>7266350
Stupid Zelda 2 cuck. There's a reason no one takes the likes of you serious.

[Anonymous No.7266626]

>>7262049
Didn't like the wolf shit at first but it grew on me. Some of the dungeons drag this one down a little but I'd still put it in my top 3 zelda games.

[Anonymous No.7266641]

>>7262791
>Midna is anime shit
LoZ has been "anime" since day 1.

[Anonymous No.7266646]

>>7262095
Literally the only 3D zelda that should be skipped is SS, and even then, somebody a bit broke in the head could probably still enjoy that.

[Anonymous No.7266763]

>>7266641
Idiot take

[Anonymous No.7267036]

Water dungeons are the best parts of 3D Zeldas, change my fucking mind

[Anonymous No.7267072]

>>7266763
He's not wrong, though. The artwork of the original Zelda look like something that would be animated by Toei.

[Anonymous No.7267103]

>>7266646
I never played SS, what did it do so badly? I remember people praising it because it wasnt twilight princess

[Anonymous No.7267213]

>>7267072
Okay, but is it filled with retarded anime tropes?

[Anonymous No.7267246]

>>7267213
Well, the concept of a "Demon King" (Maou) and "Evil Beasts" (Mazyu) to call Ganon and his monsters as the original Famicom manual is very, VERY prevalent in fantasy anime, from Slayers, to Rayearth, nowadays too with Danmachi, or even Konosuba even if the latter is a comedy.

[Anonymous No.7267270]

>>7267246
That's bog-standard fantasy.

[Anonymous No.7267296]

>>7267270
What do you consider "retarded anime tropes", then? I see /a/ complain about these terms calling them that.

[Anonymous No.7267336]

>>7262387
>WW feels like a spiritual successor to LttP

[Anonymous No.7267364]

>>7267296
I think that specific example applies differently to anime than to games.
Shit like, "Oh my god, he's using his mega attack, that's due to his upbringing in japanese animation studio, where a single mistake meant he had to redraw the entire anime and as a result he now has perfect grace and the rage of a thousand crumpled drawings. If that attack hits, then we are doomed for sure. I am going to keep talking because voiceovers are a lot cheaper than animation."
Midna, in essence, doesn't belong in hyrule and not in a "she's from the twilight, that's intentional" sense.
It's like if batman showed up, it just doesn't fit.

[Anonymous No.7267365]

>>7267336
You WILL post the green frog and all of its permutations.

You WILL post the feels guy and all of its permutations.

You WILL use one or more of the following words in your posts
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You WILL create threads using ONLY the tried and tested formulas we have prepared for you
>this kills/triggers the ...
>you will never ...
>now that the dust has settled ...
>what went wrong?
>for me it's ...
>what the fuck was his problem?
>what did he mean by this
>blocks your path
>nuthin personnel kid
>so this is the power of ...
>imagine the ...

You WON'T create original content.

You WON'T be funny.

You WON'T change.

[Anonymous No.7267937]

>>7262387
LMAO. This is the final form of a WW shill. Yea in retrospect WW was great. I thoroughly enjoyed it back then. But man the N64 graphics was peak gaming graphics. Every improvement was a step backwards. I bet you like F Zero GX too. I bet you loved the shitty soundtrack too.

[Anonymous No.7267975]

>>7267937
Nothing he said is wrong.

[Anonymous No.7267983]

>>7262049
it isn't.

[Anonymous No.7268007]

>>7267072
>>7267213
>>7267246
>>7267270
classic

[Anonymous No.7268046]

>brown=realism
>weird, vaguely WW-esque character designs that clash with the way Link and Zelda look, making them seem out of place
>gadgets are the least relevant they've ever been, often becoming useless outside their own dungeon
>atrocious pacing
If anything, it's a case study in why you never, ever listen to your fans.

[Anonymous No.7268050]

>>7267246
Zelda should take more inspiration from Slayers, I feel

[Anonymous No.7268053]

>>7268050
In my opinion, I think Ocarina of Time's art direction was inspired in part by Slayers. I just see first anime Gourry and Adult Link looking a bit similar. Must be the long eyelashes.
Also, Based Slayersbro.

[Anonymous No.7268057]

>>7268053
I think it's more that it was the style of the time, but I could be wrong. I remember hearing that the art was basically an interpretation of the character models so it would enhance your imagination rather than clash with it, but that doesn't mean they didn't pull something from the most popular fantasy series running at the time.

[Anonymous No.7268059]

>>7268053
The eyelashes seem like a stylistic thing that was common with other anime/manga/Japanese art at the time
I mean shit even the fish have them

[Anonymous No.7268060]

>>7268057
>>7268059
Yeah, Koizumi did the 3D models and Nakano drew his representation of them, similar to how Akira Kitamura made the original Mega Man sprite and Keiji Inafune made the 3D artwork sheets.

That said, while maybe it's just because it was the 90's, Slayers was such a massive thing back then I don't doubt, even unconciously, Nakano or Koizumi had it in mind. Nakano is a HUGE nerd though, so I imagine him having the LNs or the manga. He has several issues of Hellboy, and it shows with the Majora's Mask artwork.

[Anonymous No.7268085]

>>7262049
>admitting a falsehood
not applicable

[Anonymous No.7268182]

>>7262049
It's not even close. The pacing is dogshit. It takes hours for the game to properly start, and almost everything is railroaded. Way too much bloat. OOT destroys TP in how focused it is.

[Anonymous No.7269053]

>>7268007
Nigger you know what anime tropes are.

[Anonymous No.7269426]

It's the best 3D Zelda

[Anonymous No.7269439]

This is one of the most disappointing games I ever played. I've never felt more swindled out of money than by Twilight Princess.

[Anonymous No.7269442]

>>7269439
lol fag

[Anonymous No.7269491]

>>7267937
>the N64 graphics was peak gaming graphics
have a (you)

[Anonymous No.7271261]

>>7267937
>I bet you like F Zero GX too. I bet you loved the shitty soundtrack too.
Oh it's just F-Zero GX Contrarian Anon. Why would you expose yourself by adding this embarrassment to your post?

[Anonymous No.7272230]

>>7267336
You WILL post the green frog and all of its permutations.

You WILL post the feels guy and all of its permutations.

You WILL use one or more of the following words in your posts
>meme, alpha, beta, blackpill, boomer, bruh, chad, chud, comfy, consoomer, cope, cringe, cuck, dilate, discord, doge, doomer, dubs, enbie, have sex, kek, gatekeeping, incel, lel, lole, manlet, mfw, nofap, poggers, reddit, redpill, seethe, shitpost, simp, sjw, sneed, onions, stacy, tfw, thot, trad, tranny, twitter, upvote, vtuber, wholesome, weeaboo, wojak, zoomer

You WILL create threads using ONLY the tried and tested formulas we have prepared for you
>this kills/triggers the ...
>you will never ...
>now that the dust has settled ...
>what went wrong?
>for me it's ...
>what the fuck was his problem?
>what did he mean by this
>blocks your path
>nuthin personnel kid
>so this is the power of ...
>imagine the ...

You WON'T create original content.

You WON'T be funny.

You WON'T change.

[vaginaisevil !!xBEjDksE4NW No.7272239]

>>7267336
He had pink hair and the thing was cartoon tier.

Think about it.

not him

also, actually use your words next time

[Anonymous No.7272285]

>>7262049
No, but it's really good and the perfect scratch if you still have an itch after playing the N64 Zeldas.
I played it when it was released and there is a lot of rose tinted nostalgia for the time and the console for me, but I clearly remember enjoying the game, but also felt from the moment I finished it that it wasn't as good as OoT.
It really shines in parts. The swordplay (GCN) felt better than OoT, the dungeons where better too nd tried hard to the "epic fantasy" wake the LotR trilogy left.
But it also fell into the same traps Banjo-Tooie did. They tried to make it bigger and it just turned out sprawling and the pacing was off and some tasks are just fucking chores. Also it tried to be the more epic OoT and at the sime time, totally-not-OoT for some reason which made some items and details weirdly convoluted.
It's a great game, really. But if we are brutally honest, considering the series it's part of, it is nothing special. As in it gets outshined on almost every aspect by other installments.

[Anonymous No.7272289]

>>7267937
>>7271261
F-Zero GX is great, saying otherwise shows a lack of taste. X was better though.

>>7272285
It had the same problem a lot of GCN games had. The N64 games that game before them were hard acts to follow. They were legends even back then.
So many GCN games felt like great games that tried to hard to be better/different and fell slightly short. The one game from the console that was completely and objectively better than its excellent predecessor was Rogue Leader.

[Anonymous No.7273145]

>>7272289
Melee too

[Anonymous No.7273190]

YAH YAH YAH YAH YAH

DAY AFTER DAY, YOUR WHOLE LIFE'S A WRECK

[Anonymous No.7274051]

>>7267246
>>7268053
>>7268053
Post more Slayers OOT side by side comparisons

[Anonymous No.7274062]

>>7274051
Well it might be a cliche choice, but I always considered Adult Link looking kinda like Gourry when Gourry's angry/serious.

Moreso in Akira Himekawa's manga version.

[Anonymous No.7274069]

>>7274062

[Anonymous No.7274078]

>>7274062
>>7274069

The pentagon shaped eye seems consistent.

I've heard Slayers mentioned as a similar style before.

[Anonymous No.7274083]

>>7274078
Yeah, there's even an AMV from way back 2004 using Slayers footage of Gourry with the LINK HE COME TO TOWN COME TO SAVE THE PRINCESS ZELDA song mis-attributed to System of a Down.

Here's a reupload https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9MaZmrpe5Q

[Anonymous No.7274096]

>>7274083
If it was an actual System of a Down song youtube would have pruned that AMV along with the rest of them long ago.

[Anonymous No.7274107]

>>7274096
It was a different time. Tons of songs on Napster were mislabelled.
The internet was smaller and misinformation was more rampant.

[Anonymous No.7274132]

>>7274107
yeah, i meant is almost surprising to see one the classic AMVs that survived the youtube holocaust.

[Anonymous No.7274189]

>>7274132
Oh yeah, I agree. I think it might've been partly the Zelda and Slayers fandom autism working together to back this up to. I used to make AMVs but mone died due to footage and not the songs themselves.

I wanna go back...

[Anonymous No.7274197]

>>7274051
not an art comparison but this guy definitely influenced the Mask Salesman in MM

[Anonymous No.7274528]

>>7274197

I can absolutely see this.

[Anonymous No.7274624]

>>7262049
Absurdly long orientation/tutorial section in the beginning

Wolf gimmick was stupid, you're literally forced to stop playing zelda and start playing a shitty wolf game at predetermined intervals

[Anonymous No.7274663]

>>7262049
I admit it, after this no Zelda game could compete.

[Anonymous No.7275182]

>>7274624
For me it wasn't the parts that were tutorial. It was the pointless filler in the early part that DIDN'T teach you anything, like getting a cat home, that felt like my time was being wasted on purpose to pad length.

[Anonymous No.7276132]

I think we all know what the real best zelda is

[Anonymous No.7276173]

Does anyone know any good Zelda retrospectives? I'd read through most of Tourian Tourist's Hyrule Blog and watched all of King K's, but I'm hungry for more.

[Anonymous No.7276180]

>>7266570
>Zelda 2 cuck
It’s waaaaaaay better than Twilight Princess, unless you’re some kinda homo.

[Anonymous No.7276183]

>>7276132
pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.7276191]

>>7267937
WW looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than OoT.

[Anonymous No.7277631]

>>7262584
Dolphin is best

[Anonymous No.7277716]

>>7262839
>Arkham City
Anon, what are you...
>and Pandora’s Tower
Never mind, based tastes

[Anonymous No.7277720]

>>7263923
The only REAL Mario game is Donkey Kong 1994

[Anonymous No.7277729]

what are the zeldas ranked? I want to play from worst to best

[Anonymous No.7277735]

>>7277729
You know this is the worst place to ask this, right? Between the divisiveness of the Zelda fandom + /vr/'s usual contrarian self, you're not going to get honest answers and you're better off doing your own research yourself.

If you want to play absolute bottom of the barrel though, play the CDi games through the PC port and turn OFF Remastered Mode for the miserable experience of those games.

[Anonymous No.7277736]

>>7267103
SS is linear as hell, and has a boss fight that both isn’t fun and is repeated three times.

But with that said, it has seriously great dungeon design and every “region” you visit plays like a linear dungeon as you progress through it but has shortcuts that turn them into fully-traverse-able zones.

Aside from some of the motion controls being wonky, it’s actually a very fun game, but it’s like a roller coaster- you’re railroaded through fun set pieces and have to experience several “climbs” to get to each one.

[Anonymous No.7277749]

>>7277729
It’s honestly so hard for me to rank the series in terms of quality nowadays, but even then, I’d say the essentials are:

1) ALttP
2) LA
3) OoS
5) MC
6) ALBW
7) LoZ

[Anonymous No.7277754]

>>7277749
>7) LoZ
get the fuck outta here
>no OoT
get the fuck outta here
>no MM
get the fuck outta here

[Anonymous No.7277823]

>>7277754
They’re fine games, I just think those seven are better.

[Anonymous No.7279415]

>>7262515
I can't decide. Saria or imp Midna ...

[Anonymous No.7279426]

>>7276180
lmao what shit taste

[Anonymous No.7280582]

>>7262096
"Instead of remaking LttP again, let's do something unique and memorable."
>>7262387
>>7263056
>>7263973
>m-muh breakable weapons
>muh lack of puzzle dungeons
>this isn't Zelda!
>>7264001
>brain damaged
That Anon is 100٪ on the money, and this just shows that you have no argument.

[Anonymous No.7280598]

>>7267937
How to tell when it's safe to dismiss what someone has to say in just two words:
>LMAO
>yea
I literally read no further. Would've been a waste or brain cells, really.

[Anonymous No.7280607]

Okami was better. the visuals still hold up too

[Anonymous No.7280613]

>>7279415
Her ass is too fat and takes up too much of her body. I can see the appeal of a loli body type with a big badonkadonk, but there needs to be more of a space between the bust and the hips than that, more of a waistline.

[Anonymous No.7280617]

>>7280607
>implying Wind Waker's don't because reasons

[Anonymous No.7280650]

>>7277729
1.Majoras mask
2.ocarina of time
3. Twilight Princess
3.Breath of the wild
4.windwaker
5. Skyward Sword
5.a link to the past
6.Zelda Ii

[Anonymous No.7282053]

Better than Zelda 2

[Anonymous No.7283487]

>>7280613
It's the cute face

[Anonymous No.7283513]

The combat as link is great, but the constant forced furry wolf combat is so mind numbing my dull; it ruins what could have been a pretty decent game.

[Anonymous No.7283516]

Also, the 2 hour tutorial at the beginning of the game completely ruins the replay factor. Yes, this game is from “that” era

[Anonymous No.7283931]

>>7283516
>Yes, this game is from “that” era

At least it wasn't the "you've been playing for an hour you need to take a 15 minute break" era of nintendo first party. That was the real worst era.

[Anonymous No.7284056]

>>7277729

Imho,

Links awakening, MM, OOT, WW, aLttP, TP

I didnt put Zelda I & II on purpose
Same thing for minish cap and OoA

[Anonymous No.7284060]

>>7280613
she just needs bigger tits. low T, you are

[Anonymous No.7284147]

>>7284060
Liking and not liking certain body times has nothing to do with testoerone. Why would you even say that? Why even make the original comment to begin with if that's how you're going to be anyone who prefers Saria?

And no, bigger tits would not solve the mishappeness of her body, just make her look like some weird dwarf.

[Anonymous No.7284161]

>>7279415
guys, what about Midna personality in Saria body?

[Anonymous No.7284162]

>>7284147
>Liking and not liking certain body times has nothing to do with testoerone.
as previously stated... low T

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/attraction-evolved/201612/how-testosterone-affects-what-men-find-attractive

[Anonymous No.7284192]

Porn Midna is okay but in game Midna looks disgusting, she's shaped like a bowling pin with a football shaped head and she's not even a shortstack because she's not stacked and she's still like 4 feet tall.

[Anonymous No.7284224]

>>7284162
>Research has suggested that men with naturally high levels of testosterone are more drawn to women with typically feminine faces: women with smaller jaws, bigger eyes, and higher eyebrows.

Check. Let's see what other favored features are linked to high T...


...Oh, wait. That's it. All the article concludes is that high T men prefer younger, feminine faces. Faces like Midna's (which I didn't comment on), and Saria's (who I already said I like more). Imagine that.

[Anonymous No.7284239]

>>7284192
Yeah. It's easy to find Midna sexy while you're playing the game, but beyond giving blowjobs her imp form isn't all that great, sexually.

[Anonymous No.7284256]

>>7284224
So you think that high testosterone is linked to wanting a feminine face but not a feminine body? Lol cope harder retard.

[Anonymous No.7284371]

>>7284256
You're the one coping, faggot. Put the goalpost down and just admit you didn't even read the article you fucking linked to, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.7284375]

>>7284256
Also, lmao at thinking Midna's imp form is "feminine".

[Anonymous No.7285496]

Bump

[Anonymous No.7287118]

I wish the games followed this art style more.

[Anonymous No.7287125]

[Anonymous No.7287134]

[Anonymous No.7287149]

>>7287118
Blame Aonuma. Motherfucker carried on with Wind Waker behind Miyamoto's back because he knew Miyamoto would've shot down Toon Link.

I wish Yoshiaki Koizumi was in charge of Zelda.

[Anonymous No.7287152]

>>7279415
NGL, Midna gave me a shortstack fetish.

[Anonymous No.7287164]

>>7287152
Legit the worst character design to date in Zelda

[Anonymous No.7287174]

>>7287164
That's just, like, your opinion, man.

[Anonymous No.7287181]

>>7277729
Ocarina of Time
Majora’s Mask
Link’s Awakening
A Link to the Past
Breath of the Wild
A Link Between Worlds
Skyward Sword
Twilight Princess
The Wind Waker
The Minish Cap
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda
The Adventure of Link
Spirit Tracks
Phantom Hourglass
Triforce Heroes
Four Swords Adventures
Four Swords

[Anonymous No.7287193]

>>7262049
Something being longer and bigger doesn't mean better. It's more dreamy tough and I love that...but ocarina of time made me feel so weird inside, it was so fucking organic in terms of sound and visuals, the monsters, the low poly love, Link growing up was magic. Twilight had better tech and hardware but couldn't touch what OoT achived at the time.

[Anonymous No.7287204]

>>7267072
Can't compare those animes to modern cringy animes that appeared in the late 90's. Midna is very tsundere.

[Anonymous No.7287218]

>>7287204
>Modern
>Late 90's
Anon, that was 23 years ago. Plus, not all anime was Evangelion back in those final years in the decade. There was also Excel Saga.

[Anonymous No.7287394]

[Anonymous No.7287551]

>>7262095
Wind Waker is the one you should skip. It starts okay then ends like a wet fart. Twilight Princess starts weak.

[Anonymous No.7288646]

>>7262049
Why did people hate the wolf bits? I thought they were neat.

[Anonymous No.7288921]

>>7288646
I hated it because they were ugly and killed the pace of the game, but once I realized the whole game was like that I stopped holding them in such contempt.

[Anonymous No.7288963]

>>7262049
after going through ocarina like 100 times since I was a kid I can see that

[Anonymous No.7289017]

>>7287394
10/10

[Anonymous No.7289109]

>>7277729
MM
OOT
LoZ
LoZ II
LA
OoS
OoA
aLttP

The rest of them are not retro.

[Anonymous No.7289128]

>>7287152
>Shortstack
Midna needs to have some giant breasts.

[Anonymous No.7289129]

>>7287394
kek

[Anonymous No.7289210]

>>7289128
Not giant, just proportional to her hips. That's the problem with designating Midna as a shortstack: while her bottom half is all baby making hips, she's got the top half of a loli. This might not be so bad if she were a little taller, but she's got almost no waist to speak of, just a flat bust resting on top a giant ass.

[Anonymous No.7289686]

>>7262595
To be fair OoT doesn't have much exploration either. Everything in that game is a tiny barren map that takes like 2 minutes to get through.

[Anonymous No.7290547]

Solid as

[Anonymous No.7291965]

>>7287149
>I wish Yoshiaki Koizumi was in charge of Zelda
You and me both.
>that Iwata Asks where Koizumi suggested to Aonuma they switch places
>that asshole laughing and saying not a chance

[Anonymous No.7291975]

>>7287551
I like the start, comfy memories

>>7262591
The amibo shit ruins the purity but is not a big deal. I personally prefer the original for subjective reasons, just because it is the original release (wii or gcn doesn't matter)

>>7262387
I always saw TP as a better 3d version of Lttp, WW's ocean world is more reminiscent of OOT's flat plains (albeit with some cool areas) Lttp had interesting enough even in the filler areas, similar to TP, and the world was more interlinked and fun to explore.

I do like the art style of WW, and genuinely loved Phantom Hourglass and Spirit tracks as a kid, but I think I was always too old for WW before I ever got it, which sucks, because it is probably a good introduction to the series.

BotW is kino for exactly the reasons you expressed. Its like they took all of the shittyness of modern indie games and cobbled together something that is actually fun and playable. I just know I played the shit out of it when it came out.

For me, the core of the zelda series will always be:

1, 2, LttP, OoT (MM as a dlc, play when you get locked up as a kid in Temple of Time), TP, Skyward Sword, BotW.

TLDR

All of the games in the above paragraph are much better than Wind Wanker

[Anonymous No.7291983]

>>7287551
>Twilight Princess starts weak.
And ends weak desu

[Anonymous No.7291991]

>>7277749
>MC
>essential
You got a whole deal overrating the handheld ones in general too. At least you only listed 2d games oh I see what you did there

[Anonymous No.7292812]

twilight princess will never be retro

[Anonymous No.7293730]

>>7291965
Motherfucker.
Actually, Aonuma would fit Mario better. His focus on puzzle would give Mario some puzzle platforming and he likes cute things, whereas he hates stuff like Octoroks.

Meanwhile, Koizumi's "muh lore" and action gameplay focus would be a BLESSING for Zelda.

[Anonymous No.7293740]

How the fuck to fix the horizontal axis in this game?

[Anonymous No.7294703]

>>7262791
>You don't even get an entire twilight dungeon.
You do, it's the penultimate dungeon

[Anonymous No.7294708]

>>7262096
honestly, why is windwaker actually the best zelda and your taste just that bad ?

[Anonymous No.7294718]

>>7277729
From worst to best:
Skyward Sword
Zelda 2
Zelda 1
Link's Awakening
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
A Link to the Past
Twilight Princess
Breath of the Wild
Ocarina of Time

Though you should at least play the best three in the order of their release.

[Anonymous No.7294719]

>>7262584
it will inevitably be coming to the switch along with ww next month so just wait and see before buying a modern port of it

[Anonymous No.7294726]

>>7277777

[Anonymous No.7294732]

>>7277729
>MM (but you should play OOT first for context)
>Windwaker
>LTTP
>OOT
those are the good ones

[Anonymous No.7295363]

>>7262791
Don't forget
>Learning 8 weird skills you'll probably never even use
>Skeleton faggot makes you do the previous skill to unlock the new one and you gotta google how to do it because you forgot since last time
Fuu

[Anonymous No.7295381]

>>7295363
Said no one ever. The skills are brain-dead to execute, this isn't some Guilty Gear-tier supermove shit.