/CRT/ THREAD

[Anonymous No.7253971]

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

[Anonymous No.7253994]

dude right before getting smacked by white ginger saddam hussein not saddam hussein

[Anonymous No.7254001]

>>7253994
fun game, but constantly running out of fuel and scrambling to look for more was kinda annoying

[Anonymous No.7254036]

Are Diamondtron PC CRTs good? I can get one for 10 bucks.

[Anonymous No.7254048]

>>7254036
It doesn't say Diamondtron on it, it's not a Mitsubishi, it just has that kind of display. It's an HP P720.

[Anonymous No.7254052]

>>7253971
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast)
This OP is a fag.

[Anonymous No.7254063]

>>7254052
I just copied the previous one

[Anonymous No.7254176]

I've recently acquired a viewsonic p225. The hdmi-to-vga adapter works fine, however, it seems as though it's capabilities are limited. I can't use the highest resolutions nor can I crank up the fps. Which DAC would you boys recommend so that I can take full advantage of my new radiation box?

[Anonymous No.7254496]

>>7254001
>uggo composite

[Anonymous No.7254518]

>>7253971
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast)
I thought 6th and 7th gen were retro now?

[Anonymous No.7254532]

>>7254063
My crt and console are both 6th Gen

[Anonymous No.7254842]

[Anonymous No.7254869]

Can you only hook old systems up to a CRT?

No modern HDMI systems? I wanna run retroarch emulators on a CRT instead of my 4K LCD

[Anonymous No.7254886]

>>7254496
Composite is the superior crt experience

[Anonymous No.7254946]

>>7254842
The absolute state of this board... a lot of people make fun of youtubers, but most of what I know I've learned from LGR, My Life in Gaming and Retro Tech. Been doing the same for other subjects.
>>7254869
There's adapters, but the cheap ones are usually shit. You're better off getting a VGA monitor, provided you have a PC with VGA output.

[Anonymous No.7255000]

>>7254869
If your jraphics card has analog out then you can do some finnagalling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BVTHxc4LM

You can also get an old SFF PC or a Pi or something and emulate on that

[Anonymous No.7255143]

The two crts on the top: do you guys know what its called and if it's available anywhere?

[Anonymous No.7255152]

[Anonymous No.7255314]

>>7255143
High resolution trinitron PVMs.

[Anonymous No.7255853]

>>7253971

[Anonymous No.7255859]

>>7255314
>High resolution
how high for crt?

[Anonymous No.7255869]

>>7255859
600-800tvl

[Anonymous No.7255870]

>>7254946
What?

I have two different Chinese HDMI to VGA adapters with audio and they work great.
The only thing is the audio lags slightly.
The video is lag free and the computer can identify the monitor.

Many resolutions and hz work.

I even use it with an HDMI TV tuner.

[Anonymous No.7255873]

>>7255859
Standard definition. The "high resolution" in SD monitors refers to the TVL. >>7255869

[Anonymous No.7255880]

>>7254532
I just got one of these.

[Anonymous No.7256082]

>>7255870
>The only thing is the audio lags slightly.
That's the shit part. I suppose you can use an external speaker instead.

[Anonymous No.7256273]

Just picked up this bad boy today. $5 at a real legitnl thrift store. Narrow hallways, big furniture, the whole experience.

Buttons on the front panel don't work (shocker), but the remote came with it and that works just fine.
This has the most picture settings I've seen on an old TV in a while, but I think this came out near the late 2000s since it has a sticker about the antenna-box switch in 2009.
I know Magnavox (Philips?) is high quality. I'm only disappointed by the lack of inputs. One (1) coaxial on the back and one composite port on the front.
Would prefer S Video but not on the TV evidently... and I would like all ports on the back but it's still a steal either way.
Yes it's a flat screen.

[Anonymous No.7256307]

>>7256273
It's a Magnavox 14MS2331 / 17

[Anonymous No.7256326]

There is a B&O Avant 28 DVD going for €90 near me, should I ?
It's 100Hz and 16:9, so useless for vidya, but it would be nice for tapes and LD.

[Anonymous No.7256331]

>>7256273
Also as far as I know, you can feed S-Video through a coaxial port. Or am I wrong about that? I'm assuming it will lose some quality.

>>7256326
I like the design, if you have a good place to put it I would do it.

[Anonymous No.7256431]

>>7255152
what is that, art nouveau-punk?

[Anonymous No.7256452]

>>7255143
Anon, if you’ve never even heard of those before, you probably shouldn’t be trying to get your hands on one.

[Anonymous No.7256661]

>>7256326
a little expensive, I would only go for it if you're a crt superfan and want even your HD content on a crt

[Anonymous No.7257029]

>>7253971
Thank God the usual OP is back. I was starting to think every body died after Hiroshima allowed sixth generation console on the board.

[Anonymous No.7257071]

lol

[Anonymous No.7257386]

So I want to get an 20inch HR Trinitron Multiformat monitor, is there anywhere besides Ebay where I'll have a snow's chance in hell of having one shipped to my house?

[Anonymous No.7257467]

Anyone know if the jvc tm1500ps was a pvm or just for security cameras?

[Anonymous No.7257472]

[Anonymous No.7257475]

>>7257467
>TM

Broadcast (professional) monitor. PVM is a Sony branding thing by the way, just call them broadcast monitors.

[Anonymous No.7257497]

>>7255143
The one on the top right is probably pvm-14m4e. If you find it i highly recommend getting one, unless you find something better. My unit is in great shape and i cherish it everyday.

[Anonymous No.7257554]

>>7253971
My crt is having some part of the screen distorted, wider at the edge especially when there are some yellow colors, and text makes the whole line darker, kinda like a background. I think I need to replace some capacitors but I'm not sure if that's the case/ there are other fix to be made. Suggestions?

[Anonymous No.7257592]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmtmWk3puGg

[Anonymous No.7257725]

>>7256326
I would get that thing just for the cool factor alone. If you can transport it, then go for it

[Anonymous No.7257743]

>>7257386
Gotta go hunting. There's no way you're getting one shipped w/o paying out the ass.

[Anonymous No.7257746]

>>7253971
I imagine it's best to ask here: how do I connect a Famicom to a TV? It only has an "RF switch" in the back and I don't have a cable. I have a (Japanese) CRT as well but it only has AV in the front. I understand there's different types of boxes, cables, connectors, etc. but I'm pretty unfamiliar. It's too much hassle to buy another CRT because it was hell enough finding this one. What exactly do I look for? A RF to AV converter? etc.

[Anonymous No.7257761]

>>7257386
>shipped to my house

Most freight companies will only go to a loading dock unless you pay extra for a lift gate but the sunk costs in all that really isn't worth it.

[Anonymous No.7258442]

>>7257746
The CRT doesn't have RF at all, even in the back? That is really unusual. If that's the case, you could buy an RF to AV converter, but I'm not sure how that would interact with the Famicom since it normally broadcasts on different channels than American NTSC consoles. It might make no difference and work fine, but I'd look into it just to be sure.

Another idea is to mod yourself or have your Famicom AV modded. The AV Famicom (gray console) is also a good choice. But if you're not interested in buying another or the mod, I guess try the converter.

[Anonymous No.7258508]

>>7254036
>>7254048
Bump

[Anonymous No.7258916]

>>7257592

Comfy

[Anonymous No.7259037]

>>7258442
Japan mostly didn’t use RF, hence why the Japanese MegaDrive doesn’t have any RF shielding.

[Anonymous No.7259210]

>>7258442
The only thing I see is a UHF screw, which I assume is for an antenna. Is it something like this? Plus the appropriate RF cable.

[Anonymous No.7259239]

>>7259210
This is the original peripheral. So RF out goes into this box, and then I use male-to-male composite cables to connect it to the TV, making it two boxes? That doesn't seem right.

[Anonymous No.7259242]

>>7259210
This is the original Famicom peripheral. So RF out goes into this box, and then I use male-to-male composite cables to connect it to the TV, making it two boxes? That doesn't seem right.

[Anonymous No.7259247]

Unironically want the Spongebob tv when I move. Some people sell it with free shipping on ebay for some reason lol.

[Anonymous No.7259261]

I got some VHS tapes at a yard sale and one of them had some kind of sizzle reel for a skydiving place that was nearby and when I looked it up most of the people in the tape died from a plane crash like less than a year after the tape was from. I hope it wasnt the only copy that family had of them or something. When I bought it they said it was probably some cartoons their kid had recorded because it was unlabled.

[Anonymous No.7259735]

[Anonymous No.7259797]

>>7259735
I always avoid sales like bottom one. It's overpriced and when you try to negotiate they go apeshit "I KNOW WHAT I HAVE!". Best to search for "old computer monitor".

[Anonymous No.7259865]

>>7256661
I don't have any modern TV, I watch Netflix on a 20" PVM on my PS3.
Anyway, I want this set, but my car just ended at the mechanic this morning, so I'll probably postpone this until next month if it's still available

[Anonymous No.7259867]

What happened to the pastebins that used to be in these threads? I need a calibration guide if you look at >>7256273 in the top right of the screen it looks semi warped

[Anonymous No.7259878]

I just found and scanned a photo from when I tried taking pics of games on my old CRT growing up.

[Anonymous No.7259920]

>>7259242
I remember having those twin cables hooked up to the antenna on our roof. You had to hook them up to a coax adapter like that to hook it up to the tv. Though I think maybe our old one had an input for it, but my dad used coax. We had a control to move the antenna on the roof to get better reception.

[Anonymous No.7259929]

>>7259735
Wait. My old Viewsonic monitor is worth something?! Nice.

[Anonymous No.7260006]

>>7259929
It isn't, but there are zoomers out there who will go buy shit like that for hundreds of dollars after watching one LGR propaganda video

[Anonymous No.7260009]

I know it's a bit modern of a CRT tv for a retro room, but it's the biggest one I had and kept it for this.

[Anonymous No.7260019]

Saw this in a /tv/ battlestation thread.

[Anonymous No.7260034]

>>7260019
He posted here too, ya newfag.
The Mac is not being used. Everything is connected I think it was a modern laptop.

[Anonymous No.7260035]

>>7260019
Lol that user is on here. They've posted in the /vr/ battlestation thread a few times.

[Anonymous No.7260036]

>>7260034

[Anonymous No.7260079]

>>7260034
Neat. Maybe I saw it in an old thread here too. I just reposted it on a /tv/ retro 90s thread too.
Even if he's using a modern computer to output to the monitor, the presentation is spot on. Just like the 90s itself, it's a false facade. So deep. Whoa.

[Anonymous No.7260090]

I got a Trinitron 36" for free. It turns on (you can hear the tv static), but the screen won't.

Is there a way to fix this without calling a technician?

[Anonymous No.7260171]

>>7260036
Looks perfect for a night of cocaine and hookers
>>7253971
General question here. How rare is it to find a smaller TV, say 13 inches that has Component inputs? Been searching for an upgrade to my 13 inch Composite and Coaxial only TV for a while but can't find one with component under 20-something inches.

[Anonymous No.7260176]

>>7260171
Try smol pvm's

[Anonymous No.7260178]

>>7260090
Google the model number and look for the manual and then search for a troubleshooting guide.

[Anonymous No.7260185]

>>7257497
Nice, I have a PVM 14M2U
I was very lucky to get it for free and I love it

[Anonymous No.7260209]

>>7260176
Should have mentioned that I don't want to PVM hunt -_-
fuckin memers

[Anonymous No.7260539]

>>7257497
lmao pvmlets

[Anonymous No.7260561]

>>7260209
If you're set on small monitors with component hook ups you may be stuck looking for broadcast monitors. I can't imagine many many companies bothering to include component on smaller tvs.

[Anonymous No.7260571]

>selling working but rough smaller bvm
>list it at $100
>guy hounds me with dozens of questions
>says it's a big investment for him and doesn't want to get ripped off
>investment
>big

[Anonymous No.7260580]

Any aesthetic VCR models i should look out for? My National NV 788's pinch roller is on its way out and its gonna be a while until i find a parts machine to potentially repair it. Looking for an pre HiFi slotloader, but i wouldnt rule out toploaders but it sorta needs to fit into my stack.

[Anonymous No.7260589]

>>7253971
I have some old 720p lcd screen that still has the hook ups for my SNES. Do I really need a CRT? Will I really have input lag?
I don't really want to buy a tv for just my SNES.

[Anonymous No.7260613]

>>7260589
you dont have to, but the graphics and screen size was designed around a CRT system in mind. Input lag is by all measures negligible and a big who cares anymore, so do what you want to do

[Anonymous No.7260632]

>>7260580
I'm a fan of old Quasar sets before the company shit the bed

[Anonymous No.7260656]

>>7260589
scan lions

[Anonymous No.7260664]

>>7260632
yeah theyre pretty cool, i could see it inbetween the tape deck and the amp, both having silver finishes.

[Anonymous No.7260672]

>>7260613
Is input lag going to ruin platformers played casually? Or is it just something for speed running?
>>7260656
It certainly does look a little different on my old lcd screen, than the old crts I used to have. But then, at the same time, a ton of these games I first played on an emulator. So I don't really have the purity problem.

[Anonymous No.7260780]

>>7260171
Sony wega sets have component on their small sets. Jvc may have them. My 20 inch d series does. The toshiba flat crts should have them too.

[Anonymous No.7261112]

>>7260672
>Is input lag going to ruin platformers played casually? Or is it just something for speed running?
I found the minecart levels of Donkey Kong Country fucking impossible on an LCD, but that's just me so who knows.

[Anonymous No.7261638]

Are there any ways to fix scratches on CRT screens?

[Anonymous No.7261685]

Are there any good CRT filters for LCD? Scan lines did not exist on any CRT I remember and I have no idea why it is such a popular filter.

[Anonymous No.7261742]

>>7261638
If they're deep, I think you're fucked. If super light I think you can use clear nail polish but idk for sure

[Anonymous No.7261804]

>37 inch CRT in basement
>moved it down there years ago with the help of family during the holidays after getting my first flatscreen as a christmas present
15-17 SOME YEARS LATER
>get yelled at by other anons for playing older games on flatscreen
>dont get it
>go downstairs and dust/clean off fatback
>plug in NES
>looks ok i guess
>thought I can brute force it deadlifting it upstairs
>get 9 of 13 steps up and think this is how im going to die
>slide it up rest of the way
>wonder how im going to get it up another set of stairs
>idea
>nylon straps and a firm grip but too much traction to drag on carpet
>idea
>ductape + the plastic used for water bottle sales
I didnt know how else to explain it, its the plastic wrap that makes it a single package
>working so far
>get it upstairs easy enough
>realize i dont have anything to hold the heavy fucker up forevermore
>modern pressboard shit would crumble
>highly debating on cinderblocks
>its just sitting on the floor
>lose interest playing retro games like 15 minutes into FF1

[Anonymous No.7261906]

>>7260580
I think one of the gears or rubber bits in the tape ejector on my old giant RCA VCR dried out.

[Anonymous No.7261960]

what could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous No.7262072]

>>7260571
Just sell it to me instead

[Anonymous No.7262078]

>>7260589
Yes you will have input lag. Unless you're on a gayman monitor it will have frames of delay.

[Anonymous No.7262082]

>>7261960
Did you see the Samsung one?

[Anonymous No.7262161]

Playing Majora's Mask on my Vega Trinniton. Am using composite because I don't like to mod my hardware, but it looks fine to me anyway.

[Anonymous No.7262247]

>>7262161
Your Weega have S-Video or component?
Isn't there a N64 to component or s-video adapter out there?

[Anonymous No.7262253]

>>7260589
Many older LCDs don't know how to properly interpret interlaced, so they throw away important information and produce a shitty image.

[Anonymous No.7262262]

>>7256082
Yeah, I ended up using the tuner's RCA outputs for audio instead.

[Anonymous No.7262281]

>>7262247
It supports both, from what I've seen and heard the difference between s-video and composite on the N64 is minimal. Either way, I personally don't mind since it's how I remember my games looking anyway.

[Anonymous No.7262291]

Where can I get a good stand?

[Anonymous No.7262332]

>>7262281
As far as DVD watching goes I like using component on mine.

Composite is too bleached and soft.

It handles brightness and color better than my similar sized LCD from probably 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.7262392]

>>7261804
imagine getting peer pressured by losers on /vr/

[Anonymous No.7262402]

>>7262281
s-video looks significantly sharper than composite from an n64

[Anonymous No.7262404]

>>7262291
wayfair has some nice looking CRT stands that don't cost too much
its like one notch above ikea

[Anonymous No.7262428]

>>7256273
lmao i have the same thing lying around
It's a fucking top-tier crt, tiny, compact, just really long for some reason
absolute fucking bossanova though, decent sound and screen makes it killer for keeping something in the corner when you're just dicking around
really hoping to set that bitch up in an apartment corner at some point

[Anonymous No.7262479]

>>7262281
S video on N64 looks twice as good

[Anonymous No.7262590]

>>7262402
>>7262479
I guess I was lied to, think I might look into getting some s-video cables then. Are s-video cables for N64 easy to buy or am I going to have to mess with third party nonsense?

[Anonymous No.7262735]

[Anonymous No.7262738]

>>7260019
>>7260034
>>7260036

[Anonymous No.7263140]

>>7262590
OEM s-video cables are gonna be like $50 minimum, so you're probably better off buying some high quality modern cables, such as those from Insurrection Industries.

[Anonymous No.7263179]

>>7262479
s-video on n64 is barely different from composite, the system just has really low quality video output.

[Anonymous No.7263223]

Do modern pixelshit games look better on crts or does is there no difference at all?

[Anonymous No.7263226]

I had a 14" CRT show up today and it's working great, but I want to play PS2 games too and it just feels too small. Going to pick up a 21" one tomorrow. Is this how it begins?

[Anonymous No.7263307]

>>7263226
Yes. Just don't pay for a CRT and you're good (unless it's a PVM or similar, then try to not spend over $100). There are still so many free CRTs out there, and good ones at that. I picked up a 32" Trinitron Flatscreen with pretty good geometry and nice picture for free a few months back, and a 27" of the same type with shittier geometry also for free a few months before that. They're out, there unless you like in bumblefuck, of course.

[Anonymous No.7263314]

>>7263179
That's the same screenshot retard
N64 can't output both at once

[Anonymous No.7263380]

Just got this SAMSUNG TI-14P1 CRT VHS Combo for free from a friend, it's kinda cute and it has SCART RGB, just a bit tiny....

[Anonymous No.7263548]

>>7262735
What is this

[Anonymous No.7263725]

>>7261685
>Are there any good CRT filters for LCD?
There's a few good ones on retroarch, but it's not the same no matter how much others shill it. It mainly lacks the glow. It's hard to explain, so you'd have to compare side by side.
>>7261685
>Scan lines did not exist on any CRT I remember and I have no idea why it is such a popular filter.
PVMeme shit, I guess.
>>7261804
All of that to say you're weak both physically and mentally?
>>7262738
I imagined him as a 20 something hipster. Where's the video?
>>7263223
I'm guessing there's no difference, since they were made with LCDs in mind. Then again, apparently a lot of modern games seem to look better on CRT monitors, from what I've read.
>>7263226
Yes. I play PS2 on a 25". It's fine if you don't sit too far. For busier games like Need for Speed 2 you're going to either need to get used to it again or get a bigger set.
Try Freecycle. See if your area has people giving them away. I got 3 from there already. FB marketplace too, but boomers and zoomers are starting to sell most of them instead.

[Anonymous No.7263728]

>>7263548
yume 2kki

[Anonymous No.7263730]

>>7253971
Threadly reminder that there is no difference between CRT fags and audiophiles with their "special gear for better experience".
You are literally glorifying shit tech for the sake of it, flexing to each other who's more retro. Which makes you another brand of hipsters, at the very best.

[Anonymous No.7263735]

>>7263725
>no difference
I figured. I guess moving forward I'll play indie shit that's 4:3 on crts and anything else on modern lcd, even if there is no graphical difference otherwise.

[Anonymous No.7263818]

>>7263730
It's not shit tech.

It was pretty damn good when implemented in computer monitors.

Took forever for affordable LCD based technologies to exceed it.

It is still a good way to go if you are on a budget.

If you already have 4K, well it is good as a secondary monitor.

[Anonymous No.7263825]

>>7263179
This image is too low resolution to show an honest difference in picture quality.

[Anonymous No.7263832]

>>7263730
When did you stop enjoying things and experiencing new stuff, even if it's from the past? Also, audiophiles are right, to a certain extent. A pair of high-end headphones can play frequencies that cheap ones can't, but you probably don't know that and use airpods while streaming spotify.

[Anonymous No.7263841]

>>7263730
lol there is an observable advantage to CRT namely no input lag, LCD OLED emulation all have input lag

[Anonymous No.7263843]

>>7262590
I don't know what signal the N64 is natively, but S-Video can help even in devices that don't spilt chroma and luminance natively.

Like S-VHS and regular Laserdisc are actually natively composite, but S-video has better bandwidth and handles noise so much better.

So despite not actually splitting chroma and luminance like Betacam SP does, they can still benefit and look much better.

[Anonymous No.7263847]

>>7263832
One time years ago I got at Rite Aid some no name brand 3.5mm headphones for 13 dollars that sounded high end.

[Anonymous No.7263849]

>>7260580
What do you think about this one?

[Anonymous No.7263905]

>>7263847
Bullshit. Cheap wired ones go up to 24kHz and HD Bluetooth about 17kHz, I believe. CDs go up to 44.1kHz, FLAC can go higher and have higher bitrate and then you have DSD, which is probably overkill.
Now, if you're listening to anything on MP3 or similar quality, of course a better pair (not more expensive, as we can see from Airpods and Beats) will only make a difference if the cheaper one is trash in the first place. That's why the audio source is usually more important than a headset/speaker. You can even apply that to video. A PVM or Trinitron won't make a poorly made copy of a film look good.

[Anonymous No.7263939]

>>7263905
Please stop posting.

[Anonymous No.7263978]

>>7263939
>I'll google sum graphs instead of listening for myself, that'll show him!
Your loss, kiddo. I'll just enjoy music in the best possible recorded quality. I also like new experiences though, so I'd like to get into vinyl and cassettes.

[Anonymous No.7263998]

>>7263978
Do you believe the audio engineers mastering those CDs can actually hear more than 24khz? Do you believe the equipment used to sample the instruments/vocals can reliably capture frequencies past 20khz? Do you at least under the circle of confusion?

[Anonymous No.7264000]

understand*

[Anonymous No.7264027]

>>7263998
I know I can hear more sounds between a 16/44.1 FLAC and a DSD, and that's all I need. One thing that is cut even from the highest frequency and bitrate FLACs is the needle noise, which is all of the DSDs I got, and I like that noise. It's not as significant as MP3 and FLAC though.

[Anonymous No.7264051]

>>7260034
Nice other than
>Funko
>Inflation related funko even
Yikes

[Anonymous No.7264057]

>>7264027
I don't give a shit what you prefer. Fuck off if you're not gonna answer the questions.

[Anonymous No.7264123]

>>7264057
What's the matter, don't like to be top comfy? I'll stay here, lurking this thread, listening to my hi-fi files and watching movies on my CRT under a blanket in front of a fireplace. Gonna watch Weird Science now.

[Anonymous No.7264142]

>>7254946
Ahem, im using a uh.... Switch. Not a pc.

[Anonymous No.7264167]

>>7264123
You're physically incapable of hearing the difference. You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.7264184]

>>7264167
Men, I was trying to not throw insults, but here you are. Just go buy some studio grade headphones, amp and download DSD albums and then we can talk.

[Anonymous No.7264196]

>>7264142
lol no games

[Anonymous No.7264208]

>>7263843
vhs actually does separate luma and chroma, that's why s-video cables were often called s-vhs cables

[Anonymous No.7264213]

>>7263905
>>7263998
you retards, 44.1 khz on CDs refers to the rate of sampling, not the frequency of sound

[Anonymous No.7264220]

>>7264213
He's the one who posted the graph. I was talking about sample rate. Hence why I didn't ask his question.

[Anonymous No.7264263]

>>7264213
>A pair of high-end headphones can play frequencies that cheap ones can't
>Cheap wired ones go up to 24kHz and HD Bluetooth about 17kHz
I wonder why anyone gives a shit about the 20k+ range that's inaudible to anyone over 25. You can work around nyquist but you can't work around your ears or your equipment.

[Anonymous No.7264279]

>>7253971
My friend has a Sony Trinitron in his countryside cottage. He would be willing to just give it to me with a only caveat being that I need to haul it off. The model seems to be "KV-21T3E". Is it worth the hassle?

[Anonymous No.7264284]

>>7264279
Pic related

[Anonymous No.7264320]

>>7264279
>>7264284
Its only 21" so it wont be to heavy

[Anonymous No.7264331]

>>7261112
Thanks for the heads up.

[Anonymous No.7264364]

>>7264284
woah what comfy cabin game is that, the graphics look great

[Anonymous No.7264374]

>>7264364
Yeah the game was pretty good. It was about 5 drunken idiots partying in a cabin on an island in middle of now where. Your objective is to make sure these stooges don't kill each other / burn the place down.

[Anonymous No.7264383]

>>7255152
I like the monitor and the desk but I hate your mouse and keyboard
>no numpad
disgusting.

[Anonymous No.7264390]

>>7264263
Not to autistic people.

[Anonymous No.7264397]

>>7263849
Nice

[Anonymous No.7264407]

>>7264208
No, the S in S-video means separated.

S-Vhs will look better recorded with S-Video anyways because the noise floor isn't as dirty as composite.

Betacam SP on the other hand actually separates the chroma from luminance on separate tracks.

[Anonymous No.7265012]

>>7253971
Hi, after many different attempts with many methods, i managed to get 240p working on a VGA CRT monitor. an HP 7540.

originally i had it rendering to 320x240, but it had some crazy static, but then changing it to a 2560x240 Superres fixed that in retroarch.

my problem now lies with the screen heights on some systems. some systems have different heights and the full screen is not used, so far PCEngine CD, CPS2, MK2/3, NES and SNES share the same height, but i have to change it for genesis for example

also, i feel the scanlines dont align as they should, heres is a pic of MvsC to illustrate what i mean...

is there a way to fix those issues?

[Anonymous No.7265015]

>>7265012
yeah, stop using that dogshit retroarch

[Anonymous No.7265049]

Watching Aquateen

[Anonymous No.7265062]

>>7263730
I think about this sometimes, but when it comes down to it, ears lie, eyes don't

[Anonymous No.7265080]

>>7264407
the s stands for super. vhs and s-vhs both use chroma subsampling, they just give s-vhs a higher chroma bandwidth. The luma and chroma modulated either way, there's no operational difference to them

[Anonymous No.7265174]

Is a Sony KV-27FS210 for 35 bucks a good deal? Apparently it's cousin the Fv300 series is way better or something, but I can't find info on this Fs200 series.

[Anonymous No.7265182]

>>7265049
Based.
Watching Sealab, but no CRT so no photo.

[Anonymous No.7265415]

>>7265049
Watching Evangelion. Trying to find where the photos I took of it ended up on my computer.

[Anonymous No.7265448]

I was looking for CRT PC monitors in the Victoria BC area; none of the second hand sites have any. Would brick and mortar second hand shops be a good alternative?

[Anonymous No.7265684]

>>7265012
I have a pc hooked to 15kHz consumer crt. I used to manually change the height resolution. Nowadays retroarch offers switchres to automatically do the job, but I'm not sure if it works with 30kHz

[Anonymous No.7265764]

>>7264284
I've carried 32 inch CRTs up flights of stairs before you should be good

[Anonymous No.7265775]

>>7264279
The only advice you need

[Anonymous No.7266332]

>>7265174
Don't believe lies, all the fs series are the same

[Anonymous No.7266342]

Somebody in offerup has their fw900 listed for $3,500, let's see if he gets that

[Anonymous No.7266407]

>>7265775
Lol cracks me up to see this edit of my post. Thank you to whichever anon saw it and made this.

[Anonymous No.7266645]

>>7266407
Thanks to that post (I believe I was in that thread), led to someone making that image, which I saved because I'm /fit/ and then used as incentive for another anon which got /fit/ and was able to carry a 30" set. So thank you for that post.

[Anonymous No.7266749]

>>7266407
>>7266645
Now kiss, you faggots.

[Anonymous No.7266856]

I live peeling through others filth on trash nite. Picked this up on the street corner. 3 composite, 2 componet, 2 s video and even an hdmi port. Also has a video out port so i can have display on 2 sets. Only problem with it is for 4th gen and older side scrollers it has a weird bending effect on the sides of the screen when you move like the inside of a spinning cylinder. Works great for ps2 stuff like outrun coast2coast

[Anonymous No.7266873]

>>7266856
hd sets have the same issues as LCDs for old 240p games, but for 6th gen they're perfect

[Anonymous No.7266893]

>>7266873
6th gen is fuckin weird
like the GCN locking 480p behind its component port, or the dreamcast being compatible with RF or VGA

[Anonymous No.7266912]

>>7266893
luckily it all looks pretty good upscaled to 1080i anyways. And you can just use a wii for easy gcn 480p

[Anonymous No.7266946]

>>7265415
>>7265049
Found them

[Anonymous No.7266947]

>>7266946

[Anonymous No.7266950]

>>7266947

[Anonymous No.7266952]

>>7266950

[Anonymous No.7266989]

Why do people in the US use scart connectors when modding their tvs for RGB input? Wouldn't be better to use vga headers? Like you are already going to make custom cables for your consoles, so might as well make it compatible with pcs too right?

[Anonymous No.7267003]

>>7266946
>>7266947
>>7266950
>>7266952
Oi ya fokin cheeky cunt get in da fokin robot will ya?!
>>7266989
I assume it's because VGA has no audio.

[Anonymous No.7267013]

>>7266952
POOPA

[Anonymous No.7267024]

>>7266989
a lot of the time I see separated RGB rca connectors

[Anonymous No.7267027]

>>7266952
SEX SEX SEX
SEX WITH MISATO
LARGE SEX AND HUGE CUM

[Anonymous No.7267049]

Just upgraded from a Sony PVM-20N6E to a PVM-20M4E, feels good. Now back to actual gaming instead of looking at listings,

[Anonymous No.7267079]

>>7267049
damn i should get a little cactus to put next to my pvm

[Anonymous No.7267104]

>>7267049
How much was it? There is only 1 PVM selling locally for me sadly.

[Anonymous No.7267134]

>>7267104
350

[Anonymous No.7267405]

>>7266856
Panasonic, nice find

[Anonymous No.7267410]

>>7266893
>>7266912
What are the differences between the generations?
>>7267049
wow that's a beauty

[Anonymous No.7267416]

>>7266856
If you have the remote you can change it to 4:3 mode instead of "stretch" and it'll fix that.

[Anonymous No.7267425]

>>7267416
il have to try with a universal remote I have somewhere. I cant remember if that was an option I could get to from the buttons on the front. it didnt matter to me too much because i had a similar smaller set i also found that I was going to use for 4th gen stuff, but I still may give it a try to see. the bending seems to vary on which games. like with a lot of NES games i tried on it and Ninja Warriors on SNES, it was noticeable, but not too bad, but when I tried the shitty Flinstones game on SNES it was super obnoxious

[Anonymous No.7267437]

Hopefully not a sideways picture

[Anonymous No.7267438]

Got this guy from my schools radio station. Good for playing saturn games and watching movies on netflix. Kept the monitor 5 sticker on top as a memo for where it came from

[Anonymous No.7267443]

>>7267437

[Anonymous No.7267451]

>>7267443

[Anonymous No.7267456]

>>7267443
>>7267451
>>7267437
How fuck does one go horizontal and the other two vertical fucking gook moot strikes again
And they're regular orientation on my phone...

[Anonymous No.7267464]

Inputs

[Anonymous No.7267465]

[Anonymous No.7267471]

Right side

[Anonymous No.7267478]

Left side

[Anonymous No.7267491]

>>7267438
>watching movies on netflix
I use my PS3. Either copy movies to the HDD or boot Movian and use the Yify/YTS plugin. Just turn off the LCD and enjoy 80s, 90's and early 2000s movies on the CRT. Pretty comfy.
Do you use one of those devices that turn any TV into a smart TV?

[Anonymous No.7267506]

>>7267491
Lol i kinda do the same thing you do. Ps3 hooked up via s-video if you look on the left i also have a whole shelf of vhs movies i got from various thrift stores.

[Anonymous No.7267515]

>>7267506
Nice. I need to find a proper s-video or component SCART for mine because I'm using composite. I got component cables, but the CRT doesn't have the inputs. VHS is better in the sense that it is 4:3. Everything I want to watch I can only find 16:9 remasters.

[Anonymous No.7267592]

>>7267410
>What are the differences between the generations?
everything prior to ps2/gcn/xbox/dreamcast worked exclusively in 480i/240p. 480i looks fine upscaled, but 240p gets fucked by scalers because it's not technically a standard image format, but an exploit of the 480i standard. So it gets upscaled as a 480i which turns it blocky and disgusting; the issue being that HD CRTs upscale 240p the same way LCDs do, because neither of them display 480i natively

[Anonymous No.7267596]

>>7267437
comfy...I want a nice large desk with room for a PVM (or small crt at least)

[Anonymous No.7267604]

>>7267438
The VHS display is nice. Family Videos are closing and I really want one of the shelfs they used when I would rent games as a kid but my family up there thinks I am joking when I ask them to go grab one for me.

[Anonymous No.7267606]

>>7267596
14" is big enough to be decent for viewing but small enough that it doesn't way 100 pounds or take up half the room, imo
and 14" PVMs are still relatively easy to come by
good luck fren

[Anonymous No.7267718]

>>7266645
Haha nice man that’s great! I’ve been /fit/ for a few years now and time and some friends lift and like retro games and CRTs so I made it as a joke and it’s cool how it’s caught on haha.

[Anonymous No.7267741]

>>7267049
>>7267134
How many Discord/Twitter/Reddit points did you get?

[Anonymous No.7267823]

>>7267606
>>7267596
if you can get a small 13 or 14 inch model that's the best.
My setup used to be large PC desk, one main monitor, then a 19 inch lcd for gayming. Now I just use the small CRT and can put it in the closet if I want more elbow room.

[Anonymous No.7267971]

>>7253971
This is my childhood TV. (it's a shadow mask CRT with RGB-SCART output)
Should I get a Trinitron/PVM?

[Anonymous No.7268016]

>>7267606
This TV >>7266950 was hell to get up to the third floor with no elevator. It was so close to being destroyed when it slipped off of the dolly but I had switch to a blanket for padding instead of a pillow so it didnt get all scratched up.

[Anonymous No.7268019]

>>7267971
shadow mask is better than aperture grille, as long as your geometry is good then your tv is fine

[Anonymous No.7268038]

>>7267971
So I always just take pictures with my phone camera and resize them to get them small enough for 4chan to let me upload but after that I can never see the kind of detail you're getting here. What exactly is your process?

[Anonymous No.7268119]

>>7267971
>Cardcaptor Sakura animetic game
GIGA BASED

[Anonymous No.7268127]

>>7255152
oh gosh I need that green glass lamp. So nostalgy

[Anonymous No.7268137]

>>7260185
We have the same model the difference being that the last letter of the model stands for intended market (u for us and e for europe). Remember being a little confused when originally looking for a unit

[Anonymous No.7268478]

[Anonymous No.7268519]

am I allowed to post here if I play ps1 games on my ps3 connected to a crt?

[Anonymous No.7268534]

>>7268519
people post themselves cumming on unworking crt tvs, you are fine

[Anonymous No.7268570]

>>7268519
Why tho?
Does ps3 even output 240p?

[Anonymous No.7268584]

>>7260036

[Anonymous No.7268592]

>>7268570
it outputs 480i

[Anonymous No.7268625]

[Anonymous No.7268630]

>>7268592
Does it?
I thought it was 480p minimum

[Anonymous No.7268683]

>>7253971

[Anonymous No.7268685]

>>7256326
would be good for later gen consoles and possibly pc

[Anonymous No.7268689]

what's the ideal size? I have a 13inch vcr combo but I feel like it's too small.

[Anonymous No.7268705]

>>7268038
Not him but try Lit Photo on android. Compress > move quality slider to 100 > then in size set to max, which i think results in around 2mb or something
This pic >>7256273 and this pic >>7267451 used that app.

[Anonymous No.7268717]

>>7268689
it depends on what your set is/will look like and your personal preference
i personally feel like 13"/14" is fine for everything thru gen 5, partially because i dont have a TON of space so 14" is great for me

you'll even see people gaming on 8" PVMs which to me is too small - those were built to be for like hallway security camera feeds in big ass security monitoring rooms. but hey, some people make it work (though i think there's an element there of people just buying into the PVM meme just to say they have a PVM)

if 13" is too small for your taste then look for a 20", just know that 20" broadcast monitors are kind of the rarest and most expensive these days, and personally I'd prefer to play on something slightly smaller with good tubes and component/s-video in rather than a big ass consumer tube tv with only composite video inputs

[Anonymous No.7268892]

How do I find out if my 50hz crt supports 60hz? (pic not related)

[Anonymous No.7268905]

>>7268689
depends on your eyes, if you're near sighted or far sighted

[Anonymous No.7268915]

>>7268630
dude, it was sold originally with only composite cable

[Anonymous No.7268917]

>>7268892
most European CRTs with SCART support 60Hz

[Anonymous No.7269170]

I remember seeing a chart about how to "get into" CRTs but i can't find it again. Does anyone have it?

[Anonymous No.7269361]

>>7268915
That's what it sold with up until the end

[Anonymous No.7269792]

they made a crt that looks like retroarch filters

[Anonymous No.7269896]

>>7268519
I do the same. Don't want to fry PSXs laser and PS2s kept dying on me. Bought a phat PS3 with 5 controllers for 50£ from a co-worker and it's pretty nice. Takes more time to start playing a game, but it's worth it in the end, since it has virtual memory cards, plays PS2 and can play movies from HDD or stream them.
>>7269170
Never saw a chart, but there's 2 pastebins.
https://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
https://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ

[Anonymous No.7269939]

>>7268534
I use the ps3 because it's easier for piracy, no need to burn cds with nero, you put the iso on the hdd and it just works

[Anonymous No.7269956]

Is there a good ode option for psx?

[Anonymous No.7269963]

I really want a cool kiosk at some point. Little unrelated also but Family Video is closing and I got one of the shelves they used from the one I went to as a kid. I'm gonna set it up to look like a stocked rental shelf with some n64 and gamecube games. Sad to see it go but im suprised it lasted this long anyway. I hope they have one of these chairs there for takes also since they are just giving it away. You can get big shelves, etc for free. My try and get a sign or something too.

[Anonymous No.7269965]

>>7269963
forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.7269993]

>>7269965
Cool now I kinda sad that I didn't went to all these places when they ware closing

[Anonymous No.7270001]

>>7269993
They are closing right now. If you have one locally go check it out. They just announced closing a couple days ago.

[Anonymous No.7270179]

>>7265684
Thanks for the advice, i checked the deal with the Switchres, but it seems that it doesnt work with Nvidia cards.

I can get all resolution standards working (fixing the MvC deal from the photo in the process) but as much as i try, Retroarch doesnt change the resolutions automatically.

My idea is a dual screen set up, the monitor for retro games and a big screen tv for modern stuff, the closest i can think, at least for arcades, is to look up a way to separate my rom lists for monitor resolution so i can set a RA config per resolution required. But that certainly is not gonna help with consoles that also do resolution switching.

[Anonymous No.7270231]

Does anyone know of a good cheap PS3 RGB SCART cable?

[Anonymous No.7270238]

>>7270231
>I use HDMI to SCART adapter
>Have my PS3 hooked up to late 70s CRT
>Also watch old movies from my laptop with the same setup
how cursed is this?

[Anonymous No.7270245]

post your crt specs anons

[Anonymous No.7270292]

Going to do an RGB mod on this I think

[Anonymous No.7270295]

>>7270292
Based gook strikes again

[Anonymous No.7270298]

>>7270245
Features:
Supports DTV Formats 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i: Flexibility for high-end production needs or broadcast environments that use various signal formats.
Four Input Slots: Allows for flexible signal input capability.
High Resolution: 20 inches -- 700 TV Lines (16:9); 20 inches -- 900 TV Lines (4:3).
SMPTE C Phosphors: Maintains precise color representation allowing for accurate color reproduction and easy monitor matching.
Signal Formats: DTV formats -- 15.625 to 45 kHz.
Frequency Response: 30 MHz + 1dB/-3dB.


Specifications:
Signal Formats - DTV formats: 15.625 to 45kHz
Frequency Response - 30 MHz + 1dB/-3dB
Video Inputs: (Standard) - BNC x 3 with loop through RGB : 1.0Vp-p +/- 6dB, positive Y: 1.0Vp-p +/- 6dB, high impedance Pb/Pr : 0.7Vp-p +/- 6dB, high impedance
EXT Sync - BNC x 1 with loop through Composite Sync: 0.3 to 8Vp-p, high impedance Tri-level bipolar sync
Viewing Sizes - 24" 16:9 22.5"/16:9 18"/4:3 20" 4:3 17"/16:9 19"/4:3

Have 3 btw, with a handful of other broadcast monitors.

[Anonymous No.7270360]

>>7270238
Very cursed. Those adapters add input lag and may have inaccurate colors. But if you like it, keep using it.

[Anonymous No.7270474]

>>7270001
I live in Poland and they closed like 5 years ago

[Anonymous No.7270481]

Why isn't mega man legends talked about when discussing best looking 5th gen games? It could have been released today and people wouldn't question the look of it

[Anonymous No.7270489]

>>7270481
Shiiet maybe this won't rotate

[Anonymous No.7270528]

>>7270489
That shit looks bretty good which console?

[Anonymous No.7270602]

>>7268519
>koudelka
man of exquisite, rare and obscure cool culture

[Anonymous No.7270614]

>>7270528
PSone

[Anonymous No.7270643]

>>7270238

What are some good HDMI to RGB SCART adapters? The cheap ones I've seen have bad image quality.

[Anonymous No.7270762]

>>7270643
That ossc shit

[Anonymous No.7270975]

I've got a PC monitor with some convergence issues. Do I have any hope of finding somebody who could repair/cap it?

[Anonymous No.7271546]

Genesis composite on 20" consumer set.
Thanks for the LitPhoto compression tip. Hopefully the photo doesn't flip.

[Anonymous No.7271635]

>>7270481
Take a pic and crop it with an app and then it will guarantee it is the correct rotation

[Anonymous No.7271723]

Can someone ID the CRT in this trap house in my neighborhood?

[Anonymous No.7271725]

>>7271723
probably an RCA or Zenith, idk what model

[Anonymous No.7271742]

>>7258508

Diamondtron are the best, god damnit. Get it!!

[Anonymous No.7271758]

>>7263226

yes, your hunt has begun!

[Anonymous No.7271780]

>>7267471

looks nice!

[Anonymous No.7271790]

>>7271723
There was a good offer once, but I didn't take it, since I didn't want to get murdered or some shit.

[Anonymous No.7271809]

>>7254001
Have you tried getting good?

[Anonymous No.7272208]

Why do i hear water sounds when im moving my crt?

[Anonymous No.7272220]

>>7272208
crt fairy cum

[Anonymous No.7272415]

>>7270762
The OSSC does the opposite of what I want.

[Anonymous No.7272490]

>>7269896
Thank you fren. I found the chart but it was just a less detailed version of the pastebins.

[Anonymous No.7272518]

>>7272490
>tfw hdmi to RGBS (rgb on scart) barely exists
i got a hdmi to component and a "rgb to scart" cable (scart one one end, component on the other) that ended up doing fuckall because component despites often being called rgb is completely different from rgbs.

[Anonymous No.7272576]

>>7270762
>ossc

[Anonymous No.7272591]

>Ah yes, pay me to haul away my ewaste. That will be $300 plus $100 shipping plus tax plus tip. Please come again.

[Anonymous No.7272594]

>>7272591

[Anonymous No.7272672]

>>7272518
Who the fuck calls component that?

Component was always ypbpr or ycbcr.

And S-video "component" is yc.

[Anonymous No.7272680]

>>7272672
>Who the fuck calls component that?
people who aren't heavily invested in video stuff, because "RGB" matches the color of the wires.

[Anonymous No.7272697]

>>7272594
Imagine buying a CRT when it's so easy to just get one for free.

[Anonymous No.7272881]

>>7272697
Probably kids from reddit with spare cash and no car.

[Anonymous No.7273231]

>>7268717
Agreed I love the size of my 14” CRT I got for free. I don’t have the space for a huge one.

[Anonymous No.7273260]

>>7272881
I have no car, I had to get some help with picking up a CRT but as long as you have family, friends, a roomate, etc. There is no excuse.

[Anonymous No.7273362]

>>7272697
While i won't pay for a sdtv, finding a good crt monitor in my area is a pain in the Ass and finding a crt projector in my area is impossible.

[Anonymous No.7273375]

>>7273362
yeah i hear that
I got my pvm for free since i work at a television studio and we were cleaning out some storage, so i got lucky

I've heard of people calling local news stations, gear rental houses, and production companies and asking if they have any old broadcast monitors they're looking to get rid of. Even if you're in a city with no real television production, there's still broadcast news and gear rental companies everywhere. Lots of companies are dropping square footage like crazy right now so it's a lot easier to find something now than it will be like a year from now.

[Anonymous No.7273402]

is a pawnshop worth checking?

[Anonymous No.7273417]

how feasible is hooking up a computer to a crt tv for emulation? Way to do it without getting killed by lag?

[Anonymous No.7273420]

>>7273402
only in the sense that zoomers are scared of pawn shops for some reason, and they often have a little game section as well
if youre gonna check pawnshops you should just hit like ten in a row, and then circle back to the one that has the best TV

[Anonymous No.7273518]

>>7273375 well i was almost going to get some from a company but it turns out they had already had them sent to the dump. What makes the situation Even worse is that i live in a town with only 3500 people in it. I have tried the Facebook markeplace and got 4 crt tv's. but i have one last idea and that is to use some flyers Next to the store.

[Anonymous No.7274042]

Just brought home my first CRT: a free Toshiba 27AF44. Sorry for the unaesthetic photo, I’m not really sure where to put it yet.
Doing as close to a side by side as I can, I think I prefer it to the LCD even before changing settings. At the very least, turning this on get incredibly nostalgic so it’ll be worth it for the comfy feeling.
I don’t think this is the original remote and the menu button won’t work, so I just ordered the one pictured in the manual. There are some weird, slightly bent in margins on the top and bottom of the sides that aren’t the end of the world. I’m not sure if that’s something that can be fixed without physically adjusting something. I’ve done little to no research outside of skimming the pastebins before. I just figured a free TV would be worth it.

[Anonymous No.7274075]

>>7274042
>I just figured a free TV would be worth it.
It is. You could die tomorrow, so might as well enjoy today.

[Anonymous No.7274229]

>>7274042
sick set man

[Anonymous No.7274293]

>>7273417
Those no name blue VGA to s-video and composite adapters work fine.

I also used that adspter with a HDMI to VGA adapter and still good.

[Anonymous No.7274295]

>>7268892
easiest way is to use a wii that I'm sure you have somewhere and set it to 60hz 480i

[Anonymous No.7274607]

>>7274042
Good pickup, those late-model Toshibas are quite well-liked.
>There are some weird, slightly bent in margins on the top and bottom of the sides that aren’t the end of the world. I’m not sure if that’s something that can be fixed without physically adjusting something.
I think you'll be able to adjust those in the service menu, using the remote. The setting will probably be called "pincushion." Don't expect to get it perfect, but you should be able to improve it a little.
Don't expect a crazy improvement, because what you've got honestly looks great as it is, it looks well-taken-care-of and doesn't look heavily used.

[Anonymous No.7274731]

>>7253971
Are IBMs rare or something? Only saw one.

[Anonymous No.7274858]

>>7274042
how good is the contrast compared to what you're used to with lcd?

[Anonymous No.7274868]

>>7274042
...And then I broke my PS2. Goddamn everything.

>>7274858
I just found out the other day that the contrast was maxed or near it by default on my LCD, so it's hard to say. They colors look more or less the same, the picture itself just looks sharper.

[Anonymous No.7274895]

>>7274868
you broke your ps2?

[Anonymous No.7274956]

For those of you with PVMs, is the difference that massive between consumer sets to be worth the dosh? I love a bright, sharp CRT but wonder if ill even notice with ancient consoles.

[Anonymous No.7274972]

>>7253971
>>7257029
>Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast)

I was playing with my PS2 and Xbox on a cheap CRT TV back in the day. /vr/ is so fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.7274980]

>>7274895
I did indeed. I found a video on how to fix my sticky disc tray 30 seconds after I hamfisted it open and clearly broke something. Now there’s something wrong with the whole mechanism, how it relates to raising and lowering the reader, and the button itself does nothing.
20 years, bros. Gone like dust in the wind.

[Anonymous No.7274984]

>>7274956
The image is very different from your average consumer set but whether or not it's better is subjective.
Certainly not worth the money they go for nowadays though, at least in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.7274990]

>>7274984
So its really just a matter of preference rather than objective better quality image?

[Anonymous No.7274998]

>>7274990
They are higher resolution so yes, they have a sharper image.
If that's what you like then you would probably enjoy a PVM.
Personally i'm perfectly fine with a softer image on a consumer set.

[Anonymous No.7275015]

>>7274998
Makes sense. ive only just gotten into old crts now and dont know most of the technical terms, what separates the pvms from the bvms etc.

[Anonymous No.7275019]

>>7274956
definitely not worth 100s of dollars, no

[Anonymous No.7275050]

>>7275019
is something like this worth like $150? Im tempted to buy one.

[Anonymous No.7275063]

>>7274980
Fat or slim? Just install freemcboot on a memory card, a hdd adapter, and a hdd with opl.

[Anonymous No.7275070]

>>7275050
God no. Speaking as someone with maybe 7 or 8 broadcast monitors, get them for cheap or free.

[Anonymous No.7275073]

>>7275070
Is anyone dumb enough to give away a pvm by now though? Anyone who had one already scrapped them or sold them to collectors.

[Anonymous No.7275076]

>>7275070
Unless you've been hoarding them since before the whole shit craze about them started there's no chance of finding one for free.
At least that's the case for where i'm from.

>>7275050
Most definitely not.

[Anonymous No.7275082]

>>7275076
Are they that seriously over-bogged in price?

[Anonymous No.7275083]

>>7275073
People in film production do it all the time. In their eyes they're obsolete and a waste of space. On top of that, they've already made their money from them.
>>7275076
I've gotten multiple 600tvl and higher 20" monitors for free in the last year.

[Anonymous No.7275086]

>>7275083
Where did you get them? I don't have a recycling plant or a local film studio in my area.

[Anonymous No.7275089]

>>7275015
I'm not an expert but i'll try to answer your question as best I can.

PVMs are any of Sony's line of Pro Video Monitors. They all have Trinitron tubes in them, accept a wide variety of inputs like RGB and S-Video, and look super bright, colorful, and sharp. These were mostly used by small scale commercial video production, security monitoring booths, hospitals, etc. These can be found for anywhere between free to a couple hundred bucks, but getting a little rare these days.

BVMs are Sony's Broadcast Video Monitor. These are basically just PVMs but designed and calibrated to maintain a standardized and consistent video quality from the top down. Usually these have far more adjustable settings for super granular things and can basically accept any type of legacy video signal you can throw at them. These were usually found exclusively in broadcast control rooms for television networks, and are pretty rare. They can cost thousands of dollars, and really aren't worth hunting down just because the image isn't any better than any PVM - it just has more things you can tweak.

Both of these will look brighter, sharper, and more vibrant than any older consumer set, mostly because the Trinitron tubes work differently than older tube TVs, letting more light (and color) through to the actual screen. Around the late 90s Sony's patent on Trinitron tubes expired, so Toshiba, Mitsubishi, and a bunch of other companies made their own version of them, often called stuff like Diamondtron or whatever. Unfortunately most people have caught on that Trinitron=money so searching for "trinitron" on ebay or whatever will just give you a pile of overpriced monitors, but you can find them for free.

tl:dr - PVMs are pro CRTs with good tubes, good settings, and lots of inputs. BVMs are super pro CRTs with good tubes, tons of settings, and tons of inputs. Consumer Trinitrons are good too, but might lack the inputs needed to get the best out of your consoles

[Anonymous No.7275091]

>>7275050
is that an 8 inch? no
i got my 14" for free and even that feels small sometimes
>>7275073
and like >>7275083 said i got it from a television studio

[Anonymous No.7275098]

>>7275089
Thanks, that clears it up. Any models to look out for with similar quality to the sony trinitrons then?

[Anonymous No.7275105]

>>7275089
Essentially correct except bvms do typically have better image quality and can display 480p and 720p. Bvms are all 600tvl and higher, up to 1000tvl. Pvms are anywhere from 350tvl to 600tvl.

[Anonymous No.7275109]

>>7275098
Yeah any Sony TV with Trinitron tubes will have "Trinitron" printed on the top left
Just try to get one that accepts RGB/component in, some just have composite inputs which work but wont look as good coming out of an RGB capable/modded console

[Anonymous No.7275114]

>>7275105
Ah okay, thanks. I was gonna bring up TV lines but I wasn't sure BVMs had more and I didn't want to confuse the poor guy haha

[Anonymous No.7275117]

>>7275082
>>7275083
It will depend on where you live.
I don't exactly live close to a lot of tv studios and what is there has already been bought up over the years by commercial ebay sellers specialized on reselling old studio equipment and the like.

[Anonymous No.7275138]

Flat or curved monitors?

[Anonymous No.7275140]

>>7275089
Is any monitor made after 1996 basically similar to a trinitron then?

[Anonymous No.7275257]

>>7275138
Curved only makes sense for ultrawide VA panels aka memes.

[Anonymous No.7275263]

>>7275138
fishbowl 4 lyfe

[Anonymous No.7275269]

>>7275140
Nah but by 2000 they were everywhere and that's what you see on the side of the road these days

[Anonymous No.7275323]

>>7269792
When they start reverse engineering CRT tubes and trying to make them, I wonder if the first few test units are going to be this tiny just to make the manufacture costs down.

[Anonymous No.7275327]

>>7275323
>When they start reverse engineering CRT tubes and trying to make them
What makes you think this will ever happen?

[Anonymous No.7275329]

>>7274972
>I was zooming with my zoom2 and Xzoom back in the zoom

[Anonymous No.7275338]

>>7275327
As soon as tons of these CRTs die due to old age and someone makes a kickstarter about making new CRTs (but not release their reverse-engineered information so the knowledge becomes lost again).

[Anonymous No.7275363]

>>7275338
Doubt it would be that simple. By the time this happens we will probably have extremely good displays and filters capable of near-perfectly simulating a CRT anyways.

[Anonymous No.7275408]

>>7275138
curved 4:3

[Anonymous No.7275418]

I wish that curved Trinitrons with component were more common. Dealing with shitty geometry on the flat screens sucks balls.

[Anonymous No.7275494]

Is suspending and turning back on again rather frequently bad for a crt monitor? Should I disable this and let monitor rest on a blank screen(to prevent burn in) when not in use? I am on linux I dont think there is any screen saver software anymore.

[Anonymous No.7275598]

>remember playing SSX 3 a long long time ago
>mod my PS2 2 years ago and play it on an LCD
>it's alright, but not as fun as I remember
>PS2 dies
>get into CRTs last year
>get a PS3 to play PSX and PS2
>remember SSX3 and decide to give it another go
>now playing on a 25" Panasonic CRT
This game is beautiful. The neon glow of lights does not shine at all on an LCD, and that's why it was boring.

[Anonymous No.7275757]

>>7275494

Leaving it on will cause the flyback and caps to fail prematurely. Suspending is the lesser of 2 evils.

[Anonymous No.7275759]

>>7275418
>shitty geometry on the flat screens
Stay off Reddit anon.

[Anonymous No.7275769]

>>7275759
I own two Sony Trinitrons that are flat screen and the geometry is certainly not as good as that image. On average, it would seem that they do not have as good geometry as curved screens. Not to say that it is always that way, but anecdotally and evidently, they can be and often are.

[Anonymous No.7275865]

This is sexy

[Anonymous No.7275913]

>>7275865
Oh, I get it.
"bro sonic"

[Anonymous No.7276108]

>>7274042
I got my TV >>7266950 from a yardsale for free 5 min before it started pouring rain outside. Saved it from death.

[Anonymous No.7276126]

How do you guys deal with the high pitched noise CRTs make?

[Anonymous No.7276131]

>>7276126
Get a decent audio setup. CRT speakers are junk and only compound the issue. Decent speakers will blend out the noise. Also do not sit to close the sound does not carry to far.

[Anonymous No.7276212]

>>7276126
>>7276131
This, plus usually the whine goes away after a while of the monitor being on + you get used to it and stop hearing it

[Anonymous No.7276274]

>>7276108
>Saved it from death.
I got CRTs from the scrap pile at work that have been under all weather conditions for days or weeks. I just clean them on the outside, let them dry for a day if they're wet and they work. LCDs, on the other hand, get water between the light panel, polarizer and screen, so become unusable.

[Anonymous No.7276313]

>>7276274
the medical PVM models are literally built to be puked and bled on

[Anonymous No.7276368]

>>7276313
Yeah, some hardware is built like a tank. I once challenged a co-worker to try breaking a faulty HDD. He tried everything, including putting it on top of a rock and dropping what I think was a 15Kg rock on top of it. A few scratches and a slight dent was the result. I know data would be corrupt though.

[Anonymous No.7276382]

>>7276368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8

[Anonymous No.7276416]

>>7276382
I do that at work to relieve stress now and then. I got steel toed and sole boots, so it's extra satisfying.

[Anonymous No.7276770]

I went to a closing family video to get some of the shelves and when I asked if they are available yet he asked how much I would pay and I said "Uhh like $0" and he said I could tell them how much id pay and he would put me on a secret list for the manager to check when they are available and that they would take the highest bid lol. Every other one I've seen had them free. I said I'll just go to the one 5 min away with free ones and I got them free. Feel bad for whoever is probably paying like $100 for them.

[Anonymous No.7276778]

>>7276274
That is true but the people at the yard sale were gonna throw it out if it rained.

[Anonymous No.7277116]

>>7276778
Makes sense. People who aren't into CRTs won't haul a heavy TV back to their garage. Hence why you see them giving away big sets that are still in a spare room.

[Anonymous No.7277269]

What's a good set of affordable speakers to use with a 14" PVM? I don't have a ton of space to smaller speakers are better, I've been looking at 3" M-Audios

[Anonymous No.7277305]

>>7277269
Just get a you a 2000's era SONY or JVC, great sound and it wont feel like your playing on a watch. Sorry you fell for the PVMeme anon.

[Anonymous No.7277329]

>>7277269
I use old computer speakers, you can still find them at thrift stores for cheap. Plus they're well shielded.

[Anonymous No.7277337]

>>7277305
I got it for free and it has 600 tvl, I aint mad. It looks great to my eye and I don't really have room for anything bigger.
>>7277329
Hmm that's a good idea. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.7277375]

>>7277329
now im just perusing ebay, should i snag a couple of these bad boys?

[Anonymous No.7277521]

Are flat crts actually bad? Ive heard they warp geometry or some shit, or can you adjust the settings to fix it?

[Anonymous No.7277543]

>>7277521
In on my third or fourth flat screen Trinitron and every single one had awful horizontal warping.

[Anonymous No.7277572]

>>7277521
Pic related shows the most common horizontal distortions they have (greatly exaggerated for the sake of the diagram). There are even more, but they are usually not noticeable.

[Anonymous No.7277575]

>>7277543
>awful horizontal warping.
easily fixed in service menu

[Anonymous No.7277612]

>>7277575
Really isn't. The brighter the image is, the more warped it gets. I'm no expert but I fiddled with the service menu for hours on end until I just decided to live with it.

[Anonymous No.7277667]

>>7277521
>melee shitter
Begone, and take a shower

[Anonymous No.7277721]

Does anyone know why I would have seemingly non existent scanlines on a higher line count bvm? I'm playing king of fighters 98 on a ps2 vía component on a bvm-d20f1u and I basically can't see any scanlines? Is this a TV setting thing or a ps2 thing? Or am I going blind?

[Anonymous No.7277780]

>>7277721
Nevermind, it's definitely a ps2/component issue. Psx looks super crispy

[Anonymous No.7277804]

>>7277777

[Anonymous No.7277825]

Posted this in another thread, but realized this was a better place for it. Been changing settings on my CRT to try to get a more "uniform" picture. This is what it looks like now. I have a TROT setting for Tube Rotation but it doesn't seem to change anything on the grid.

[Anonymous No.7277826]

>>7277825
The main thing that's bothering me other than the rotation are these warbled lines on the grid. Is there any way to correct this or is this just something I need to accept about my TV?

[Anonymous No.7277841]

>>7253971

LCD cucks need not apply

[Anonymous No.7277843]

>>7277841
good luck with your phone interview anon

[Anonymous No.7277846]

>>7277843
ty man

[Anonymous No.7277851]

>>7277721
Many PS2 conversions will look like crap because they're 480i
Some are actually proper 240p.

[Anonymous No.7277863]

>>7277721
On a higher scanline set, or even on a shitty crt that is just smaller, the scanlines can become almost unseeable. The higher line count on pro crts mean less space in between each line, and same thing with smaller sets.

[Anonymous No.7277881]

>>7277851
Yeah, that kof98 looked okay but had some issues I didn't see with any other consoles or games. Whites had a noticeable flicker and there were no discernable scanlines. Snes and psx games look very nice.
I'd been using it mostly in 480p with a wii, which looks sick.

[Anonymous No.7277901]

>>7277841
beautiful, how much did it run you?

[Anonymous No.7277909]

>>7265049
IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR ME

[Anonymous No.7277920]

Whats the best way to hook up a tv to my pc? Are the hdmi to rca converts on amazon ok?

[Anonymous No.7277935]

>>7277901
The most expensive CRT I paid for, the Olympus OEV203 was $400 after I traded a few games I had doubles of in to some dude in Lansing, MI. The next most expensive was the TV in the back left, which is a KV-32XBR48, was $100. A rich older dude bought it back in 1998, and said he never used it because he was out on the road all the time. It is a curved XBR with component in, and yes I have my GC hooked up to OEM component cables. The GS420 Sony monitor I paid $50 bucks from some guy near me. The second to last most expensive is that small, but adorable Panasonic AG-500-R. You cant tell from the pic, but it has a vertical VCR integrated into it, and it's honestly by far my coolest looking CRT, "worst" in terms of quality because it has a shadow mask, but it's honestly a good picture. Composite in only. I paid $28 for it from an auction site. Had to drive 4 hours to get it though lol, so with gas you could say it's more expensive than the GS420. aaaand finally the Sony XBR960 with matching stand I got for . . free. Some dude was amazed I travelled an hour and a half away to get it, and gave it to me for free, and turned down the $50 he was initially asking for it. It has unfortunately developed an issue where it will rapidly cycle through inputs and stop at the memory card screen/ rand input. I don't think that's something replacing caps can fix, but I will open it up this summer and try to troubleshoot. If any of you anons know what it is, feel free to let me know.

[Anonymous No.7277971]

>>7254001
Just use the map and toggle fuel drum locations

[Anonymous No.7277979]

>>7268683
This nigga finna drop that tube

[Anonymous No.7277981]

>>7277920
Are you just trying to play videos and stuff or as an extra screen. If just videos just get a roku and something like plex. The HDMI converters on amazon are really bad and overheat constantly. Get yourself one of these. https://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-DHCOMF-HDMI-to-Composite-Video-Adapter/540440677 It works great for recording from PC to VHS. Trust me. Do not mess with those ceap ones on amazon that use a seperate power cord. Get one like this that doesn't need seperate power. It costs slightly more but saves on the headace which I almost guarantee you will have.

[Anonymous No.7277983]

>>7272576
fag

[Anonymous No.7278009]

I think I fried my PVM. I have been using a PVM 20M4U for a while now. I recently connected it been connected to my PC for retroarch. It was using the correct signal through nvidia to set the correct refresh rate. It was a lot of fun. Well, a few weeks of this go by. I turn my main monitor off before my PVM. Bad move. I think it sent my monitor's resolution to the PVM. The signal got visibly bad on screen, then the CRT powered off. Since then I haven't been able to power it back on.

[Anonymous No.7278014]

>>7277826
bump

[Anonymous No.7278017]

>>7272415
>>7272576

Explain. Why is the OSSC bad. I genuinely want to know. I'm currently running my old shit on CRTs, but if I want to eventually buy an OLED TV, I wanna know what upscaler is the best. Don't tell me I gotta buy that $500 Micomsoft Framemeister, do I?

[Anonymous No.7278024]

>>7277826
>>7278014
That looks like you may need to move the convergence rings on the neck of the tube if your set has them. You may want to invest in a Klein Convergence Error Measurement Gauge, model no. CM7AG

[Anonymous No.7278035]

>>7278014
Watch Retro Tech's CRT adjustment videos if you want to learn how to fix CRTs. not the black tech guy with a segment called retro tech. The dude's entire channel is called Retro Tech. I think he has sub 10k subs, but he in known as a CRT jesus in CRT circles.

[Anonymous No.7278047]

>>7278024
So I shouldn’t bother with trying to fix it with the service settings then?

[Anonymous No.7278065]

>>7277826
>>7278047
The warbled vertical lines are due to a high contrast setting, if you turn down the contrast then they'll go away. Of course, depending on the condition and age of your set you may not be able to comfortably lower the contrast without sacrificing color/brightness. With these consumer sets it's all about compromising.

[Anonymous No.7278072]

>>7278047
Definitely try the service menu first, I thought you already did that, my bad. Also, try>>7278065
suggestion, it might be that too. Always try to do the simplest stuff first.

[Anonymous No.7278104]

>>7278017
well first of all, you're a worthless retard for coming into a CRT thread and asking what upscaler to buy for your OLED

but to your actual question, the OSSC is fine if you just want big crisp pixels. It only works with RGB so it won't work with every console, so something like an unmodded N64 is incompatible, but if all you want is your RGB systems to output big sharp pixels in 1080p, then a OSSC will do the job. Framemeisters and OSSCs work a little differently but the Framemeister is a more or less outperformed by the OSSC these days, Framemeisters have a little lag (OSSC is supposedly lagless) and Framemeisters can drop signal when there's a resolution change, which some games employ for different situations. On the other hand, OSSCs aren't designed for PAL signals. The OSSC is probably fine for what you're looking to do. Personally I own a Retrotink pro x2 for when I want to drag a console out to the living room to play Mario Party or whatever with some friends, and it more than gets the job done.

So why is that inferior to a CRT? Because that's not what went on back in the day, obviously. Upscalers and modern hardware are always going to behave differently then the hardware the games were actually designed for, and there's always going to be the specter of some kind of incompatibility looming around the corner. Old games are fucking weird. Developers played fast and loose with a lot of video standards because CRTs could largely handle anything thrown at them with no lag or signal drops. Upscalers/emulation/FPGA/whatever has come a long way towards making all these old games compatible with modern OLEDs but they'll never look exactly "right" to someone who is familiar to how they originally looked on contemporary hardware. Duh

[Anonymous No.7278116]

>>7278104
I only asked about upscalers for an OLED because it was mentioned earlier, faggot. I already probably contributed 10 times more to the thread with yes, info and pictures regarding CRTs, than you probably have, so you are a moron.

[Anonymous No.7278121]

>>7278116
>comes into CRT thread
>asks OLED question
>someone answers it
>spergs out anyway
yikes

[Anonymous No.7278132]

I still havent got my vga to component transcoders delivered but started grabbing up crts. already had the panasonic for like 19 years.

[Anonymous No.7278134]

>>7278065
Would this be the regular color contrast in the menu or a different type of contrast? Sorry if that’s a stupid question I’m just wondering how the contrast could have such an effect.

[Anonymous No.7278141]

kitty likes the jvc it seems

[Anonymous No.7278157]

>>7278134
Just the regular color contrast. I have no idea why it happens.

[Anonymous No.7278186]

>>7278009
cucked

[Anonymous No.7278205]

>>7278121
>yikes
Go back to Plebbit, faggot.

[Anonymous No.7278253]

>>7278186
Yup. I've contacted a company that looked at another PVM I once had my hands on, so maybe they can do something. It was otherwise in great condition and was working well

[Anonymous No.7278302]

>>7278205
BIG yikes

[Anonymous No.7278481]

>>7278157
This did the trick. Lines are looking much straighter now. So strange I never would have guessed the contrast would matter

[Anonymous No.7278487]

>>7278481
Screen is dimmer but I suppose I can change other settings to compensate. How does my screen geometry seem at a glance? Judging by the thread, flat TVs have issues with that. Mine is flat but the geometry seems fairly good other than the right corner. Pretty happy with it overall, but maybe I’m just not aware of certain things.

[Anonymous No.7278509]

>>7278487
>>7278481
Looks great. Maybe shift the image to the left and horizontally stretch it a bit. Every console outputs slightly different horizontal and vertical sizes, so if you perfect the grid for one console it might not be perfect on another. Just something you have to live with, and it's really not noticeable. Personally I'd be fine with this, you've done all you can with on screen options.

The slight vertical sag on the top row CAN be fixed, but that would require opening up the back and reseating the yoke while the tube is on. This is a fairly advanced adjustment, so unless you have experience with CRT repair I'd suggest just leaving it alone.

[Anonymous No.7278513]

saw a Sony Trinitron KV-XF29M35 in my area for $50. I'm new to CRT gaming and I have no idea if this shit even works, or if this guy is just trying to get it out of his garage.

is it worth the bother?

[Anonymous No.7278516]

>>7278513
Looks heavy

[Anonymous No.7278528]

>>7278513
>$50
>untested
unless you have a findom fetish or are missing a few ounces of gray matter, then no. You can find working Trinitrons for free in most places.

[Anonymous No.7278529]

>>7278513
You could ask to test it out before buying. When going for CRTs I always bring my snes for quick tests, and everyone I've ever bought from has been cool with it.

[Anonymous No.7278536]

>>7278528
>You can find working Trinitrons for free in most places.
Ok smart guy where? Dumpster diving? Cold calling production companies begging for trash? 50$ for a trinitron right now isn't a crazy value proposition.

[Anonymous No.7278537]

>>7278536
if it makes any difference its $50 aussie bucks

[Anonymous No.7278541]

>>7278509
Awesome, I’m really excited to get the most out of this CRT. I mostly just used this for a Wii before now, but I’ve got a Super Famicom coming soon.

[Anonymous No.7278565]

>>7277935
could be a bad solder join on the memory chip. most late model sets have a microcontroller type of thing that handles settings. start with easy shit. if it has an input button, blow out the button with air or contact cleaner. i've had sets that I thought were dead in the water but it was a bad power button and that's why they were on the curb. LCD and CRT both.

[Anonymous No.7278632]

>finally complete my dream setup after a year or two of on/off collecting
>all the consoles I cared about and wanted as a kid, RGB modded and with flashcarts/SD loaders all plugged in to a SCART splitter for easy changing which then goes into a PVM with great geometry
>feel completely empty now
>remind self I could just be emulating, not sure I even care about the look of a CRT display and I have a more than good enough PC for higher end emulation and CRT filters are a thing
>would take up less room, be a cleaner setup and have much more versitility
I don't know what this feel is bros, I was enjoying this up until it was done.

[Anonymous No.7278710]

>>7278632
no CRT computer screen?

[Anonymous No.7278716]

>>7278632
bruv can you pls not say concerning shit like this right after I bought a ps1 and am looking for a CRT to play it on

[Anonymous No.7278757]

>>7278632
that's what happens when you're a bandwagonning zoomer, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.7278980]

>>7278537
Okay, you're probably fucked since you're a Dundee, but at least try to find one that's working before you pay anything for one.

[Anonymous No.7279130]

>>7278536

[Anonymous No.7279176]

>>7278632
>>7278716
This is why you need hobbies beyond just collecting. Hope you have something else to help fill the human need to do things. You’ll care again soon.

[Anonymous No.7279278]

>>7278632
this is why i dont fuck with flashcarts, there's like 20ish games i want to play for each console and "having everything" at your finger tips makes me not want to play anything

[Anonymous No.7279282]

>>7278537
see if he'll let you plug something in and test it before you break your back dragging it away

[Anonymous No.7279332]

>>7275338
all of the industry around producing something as complicated as a crt would have to exist as well, in theory you could make them in small batches, but they would costs thousands, probably tens of thousands to make it worth it

[Anonymous No.7279335]

>>7278513
too big, find something smaller

[Anonymous No.7279339]

>>7279332
I don't know, materials science has come such a long way in the last 2 decades that the most restrictive manufacturing project, the tube itself, can probably be completely re-engineered with better glass, phosphor, and grille for a fraction of old manufacturing costs. Then the only all it takes is a lot of crowdfunding or a venture capitalist to kickstart the R&D

[Anonymous No.7279342]

Does this look 29 or 32 inches to you guys? It's very close by and I'll probably be able to get it for close to nothing.

[Anonymous No.7279348]

>>7279342
I don't think sony ever made 29s. There wouldn't be much of a difference anyways. Either way it will be 150-180lbs

[Anonymous No.7279508]

Realistically, how long will pvmeme prices continue to rise? Will they eventually be selling for what they cost when new?

[Anonymous No.7279524]

>>7279508
supply will only go down, and the collector mentality will only get stronger

[Anonymous No.7279747]

>>7277521
No.

My Trini and Compaq both look good.

[Anonymous No.7280083]

>>7278157
>Briefly: High beam current drags down the accelerating voltage. The electrons thus move slower toward the screen. Tne sweep coils then have more time to work on them, so the raster enlarges slightly.
>I could see the effect being limited to just the bright area of the screen, but that speaks of EXTREMELY poor regulation - I usually don't see it unless there are large changes in overall brightness level.
>It does not depend on the presence of a shadow mask or aperture grille. It's just that some monitors have better regulation than others. A tube without a shadow mask doesn't have to have nearly the beam current as one with, so it's much easier to keep the HV independent of the beam current.
>I've heard this called both "blooming" and "pumping", with "blooming" sometimes said to be a more serious condition in which the raster not only grows but also loses focus. This is also due to poor HV regulation (focus anode voltage is derived from the same circuit that drives the accelerating anode)

[Anonymous No.7280114]

UKbros what consumer CRTs should I be looking out for? 60hz/RGB SCART as a minimum of course

[Anonymous No.7280590]

>>7277375
Hell yeah. Post pics when they arrive

[Anonymous No.7280631]

>>7259878
Such an underrated post in this thread.

[Anonymous No.7280693]

What brands would you say are as good as sony trinitrons in quality?

[Anonymous No.7280713]

>>7259878
>>7280631
Fun facts: On the day this photo was taken, the lead actress from Pan's Labyrinth was born, the father from the Dennis the Menace show died, and a drunken Swedish police officer named Mattias Flink gunned down 7 people at random in a public park, most of them women. In fact, this photo was taken so long ago, Mattias Flink completed his 20 year sentence and is now a free man. Thanks Sweden!

[Anonymous No.7280780]

>>7280713
The More You Know

[Anonymous No.7280823]

>>7280693
the second most popular brand to jack off over is the JVC D-series. there were also cheaper JVC sets made at the same time with presumably the same tubes and just less features.

[Anonymous No.7280929]

>>7277981
Yeah it will be used as a third monitor, mainly for emulating games old games and watching jappo cartoons. Thanks dude

[Anonymous No.7281082]

>>7280929
>emulating games old games
no 240p

[Anonymous No.7281121]

>found a 13" trinitron for cheap
How much mileage can i expect to get out of a crt anyways? Ive never actually ever seen one burn out.

[Anonymous No.7281129]

>>7280693
JVC, TOSHIBA, PHILIPS, PANASONIC,

[Anonymous No.7281134]

>>7281121
If it lasted this long it's gud

[Anonymous No.7281154]

my tv only has white and yellow cable outputs. What am I missing when playing PS2 games without the red?

[Anonymous No.7281158]

>>7272490
Mfw I had to learn all of this from tril and error.

[Anonymous No.7281167]

>>7281082
couldnt you just do 2x and it would be fine?

[Anonymous No.7281171]

>>7274956
An RGB modded consumer set is just about as good, but PVM's and BVM's are an entirely different beast.

[Anonymous No.7281172]

>>7281154
You're missing stereo audio.

[Anonymous No.7281175]

>>7275050
What is that, a nine inch model? That's a horrible price for such a small monitor no matter what it is.

[Anonymous No.7281181]

>>7272490
So if I want my n64 to look better I have to buy new cables for it too? Do a lot of old TVs support S-video?

[Anonymous No.7281216]

>>7281181
it's like, 30% i would say
PVMs usually have S-Video in
Alternatively you can get an RGB mod kit, but to me S-Video is good enough (plus i don't have a soldering kit or experience doing that kind of mod)

[Anonymous No.7281238]

So here's a debate. JVC: I'art or D Series, or neither? I'm genuinely curious as to what the good and bad points of them are in comparison to one another.

[Anonymous No.7281282]

>>7277979
thats colossus, only the sentinels can beat him

[Anonymous No.7281287]

>>7278116
ossc and the micomsoft framemeister are both fine for OLEDs, I have both and use them on a 74 inch 4k lcd and they are good

[Anonymous No.7281295]

>>7267438
Really dig the VHS display rack.

[Anonymous No.7281453]

>>7281181
look into modding your TV to receive RGB

[Anonymous No.7281457]

>>7281453
Im a burger, how do?

[Anonymous No.7281485]

>>7281453
Educate me on the signal conversion, what cables do I need to get the best out of a tv with only composite connections? Do I need a SCART -> RGB -> Composite to max the quality?

[Anonymous No.7281527]

>>7281485
if you're going into modding the CRT to input RGB, then you need to also mod your console so the outputs match your TV mod.

[Anonymous No.7281530]

>>7281527
So am I stuck at composite quality without modding?

[Anonymous No.7281532]

>>7281457
YouTube modding a TV for RGB

[Anonymous No.7281543]

>>7281530
on an N64? no you can get s-video cables for them which looks noticeably sharper, see >>7281216
you just need a TV with s-video in

If you only have a TV with nothing but composite in, then yes obviously you're stuck with composite quality if you're not buying a different set or modding what you have

[Anonymous No.7281547]

>>7281543
Now I see what you're saying. Would American PVMs support RGB though?

[Anonymous No.7281564]

>>7281547
Yeah nearly all of them support RGB/YPbPr and composite. There a handful that don't have RGB/YPbPr and the older ones don't have S-Video, but most have all three

[Anonymous No.7281780]

>>7281547
n64 doesnt support rgb out without mods though, and its so blurry it doesn't matter, the s video out is 95% the same

not worth it

[Anonymous No.7282596]

>>7281564
>most have all three
This isn't true. Some of the models with rgb+svideo have economy counterparts with just svideo. Svideo seems to be on everything from the late 80s on. The only pvm branded monitor I've come across without svideo was like pic related, which was from 1985 so it predated svideo.
Rgb is pretty common but still not really a sure thing. YPbPr is mostly restricted to later model 600tvl monitors and up. Bvms usually have rgb+YPbPr but not, svideo.
You should always double check.

[Anonymous No.7282701]

>>7282596
>YPbPr is mostly restricted to later model 600tvl monitors and up.
Yeah but 99% of the PVMs you see these days are M series or L series, so I'm not wrong. All of those except for a handful are 600 tvl and have all three inputs.

This is genuinely a good spec onesheet
https://www.r*ddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/speclist

[Anonymous No.7282704]

>>7282596
Kind of chiming in to agree, my JVC pro monitor from 1985 has RGB and composite, but no s-video.

[Anonymous No.7282715]

>>7282701
>Yeah but 99% of the PVMs you see these days are M series or L series
No, not really

[Anonymous No.7282723]

>>7282715
That's what I see in Los Angeles at least
Either way just check the specs if you see one, it's not like it's hard

[Anonymous No.7282746]

>>7282723
That picture was taken in los angeles, I'm in los angeles. My advice was also to check and never assume that "nearly all of them support rgb/ypbpr and composite",because that's just not true and I don't need to click that link to know it. It might look like most of the monitors out there are M or L series because the ones listed on OfferUp/CL are way overpriced and sit there for months at a time.

[Anonymous No.7282748]

>>7253971
>Spongebob
>retro

[Anonymous No.7282859]

>>7282746
So we agree? Fuckin sperg

[Anonymous No.7282865]

>>7282859
Yes, but only on the fact that buyers should check the inputs before buying. We don't agree on them nearly all supporting rgb/ypbpr and svideo. That's simply not true. What monitors have you run into in LA?

[Anonymous No.7282901]

What do you think about Mitsubishi Diamondtron Pro monitors /vr/ ?

I've found one for 20 euros, in its original package, so it should be no problem the shipping of it. I'm probably going to spend 15 euro for shipment. Pic Related.

35 euro total, is that too much for a Diamondtron 17''?

[Anonymous No.7282921]

>>7282865
Mostly 14" PVMs from about 2000, but I'm actually standing front of a JVC TM-H1700G right now that actually doesn't have ypbpr so I guess I'm wrong and you're right. Sorry I called you a sperg

[Anonymous No.7282930]

>>7282921
> JVC TM-H1700G
I have the 15" version of that model. I think most of the JVC monitors are svideo /composite only with expansion slots. I had to buy a card from kiwi anon to get rgb. They're fucking sick though and usually overlooked by pvmemers.

[Anonymous No.7282975]

Any recommendations for a decent PS3 RGB SCART cable? Retro gaming cables has PS2, which probably work, but they're overpriced. I tried finding a component to SCART adapter like the one for composite, but can't find anything cheap and that it's the equivalent.

[Anonymous No.7283152]

Would hospitals have pvms still laying around in the year of our lord 2021?

[Anonymous No.7283197]

>>7283152
Laying around? Probably not. In use? Sure, maybe.

[Anonymous No.7283212]

>>7282975
Not sure, PS3s have HDMI and output 720/1080p so I don't think there's a big demand

[Anonymous No.7283227]

>>7283212
Plenty of people use it for PSX, PS2 and old movies/series on a CRT though.

[Anonymous No.7283231]

>>7283212
>>7282975
PS1-3 use the same a/v output connector but psx rgb cables are supposed to have 220uf capacitors in each of the rgb lines for ac coupling, ps2 doesn't. I actually don't know about ps3 but I would assume you don't need them. You can build your own easily and cheaply.

[Anonymous No.7283323]

>>7259865
>I don't have any modern TV, I watch Netflix on a 20" PVM on my PS3.
>Anyway, I want this set, but my car just ended at the mechanic this morning, so I'll probably postpone this until next month if it's still available
You should get it if for nothing else that it's a 16:9 set and has much nicer interior aesthetics than some budget Chinesium TV. You can always replace it with a flat panel when it croaks or else you get bored with it.

[Anonymous No.7283342]

>>7282901
I have an Iiyama monitor that has a Mitsubishi Diamondtron CRT. 22" flat. Great CRT with perfect geometry.

[Anonymous No.7283350]

>>7283231
That's what I thought, but Retro gaming cables says in the description of each it's only for that console.

[Anonymous No.7283364]

Has anyone here actually phoned a tv station looking for crts before? Did it ever pay off?

[Anonymous No.7283365]

>>7282901
it's shit, give it to me ill throw it away for you

[Anonymous No.7283367]

>>7283350
Well yeah, you want 220uf caps in the psx cable but not ps2 so they're technically different cables.

[Anonymous No.7283375]

>>7282930
>usually overlooked by pvmemers
from my experience they get the same reddit tax, there was only a very short window of opportunity where Sony PVMs first rose in price while the secondary pro monitors (JVC, ikegami) stayed secret. They're not secrets anymore

[Anonymous No.7283382]

>>7283367
Yeah, but they say the PS2 cable can only be used on a PS2, but I assume it can be used on PS3.

[Anonymous No.7283385]

>>7283382
first hand account ps2 cables work for ps3. You can even do 480p widescreen RGsB

[Anonymous No.7283396]

>>7283385
Thanks. I know composite works, but wasn't sure about RGB SCART.

[Anonymous No.7283406]

>>7283364
Not a TV station but a rental house, sure. It paid off.
I have personally sent maybe a dozen monitors off to be recycled. I worked at a camera rental house in the early 2010s. We had a parking lot sale to try to sell some old inventory. All the electronic shit that didn't sell was sent off to be recycled. I strapped all those fuckers down on a pallet, some still in custom cases, so they could be carted off. This was years before I gave a fuck about monitors and I wasn't even playing any vidya at the time.

[Anonymous No.7283408]

>>7283396
I got the cables from that ebay store that I always have a hard time finding. Retro gaming accessories I think it's called?

[Anonymous No.7283428]

>>7283408
I'll have a look, thanks. I'm always reluctant in ordering cables from unknown sellers.

[Anonymous No.7283449]

>>7283428
seems it was retro_console_accessories and you can only get them through retro access now, for a price

[Anonymous No.7283501]

>>7283449
Pretty much the same price as Retro gaming cables. I'll keep using composite and look into how to make one.

[Anonymous No.7283546]

>>7275759
I've never seen a flat screen not have some sort of warping towards the sides. For fast 2d scrolling games it's super noticable.

[Anonymous No.7283557]

>>7283501
homemade cables are definitely the way to go. That way you can bypass the scart tax (unless you're a european and your tv actually has scart).

[Anonymous No.7283574]

>>7283557
>unless you're a european and your tv actually has scart
I am.

[Anonymous No.7283587]

>>7270179
I have the same setup like yours with the dual monitors. The way I do it is to add all the resolutions to the Nvidia control panel. Then you'll have to make a bunch of core overrides like this:

bsnes.cfg
>aspect_ratio_index = "23"
>video_fullscreen_x = "1920"
>video_fullscreen_y = "1120"
>custom_viewport_width = "1920"
>custom_viewport_height = "1120"

Beetle PSX.cfg
>aspect_ratio_index = "23"
>video_fullscreen_x = "1920"
>video_fullscreen_y = "1200"
>custom_viewport_width = "1920"
>custom_viewport_height = "1200"

As far as I know, this is the only way to automatically switch resolutions on an Nvidia card without using switchres or crtemudriver.
Also, I use 1920x1200 because I don't like the way VGA monitors look at actual 240p, so instead I just a higher resolution with a shader.

[Anonymous No.7283594]

>>7283574
>I was talking to a euro this whole time

[Anonymous No.7283661]

>>7283594
So what? We're all made of flesh and bones. Just enjoy life.

[Anonymous No.7283918]

>had opportunity for toshiba 32a42a for FREE earlier today
>YPbPr input
>S-video input
>amazing picture
>huge
>TOO huge
>Would not fit anywhere in my setup

I ended up passing on it. It hurts. If it was a little smaller, it could fit into my setup, but... Fuck. I will just keep looking for a CRT PC monitor.

If someone wants it, it's still available on Facebook Marketplace. Its in Southampton, PA near Philly.

[Anonymous No.7283941]

>>7283918
dude you literally have the pick of the litter by you, for instance I found a toshiba 27af44, which is exactly what you want, after not 10 seconds after searching

[Anonymous No.7283970]

>>7283941
Oh, I am not in Southampton. I am in
levittown, so it's not coming up for me. Do you happen to have a link? I might be retarded as I cannot find it.

[Anonymous No.7284010]

>>7283918
Thought it was near me. There's a Southampton in England. I would be picking up CRTs and consoles for free if it wasn't for the stupid tier 4 lockdown with police handing out tickets for driving 5 miles away from home. I keep seeing free shit in FB Marketplace because no one can leave the house to pick them up... Fuck this shit. Once the lockdown is lifted in 2022 I'll message a bunch of people and pick everything up in 1 day. It's gonna be like Christmas.

[Anonymous No.7284016]

>>7283970
it's in branchburg, NJ listed as FREE toshiba tv

[Anonymous No.7284217]

Are decent RGB cables for the PS1 seriously 50 bucks?

[Anonymous No.7284234]

>>7276126
Just go the PC CRT route if you hate it that much they don't do that
>>7281167
No that won't look right trust me
>>7281485
Why would downconverting the signal be better than just letting the consoles output at composite to begin with, can anyone explain?

[Anonymous No.7284323]

Just got around to testing my Insuration Industries SCART cable, looks nice but man i'm disappointed with the construction. No PCB, just wires and components soldered to the legs of the SCART connector.

[Anonymous No.7284369]

new thread >>7284367
new thread >>7284367
new thread >>7284367

[Anonymous No.7284870]

>>7284010
then you'll just have to pay that tv loicense