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7245616 No.7245616 [Reply] [Original]

The 1.0 version of the English translation patch for the Sega Saturn version of Symphony of the Night has released. There is a link to it here:

https://segaxtreme.net/threads/sega-saturn-26th-anniversary-game-competition.24626/

I'm currently playing it now, I haven't gotten very far in, but so far everything it working fine. I've played the shit out of this game on the PS1 and PSP, so it'll be nice to finally be able to check out the Saturn exclusive areas/items without having to fumble through menus and items lists in moon language.

Has anyone else fired it up yet?

>> No.7245623

>>7245616
>Has anyone else fired it up yet?
Yes and like every other time I decided to give this butchered port a second chance I was immediately reminded WHY I never play it.

>> No.7245626

>>7245616
Wow, neat. I've just finished SotN for the first time in the PSX. Been thinking about replaying as Richter and Maria.

>> No.7245631

>>7245623
Outside of some slowdown and weird transparency bullshit I haven't had any problems with it. Still though, the fact that Konami rushed the shit out of it really sucks.

>>7245626
The nice thing about the Saturn version is you can choose to play as Alucard, Richter, or Maria from the start, without having to beat the game.

>> No.7245638

>>7245616
holy shit that box art is insane

>> No.7245640

>>7245631
>Outside of some slowdown and weird transparency bullshit I haven't had any problems with it
The fact is the Saturn port is inferior in every single way to the PSX version. Sure the game is still *playable*, but so much has been lost in the transition that it's not even worth it anymore. SOTN on Saturn is dingy and sluggish, and doesn't have enough new content to justify sacrificing the visual splendor of the original.

This was a port of mercy for Japs without a PSX, and nothing more.

>> No.7245643

>>7245640
The boost relic and third hand make it worthwhile alone, not even counting the new areas.

I don't know what Sega employee hurt you, but it's time to let it go, anon. It's been 20 years.

>> No.7245653

>>7245616
I played thought the 4MB ram hack on my jap saturn, it made the game just fast enough to play through without getting frustrated.

>> No.7245657

>>7245643
What? Don't try to spin this as console fanboyism on my part. As a matter of fact the only thing that could possibly motivate anyone to play this garbage port longer than 10 minutes IS console fanboyism, for the Saturn. Anon, every. single. special effect has been scaled down on the Saturn version of the game. Literally every single one. It has egregious slowdown, longer load times, MORE load times, a load time to access the fucking map, and the graphics are mangled to fit the Saturn's 320x240 resolution. There is no universe you could ever spin the Saturn version as being adequate, let alone superior to the PSX version.

>> No.7245658 [DELETED] 

snoys on suicide watch!

>> No.7245660

>>7245653
That was placebo because the 4mb cart does absolutely nothing for this game, it's not supported.

>> No.7245662

>>7245616
i'm not making a forum account to download your shitty rom hack, get fucked loser

>> No.7245663

>>7245657
Dude, fuck off.

>>7245660
You didn't read the guy's post, the 4MB RAM hack that was created loads the menu and map to the RAM cart, meaning they load instantly instead of having to wait a couple of seconds.

Hopefully at some point the 4MB hack and the English patched versions can be combined.

>> No.7245664

>>7245662
It's not my hack. You can find pre-patched images of the game online, I just didn't want to link one just to have some janny nuke the thread.

>> No.7245670
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7245670

>>7245660
i own the original Saturn game and the 4mb ram cart hack was noticeably faster than the original, I played through the entire game on real hardware.

>> No.7245673

>>7245640
>fact

Fact: the extra content largely makes up for the few issues. I never even experienced any slowdown playing it emulated.

>> No.7245679

>>7245670
What did you pay for it?

>> No.7245686
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7245686

>>7245670
based and real-hardware pilled
>don't believe their lies

>> No.7245690

>>7245679
60 bucks or so, in akihabara

>> No.7245696

>>7245616

Has this been placed on romhacking.net yet?

>> No.7245701

>>7245673
the slowdown only happens on real hardware

>> No.7245708

>>7245690
Nice

>>7245686
Also nice. I'm playing on a Jap Saturn with a MODE. It lowers the loadtimes a little since you don't have seek times like you would with an optical disc, but sadly the BUS speed from the Saturn's drive is only so fast, so it doesn't lower it the same way OPL on a PS2 hard drive does.

>> No.7245714

>>7245696
I don't know, I got a pre-patched version from an ODE discord server, I only linked that one for people's convenience.

>> No.7245771

>>7245686
What are the serial pins on the top of the Action Replay used for? I got one a few years ago but mine doesn't have the serial connector on top

>> No.7245773

>>7245616
Last time I tried this it crashed ssf and RA is it less jank now?

>> No.7245778

>>7245657
>There is no universe you could ever spin the Saturn version as being adequate
The universe where you actually play the game instead of sperging out on the internet over nothing

>> No.7245779

>>7245616
more like Symphony of the Cuck

>> No.7245782

>>7245773
It works on actual Saturn hardware, that's all I can tell you.

>> No.7245791

>>7245771
parallel port connection to PC, it's ancient tech and not useful today

>> No.7245797

>>7245714
>>7245708
>ode

Might as well emulate fags

>> No.7245805

>>7245797
What the hell does that even mean? Are you stupid? Do you even know what an ODE is?

>> No.7245810

I haven't played this in a decade or so

>> No.7245816

>>7245805
Yes

And if youre not playing physical games on your console you might as well not use a console

Stop hoarding consoles for actual collectors flashcartfags

>> No.7245819

>>7245816
You just made the dumbest post of 2021, and it's January second.

Pat yourself on the back.

>> No.7245824

>>7245819
Tbh i kind of get where hes coming from even if his stance on it is retarded

Odes are great but i wish there was a way to have both an ode/flashcart and a way to still play physical games in my console as well

Its great a way to keep old consoles running exists but i dread the day i cant play my actual collection anymore

>> No.7245840

>>7245824
Aside from the ODEs for the 3DO and the PS1 (and probably other consoles I can't think off) most ODEs are plug and play, meaning that you can always just put the disc drive back and go back to physical media.
Or you could be like me, buy a separate console to put an ODE in.

>> No.7245856

>>7245840
Oh really? I didnt know they were that easy to swap in and out

Will keep it in mind if i ever need one

>> No.7245865
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7245865

>>7245616

saturn bros...

>> No.7245869

I played through the 4MB patch not long after it came out on real hardware and didn't think it was too terrible. I've been wanting to check out the translation, but I was under the impression there were still a few kinks they're working out.

>>7245824
Could always shell out the $250 for the Satiator.

>> No.7245880

>>7245869
Oh damn that satiator sounds nice

>> No.7245883

>>7245869

The 4MB patch has been tested. It has some effect but not massive. My guess is that the actual game engine needs to be significantly reworked to actually make use of the extra RAM while the patch just adds it to the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubuq6KKxj0

>> No.7245901

>>7245616
Just play the psp version if you want the extras, the Saturn version is dogshit to play

>> No.7245907

>>7245901

It has playable Maria but not any of the other extras. The Saturn extras are a mixed bag. The two new areas are rushed and obviously lower quality with half-assed cover of old music. The sprite work is especially bad for many of the enemies. Ohers look okay but tonally are too cartoony and dont' fit in.

Then there's a lot of cool features and items that help the game a lot. There's a "third hand" for equippable items so you no longer have to unequip something to use a potion. Then you have sprint shoes to run faster. These are major "quality of life" improvements to the game. Then you have some sorta okay weapons and armors.

>> No.7245909

>>7245907
And of course the controller which makes complex d-pad moves easier to pull off

>> No.7245983

>>7245907
the new dagger and shield are awesome

>> No.7245990

>>7245883
Games have to be coded around using the RAM cartridges.

>> No.7245991

>>7245714
>ODE discord server
link

>> No.7246006

>>7245991
S8EfYEB

>> No.7246047

>>7245616
Well it's about time the version with the godly Maria boss fight and sucky everything else got fan-translated, I'm glad Saturn is getting more projects. Is this an actual fan-translation effort or was the text lifted from one of the existing scripts (official PSX or PSP localization or Gemini retranslation)?

>> No.7246052

>>7246047
It's the PS1 script (Miserable pile of secrets, etc etc)

>> No.7246057

>>7246047
>>7246052
It's important to note that the main benefit to the English translation is the items and relics, since pretty much everyone has played sotn a million times by now.

>> No.7246236

>>7246057
Now the same script you've read a million times is inserted in the middle of distracting voice acting that barelt matches what it says.

I'll take raw over dubtitles, thanks.

>> No.7246597

I dream of the day when they make a new SotN that combines everything from the three major releases (PS1, Saturn, PSP) and streamlines it into true perfection.

Alas, only a dream.

>> No.7246775

>>7245993
The only shit stain here is this shit stain of a port

>> No.7246813
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7246813

That cover art is simply beautiful.
>what we got in the US

>> No.7246963

>>7245883
You can get rid of all loading for the ps1 version in retroarch. Never liked the saturn version. The new areas looked rushed and look out of place with the other graphics. I never cared about Richter mode or the other gimicks so that's another reason not to go for Saturn.

>> No.7247008

>>7245883
>9 second load to a new area even after the load hallway

Why do people play this awful version again?

>> No.7247018

Cool, kind of wish there were some breakdowns of the Saturn translation process.
From identifying the text and text pointers, text commands, commands on which sectors to read, DRM-file hashing issues etc.
There's a lot of really cool JP-only Saturn games out there but a real dearth on what goes into translating one. (and romhackers mostly seem to be interested in stuff that has ports like the Saturn's superior version of Grandia)

>> No.7247034

>make an account or give us your info
Fuck that. Post a direct link to the download.

>> No.7247069

>>7245616
I always found it ironic that the Saturn, who's only saving grace was that it supposedly handled 2D games better than PS1, played the best 2D game of the generation so horribly worse than the PS1 that it's almost unplayable and Konami didn't even bother (dare?) release it outside of Japan.

WTF went wrong? This should have been a showcase for the Saturn, heck it even started out as a Sega 32x game!

>> No.7247079

>>7247069
It got the third-rate branch of Konami's programmers instead of their top guys in Tokyo, that's what went wrong.

>> No.7247106

>>7247079
KCE Nagoya, who's only responsibility was making sports games for konami

>> No.7247154

>>7245616
Is this release compatibly with 4mb hack?

>> No.7247161

The Saturn version is ridiculously trashy, and the new content is actually god-awful. Back when SotN was the only metroidvania around, curiosity alone made playing the Saturn version worth it, but today one has Castlevanias and Castlevania-inspired metroidvanias out the fucking ass, so there's no point to ever bother with the travesty that is the Saturn port.

>> No.7247537

>>7247154
The 4mb hack does nothing, it is only placebo

>> No.7247549

>>7247537

It's been testing and it does something it's just mild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubuq6KKxj0

>> No.7247589

>>7247549
>>7247537
It only improves loading times for bringing up the Menu and Map screens. Everything else is placebo. In fact in some cases the load times are worse than the unpatched version.

>> No.7247658

>>7245673
Most of the extra content sucks. Maria is fun for like ten minutes then the novelty wears off.

>> No.7247706

>>7247537
>>7247549
>>7247589
It works. Map and menu is better with.
Question is: can it be combined with english patch?

>> No.7247847

>>7245778
Dude you are the sperggout, not him.

>> No.7248017

>>7247658
Those grapes sure are sour, anon.

>> No.7248249

>>7247706
>>7247706
>It works. Map and menu is better with.
That part yes, but anyone telling you anything else is improved is full of it. Any other improvements are just placebo.
>can it be combined with english patch?
No. The 4MB patch completely screws around with the file order, changes different things, and is completely incompatible with the Translation patch.

Honestly the 4MB patch is a hideous mess of a hack and the person doing the translation patch has stated he has no plans to combine the two.

>> No.7248610

>>7248249
>Honestly the 4MB patch is a hideous mess of a hack and the person doing the translation patch has stated he has no plans to combine the two.

It's by a chinese hacker so that's to be expected. I really wish the Chinese would stop living in their own little world and their little forums and start collaborating more. You'll even see them take free open source software, make their own version, then make their version closed source.

>> No.7249764

>>7248249
>Honestly the 4MB patch is a hideous mess of a hack and the person doing the translation patch has stated he has no plans to combine the two.
Thank you for explaining. That's sad.
I guess, if I want to satisfy my Saturn's fanboism then I should stop at just english release.

>> No.7249787

>>7245653
>>7245660
N64 port one day

>> No.7249798

>>7245616
how are the loading times?

>> No.7250021

>>7247847
>no u

>> No.7250089

>>7245865
Igarashi is a major fucking faggot who made a career off the back of someone else's ideas

>> No.7250186

>>7250089
explain.

>> No.7250230

>>7246813
This is perfect fit for US-American market. US-Americans mostly have no sense for beauty and prefer this style over european or japanese style.

>> No.7250748

>>7249798
They're longer than the PS1 version, but as long as you're not an ADD-riddled zoomer who can't go ten seconds without constant stimulation you'll be alright.

>> No.7250817

>>7245643
>The boost relic and third hand make it worthwhile alone,
By the time you get the boots the player should have learned faster methods of movement, not to mention back-dashing (with shield if you really played with the controls) is still faster. And why does Alucard have a third hand? He should get that checked out.
>not even counting the new areas.
That Bloody Tears remix is pretty good but what's not good is that the developers forgot to adjust the map completion percentage required to get the best ending.

>> No.7250852

>>7250089
seethe

>> No.7250861

>>7250817
cope harder

>> No.7250876

>>7248017
That meme doesn't work when I own a Saturn with a MODE you dumb butt.

>> No.7250878

>>7250861
No argument? Okay then.

>> No.7250889

>>7250878
No you seething PS1 Sonygger

>> No.7250948
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7250948

>>7250817
Well you see, the hand is his chadly penis, if you can't see that you are clearly seething.

>> No.7250997

>>7250876
I call bullshit. Post a picture or kill yourself. No other options.

>> No.7251105

>>7248610
The Chinese are very strange culturally. They seem to have this hyper cynical dog-eat-dog worldview where if you aren't doing the screwing then you're getting screwed. It causes them to do things like not wait in lines and bum rush buffets. It makes open collaboration tough because they won't let their guard down. Dictatorships will do that to you though.

>> No.7251126

>>7247106
They did a good job porting Vandal Hearts to the Saturn. And there they actually did make some improvements. Though you have to ignore the hilariously shitty FMVs they tacked onto the beginning and ending.

>> No.7251129

>>7250948
We now know for a fact that Alucard is a bottom, anon.

>> No.7251139
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7251139

>>7250997
Here faggot enjoy my cheap Korean CRT while you're at it.

>> No.7251213

>>7251139
Post your picture right, I can't read it if it's fucking sideways you idiot

>> No.7251252

OT: What's better? MODE or Satiator. I was a backer for the later and now I'm at front of the cue, able to order one.

>> No.7251260

>>7250186
He wasn't even the director or producer of SOTN. He was the bitch that would get the director some coffee and just so happened to throw in the idea of RPG elements. That's literally it. Since then he's been rehashing someone else's idea for years.

>> No.7251281

>>7251252
Right now? MODE for sure. Satiator is having compatibility problems with a shitload of games.

It may get fixed in the future, it may not, who knows - but MODE has 100% compatibility right now.

>> No.7251349

>>7251260
This is literally every gaming "icon" with the possible exception of Ed Boon. Either they snatched control of a franchise that was already established back in the day, or they created the franchise but now act more like a figurehead spokesman rather than the main designer.

>> No.7251364

>>7251281
>MODE
easy installation or does it require soldering?
grey JP model 1 btw

>> No.7251378

>>7251260
Often it's more beneficial for a company or franchise to have a figurehead or someone identifiable(not necessarily relatable)

>> No.7251389

>>7251213
So fucking download it and load it up on mspaint you whiny bitch.

>> No.7251452

>>7251281
>MODE has 100% compatibility right now.
Not really, there's bugs currently being worked out with certain translation patches that work on a real system on a burned disc, but fail spectacularly on MODE.

MODE's menu also doesn't clean up after itself before loading a game. So it leaves shit in RAM that can cause problems in some games.

>> No.7251471

Commentor from several weeks ago told you. Fags it'd release

>> No.7251480

>>7245673
The additional content is horrible. It makes the game worse, not better.

>> No.7251514

>>7251480
The added music is pretty good, and Maria should have at least been a boss fight in the PlayStation version.

>> No.7251523

>>7251364
It's not about the soldering as to why people don't buy it.. You see they retail at 130 minimum

>> No.7251573

>>7251364
Mode doesn't require soldering. You do have to disassemble your entire machine, but as long as you're not a retard and pay attention to the instructions you should be fine.

>>7251523
ESL hands typed this post

>> No.7251626

>>7251480
I..kind of unironically like the Cursed Prison. Not as the level so much as the idea for a shortcut.

>> No.7251638

>>7251626
I can agree with this. It makes that one zig zag area of the marble gallery actually useful for something. The underground garden would have also been better had it actually lead somewhere.

>> No.7251645
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7251645

>>7251573
Nah one of these guys

>> No.7251651

>>7251452
The issues it has with translation patches are shared with all ODEs, and they're caused by hack translators only testing their releases in emulators and not on real hardware. This just happened with the latest Lunar English patch as well.

>> No.7251676

>>7251651
Emulator only patches are one thing but if a burned disc works then that's a real incompatibility issue.

>> No.7251684

>>7251514
Maria was supposed to be possessed by Shaft and fought as an alternative to Richter, which makes more sense as to why she didn't try saving him herself. It's out-of-character for her to fight Alucard when/where she does in the Saturn/PSP version. Really, the music is the only truly superb thing in the Saturn version, and it should have been brought back in the PSP version as replacements for some overused tracks like Finale Toccata in a few areas. In short, you can have your Maria, but don't mess with my jams.

>> No.7251774
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7251774

>>7251638
If the puddle of water in the PSX version is any indication, it was most probably intended to lead into the Underground Caverns.

>> No.7251790

>>7251651
The Lunar patch was tested on a real hardware with a burned disc and works. Try again.

>> No.7251849
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7251849

>>7251774
Or the other way around, given the trapdoor object only opens up after being hit from below on PS1. Actually it makes a ton of sense this way. Look at the pic carefully: the Saturn version made the path longer so it wouldn't overlap into a new area. For PS1, it was probably supposed to be a tunnel leading to that square of the caverns that it's aligned with, but the developers probably thought it would be more prudent to move the exit further into the castle entrance, or they didn't think the design was interesting enough.

>> No.7251938

>>7251774
>>7251849
And so the glitched save room was a hastily-replaced loading room. I think those rooms between the entrance area and caverns could have easily fit there too, supporting the theory that it was just moved areas and modified. I like the trapdoor exit better than the merman room though since you don't have to backtrack to get the squares in the starting room if you already have bat form.

>> No.7251957

when will folks stop holding the saturn version on such a high pedestal

>> No.7252025
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7252025

Just set it all up. Worth my lurking on the dev discord Knightofdragons on

>> No.7252128

>>7251480
Shut up Sonygger

>> No.7252131

>>7251938
If that was the plan they probably removed it because it was redundant. Assuming the life max up was always there as a tease, once you obtain it by coming out of the waterway, a second, slightly further away exit serves no purpose. They just happened to rush the game out before removing the hatch. If that area needed anything though, it could have used a teleporter.

>> No.7252160

>>7250089
correct

>> No.7252175

>>7250089
>t. nobody

>> No.7252182

>>7246813
What sucks is this isn't even a bad boxart. It's just stacked up against the artwork of a legend which just kills it. It should've been the inlay or something

>> No.7252206

>>7252131
That's if the trapdoor and Merman room passages existed simultanfously, and the latter didn't just replace the former.

>> No.7252257

>>7252206
Yeah, the alternative is they switched the exit to the merman room specifically to tease the life up item and silently teach the player that blocked passages can be opened up later on and items will sometimes be out of reach. Much more effective teaching tool than a non-descript closed hatch that's easy to miss right when you first gain control.

>> No.7252876

>>7251105

I think it's rapid modernization. These people's parents were peasants a generation ago and the Chinese people have went through extreme hardships for the last century. They still haven't transitioned into a let your guard down co-operative mindset that a lot of middle class people in developed nations have.

Some good news, is that since 2000 there's been a lot of Chinese forums scanning Chinese and Japanese magazines. All the mags are on their own sites nad their own forums and you can't even see the links unless you join. Fairly standard for closed world Chinese forums. Now one of them has decided to put his entire scanning collection on archive for everyone to enjoy. It's a fantastic first step and I hope others follow.

http://www.endlessfight.org/forum/viewthread.php?tid=13190

>> No.7252916

>>7251129
So was this ever eluded to in the games or did the Castlevania anime make Alucard a fag for no reason? Shit was weird

>> No.7252929

>>7251260
this doesnt surpise me. Same with Kojima and other jerks. Theres literally nothing in this world that can be created by yourself, everyone steals everyone's idea.
I get reminded of this comic "I made this. I made this!"

>> No.7252934

>>7252916

The show is written by some edgy fedora tipping comic book author who has never played the games and just read a summary of the plot. Comic authors are extreme hacks and they should have hired at least a real young adult author.

>> No.7252978

>>7245690
Maybe in like 2008. It hasn't been anything close to 60 bucks for over a decade, even in Akiba

>> No.7252990

>>7245824
Saturn has this, it's called the Satiator

>> No.7253284

>>7252934
There are actually a ton of great comic writers. The ones who become famous outside comics though are either Alan Moore or Alan Moore wannabes.