/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7248326]

There is nothing wrong with savestates and they don't make a normal playthrough less legitimate

[Anonymous No.7248335]

>>7248326
When I was a kid I had all the time in the world. I can still do a perfect run of Contra 3 to this day. It’s a fun but useless skill to have. If you don’t have a ton of free time, it’s perfectly reasonable to use save states. I never beat Zelda II as a kid. But I’m sure as shit now not gonna waste a weekend trying to master it.

[Anonymous No.7248359]

>>7248326
Who are you trying to convince, other people or yourself?

[Anonymous No.7248365]

>>7248326
Using save states is like fucking your wife with the neighbor's dick.

[Anonymous No.7248370]

>>7248326
Cope

[Anonymous No.7248398]

>There is nothing wrong with savestates and they don't make a normal playthrough less legitimate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2uyDqbA-Q

[Anonymous No.7248402]

>>7248326
>There is nothing wrong with savestates
yes
>they don't make a normal playthrough less legitimate
no

[Anonymous No.7248420]

>>7248335
>fun but useless skill
based adult response
I actually like the creature comforts they're putting in rereleases. Such as the 4x button in Final Fantasy. Or the embedded save points in MMZ.
Some of us don't want to turn it into a fucking second job. And if it's not for you you can always play on original hardware.

[Anonymous No.7248487]

>>7248326
>>7248326
There's nothing wrong with using them to practice or learn a section. Using them in a run or to cheese the game is cheating.

[Anonymous No.7248505]

>>7248420
based casual shitter

[Anonymous No.7248565]

>>7248326
>they don't make a normal playthrough less legitimate
And why does this matter to you?

[Anonymous No.7248575]

>>7248565
He wants upvotes from other posters on an anonymous shitposting board for blogging about how he cheats at 30 year old video games designed to be beaten by children. I think he's lost.

[Anonymous No.7248596]

>>7248326
It depends on how you use it, and when you do.

[Anonymous No.7248613]

>>7248326
>and they don't make a normal playthrough less legitimate
Yes, it does. The devs never programmed it into their game.

[Anonymous No.7248624]

>>7248505
>casual
>doesn't want to spend hours irl on virtual fetch quests
Suit yourself. But my time is worth more now than it was in my teens.

[Anonymous No.7248642]

>>7248326
why do you want our opinion on how you play your games? go find your dad and argue with him, jesus. when /vr/ first opened up in the nice spring months of 2013 it was a tranquil informational heaven type place, and as soon as summer hit i'm talking like clockwork it was in a state of disrepair. just trash all around with people constantly trying to bait and annoy each other.. i won't be happy until every single one of you eat the barrel of my sawed off shotgun

[Anonymous No.7248673]

>>7248326
Why can't retroarch make their rewind system work more like this?

[Anonymous No.7248724]

>>7248335
It's depressing as hell to read posts like this where people have lost passion for stuff they used to love.

[Anonymous No.7248737]

>>7248326
at some point, i completely stopped giving a shit. i'm not playing for any kind of leaderboards or anything. if i get stuck on something really hard, i'll scum right through it. what the fuck am i under arrest?

[Anonymous No.7248740]

>>7248624
>But my time is worth more now than it was in my teens.
And yet here you are posting on /vr/.

[Anonymous No.7248809]

>>7248335
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.7248824]

I feel like Doom 3 Nightmare requires save scumming to some extent. It seems like I am supposed to spend the majority of the game 25 hp and then soulcube during key moments when I will really need more hp lol.

[Anonymous No.7248827]

> I want games to be fun
> Noooo u must mUhStEr it through boring ass repetition or you lose GaYmEhR cReDiBeEliTaH

[Anonymous No.7248837]

>>7248359
>>7248370
>>7248402
>>7248505
Explain why glitches which skip 90% of content or give you end game power ups ruining the design of the game are fine but save states are not.

[Anonymous No.7248860]

>>7248642
cope seethe dilate

this is never changing

the old internet is dead now, embrace post modern retardation

[Anonymous No.7248873]

>>7248837
No one is mentioning glitches, retard.

[Anonymous No.7248891]

I played SMB1 recently with a friend who save states the fuck out of games. We both hadn't played the game since we were kids and wanted to race each other. I cleared the game in 2 hours while he couldn't beat the game even with the continue code. People who use save states will never get better because they use save states and think that everyone who doesn't takes as long as they take when it comes to beating games.

[Anonymous No.7248918]

“Savestates are bad y’all”

[Anonymous No.7248930]

>>7248918
based video game tourist

[Anonymous No.7248950]

>>7248837
They aren't. Neither are. You may have had fun and gotten what you needed but you didn't beat the game.

[Anonymous No.7248964]

>>7248326
Sure, if you use them exclusively as a bookmark so you can power down and come back later.

That is what you mean, right anon?

[Anonymous No.7248992]

>>7248326
Play however you want, don’t worry about trying to justify it to randos online. Both sides of the argument make valid points.

The anti save states
>on og hardware you had to do it in one go, if you get game over you start again because that’s how it was back in the day
valid and makes sense

The pro save states
>if I can clearly get to the part I’m having trouble with over and over, then what’s the point doing the parts I don’t have trouble with again just to get to the problem spot, why not just save once you get to the problem spot and start from there if you game over, I have other games I wanna get around to and don’t wanna spend all week on this
also valid also makes sense

in the end just enjoy the game and don’t worry about internet dick measuring with other anons, that’s gay

[Anonymous No.7248996]

>>7248335
fpwp
Zoomers have turned this place into /v/ 2

[Anonymous No.7249000]

>>7248837
stop listening to the voices in your head

[Anonymous No.7249008]

>>7248724
No it’s not that, that’s just the sick joke life plays on you.

Be kid:
>have all the time in the world (especially during summer break)
>have no money so you just master the few games you have

Be adult:
>have money to buy all the games you want
>have no time because work and family and stuff to do around the house

it’s a twisted fate

[Anonymous No.7249016]

>>7248918
>posts soijak
Boomers win.

[Anonymous No.7249018]

>>7249008
if you don't have time to play video games you should probably find another hobby. You can cheat when you play a game but don't say you actually beat it.

[Anonymous No.7249023]

>>7248873
>>7249000
Yeah well I am now. Too afraid to answer the question?

[Anonymous No.7249030]

>>7248891
>SMB1
>I cleared the game in 2 hours
What the fuck? Should take around 10mins Anon.

[Anonymous No.7249304]

>>7249023
literally nobody says using glitches to bypass the game on your first playthrough is legit. Beating a game that's outside the game's intended ruleset isn't legit. In fact, in a well designed game, it would be very difficult for a new player to come across game breaking glitches on their first run.

[Anonymous No.7249327]

>>7249304
>In fact, in a well designed game, it would be very difficult for a new player to come across game breaking glitches on their first run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI3YwH7rk8s

This isn't difficult to figure out. Guess I will add Super Metroid to poorly designed games.

[Anonymous No.7249349]

>>7248326
>There is nothing wrong with savestates
Yes there is
>and they don't make a normal playthrough less legitimate
Yes they do

Savestates dilute one of the elements that make classic games so much better than disposable trash like Meat Boy. In a good classic game, each run feels meaningful; having to start from the beginning of a level or the beginning of the game gives playing it a gravity and a intensity that modern soulless die-and-instant-retry games lack

Do whatever you want, but you're wrong and you're only fucking yourself

[Anonymous No.7249370]

>>7249349
>modern soulless die-and-instant-retry games lack
I hate this board for recommending me Monster Boy.

[Anonymous No.7249381]

>>7249327
wow that's exactly the same as using save states to no-death a game on the first try

[Anonymous No.7249389]

>>7248335
>>7248420
>based adult response
No, I'm an adult working full time and in a serious relationship that takes up most of the rest of my time, but if I ever do have time to play a game I'm sure as hell going to play the real thing and not some neutered emulated abomination on a garbage LCD. The less time I have the more I have to make the best of whenever I get to play a game. I'd rather not play video games at all and just keep the memories than waste my time on trash

And it has nothing to do with feeling like I'm accomplishing something, or working on a useful or impressive skill. When I play a classic game it's because the experience itself and the medium itself is worthwhile

[Anonymous No.7249393]

>>7249381
Its going against the games design isn't it? If collecting power ups that makes the rest of the game a cake walk is fair play then come out and say it.

[Anonymous No.7249563]

>>7249349
>meat boy is disposable
Harsh. I thought it was fun, anyway. Maybe the NewGroundsy, reddity stuff hasn't aged so well, and I think games like Celeste have done it better, it's far from trash. I get it, it's no NES game, but those who like it are almost exclusively fans of NES games. Hand it to someone into modern/zoomer/exclusively narrative focused games and they will reject it.

[Anonymous No.7249571]

>>7249563
>Celeste
I was just about to buy this after learning Celeste was trans.

[Anonymous No.7249595]

>>7248827
Judging by OPs post and many others in the thread it's only the quicksavers that are concerned about their gamer cred. They're a very insecure bunch.

[Anonymous No.7249634]

Savestates are good for practice and RPGs.

I would never think I've legitimately beaten an arcade style game with savestates.

[Anonymous No.7250013]

>>7248335
That's a common sentiment but it weirds me out a bit because it implies that spending lots of time on not-fun gameplay makes sense if you have more free time.
If it's a waste to master Zelda II (i.e. the process isn't enjoyable and/or you'd regret having done it), then it's a waste regardless of how much free time you have. Life's short, after all.

[Anonymous No.7250132]

>>7248326
It's not a normal playthrough if you use savestates.

the one time I used savestates to help clear a game it was making a save at 6-1 on Ninja Gaiden because dying on the final boss (6-4) sends you back to fucking 5-1 which is bullshit.

Even then that was only my first time playing, I eventually went back and beat it without savestates.

[Anonymous No.7250290]

>>7250013
It's funny that you bring up Zelda II. I was playing a patched rom earlier that adds a bunch of shit like new sprites and generally making it easier to get XP. Then I got a game over and when you continue, you still start out in the same room you were in. It kind of made me feel like a shitter, but at the same time is there really much to be hained from having to backtrack all the way from the fucking beginning of the game? I think it'd probably be better to start at the beginning of the temple you're in or whatever, but I get that they're trying to remove some of the tedium.

[Anonymous No.7250318]

>>7248335
>Don't have the time to play video games.
Buy a PS4, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.7250321]

>>7248326
what shit version of the game is that? Looks like total shit? Maybe a crt filter can fix it. But that's definitely not the snes version. Looks more like an gameboy color abomination...

[Anonymous No.7250435]

>>7248326
It really depends how one uses it.
I usually try to stick to save stating at the start or end of the levels unless it is a scenario where it is too much hassle to repeat it again and again. Same with boss battles.

[Anonymous No.7250465]

>>7250013
>t because it implies that spending lots of time on not-fun gameplay makes sense if you have more free time
What's wrong with that idea? It makes sense

[Anonymous No.7250487]

>>7248335
This kills the boomer

[Anonymous No.7250492]

>>7248724
>its depressing that grown-ass adults with jobs and families can't play with children's toys for 8 hours a day

[Anonymous No.7250496]

>>7248891
did he suck your dick afterwards? I don't remember reading about your accomplishments in the paper, anon

[Anonymous No.7250506]

>>7249327
>going back and forth through a random door 6 times
nobody would do this
>wall jumping
i've beaten this game twice and can barely wall jump reliably

[Anonymous No.7250512]

I use them if available, but I treat them like a practice mode. My goal would always be to do a no continue run or something similar.

Like to beat Sonic 2's final bosses I had to make a safety net savestate and thank goodness I did that. I could have tediously tried and lost and had to restart the game, but even with saves it took me like an hour and a half of that fight alone to finally figure out a strat.

Without savestates that would have easily taken days for what ends up being the same result--me getting better at the game.

[Anonymous No.7250513]

>>7249389
cope

[Anonymous No.7250550]

>>7250290
>is there really much to be hained from having to backtrack all the way from the fucking beginning of the game?
Yes

[Anonymous No.7250559]

>>7250492
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.7250571]

>>7250512
You're a pathetic embarrassment. Figure out a strat to kill yourself now

[Anonymous No.7250587]

>nooo other people don't waste as much time on games as me noooo

[Anonymous No.7250625]

>>7250492
If they have a family they did it to themselves but the ideal always was 8 hours of work, 8 hours of sleep and 8 hours of leisure/family

[Anonymous No.7250636]

>>7250587
>playing games
>not wasting time
Retard.

[Anonymous No.7250740]

>>7250506
>nobody would do this
I'm not the only one who noticed when morphing into ball mode you would move slightly faster at times. No one used the internet when Super Metroid launched and kids were able to figure it out.

Same with morph ball bomb jumping. I am positive you would have attempted this. It's not something I was able to do reliably.

[Anonymous No.7250830]

>>7250492
Remember when 4chan was all about embracing your inner neckbeard and disregarding normalniggers, not a bunch of fucking losers sitting around lamenting how they didn't bang the prom queen in high school?

Either follow through with your suicidal thoughts or find another site to shit up faggot, either way you don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.7250850]

>>7248326
Savestates are not retro

[Anonymous No.7250864]

>>7248326
Save states are great for games with a password system. Which keys face it, didn't have the budget for battery back up.

[Anonymous No.7250897]

>>7250625
>8 hours of work, 8 hours of sleep and 8 hours of leisure/family
Lol more like 30 minutes travel, 8 hours work, 30 minutes travel, 1 hour at the store, 1 hour prepping dinner, 30 minutes eating, 30 minutes cleaning dishes and cookware, 30 minutes to put away laundry and prep clothing for tomorrow, 30 minutes to shave shower and brush teeth. Hope you don't mind spending more time on a shit too. Hope you didn't forget to prep breakfast.

Anyone is lucky to have 1 or 2 leasure hours a day because work and tangentially related activities absorb
all free time.

[Anonymous No.7250935]

>>7250465
Why would you play games that aren't fun instead of ones that are just because you have more game time per day?

[Anonymous No.7250957]

>>7248326
The only time I use savestates is at the beginning of the level instead of killing myself when I die so I get all my lives back

[Anonymous No.7250963]

>>7248326
You can play games however you want. But using savestates is cheating, I will not take part in your delusions tranny. Your playthrough was not legitimate and you will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.7251163]

>>7248326
Depends on the game. If it's a quarter-eating bullshit game like Contra savestates are fine, if it's actually something well balanced like Yoshi's Island, you're a shitter.

[Anonymous No.7251180]

>>7251163
I can 1cc Contra but the red coins in Yoshi's Island are artificial difficulty, it aged really badly

[Anonymous No.7251181]

>>7251163
Delusional

[Anonymous No.7251739]

>>7251163
This, specially if the game has cheap deads

[Anonymous No.7251741]

>>7248326
7/10 troll, will get many angry replies.
Good job, faggot.

[Anonymous No.7251764]

>>7249389
Thanks for the blog post. We will enjoy older titles in current year how we please.

[Anonymous No.7251895]

>>7251180
>artifical difficulty
>it aged really badly

I wish I could hurt you with my hatred.

[Anonymous No.7251903]

I think it's fine if people save state at the start of a level. I don't think it's fine to save state during boss fights or any other difficult moment as a crutch.If you're enjoying the game either way more power to you I guess.

[Anonymous No.7251904]

>>7249008
Not having times for video games just means you don't value it as your main hobby anymore.

[Anonymous No.7251930]

>>7251764
embarrassing pleb

[Anonymous No.7251961]

>>7248335
FPBP.

[Anonymous No.7252087]

>>7251930
>knows how to intelligently structure use of time around personal interests
enjoy the kiddy pool

[Anonymous No.7252089]

>>7250830
i didn't bang the prom queen but I did finger the junior attendant, have sex incel, seethe cope dilate

[Anonymous No.7252094]

>>7250625
yeah and real communism has never been tried. go help your mom with the dishes zoomie

[Anonymous No.7252134]

What's the point? Unless it's one bullshit section of the game you're clearly not enjoying the game if you're just going to cheat through it. When even continue playing it?

[Anonymous No.7252358]

I'll never understand the mindset behind people who use save states to get past hard parts. It just makes things a breeze, like an invincibility cheat. Hell why stop there, just load someone's save of the ending and call it a day. Just seems to take all the fun out of it.

[Anonymous No.7252449]

>>7252358
It's not fun to do the easy parts again

[Anonymous No.7252480]

>>7252449
Stop sucking at the game then or take a break. I can beat Contra without continues, if the easier sections weren't still fun then I wouldn't bother replaying it. It's so obvious that people that save state are terrified at the thought of being exposed as someone who doesn't like any form of challenge whatsoever. Just watch a lets play for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.7252548]

>>7252480
>stop sucking
I do, because I go immediately to the part I'm having trouble with

[Anonymous No.7252638]

>>7252548
save state spamming the fuck out of the part you are having trouble with every time you get even the smallest amount of progress does not make you stop sucking. Stop kidding yourself and watch a lets play.

[Anonymous No.7252646]

>>7252638
Yes it does

[Anonymous No.7252649]

>>7252638
yeah nope
just cope

[Anonymous No.7252726]

>>7252649
cope seethe dilate tranny nigger im savestarting and you cant stop me go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.7252747]

>>7251163
>>7251180
>>7251739
zoom zooms literally cannot think without buzzwords

[Anonymous No.7252791]

>>7252747
Cheap deads are a thing

[Anonymous No.7252832]

>>7250897
wtf get your shit together retard

[Anonymous No.7252834]

>>7249327
You would have to know you can preserve momentum in morphball by morphing at the exact moment you land. To say people can figure this out when they are new to the game is completely asinine

[Anonymous No.7252868]

>>7252834
Nah it's pretty easy to figure out when you're fucking around in the game like a kid would.

[Anonymous No.7253213]

>>7248837
Speedrunning is not a legitimate form of play.

[Anonymous No.7253221]

>>7252868
>when you're fucking a kid like a game would

[Anonymous No.7253664]

>>7250625
>the ideal
is not the reality and just some made up bullshit

[Anonymous No.7253668]

>>7248326
I mean, it's just a video game so it really doesn't matter that much but you're clearly wrong.

[Anonymous No.7253690]

>>7252868
>doing something in a specific pattern is the same as fucking around in the game like a kid would
I bet only 1 out of 10 kids get it right and it's the extremely autistic one

[Anonymous No.7253731]

just use savestates and then pretend online that you don't. best of both worlds

[Anonymous No.7253770]

>>7253731
Based

[Anonymous No.7253783]

>>7249349
arcade games are just shitty and unfinished versions of the later castlevania/metroid games which have "savestates"
the game is too dumb to loop around itself so genius developer starts you over at the beginning with nothing
it was a technical limitation on top of being a mental one at the time but you will still find some sad sucker on a basket weaving forum 30 years later defending it

>having to start from the beginning
>each run feels meaningful
>gives playing it a gravity and a intensity
calm down Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.7253853]

>>7253783
based
>your time as a teenager was worth $4 an hour
>your time as an adult is worth $29 an hour (or whatever)
>you should spend it the same way though because MUH TRU PASSION
get bent

[Anonymous No.7253890]

>>7252834
>You would have to know you can preserve momentum in morphball by morphing at the exact moment you land.
By just playing the game you should notice moving quickly in morph ball from time to time.

[Anonymous No.7254260]

all you muh so busy faggots
i'm 33 and grind my way through many games with a wife and 3 kids. if it sucks enough I just don't ever pick it up again. save stating your way through a game it just dulling your skills. Play a good shmup or short action game for 15-20 minutes everyday and I guarantee you will be better at every game you play in every genre. games should be fun but just watch that shit on youtube or twitch or whatever the fuck idiots watch video games on if you're going to flash back to 2 seconds ago when you fuck up you crusty old, dim fucks.

[Anonymous No.7254278]

>>7254260
You should spend more time with your kids Anon. Your wife will leave you if you keep doing shit like this publicly.

[Anonymous No.7254627]

>savestates have a chance to bug out the game, resulting in an event not triggering late in the game

[Anonymous No.7254629]

>>7248326
filtered

[Anonymous No.7254797]

>>7248326
I just play games to have fun; I'm motivated to see what they have to offer, how to play them, and then move onto another title. Rarely will I play to completion, unless it's an arcade game. For fighting games, I will format and print little movelists and try each character and get to see all the cool special moves. Everything else, I just play to see what I will discover next, the next level, mook, boss, figure out how the weapon system works etc.

Savestates are very useful for that.

Savestates are also useful for practicing sections that I find difficult; For SHMUPs, I will try to beat a level without dying, when successful, I will save. If I die, I continue to play normally to Game Over, and on my next run, I load my save and try to do another 'NOMISS' level.

I played through all the OG Megamens on Nesticle, I save scummed the fuck out of those games.

I also save scummed Nethack, which I think where the term originated, using two batch files, SAVE.BAT and RESTORE.BAT. Got pretty far sometimes, but never ascended. Beating up enemies with a cockatrice was fun.

I have played a lot of different vidya over my life time; I rarely got exceptionally good at any of them. The first game I mastered was Defender for the Atari 2600, I could play endlessly and keep getting more and more lives -- at that point, I lost interest. I was 5 or so.

[Anonymous No.7254805]

>>7248326

If the programmers wanted you to be able to save every two seconds cause you're a pussy, they would have included it. This is the shit boomers accuse our generation of.

[Anonymous No.7254829]

>>7254797
Today, I watch replays on YouTube and am amazed how good some people are at video games... like the Replay Burner playthroughs of Final Fight, such a basic game with tiny moveset, but those guys figured out all these strategies like they developed their own Final Fight Fu with backward jumping down attacks, combo resets, using weapon pickup to duck Sodom's rush etc. that make me realize how pedestrian my way of playing FF was. Back in the day, I just read the marquee and used the Combo into back throw a lot. Also a chibi Final Fight comic strip with hints made the rounds of UK gaming magazines at the time, that's how I knew to stand "above" or "below" Sodom when he got up after a knockdown and was invulnerable and preparing to rush you.

Last year, I played Final Fight 2 over and over and realized the advantage of NOT breaking the barrels, but using them as turnbuckles and back protection to troll the AI, trying to find strategies like that for very simple games... it's comfy.

[Anonymous No.7254984]

>>7248370
>>7248860
>>7250513
>>7252649
>>7252726
OP, you need medical assistance. Take a break from old games, it's too much for you to handle.

[Anonymous No.7255083]

>>7254278
I can only wish

[Anonymous No.7255086]

save states are a tool
use them to save time, not circumvent challenges