FFVI

[Anonymous No.7231578]

What's the point of this scene?

[Anonymous No.7231589]

>>7231578
Edgar was a known lover boy or ladies man. Maybe relm knew of his reputation.

[Anonymous No.7231658]

>>7231578
It's supposed to show Edgar's dismay that children are being forced into action, the situation is that dire. But it's placed in a dumb position (not the only line in this game) that it gives a misleading implication.

[Anonymous No.7231678]

10 year olds are sexual beings. I think this was the big takeaway here.

[Anonymous No.7231767]

10 is a good number

[Anonymous No.7231808]

>>7231767
I never realized there was so much Relm art out there, but I can't say I'm surprised.

[Anonymous No.7231841]

>>7231578
To reinforce the facts that Relm dresses provocatively and Edgar is a sad, lonely man.
>>7231767
If she ain't bleedin' she's ready for breedin'

[Anonymous No.7231845]

>>7231578
>muh story
>muh jarpigs!

[Anonymous No.7231915]

idk how about you look at the japanese version instead of trying to get anything from an extremely poorly translated english version

[Anonymous No.7231929]

>jarpig
kys

[Anonymous No.7231942]

>>7231915
>extremely poorly translated english version
Shut the fuck up weeb, Ted Woosley is a professional. If you really need a more ""acurate"" (i.e. autistic) translation, this is from the GBA version:
>Strago: Oh, all right already! Not like you stay at home when you're told, anyway...
>Relm: Yay!
>Sabin: All right, let's go!
>Relm: What's wrong, lover-boy?
>Edgar: ...How old are you?
>Relm: Ten... Why?
>Relm: Weirdo. I'm going on ahead, okay?
>Edgar: Not even a lady yet... Here's hoping you're still arond in eight years, kid.
It's almost exactly the same because surprise, surprise, Woolsey got it right the first time.

[Anonymous No.7232023]

>>7231658
>It's supposed to show Edgar's dismay that children are being forced into action, the situation is that dire.
Right. Also Edgar was forced to assume the throne of Figaro at a young age, having a bunch of responsibilities thrust on him. There's probably some part of him that still resents that, and seeing this child all gung-ho to join the rebels instead of enjoying their youth... probably stirred something in him.

Well, that's what I got out of it.

[Anonymous No.7232032]

>>7232023
Why would someone draw this?

[Anonymous No.7232036]

Imagine thrusting into action at 10 years of age.

[Anonymous No.7232037]

>>7231578
The japanese back then hardly cared about pedo paranoia and found loli's to be sexy and a popular fetish. The age of consent (then) in one region was 13, so by 10 they're already starting to think about it, so the loli's are a thing.

She's sexually aware and you're meant to laugh at how uncomfortable it makes the adults.

What a fuddy duddy!

[Anonymous No.7232047]

>>7231942
You are right. It is a surprise when that dude gets something right.

[Anonymous No.7232049]

Not only did these games single handedly kill arcade style games, they also promote pedophilia. Great.

[Anonymous No.7232139]

>>7231942
I said japanese version, not equally shitty GBA translation

[Anonymous No.7232169]

>>7232139
>The Game Boy Advance translation does indeed re-translate almost everything from scratch. The new translation is wonderfully accurate, almost every line retains the same tone as the original Japanese text, and character nuances are recognized and conveyed properly
It's your word over that of a professional translator's
https://legendsoflocalization.com/final-fantasy-vi/
It's over. You lost.

[Anonymous No.7232184]

>>7232169
Yes, the GBA translation is pretty good. It still has quite a few errors, but much better then the original. There's several better fan translations through, some even use a lot of the work from legends of localization.

[Anonymous No.7232346]

>>7231915

[Anonymous No.7232348]

[Anonymous No.7232364]

>>7232139
In the japanese versión he asks her age and then says to himself something like: "That would be a crime, don't even think about It".

[Anonymous No.7232376]

>>7232364
What's the followup in the English versions?

[Anonymous No.7232391]

>>7232376
Something like:
"They grow too fast" in the old translation.
"See you in 8 years" in the GBA translation.

[Anonymous No.7233119]

>>7231578
Reminder that the line was written by a woman.

[Anonymous No.7233127]

>>7232037
>The age of consent (then) in one region was 13
The only reason the age of consent was 13 in that "region" was because it was literally an uninhabited island you retard.

[Anonymous No.7233136]

>>7232169
https://legendsoflocalization.com/what-does-edgar-say-about-relm-in-each-final-fantasy-vi-translation/
This scene was censored, try again.

[Anonymous No.7233171]

>>7233127
Age of consent is more of a recent thing the past hundred years or so. Historically, people were allowed to marry at the time they were capable of reproducing and it was really up to family rather than the law to decide if that was socially acceptable. Japan is likely a little late to these norms because they were still relatively isolationist at around the time this broader shift started.

[Anonymous No.7233221]

>>7232037
What a yummy, probably broken woman.

[Anonymous No.7233327]

>>7231578
It was just the usual "he's a casanova so he'll try to charm every woman he comes across" stereotype for Edgar's kind of character, even in anime these kinds of characters exist.
This scene was one of the few japanese humor in the game that will never be understood by the west.

[Anonymous No.7233334]

>>7232346
>>7232348
Oh so he contemplated about it being a crime, all right.

[Anonymous No.7233347]

>>7233327
>This scene was one of the few japanese humor in the game that will never be understood by the west.
Yes nothing says deep and hard to understand like a pervert.

This post is an inch away from "There's no english term for nakama."

[Anonymous No.7233362]

>>7233347
I'm quite sure you understood what I meant with that sentiment so I don't have much to say

[Anonymous No.7233365]

>>7232032
For likes and retweets.

[Anonymous No.7233383]

>>7231915
>look at japanese version
No. Fuck no.

[Anonymous No.7233391]

>>7233362
I didn't, because a similar joke appeared in Family Guy of all things.

[Anonymous No.7233398]

>>7231767
I want more of this style of art.

[Anonymous No.7233461]

>>7231578
To show that there is one line that Edgar's debauchery won't cross. There's also a little girl in Figaro who tells you that Edgar wanted her to marry him when she was older.

[Anonymous No.7233553]

>>7233347
There is no English term for Nakama. You can't make a neologism with the same meaning.

[Anonymous No.7233597]

>>7233553
COMRADE?

[Anonymous No.7233602]

>>7233597
How does comrade convey the fact that they are demons? You are just translating 仲間, not 仲魔.

[Anonymous No.7233643]

>>7233553
>>7233597
Don't start this shit. It's not even the weekend.

[Anonymous No.7233816]

>>7233553
how about FAGGOT? because thats what you sound like, FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.7233823]

What's the best translation out there if I want to play SNES version of FFVI?

[Anonymous No.7233839]

>>7233823
Play it in glorious Nihongo like the developers intended.

[Anonymous No.7233854]

>>7233839
Ok but is there a bug fix too? Heard it had tons of bugs.

[Anonymous No.7233860]

>>7233854
Don't fix them, at least not for your first playthrough if ever.

[Anonymous No.7233868]

>>7233860
oh ok. interesting.

[Anonymous No.7233960]

>>7233823
Until the retranslated version by hairy_hen is done then use Revised Old Style Edition. It includes comprehensive bug fixes too. Never settle for anything that says uncensored because it's the most dogshit, not even proofread, and playtested "re-translation" out there.

[Anonymous No.7234306]

The joke is that as hard as Edgar tries to act like a ladies' man he is in fact a massive fucking nerd and awkward as all hell. A few of the women in Figaro even mention it when you talk to them. Dude's fucking desperate

[Anonymous No.7234469]

>>7233119
Based on her doujinshi, I'm pretty sure that she also shipped them.
Not surprising at all, that's how a ton of shoujo goes.

[Anonymous No.7234484]

>>7232346
>Doesn't ask why
>>7232348
>Doesn't say anything about coming back in 8 years

[Anonymous No.7234615]

>>7233823
I'm using the Ted Woolsey uncensored translation. It also fix some stuff like the sketch glitch and blind. But the Vanish glitch is left.

[Anonymous No.7234647]

>>7234615
>I'm using the Ted Woolsey uncensored translation. It also fix some stuff like the sketch glitch and blind.
>But the Vanish glitch is left.
lol
So you already encountered shits like these? Which I assume the author expects retards, who got baited to play retarded "translation" like TWUE, to report?

[Anonymous No.7234671]

>>7234647
Currently i haven't found any errors in the translation but idk, maybe later on the game.

[Anonymous No.7234764]

>>7234671
Watch out for when you save Mog in the WoB and it says CAN YOU TALK? instead of "You can talk?" There are a lot of errors from SNES that has been retained and claiming that it improves from Woolsey and taking into account Mato's notes about the TL is a blatant lie.
Also ROSE is the better choice.

[Anonymous No.7235001]

Best translation is a totally literal one, with no dumb-ass flourishes and clever takes from the translator.
Too bad fan translators are up their asses so far they'll never accept that fact and deliver.

[Anonymous No.7235057]

>>7232391
sure thing pedo

[Anonymous No.7235158]

>>7235057
That what he says, retard. In any case the pedos are the writers that put that scene in the game on the first place.
https://legendsoflocalization.com/what-does-edgar-say-about-relm-in-each-final-fantasy-vi-translation/
>>7232391
Small Correction tho: In the old translation Edgar says "YOU'VE grown too fast", no "They grow too fast"

[Anonymous No.7235175]

>>7231578
>woolseytards think this is how a 10 year old girl should talk

[Anonymous No.7235182]

>>7235001
I understand the sentiment but in his site Mato wrote an essay detailing why literal translations aren't always a good idea and a lot of contextual meaning can be lost.

I agree that it isn't an excuse for translators to insert their shitty jokes and pop culture references in though, these are unforgivable in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.7235190]

>>7235182
Link it, please

[Anonymous No.7235206]

>>7235190
Oh, I don't remember the title now and it was some time ago.
Go to his site, Legends of Localization and search in the "Informative" tab, it shouldn't be hard to find.

[Anonymous No.7235245]

>>7235206
I've found it. Thanks
https://legendsoflocalization.com/when-is-it-okay-to-localize-and-not-localize/

[Anonymous No.7235401]

>>7233854
The worst bug is the Sketch glitch, which only exists in US 1.0 cartridge (it's not even in the Japanese version!). All other versions, including Virtual Console and the Classic Mini, use US 1.1, which has Sketch behaving normally. (Sure, some people can have niche fun with this glitch if they're lucky and know what you're doing, but nine times outta ten it'll mess the game up.) There are bugfix patches, but no all-encompassing cocktail that doesn't also subjectively script edit.
>>7233960
I'd say that, until it's done, just use Total Graphics Uncensorship (https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3813/)) with the included MP growth restoration. Even in incomplete state, none of the older "relocalization" hacks I've tried come close to hairy_hen's retranslation. That said, I don't know too much about the new ROSE. Seems it has less weirdness like >>7234764 though.

[Anonymous No.7235478]

>>7235057

[Anonymous No.7235634]

>>7232037
TUMMA

[Anonymous No.7235652]

Is the original translation that bad?

I know about enemies with graphic changes to cover skin and the pub to cafe thing as it's typical of old JRPGs but I don't remember the translation being bad, then again I played FF VI nearly 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.7235663]

>>7234469
>FFVI scriptwriter wrote doujin
>FFVI writer
>doujin
>...
Dude, you can't just bait me with that. Elaborate, please!

[Anonymous No.7235695]

>>7235175
That's literally EXACTLY what she says in the Japanese version, you triple, no, quadruple, no, quintuple nigger.

https://legendsoflocalization.com/what-does-edgar-say-about-relm-in-each-final-fantasy-vi-translation/

How do you fail this hard? How do you let your seething over Ted Woolsey blind you to the truth? What faggoty cope will you offer now that you've been btfo?

[Anonymous No.7235736]

>>7235695
The link literally says the official translations were censored, holy shit take your meds dude

[Anonymous No.7235771]

>>7235057

[Anonymous No.7235790]

>>7235736
>the link literally proves your point but let me move the goalpost here instead so I can tell you to take your meds lmao
Eat shit:
>Relm: What’s wrong, lover-boy?
>Edgar: Say, how old are you?
>Relm: Ten.
That's the Japanese version of what's IN THE OP. It is 99٪ identical to the Woolsey line you just sperged over: >>7235175

It's over. Consider suicide.

[Anonymous No.7235810]

>>7235790
>That's the Japanese version of what's IN THE OP.
And the original post asked for the point of this SCENE, not SCREENSHOT, Jesus you're bad at this.

[Anonymous No.7235831]

>>7235810
That's not how imageboard communication works, you seething retard. When you write a shitty little one line greentext response you are assumed to be responding to the image first, text second.

[Anonymous No.7235860]

>>7235810
And this is a massive cope anyway because the only line of Relm's that got changed (here's where you move the goalpost again and pretend you were talking about Edgar) is
>Relm: Weirdo. I’m going on ahead.
to
>I'm coming, too.
But holy shit, Woolseytards think 10 year old girls say things like THAT?

[Anonymous No.7235868]

>>7235771
jesus christ get help

[Anonymous No.7235879]

>>7235158
ya might be losing some cultural translation

[Anonymous No.7235881]

>>7235868
not an argument

[Anonymous No.7235887]

>>7235831
>>7235860
Who said I was greentext poster? Are you so blind by your irrational, mentally ill seething that you think everyone who disagrees with you is greentext poster? I kind of feel sorry. Please take care of yourself better, anon.

[Anonymous No.7235898]

>>7235663
FF6 involved multiple writers due to the different characters. Edgar and Sabin were written by Soraya Saga who later worked on Xenogears and Xenosaga. I know she's done some FF6 and Xenogears doujins, but I've never seen them online (I don't think they're porn doujin either).

[Anonymous No.7235928]

>>7235898
Oh, that hack? She and her hack husband can't make one game together without coating it with edgy nihilist themes of dead gods and corrupt churches. Of course the Japs eat it up every time, but still, I'm surprised to learn that she wrote two of my favorite characters from the game.

[Anonymous No.7235987]

This rewrite is the best and adds character to Edgar. Once again Ted improves garbage nipscript.

[Anonymous No.7236064]

>>7232037
TOOMA

[Anonymous No.7236102]

>>7233960
Isn't hairy_hen translation done already? It was released pretty much ready. I don't think it's going to be updated anymore

[Anonymous No.7236134]

>>7236102
Next update is gonna be the big one but hairy_hen is a perfectionist. It is technically finished but the current version is more of a draft. It was released due to peer pressure, not really in its final state, because it was frankly already much better than the other attempts.

[Anonymous No.7236151]

>>7235987
>adds
>improves
Translations/localizations are not supposed to do either of those. Their job is to convey what's there, not change it. A translator holds no authority over the material to judge it's quality in any way.

[Anonymous No.7236207]

>>7236151
Localization is culturally driven and as such has every right to change aspects to suit its target audience.

[Anonymous No.7236253]

>>7231578
>>7233136
>>7235158
>>7235987
Well I don't know how you can discuss this scene without bringing up the follow-up interaction during the (if Relm is recruited) ending: Edgar is clearly hitting on Celes, who walks off disinterested when he's not looking to join Locke, then Relm walks up eager to take Celes' spot, and Edgar turns around upset that he was talking to Relm, much to her amusement. Now tell me: which version of the scene makes the most sense of this interaction?

[Anonymous No.7236271]

>>7236207
That's a different thing. Taking crosses and other religious stuff out of US versions because ameritards are stupid is localization. Changing a reference to a Japanese folklore character to a american folklore character because americans wouldn't understand otherwise is localization. Making up stuff and changing dialogue to "make it better" is not localization, it's stupidity.

[Anonymous No.7237226]

>>7235401
ROSE has a page where it shows all the script changes or modifications it did
>https://silentenigma.neocities.org/ff6rose/index.html
And so far it's much better than what others did.

[Anonymous No.7237228]

>>7236102
Not yet there are still rough patches in the current version, she said that she's been working on it but it has been months ago.

[Assholenigga No.7237235]

Fan service

[Anonymous No.7237241]

>>7237226
I don't really care about the script changes, but I love ROSE for the smaller text that allows for more space to write and less weird abbreviations.

[Anonymous No.7237251]

>>7231678
She is only 10 years old you sick fuck!

[Anonymous No.7237287]

>>7236064
IZ NATTA TOOMA!!!!

[Anonymous No.7238095]

>>7237226
>The purpose of the hack is to bring FF6's superficial elements as close as possible to the standard set by FFOrigins and FF6's immediate successors, while preserving the difficulty of the game's 1994 North American version as designed.
Final Fantasy Origins, yes, underrated script, but..by "immediate successors" I hope he did not mean the "this guy are sick" guys.
>Like several hacks of its kind currently available, FF6:ROSE includes bugfixes, decensored graphics, quality-of-life enhancements, and a revised script based on multiple translation sources, both official (Woolsey, Slattery) and unofficial (KWhazit, Clyde Mandelin, Lina Darkstar, et al.).
Can we stop pretending these hacks are inspired by KWhazit and Lina Darkstar? If they were, they'd have been made years ago, not boomed after Clyde Mandelin's analysis. At least be honest, they're an afterthought if anything to make your project stand out.
Not much to say about the bullet points there. I never felt like soft reset and a game over prompt were needed, and NPCs avoiding you might make trying to talk to them annoying. I like the button swap option though, so there's that. Let's move on to the readme.

[Anonymous No.7238101]

Virgin Relm
Chad Krile

[Anonymous No.7238102]

>>7238095
>Novelties are occasionally introduced by the author, usually for one of the following reasons: - Replacing a Slattery novelty of higher complexity - Attempting to capture better the tone of an untranslatable phrase - Resolving a continuity error - Joy
That last one (or two, depending on what's defined as an error) doesn't bode well.
>Cancel button dash - Press the configured Cancel button (A or B) to double walking speed on the field. Effect stacks with Sprint Shoes. - Effect is disabled during timed challenges. - Based on ff3DashB (MasterZed) + Sliding Dash fix (SilentEnigma)
Good change, it's one thing to dash but PSX/GBA-introduced "sprint-dashing" breaks the timed sequences. Other hacks take note, this is what you should do if you add dashing.
>A limited selection of dummied-out character dialog & unfinished NPC content has been reconstructed.
What, exactly? I want to know what I'm in for.
>The music track used for on-foot WOR* world map navigation is kept constant. (Implementation published by SSJ Rick.)
For what purpose? There's a reason the renewed-hope post-Falcon track is called "Searching for Friends". Other hacks take note, this is what not to do.
>The author's preferred game configuration may be silently activated by holding the Select button as a new game is about to start.
Well that's just silly.
Oh BTW >>7235401 there are bugfix "cocktails" out there, it's just not hosted by ROMhacking.net. Here's the one used by ROSE: https://www.ff6hacking.com/forums/thread-3764.html

[Anonymous No.7238148]

>>7235771
incredibly key-ed

[Anonymous No.7238465]

>>7238148
The 2020 Milhouse, everyone

[Anonymous No.7238940]

>>7238095
>>7238102
At least ROSE does not botch the dialogue.

[Anonymous No.7239415]

>>7231578
to show what happens when daughters are raised without a father figure.

[Anonymous No.7239554]

>>7239415
She still has her grandpa tho

[Anonymous No.7239625]

>>7236207
>>7236271
Hello, translator Anon from the working designs thread.

I insist, the only time you're allowed to pull a "my cultural" change, is when a pun or a Joke simply does NOT work directly translated from a language to another language, you're adjusting there for the audience, while still keeping the overall aim of the original work present. A lot of English translators, on the other hand, seem to want to make divas or celebrities out of themselves and re-write games as they see fit. I really hate the whole adition of whole new dialogue (especially if it's just crude humor), or something that to this day blows my mind: adding voice overs in scenes that were supposed to be silent or introspective.

[Anonymous No.7239664]

>>7232032
Simpsons reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZ-bJcSTh4