/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7249059]

What's with the RGB autism?
Why are people who very likely don't even play the games they collect, so obsessed with getting the cleanest image out, to the point they blow hundreds of dollars, do hours of modding, buy an expensive as FUCK PVM that looks nothing at all like how anyone remembers the games nor is it how the devs intended the games to look/be played, why?
At that point why not just fucking emulate if you aren't going to respect the original hardware and it's limitations?

[Anonymous No.7249068]

>using original hardware
>not respecting the original hardware

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you OP

[Anonymous No.7249078]

It's a hobby.
Why are some people buying hundreds of thousands of dollars of audio equipment so they can listen to a CD the way they think it was meant to be heard when they could've built a replica of the mastering studio for less money and the mixing for the album was done specifically to sound good on iPods anyways?

[Anonymous No.7249084]

>>7249059
this guy blocked me because i called him out for being a douchebag. idk whats up with the "modding" community being entitled narcissists. just because you solder video game consoles for neckbeards doesn't make you some kind of wizard.

[Anonymous No.7249102]

>>7249078
Yeah but good hobbies don't involve throwing away your money to get an experience that undermines the medium
You're also wrong to say albums were "mixed for ipods" considering SACD was a thing, then high bitrate FLAC, 5.1 surround, etc., so plenty of albums are designed with high end in mind. With gaming there's no high end in mind. Nobody was meant to play on a PVM, they're stupid expensive, a pain to work with, and by that point you may as well just emulate if you're seeking a crisp signal.

[Anonymous No.7249104]

>>7249084
he has a lazy eye and he is so self conscious about it haha, always wearing glasses indoors and never looking straight at the camera. honestly he just seems like an overcompensating nerd with a fake tough guy persona.

[Anonymous No.7249182]

>>7249068
RGB mods are not original hardware LOL

[Anonymous No.7249192]

>>7249182
A number of consoles do RGB out of the box, though.

[Anonymous No.7249194]

>>7249192
then they aren't mods

[Anonymous No.7249201]

>>7249192
That's not the stuff we're talking about then, obviously.

[Anonymous No.7249260]

>>7249059
So, honestly I think these games look better half the time on a shitty crt over composite, so long as you can read the text. but that's more of an issue with gen5+

[Anonymous No.7249302]

>>7249059
>devs intended

RGB modding is still closer to dev intentions than emulation ever will be. Bonus points for actually being legal.

[Anonymous No.7249307]

>>7249302
>d-devs totally didn't intend you to use standard consumer grade crt's bro

[Anonymous No.7249346]

>>7249307
>Ill take cherry picking for $100

[Anonymous No.7249356]

>>7249346
Soulless

[Anonymous No.7249387]

>>7249307
>posts anti-RGB argument
>example is an NES port of a home computer game
Retard.

[Anonymous No.7249443]

RGB is a standard thing for standard def computer hardware to do at the time

America is just weird for not selling consumer TVs with RGB, as both in PAL countries (SCART) and Japan (JP21) RGB was officially supported just as any other standard like s-video

[Anonymous No.7249613]

>>7249059
I grew up with retro games via emulation and collection discs. The sharp pixel edges are my normal, sure i miss out on some neat effects like dithering, but the clarity is more than worth it to me.

[Anonymous No.7249641]

>>7249443
The official SFC RGB cable eternally btfos the anti-SNES via RGB crowd. I played SNES via fucking RF as a kid and was perfectly happy with it, though, so it isn't like I can't cope with lower quality signals. Fuck, I think my parents even had to buy me an RF adapter for the N64 as a kid because my gaming TV at the time didn't have composite.

[Anonymous No.7249663]

>>7249260
100% agreed.

[Anonymous No.7249678]

>>7249443
Why does it matter if pal had scart if its 50hz refresh rate? So, you can see the cleaner pixels, slower? Im Legitimately curious...

[Anonymous No.7249680]

look if you arent emulating your games off of a jailbroke ps3 hooked to your crt over rf from a vcr are you really living

[Anonymous No.7249684]

I dumped a lot of money into mods and cables and PVMs and shit, then I realized that composite on a consumer CRT was best all along

[Anonymous No.7249694]

>>7249678
There's 60hz RGB capable SCART color TVs going back to late 70's
While yes in the context of vidya it was a bit of a waste on the shitty PAL versions, since RGB video lacks color encoding you could also play 60hz US/JP games on a suitable console in color over SCART when composite/s-video would've been black and white due to the color encoding

[Anonymous No.7249702]

>>7249694
So, companies purposefully gimped european games to 50hz for poor eurofags? That's glorious, kek.

[Anonymous No.7249741]

>>7249702
Not every TV had scart though. Notably very very cheap very small TVs. You might not even have composite on those and been RF only.
Then you're usually stuck with 50hz.
Things did eventually improve and games started giving you the option for 50 or 60hz around the PS2 era. Nintendo in their infinite wisdom even published a 60hz only GameCube game.

[Anonymous No.7249992]

Arcade chads want RGB and high-quality monitors because that's what arcade games looked like

[Anonymous No.7250129]

[Anonymous No.7250136]

What's the difference between RGB, composite and Scart?

>>7250129
I really like when the game tells you the name of each and every enemies.

[Anonymous No.7250251]

Mostly an American thing, we Euros can just buy a cable for not too much and just plug it directly in almost any tv

[Anonymous No.7250273]

>>7249059
Because dipshit I remember what rf looked like and it was hot garbage. And around 2003ish I got a s-video cable for the GCN and it looked miles better than composite on a flat trinitron. I grew up right when the transistor from barrel to flat crt's were coming about and holy shit the improvements were almost mind blowing in every way.

And we also had direct rgb on pc's so why do you think it's either impractical or expensive? If you have your old tv that's literally free! And cables are usually only 10-12 bux so lol?

The hundreds of dollars are for retards that want upscaling because they're too retarded for a pc emulation set up.

>>7249102
You shouldn't really focus on the format, rather how the actual production focused on quality overall. Flac isn't going to make something sound better, nor is 5.1- a good stereo set up can really do miles better in emulating the soundstage/imaging than dedicated channels.

[Anonymous No.7250442]

I just play on a 25" Panasonic with the cables that come in the box and I used as a kid and I'm happy. I bought some component cables for Wii and PS2, but that was for LCD. My CRTs only have SCART and I can't find a component to SCART adapter.

[Anonymous No.7250579]

>waste hundreds of dollars
I did and my life wouldn't be different if i had those hundreds saved.
It makes me paranoid having money saved.

[Anonymous No.7250585]

>>7249059
>Why are people who very likely don't even play the games they collect, so obsessed with getting the cleanest image out, to the point they blow hundreds of dollars, do hours of modding, buy an expensive as FUCK PVM that looks nothing at all like how anyone remembers the games nor is it how the devs intended the games to look/be played, why?
Because I play all of the games I collect

[Anonymous No.7250613]

Pvms look very nice

[Anonymous No.7250828]

>>7249084
He is skilled and treated with much ass kissing, so he's just got an inflated ego. While I appreciate his videos and tips, he is, as you told him, a douche. Seems like he would not be fun to hang out with.

[Anonymous No.7250840]

>>7249059
american cope thread number 23155775962

[Anonymous No.7250981]

>>7249307
this is the only pic CRTfags ever spam, shows how cherrpicked it is

[Anonymous No.7251053]

>>7250840
spoons, fucking spoons

[Anonymous No.7251087]

>>7249084
Why do you think you're entitled to talk to him? You complain about narcissism and then come whining on 4chan when you don't get your way for no reason.

[Anonymous No.7251093]

>>7250840
>pay 300 usd for RGB on a 8" PVM
Do Americans really?

[Anonymous No.7251212]

>>7249084
this idiot went anti scart for like 5mins because a short circuit caused by a cable, when in the end it was caused by a PCB design flaw inside scart head by a reputable cable maker.

fyi old scart cables never used pcbs on pins. It was just bad design to save time and money.

[Anonymous No.7251365]

>>7249741
I'm starting to think the pvm meme was started by eurofags, because, I'm guessing, 90s crt's are mostly 50hz, which means there wouldn't be as much of a desire to try and find one as there would be in the states. It makes sense, too, because it's the same elitist attitude they have when it comes to the speccy (which I like the zx spectrum for what it is) like it was a gift from God, when in reality it was a give and take situation. The cope, kek

[Anonymous No.7251470]

>>7251365
Why would we do that? Americans are the ones who are more eager to look for memes and meme-devices, at no point would I ever recommend meme stuff like studio tvs if you have a tv at home with a scart port

[Anonymous No.7251504]

>>7251470
>Americans are the ones who are more eager to look for memes and meme-devices

It is mostly Reddit's fault, you get shunned for your consumer CRT on there, meanwhile the circle jerk of the PVMeme from both Americans and Britfags has skyrocketed over the last several years.

[Anonymous No.7251515]

>>7249443
>America is just weird for not selling consumer TVs with RGB

[Anonymous No.7251518]

>>7249059
Autism from autistic people.
I do use RGB to Y/Pb/Pr conversion from my Genesis, because it is that or awful composite, but otherwise, it is S-Video down the line for other consoles on a nice sized consumer set.

[Anonymous No.7251530]

>>7251365
99% of euro crts accept 60hz refresh (which has nothing to do with 50hz mains).
PVMemes was actually started by Neogeo.com forum members, as it was the easiest way of RGB in the states.
Europe literaly has RGB on every TV via SCART, the benefit of monitors are form factor and higher TVL.

[Anonymous No.7251546]

>>7250136
>What's the difference between RGB, composite and Scart?

Please respond :(

[Anonymous No.7251559]

>>7251546
RGB is a video signal standard. SCART is a connector cable that carries the RGB signal. Composite cables are those Red/White/Yellow cables with three heads that you've undoubtedly seen before.

[Anonymous No.7251570]

>>7251559
Forgot to add; Google is a search engine that can be used to learn this information.

[Anonymous No.7251596]

>>7251559
>>7251570
Thanks for not actually answering, faggot.

[Anonymous No.7251628]

>>7249346

[Anonymous No.7251641]

>>7251546
Composite is the shitty video wire that is just yellow.
Rgb and scart is the same thing.
Red green blue signal.
Component has those too(red green blue) but for some reason the scart plug just looks a tiny bit better.

[Anonymous No.7251650]

>>7251596
I will murder your family.

[Anonymous No.7251668]

>>7251650
Suck my dick you autist.

>>7251641
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.7251692]

>>7251628

Really brings me back to the old days of chicken nuggets and my $10,000 pro video monitor.

[Anonymous No.7251694]

>>7251546
There is also another thing you forgot. Its called s-video. It makes everything look really Crisp. Its on most composite tvs. And s-video console cables are rather cheap.i found this box for n64 and it does s-video.

[Anonymous No.7251783]

>>7251694
Why don't people just plug their console with the cable provided instead of going full retard?

[Anonymous No.7251816]

>>7249059
its better than being nostalgia poisoned. when i play a game I want it to be the best it can be not what i remember settling for as a stupid child

[Anonymous No.7251829]

>>7251628

[Anonymous No.7251846]

>>7251829
What's wrong?

[Anonymous No.7251847]

>>7251783
Simple, built in potential of the console being unleashed, and the included cable was for the lowest common denominator.

[Anonymous No.7251861]

>>7251847
Does it really change that much?...

[Anonymous No.7251867]

>>7251504
>going to reddit

>>7251515
came to late for most systems, you have to do a lot more to even make it work for pre 6th-gen systems and it's more anoying to even make 240p work with them too

[Anonymous No.7251872]

>>7251783
S video wires are cheap but they arent cheap for the n64 well the official one is over $50 .
This box is pretty cool. It does 3 different types of video.

[Anonymous No.7251879]

>>7251783
You really need to see the difference in s-video it's amazing. Half life and red faction on ps2 are good examples.
On s-video it looks like everything got glossed over.

[Anonymous No.7251880]

>>7251867
>you have to do a lot more to even make it work for pre 6th-gen systems
Just use this.
>and it's more anoying to even make 240p work with them too
Unless its an HD CRT then it'll do 240p over component.

[Anonymous No.7251889]

>>7249059
dunno lol. i prefer composite honestly. if i wanted sharp ass blocky pixels i would play an emulator.

[Anonymous No.7251954]

>>7249059
pretty much everything but nes and n64 outputs RGB scart with just right cable, and they aren't even that expensive on aliexpress. and here in Europe 99% of TV's has rgb scart port so you might as well use the best option available.

[Anonymous No.7251990]

>>7251087
hey look it's bob from retrorgb, maybe for new years you can lose some weight fatass

[Anonymous No.7252204]

>>7249059
It was never about gaming, it's the high fidelity

[Anonymous No.7252254]

>>7251783

[Anonymous No.7252278]

>>7249678
most euros TV were capable of 60 Hz

[Anonymous No.7252292]

weird how the common american cope for using (and defending! wtf) composhite is "muh 50 Hz" while no mentally sound euro would ever defend the monstruosity that is 50 Hz
I've been playing NTSC games through SCART RGB for like 2 decades just fine, best of both worlds.

[Anonymous No.7252309]

>>7251990
lmao this board is either total schizos or 13 year olds, I genuinely can't tell
>>7249182
I mean in europe rgb was supported out of the box by everything
I don't have a PVM at the moment but they look great, being contrarian either comes from jealousy or general lack of experience with crt displays

[Anonymous No.7252327]

>>7250442
Lol, I was in the same situation, anon.
What you have (Component and standard YPbPr) isn't compatible with Scart. Because Scart uses standard called RGB.
You can forget about Component into Scart and that sweet 480p.

What you can do is buy RGB-Scart cables and get equally good picture, but 480i only.

[Anonymous No.7252343]

>>7252254
Why are you larping as a brit, tyrone?

[Anonymous No.7252356]

>>7252343
>brit
LMAO
typical HERE BE DRAGONS yankee geography

[Anonymous No.7252426]

>>7252309
if it's supported out of the box, how is it a mod?

[Anonymous No.7252617]

>>7251829

[Anonymous No.7252748]

>>7252617

[Anonymous No.7252750]

>>7251990
Bam Magera?

>>7251880
On a crt? Doubtfull

[Anonymous No.7252781]

>>7252750
CRTs are literally the only things that can do 240p component.

[Anonymous No.7252874]

>>7249059
It's hard to tell which thing you are complaining about

Is it because you think they are obsessive?
Would you be ok with it if it was inexpensive?
Would it be ok if it wasn't so much work?
Do you think devs wanted your tv to be fuzzy?
Is it about accuracy to the era and the rest of that was just a rant?

The answer is they want a better picture combined with the physical experience of using the hardware. Tell me what's wrong with that when you get your daddy issues sorted out.

[Anonymous No.7252890]

>>7249307
What do you think they plug RGB cables into retard

[Anonymous No.7252903]

>>7252748

[Anonymous No.7252947]

>>7252874
whats wrong with it is that its better than what I use and that pisses me off

[Anonymous No.7253056]

>>7249059
I only use RGB on the SNES since it removes some annoying artifacts (know issue, see FF6 and Demo's Crest intro stripe etc), for everything else I actually prefer the "analog" look of composite and the Genesis flat out NEEDS it to look correct since most games where made to take advantage of the chroma/luma blend artifacts in one form or another to create transparency, blend/diffuse pixels to create the illusion of higher resolution and even create new or expand the colors displayed. It's for this reason I don't use my Analogue SG for other than Master System games, Genesis games look so wrong and horrible on it that for me it's unplayable and the filters on there does jack shit other than make it even worse.

As for composite in general it also helps with making uneven pixels in aspect corrected signals look right and masks the "shimmer" effect it would otherwise create. I'd say cable/video signal choice is a lot more important to getting the games to look right than playing them on a CRT or with fake crappy scanlines, playing on a CRT will always feel better and right yes, but a Genesis on a CRT with via an RGB cable will always look horrible and wrong.

Take a look at this video for more info and a lot of great examples of why some systems or situations might need composite:
https://youtu.be/x0weL5XDpPs?t=470

[Anonymous No.7253107]

>>7251212
For 5 mins? Anon I am sorry to tell you that he still fucking hates SCART and tells everyone to use component.

[Anonymous No.7253116]

I'm not super rich, if I was.. to satisfy my curiosity (and autism) I would probably do stupid shit like sink ridiculous money into things like acquiring a PVM and having it recapped and calibrated. While going that far is out of the question because of the ridiculous costs, I may be.. at a level or two below that? Last year I purchased an OSSC and some stupid SCART cables from Retro Access, games look pretty darn good through that thing on a flatscreen, but I eventually decided to pull my 27 inch consumer CRT from 2004 out of storage and I am playing on that using either HD Retrovision cables or FPGA devices out putting YPbPr signals. I haven't done any kind of special maintenance on the CRT, but it seems to be in really good shape still.

This weekend, I have been playing that new English patched version of Grandia on Sega Saturn using a new Satiator. I have had this console modded, the toslink mod has been done and it has been recapped. So, I am getting some of the best analog video possible out of the system and I am running the digital audio over toslink to the "schiit stack" and some decent headphones. Most people would roll their eyes at this convoluted setup, but I gotta say, the experience has been incredible and for me, totally worth it.

[Anonymous No.7253138]

>>7249059
>Why are people who very likely don't even play the games they collect
I can't speak for other people, but for me personally, when I spend a bunch of money on these hardware devices or mods in the pursuit of optimal video and audio, that's a pretty powerful motivator to actually play the damn games.

[Anonymous No.7253173]

i use a pvm but i don't use rgb. i just use the best officially supported cable, which is usually s-video.

[Anonymous No.7253224]

>>7253056
Yeah.. When you go RGB or even S-video on these older consoles, you run into the issue of checkerboard patterns and dithering graphics that were intended to be blended by the effects of composite video. It is a trade-off, I still prefer the better video signals.

[Anonymous No.7253394]

>>7249059
I play old consoles every night after work for at least an hour. Been chipping away at old favorites and old games I missed out on as a kid. I just love how shit looks on crt's

[Anonymous No.7253398]

[Anonymous No.7253663]

>>7253107


>>7253107
>>>7251212
>For 5 mins? Anon I am sorry to tell you that he still fucking hates SCART and tells everyone to use component.
That's because his buttbuddy hdretrovision sells them, he has to shill them.

[Anonymous No.7253678]

>>7251867
>it's more anoying to even make 240p work with them too
this is an HDTV problem and not inherent to component cables

[Anonymous No.7253762]

>>7251087
>Talking to Lord Voultar is a privilege, how dare you!!!!!

[Anonymous No.7253798]

I modded my SNES jr for RGB (without buying the pcb) and it really is noticably sharper than my regular SNES.
Love my PVM, completely happy with it. Sorry they got so expensive.

[Anonymous No.7253802]

>>7249059
Honestly retro gaming isn’t even the most expensive of my personal hobby. It’s really cheap even if you go all original consoles w/ flashcarts. Just my fucking project XJ I’ve been tooling with costs more than my entire retro setup which is an OG Xbox, Mister, Wii and Saturn on a cart with a PVM on top. Even if you overpay for shit it’s a cheap hobby that you can get a lot of enjoyment out of man. I don’t really get people that complain about prices as if they’re outrageous

[Anonymous No.7254050]

>>7251628
>>7252617
>>7252748
>>7252903
Not sure if it's just how you're photographing it, but the image looks consistently washed out in every shot you posted.

[Anonymous No.7254057]

>>7253802
>My expensive version of an expensive necessity costs more than my small collection of cheap consoles, an emulator box and a meme monitor and no games
No shit

[Anonymous No.7254078]

>>7251846
he overpaid for a pvm and turned the contrast so high he blew out the blacks. might as well be on a flatscreen


i've wanted to (unironically) get into the speccy but the biggest problem is the display in the states. all this talk of 50/60hz made me realize i could import a 50hz television for probably just the cost of the shipping if only the cheap models are 50hz. is it worth it? I don't like fpga solutions and i am not a display snob and can repair/replace parts.

[Anonymous No.7254413]

>>7254078
Do you even care about the game itselft, or are you autistic?

[Radiochan !FhErN6z1NQ No.7254445]

>>7252781
I had a Samsung that could do it, served me well for 10 years till it died. Wish you could repair an LCD like you can a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7254467]

>>7249059
>What's with the RGB autism?
It looks much nicer on a CRT than composite and S video
>Why are people who very likely don't even play the games they collect, so obsessed with getting the cleanest image out, to the point they blow hundreds of dollars, do hours of modding, buy an expensive as FUCK PVM that looks nothing at all like how anyone remembers the games nor is it how the devs intended the games to look/be played, why?
Mentioned above. I do play on my old vidya.
If you have good contacts it doesn't cost that much to get RGB mods and I don't spend time modifying.
PVMeme display looks nice, if you're smart you can get them for free or cheap. I have a Sony and a JVC I spent $50 on one and got the other for free. Other people settle on consumer sets which can also be picked up for free.
>At that point why not just fucking emulate if you aren't going to respect the original hardware and it's limitations?
Some people like running on original hardware. Nothing wrong with wanting to get the best picture out of a console you love and letting it shine.

[Anonymous No.7255293]

>>7253802
I mean to be fair, scalpers are trying to even sell shitty old untested consoles for pretty high amounts these days. I agree though, flash carts/ode all the way, maybe $100 max per system for a good backup device.

[Anonymous No.7255395]

>>7250981

[Anonymous No.7255403]

>>7250981
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[Anonymous No.7255413]

>>7250981
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[Anonymous No.7255415]

>>7250981
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[Anonymous No.7255420]

>>7250981
And the reason you see that picture in paticular so much is because it showcases a technique old Japanese artists use to use to "add a 0.5 pixel"

[Anonymous No.7255434]

>>7249182
Though the ones that don't usually have a counterpart model that has the ability to output in rgb. adding rgb mods simply tap into what the console could output but don't have the proper circutry like other models to display. People usually do this cause faggots online think its a good idea to artificially inflate the price of the consoles so that the most cost effective way to get rgb is to modify it.

[Anonymous No.7255471]

>>7249059
Why does this trigger you so much? Get help anon. Who cares what other people do. God the people on this board.

[Anonymous No.7255480]

To each their own, I'm perfectly happy with a large consumer crt even with composite, but I respect if people want to go further

[Anonymous No.7255482]

>>7249059
Someone's salty they didn't have the foresight to buy a pvm when they were still affordable lmao

[Anonymous No.7255838]

>>7249059
S-video and component are cozy enough for older stuff.

[Anonymous No.7256420]

>>7254413
this thread isn't about games, it's about rgb autism. it's sad that someone would by a laughably small, professional quality monitor, then tune it to look like shit. pick any one of the three to poke fun at lmao.

[Anonymous No.7256434]

>>7249059
Who doesn't like clean image quality?

[Anonymous No.7256890]

>>7250828
being an judgemental douche with a soldering iron is such a bizarre persona to adopt

[Anonymous No.7258184]

i mean you are definitely retarded if you buy a pvm at market price in 2020 rather than just scooping a free CRT with component but apart from that, OP needs to simmer down and stop being a bitch

[Anonymous No.7258221]

I actually couldn’t find a mouse without RGB for the longest time so I had to fucking cave in and buy one so now I just have a semi decent laptop with this obnoxious fucking red and blue coloured mouse

[Anonymous No.7258853]

>>7256434
people who cant get it obvs