/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.722586]

Classic games ruined by bad rereleases/remakes.

WHY SQUARE WHY??!!

[Anonymous No.722620]

this ;_;

[Anonymous No.722631]

>>722620
Never played the original, played that version however and I loved it.
Never even knew it was a remake back then to be honest

[Anonymous No.722637]

>>722631
i think i'm one of the few people who didn't love it, but i couldn't get into it, especially after how much i loved the game boy version. but then again i haven't really enjoyed any of the mana series except FF: Adventure, so i'm not surprised i didn't like this one. if you liked secret of mana or any of those games you definitely would like this one, but for me it wasn't right.

[Anonymous No.722639]

>>722637
Alright, any particular reason? Or it's just one of those "it didn't click with me"

[Anonymous No.722643]

>>722620
That's not very bad game, just not as good in gameplay as Final Fantasy Adventure. But I liked detailed plot and cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.722646]

>dat music

[Anonymous No.722660]

>>722639
i suppose as lame as it is it's just a "didn't click with me" type of thing. i like action adventure games, i like rpgs, i just have never enjoyed a mana series game, with the exception of final fantasy adventure, which is one of my favorite games of all time.
>>722643
yeah, again, this was a heavily opinionated post.

[Anonymous No.722668]

>>722646
Oh and fuck the people that upload the GBA music to youtube, becoming the track I find by default.

What the fuck is wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.722748]

>>722646
I think there is a patch with better music

[Anonymous No.722757]

>>722646
On the other hand, it fixed everything else.

Really, "ruined GBA ports" is where DKC2 gets to shine.

[Anonymous No.722774]

>>722757
I haven't played the GBA version but this looks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRdsj_Bk-A

Yeah.

[Anonymous No.722873]

I can honestly say that most games that were later remade on Nintendo handhelds were shit.

[Anonymous No.722891]

Pretty much every GBA port of a SNES game was shit because the GBA has a worse soundchip and a lower resolution.

[Anonymous No.722904]

>>722774
Yeah... I had no idea they screwed up all the ports so badly, that looks absolutely horrible.

[Anonymous No.722910]

>>722873
Not true for many DS remakes, and the quality of 3DS remake output has been nothing but phenomenal. I agree for everything GBA though.

[Anonymous No.722912]

I like the original Lufia II, sure, but I liked this remake, too. Does that make me a bad person?

That said, and I know no one will agree with me, but Super Castlevania IV sucks. It's supposed to be a remake of Castlevania and it's just not fun to play.

While I'm torn between the overworld exploration, battle mechanics and spells list of the original SCD and the story-telling and character interactions of the PS, I think we can all agree that the GBA Lunar Legend is fucking atrocious.

Though the remake is dumbed down, I liked both the original Metroid and Zero Mission.

[Anonymous No.722917]

>>722891
Megaman and Bass was pretty awful since you had PSX resolution (320x240) sprites ported to SNES resolution (256x224) stages ported to the GBA resolution (240x160).

You were effectively playing with half the game cut off the screen at any given time.

[Anonymous No.722928]

>>722912
>I know no one will agree with me, but Super Castlevania IV sucks.

Don't worry about no one agreeing with you on that. There's already a much better CV1 remake out there that some people still have yet to try.

[Anonymous No.722937]

>>722620
>tfw Squeenix needs to remake Secret of Mana by hiring Supergiant Games.

[Anonymous No.722950]

>>722917
i guess. but there was never a PS version, and the game seemed to work great on gba. Come to think of it, what ever happened to my copy. I should go play that.

[Anonymous No.722953]

>>722620
That's a remake of something?

[Anonymous No.722956]

>>722912
"Sucks" is a bit too much but I do not enjoy playing through SCIV.
The catchy music is gone for most of other part instead going for atmospheric, the environments are brown, the whip is broken as shit.
Chronicles is a better remake, and Rondo is a better game.

[Anonymous No.722972]

The GBA version of Sonic 1 was also horrid

[Anonymous No.723000]

>>722620
I just finished playing this actually

I can't believe they decided to take a fairly simple and perfectly crafted game and bloat it into a convoluted mess

[Anonymous No.723316]

>>722757
All of the DKC ports are pretty bad, including the DKC1 GBC port. Tried playing the DKC GBA port recently, god... The physics... I just have no idea what the fuck is going on with the physics in that game.

[Anonymous No.723320]

>>722586
>Natsume

[Anonymous No.723323]

>>722912
Its supposed to be a new game. I don't care if it's a "retelling" or whatever the fuck, it's a completely different game.

[Anonymous No.723326]

>>722972
SF on GBA

Shining Force was not ruined and this port was good. They added more stuff and only dropped the ball on the portraits.

[Anonymous No.723336]

>>723326
Dude no, the remake was ass

[Anonymous No.723382]

>>722586
Wait, the remake of that game sucks? I hoenstly don't know since I haven't tried it.
Could someone tell me how the remake is compared to the original?

[Anonymous No.723396]

>>723326
Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon was bad.

Easy mode through the entire game. Higher difficulty (which only means more monster HP) opens up each time you beat the game. So you need to beat it twice or thrice for it to be nearly as difficult as it was before.

Graphic style changes made choosing where you move your army a horizontal birdeye-esque ordeal. This means half the time you can't be sure where you're landing them if someone else happens to be a space below.

The three added characters completely break the game, as if it wasn't easy enough: one has the best and cheapest heal-all spell, a spell for massive attack boost, and a spell to increase everyone's movement. The other one is a one-hit killer, and the other one can give any character an extra turn and pretty much destroy any semblance of difficulty through the card system.

Yeah, then theres the card system. As if the game wasn't easy enough already.

I haven't even made mention of the horrible graphic changes. The portraits are not that bad compared to the hideous attack animations. Dark Dragon itself looks like a joke now.

The only good things were the better-explained plot, but even that had to include a lame excuse for becoming a mute, and the battle bonus, but getting those made the game EVEN EASIER. The remade music was kind of nice, too, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.723403]

>>723382
Totally different battle system, it's an action game. Shitty voice acting, and Tia stays in your party.

[Anonymous No.723419]

>>723382
It became an action RPG with stage select and a stat boost chart system. The gameplay wasn't bad, though the camera was all sorts of broken.

Plot-wise though, you had a game that took Lufia II and made it steampunk, less puzzle-oriented, and gave you the chance to make Maxim and Selan [spoilers]live at the end.[/spoilers] And where all characters underwent the Nomura Hormone Replacement Therapy. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.723428]

>>723382
It became an action RPG with stage select and a stat boost chart system. The gameplay wasn't bad, though the camera was all sorts of broken.

It took Lufia II and made it steampunk, less puzzle-oriented, tacked on annoying animu voice acting, and gave you the chance to make Maxim and Selan live at the end. And where all characters underwent the Nomura Hormone Replacement Therapy. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.723436]

>>723382
It's different. Very different. I mean the basic plot points are there, but some of the more unimportant parts of the story are left out, so it's more 'straight to the point' as far as plot goes. And of course the gameplay is pretty much completely changed. Also, as you can probably tell by the box art, it was revamped into more of a steampunk-ish setting as compared to the original.

Tbh, it isn't as bad as the fanbase makes it out to be, but it is very different, which is the key reason for most of the hate. On it's own merit it's not a bad game though.

Also some of the female designs did make me rock hard.

[Anonymous No.723439]

>>723428
Dekar is the only design I approve of, and then they go and make him Brawler McPunchfist.

[Anonymous No.723443]

>>722748
No amount of patching can fix the shitty hardware.

If someone can play through even the intro of FFIV on the GBA and tell me it's the same quality as the SNES version then they are blind and deaf.

[Anonymous No.723624]

>>723316
If you think that's bad, try playing Donkey Kong Land. Shit feels like a Chinese bootleg.

[Anonymous No.723642]

>>722586
I liked itPost your address and fight me about it faggots

[Anonymous No.724150]

>>723428

Top: Bad Fire Emblem fanart

Botton: Bad FFVIII fanart

[Anonymous No.724256]

Ecco the Dolphin (GBA)
Comix Zone (GBA)
Sonic the Hedgehog (GBA)

Ugh.

[Anonymous No.724303]

>>724256
Every Genesis/MD game released on GBA sucked.

Except for Treasure's outings. They did the right thing with Gunstar Super Heroes, making it a sequel/thinly veiled remake.

[Anonymous No.724338]

It's okay guys. Don't think of Lufia DS as a remake, think of it as an awesome rearrange album of Lufia II that includes a weird game.

Seriously, it at least gave us this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pghtiPwno

BTW psssst OP Lufia was never a square game.

>>722757
Jesus, it looks like one of those dime a dozen shovelware titles.

[Anonymous No.724362]

>>724338
Shame those Arranged tracks weren't actually in the game, and were just soundtrack only.

[Anonymous No.724368]

>>724338
>BTW psssst OP Lufia was never a square game.
I know, but they made this version.

[Anonymous No.724379]

People say Sonic (2006) or Shadow The Hedgehog is the worst game while this exists.

GBA ports were just so bad half the time.

[Anonymous No.724390]

>>724368
No they didn't. The original devs did. SE published it in Japan, but thats all.

[Anonymous No.724394]

>>724379
Shitty portable remakes are a tradition that goes much further back than the GBA. The original gameboy had plenty.

[Anonymous No.724406]

>>724394
>There was a MK1 Port for the original Game Boy

Oh god really?

[Anonymous No.724416]

>>724394
The difference is that it was a port to a fully capable handheld that didn't HAVE to suck but did anyway.

[Anonymous No.724452]

>>722928
>a much better CV1 remake out there
>worse music than CV IV
>worse graphics than CV IV
>worse gameplay than CV IV

the only thing Chronicles has over CV IV is difficulty. now stop trying so fucking hard

[Anonymous No.724450]

[Anonymous No.724461]

>>724452
But it has Leather Queen Simon!

[Anonymous No.724462]

>>724416
True

>>724406
ALL THREE Mortal Kombats got ports to the original gameboy.

They're all terrible but the first one is notoriously awful in every way. It's one of the worst GB games ever made.

I have vague, barely recalled memories of it from when I was like 4 years old, and I have misplaced nostalgia for this piece of shit because of it

[Anonymous No.724489]

Haha time for Tales of Phantasia GBA version.
And for added pain, the english dub.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbmCKT3XSAU
How nice of Namco to give english speakers the worst version of the game and not the Snes,PSX, or PSP version.

[Anonymous No.724491]

>>724489
>Haha time for Tales of Phantasia GBA
no dad no

[Anonymous No.724512]

>Grandia for PS1
>Grandia 2 for PS2
>Evolution Worlds for Gamecube

[Anonymous No.724526]

>>724489
Thats the version I wanted to play since I never got to play ToP before and my god it was so bad.

>>724512
Evolution Worlds was an odd thing they did trying to put both games in one game.

Grandia 1 for the PS1 was bad?

[Anonymous No.724534]

>>724526
>Grandia 1 for the PS1 was bad?
It's inferior to the Saturn version (Jap only). Horrible frame rate, less detailed graphics, longer loading times.

[Anonymous No.724543]

>>724534
Ah that explains it, didn't know there was a version before that one.

[Anonymous No.724563]

>>724489
The Kangaroo Holy War was a thing of beauty.

[Anonymous No.724593]

>>722586
Not really "ruined by them" but most of the examples in this thread weren't, so... All console ports of Doom are lousy.

[Anonymous No.724656]

>>724489
I really need to get around to replaying this game because the GBA version is the only one I've beaten.

Also, I rather like the dub. It's cheesy, but it reminds me of C:SotN's style especially for lines like: "What the heck is that?!"

[Anonymous No.724667]

>>724656
Play the psx version.
The skits were fucking hylarious, especially the running gag of Klarth attempting to use his summons to make cold/heat more bearable.

[Anonymous No.725065]

>>723320

I think this faggot is trying to imply there's something wrong with Natsume

But no one could be retarded enough to do so

I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation

[Anonymous No.725106]

>>725065
It's spelled Natume.

[Anonymous No.725116]

>>725106
oh wow, that's almost revelaitons tier

[Anonymous No.725118]

>>725116
Capcpom general

[script writer kibe No.725252]

>>722972
God, I played one of those Sega Collection packs on Visualboy. I wanted to cut my ears off the music was so horrid.

[script writer kibe No.725259]

>>724406
That's nothing

[Anonymous No.725263]

>Lufia DS ruined the Lufia series
>Suikoden Tierkreis ruined the Suikoden series
>Chrono Trigger DS fucked up the ending
>SaGa 2 and SaGa 3 ruined the SaGa series
>Fire Emblem - Shadow Dragon almost ruined the FE franchise
>Final Fantasy III was ugly and clunky
>Front Mission has more loading times and plays worse than the original SNES version
>Legacy of Ys is the worst Ys I and II remake

There. Only DS JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.725265]

>>725252
while this one wasn't quite as horrid, who the fuck thought it was a good idea to put a compilation of four games that basically require analog control to play correctly on the fucking GBA

[Anonymous No.725270]

>>724390
Square was publisher, but they OWN taito now, which is the whole reason why this game exists, they made them do it.

Also them fucking with the canon ending was just such a shitty thing to do.

[script writer kibe No.725275]

>>725263
>Front Mission has more loading times and plays worse than the original SNES version

Jesus, it's really that bad? I mean how much loading can it take for a game that was re purposed from the late 90's?

[Anonymous No.725285]

>>725275
It's so bad, the first time I played the game, I thought my DS crashed.
It's very noticeable when changing player phases.

[Anonymous No.725307]

>>725263

[Anonymous No.725313]

>>725263
>SaGa 2 and SaGa 3 ruined the SaGa series
Not really. Unlimited Saga really created that division. I don't care for the graphical style or music in the remakes, but getting rid of random encounters and having chain attacks in battle? I don't see how that is bad.

[Anonymous No.725321]

>>725263
I played all of them and still enjoyed them, but I feel bad for enjoying them because they technically are inferior.

[Anonymous No.725490]

>>724452
>muh atmosphere!
>m-muh mode 7 effects!
>m-m-muh overpowered whip!
>I-If you don't care for any of these, you must be a s-stupid tryhard!

[Anonymous No.727882]

>>724256
what? i wasn't even aware those games had gba ports

[Anonymous No.727883]

>>724379
sonic 06 is worse than this.

[Anonymous No.728113]

>>722586

Actually, I kind of like it.

>>723436
>>724338

Pretty much these.

>>723439
Actually, from what I read, he can use EVERY weapon in the game.

[Anonymous No.728267]

>>725106
you do realize that's a perfectly legitimate spelling right? Tsu = tu, Chi = ti, etc. are all pretty common. Konnitiwa is just as accepted as Konnichiwa. they're the same letters.

[Anonymous No.728393]

Megaman X iOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbht_bSvKcs

[Anonymous No.728534]

>>728393

[Anonymous No.728559]

I so wish the dialogue from this game had been used in Lufia II in some spots. Why they decided to wreck the combat system I don't know, but god damn you can tell love went into the text redesign. Erim's re-write alone deserves a playthrough.

[Anonymous No.728558]

>>728267
Natsume's a company, you keep consistent spellings with companies.

[Anonymous No.728587]

>>728558
It's a Japanese company. Natume and Natsume are literally the exact same letters.

[Anonymous No.728592]

Japan only but still the same

[Anonymous No.728625]

>>725263
>Chrono Trigger DS fucked up the ending
Howso? I haven't played it. Also, if that's the only complaint you can come up with, that sounds like a pretty good port to me.

[Anonymous No.728642]

>>725263
I tried playing Tierkris last year, but had to stop about 10 minutes in solely on account of the awful voice acting and dialogue. Fucking christ.

Was the gameplay any good?

[Anonymous No.728649]

>>728587
The American branch is incorporated as Natsume Inc. The American company's name is on that title screen, which is registered as Natsume Inc.
They may have mistranslated it due to the reason you stated but it's still a mistake as Natume is NOT the name of the American branch, it is Natsume.

[Anonymous No.728657]

>>728592
I wanna FUCK ebisumaru.

[Anonymous No.728664]

>>728625
They added an actual CANON ending to it to tie it into chrono cross, which is shit like CRONO AND THE GANG CAN'T ACTUALLY BEAT THE REAL BIG BAD, AND MAGUS LOSES HIS MEMORIES AND IS ACTUALLY GILE.

So yeah.

[Anonymous No.728670]

>>728664
Oh.

Eh, I have no intention of playing Chrono Cross anyway, so it doesn't bother me.

[Anonymous No.728717]

>>722646
>evasion bug fixed
>vanish glitch fixed
>other major game-breaking bugs fixed
>people hate it because NOT MUH TRANSLATION and NOT MUH MUSIC

There is no pleasing you

[Anonymous No.728743]

>>728393

[Anonymous No.728768]

>>724489
The Ninja girl, you could get her in this version?

[Anonymous No.728773]

>>728717
Someone actually made a hack to replace parts of the GBA version script with the "Woolsenisms" from the original SNES version.

They call it...the Woolsey Slattery Compromise Patch.

[Anonymous No.728790]

>>728773
Hm... did they remove that STUPID bit of censorship during the suicide scene? That's the one bit of the script that keeps me from playing the SNES version over the GBA version.

[Anonymous No.728806]

>>728773
did they fix the music too?

[Anonymous No.728807]

>>728768
Suzu, yes you can.

[Anonymous No.728810]

>>728806
Yeah, there's a patch for that too.

[Anonymous No.728813]

>>728393
>that dumbed down dificulty

[Anonymous No.728817]

>>728790
They censored Celes' taking a slap in the face after her treason.
Even though in battle she gets stabbed, cut, burnt, electrocuted, machine gunned, etc.

[Anonymous No.728825]

>>728817
Yeah, that's stupid, but it's a relatively minor scene. The suicide scene is one of the best scenes in the game, and the SNES version totally butchered it. I'd like a version that has both the slap and the suicide, but we don't live in a perfect world or Japan.

[Anonymous No.728830]

Have I got a game for you:

<---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FDerOf-Bg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8WrBQRaEbo

Prepare to squeal like a pig.

[Anonymous No.728834]

>>728830
Wily Wars was great you gaylord.

[Anonymous No.728836]

>>728825
Actually, Japan was the one who censored the slap, as recent current events at the time were related to women being tied up in basements.

[Anonymous No.728837]

>>728834
>Horrible music
>Dumbed down difficulty
>Making it worse than it already was

Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.728845]

>>728836
Yeah, but Super Famicom FFVI has both scenes intact. It's probably the definitive FFVI experience for anyone that speaks nip, which I unfortunately don't.

[Anonymous No.728847]

>>728845
Although I have heard the Japanese Kefka is pretty bland, so who knows. FFVI may just be that one game that could be amazing if they'd just make a version that had the best parts of every iteration.

[Anonymous No.728853]

>>728837
>Horrible music
Nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthkKrZjXpM
>Dumbed down difficulty
Fixing a broken gameplay aspect isn't dumbing it down the difficulty if it ends up makes it easier, and for North Americans, it was actually harder because there was no easy mode.
>Making it worse than it already was
>implying it was bad at all

[Anonymous No.728858]

>>728830
>Wily Wars
>bad

That game is awesome. It's even better with a Game Genie to take weapons between the games.

>MM1 or 3 with Metal Blade
>MM2 with MM1 weapons
>slide in MM1 and 2

[Anonymous No.728865]

[Anonymous No.728875]

>>728865
What's wrong with that? Its the same as the PC versions box but with Sega branding.

[Anonymous No.728882]

>>728875
Wrong thread bro.

The 32x Doom has butchered music and, iirc, is the shareware version of the game.

[Anonymous No.728884]

>>728875
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHFxp4up6uc

[Anonymous No.728893]

Oh, that framerate

[Anonymous No.728897]

>>728884
MY EARS
THE HEADPHONES DO NOTHING!

[Anonymous No.728902]

>>728875
Godamn it, I need to go to bed, I though I was still in the bad boxart thread. I know Doom 32x is shitty.

[Anonymous No.728904]

>>728884
I actually don't think that's that bad. It has a nice amount of dissonance while still having an identifiable rhythm to it.

[Anonymous No.728909]

>>728893
That isn't ruined at all. The framerate sometimes dips, oh no. Its a turn based game.

[Anonymous No.728914]

>>728904
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbroOMBYBYU

[Anonymous No.728917]

>>728853
>>728858

[Anonymous No.728919]

>>728914
Christ, sounds like a toilet session gone wrong

[Anonymous No.728920]

>>728917
>Fixing a broken gameplay aspect isn't dumbing it down the difficulty if it ends up makes it easier, and for North Americans, it was actually harder because there was no easy mode
>implying that's opinion

[Anonymous No.728931]

>>725259
>GB KI
no dad no. Stop the painful memories

[Anonymous No.728928]

>>728919
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgM_ZOMFHZ8

[Anonymous No.728939]

>>728893
So glad there's a fix.

[Anonymous No.728953]

>>728909
Sometimes? Try any time you do anything other than a standard attack. For a game where the attack animations approach ten seconds BEFORE the dropped framerate, that's a fucking slog. And it's inexcusable, because the PSN version of the game doesn't have any similar problems at all on the PSN

[Anonymous No.728961]

>>728928
>>728914
These are both examples of bad samples rather than bad music. They sound bad, but they wouldn't be that bad with a better sound chip.

[Anonymous No.728969]

>>724450

holy shit this was sooo bad

[Anonymous No.728970]

>>728961

The problem is that when the music is a straight port, "sounding good" is all you have to do, and they failed completely at doing that. THEY HAD ONE JOB, so to speak.

[Anonymous No.728980]

>>728853
>>728858
The only good songs in Wily Wars were the ones invented just for the Genesis.

Fixing the boss immunity (especially in MM2) is fine, but Wily Wars has infamous bad slow down, and the sprite resizing is inconsistent at best.

But the controls are bad, with Megaman feeling particulary sticky when he moves, and his rapid fire timing being weird.

It's not the worst part ever made, but you're honestly better off just playing the sharper, better made NES originals.

[Anonymous No.728983]

>>728980
>Wily Wars has infamous bad slow down
On Pal

[Anonymous No.728987]

>>728893
Isn't there a patch for that?

[Anonymous No.728989]

>>728983
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-dj0p6jd_c

[Anonymous No.728994]

>>728989
That happened on the NES too.

[Anonymous No.729034]

>>728994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzN4Obox5qA

[Anonymous No.729069]

>>728642
No.

I beat the whole damn thing because I actually bought that piece of shit, I just liked Suikoden II that fucking much.

[Anonymous No.729097]

>>728987
Yeah, but if you have to resort to an unofficial fan-made patch for a game to be good, that's just straight bullshit

[Anonymous No.729106]

>>728884

What could've been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBQVcf37Xc

[Anonymous No.729130]

>>725259
no fucking way...

[Anonymous No.729135]

>>725263
>Chrono Trigger DS fucked up the ending

huh? I havent found a copy of the game to play through it. how did they fuck up the ending?

[Anonymous No.729138]

>>729135
see
>>728664

[Anonymous No.729145]

>>728664
>MAGUS LOSES HIS MEMORIES AND IS ACTUALLY GILE

I think you're confusing Guile with Magil.

[Anonymous No.729141]

>>729135
People got butthurt because it links Trigger to Cross and there's a huge divide between the two games' fandoms.

[Anonymous No.729164]

>>729141
I dont really like Cross but I dont see why people would get hutt burt over something so trivial.

[Anonymous No.729172]

>>722620
This has so much new content that I don't even think of it as a remake. It was the last good Mana game too.

[Anonymous No.729184]

>>724489
>CUM FORTH, THUNDAH OF DA GAWDS!!
>WUZZA HECK IS DAT????
>INDIGNASHUN

[Anonymous No.729310]

>>729141
>>729164

It's not so much the tie in to Cross as it is the invalidation of Trigger.

I mean, I like Cross. I don't like it as much as Trigger, but I think Cross is a pretty okay game on its own merits, with fantastic music and atmosphere.

However, I disdain anything that would invalidate a game's own plot... within its own game. Chrono Trigger is the magical tale of three teenagers, a robot, swordsfrog, and sexy cavewoman who fight a giant porcupine from space in order to save the world. Never at any point are they told they can't do this, despite the fact that it is patently retarded. No matter what hardships they endure, they keep trying until eventually they have the strength to turn around and stab it to death with a mop. It's meant to be very heroic and empowering.

Then, at the end of the new ending, they're told, "Oh wait, you can't save the world after all. Also everyone sucks and the universe is going to be destroyed." Then they all cry and angst about how it's hopeless, the most stoic and hardass character on the team declares himself an emo who can't bare to deal with the world, and everyone runs away to accept their inevitable death.

Chrono Cross is okay, because at least the story tries to remain consistent within itself. There is a consistent "feeling" throughout the game. For all the crap it tries to throw at the first game, it still ends on a good note for the two, even if it's disjointed.

The new Trigger ending linking the two is just bad.

[Anonymous No.729347]

>>728961
It's not that it's a bad soundchip it's that they didn't even try to make it sound good on 32X. Here is an example of it done right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBQVcf37Xc

[Anonymous No.729343]

Here's an amazing port/remake:

Ys III: Wanderers from Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQH0vXSkbXg

Ys: Oath in Felghana
http://youtu.be/WP_gHxV1PLI

[Anonymous No.729371]

I didn't know they could destroy all of the original versions of game just to force us to play their inferior new version.
That's pretty amazing, really.

[Anonymous No.729505]

>>728893
It's really fine with the framerate and resolution patch, but dat Shakespearian script is kinda ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.729810]

>>729505
Personally I didn't mind the new script at all, and much prefer it to the original translation which I felt collapsed in on itself by the endgame.

To each their own though.

[Anonymous No.729849]

>>722620
I wish they'd make another 2D Seiken Densetsu in the style of 2 and 3.

Secret of Mana is a godtier co-op game, and Seiken Densetsu 3 got pretty close to it. I think Legend of Mana is the only other co-op game, but it's fighting system sucked ass.

I tried Sword of Mana alone too, but yeah, it was pretty meh experience.

[Anonymous No.729985]

>>729810
I didn't play the original.

I'm very early on in the game but the Ye Olde Dialogue is annoying sometimes.

[Anonymous No.730034]

>>728642
You made it farther than me, Anon.

[Anonymous No.730156]

hey guys

for all your bitching, i decided to try playing FFVI

I'm loving it. I miss FFII's whole "Make the charater whatever you want" (I AM GUY...MASTER OF MAGIC!) but i'm really digging the relics/ variety of gear (OH MY GUCKING FOD BASED SPEED BOOTS)

I've played FF's 1, 2 and 6 now, what others are good? Also...

is there a "harder" version of FFTA? I mean, i fucking loved FFTA, but if i play it, even if i do some weird playthough i know i'll end up with vera sins/ doublecast summoners.

Is there a version that requires that level of gaming to complete?

[Anonymous No.730178]

>>730156
Try the original FFT?

[Anonymous No.730195]

>>730178
is it worth it to do PSX emulation?

Also, i think i'll try a unq sprite only run for FFTA

Is the DS emulator good enough for FFTA2?

[Anonymous No.730204]

>>730195
Not sure, although it seems to run things just fine.

I'm playing WotL on my psp with slowdown and resolution patch.

[Anonymous No.730213]

>>730204
WotL?

Also, i played FFIV, i think (The one with the dark knight who becomes a pally and you go to the moon and shit) but i didn't like it as much. Too much railroading when it comes to the party.

I want to be punshed for bad choices, it's what incentives good choices

[Anonymous No.730219]

>>730213
War of the lions, the PSP remake.

It's pretty tough, and overall very slow gameplay.

[Anonymous No.730226]

>>730156
You REALLY need to try FF5, it's got one of the best customization of any Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.730230]

This would be a much more productive thread if we was about good remakes/definitive versions of classic/old games.

[Anonymous No.730236]

>>730226
Thank you

I think i tried it on the DS once. It had a bunch of 3dish graphics, i see it's on the GBA as well, suggestions?

Also, seriously, loving all this /vr/otherly love. Been hanging out with the /asp/ies to much.

[Anonymous No.730241]

>>730230
You know what i love about the remakes? all the graphics are better

I mean, who would want OoT graphics if they could have SS or TP graphics?

[Anonymous No.730256]

>>730236
FFV wasn't available for the DS, you might be talking about 3 or 4.
The GBA version has some extras compared to the SNES/PSX version. Some people complain about the music in the GBA version, I felt it's still very good. If you're that anal about the music, there are patches available to transfer the SNES music.

[Anonymous No.730272]

>>730230
Is there such a thing?

[Anonymous No.730274]

>>730256
That's another good thing about remakes

I mean, who didn't like getting FF 1 and 2 in one cart?

Who didn't like the bonus dungeon where you fight your way out of hell and protect the original party?

Hell, even the bestiary was cool.

And i like the music in the remakes, i've never heard the other set. Is it the same quality?

[Anonymous No.730279]

>>730272
Personally I find the DQ DS remakes pretty good, same goes for Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.730313]

>>730279
DQ for DS

did they...did they give us 3 again?

Will the party of sexy jesters rise again?

[Anonymous No.730323]

>>730274
The PS1 version, FF: Origins, has the same music of a much higher quality. There's a couple of new tracks specifically for the GBA version though.

[Anonymous No.730327]

>>730313
Nope. 4, 5, 6 only.

[Anonymous No.730326]

>>730279
Oh yeah, they were. Still, I prefer the PS2 version of DQV.

[Anonymous No.730371]

and every other ps1 port of an snes rpg

[Anonymous No.730373]

>>730327
damm

as for>>730272
DQ 3

I'm pretty sure it was just flat out better then the old version

[Anonymous No.730375]

>>730279
The Chrono Trigger DS remake was fantastic, except for all the extra stuff they added.

Even disregarding the new ending (which people in this thread have already gone on about sufficiently), the new quests are nothing but tedious backtracking and cut'n'paste environments. They honestly shouldn't have bothered.

[Anonymous No.730379]

>>730272

[Anonymous No.730384]

[Anonymous No.730486]

>>730156
I just wanted to say

Just fought ultros

Sabin was swept away, and i was all ready to wait half a game till i got him away

then

FUCK YEAH SABIN CAMPAIGN!

PUNCHING

COMBOAN

BLITZAN!

MOTHER FUCKING SABIN!

loving this game

[Anonymous No.730484]

>>729097
don't tell that to people who like kotor 2

[Ausfag No.730504]

>>730484
No, even WE think it's bullshit. Lucasarts didn't give us a decent game, so we had to pick up their slack.

[Anonymous No.730548]

>>730504
Doesn't VtM need a patch too?

Also, is that game worth playing? I've heard good things, but i've also heard theres tons of bitching about patches

also, the whole "Dues ex Comp sci major thing" (So you let me build a computer science major, then lock me in a room with a augmented bully with a machine gun)

[Anonymous No.730573]

>>722586
I wouldn't say this one was so bad. Artstyle change was bizarre, and the game itself was way too easy, but the action combat was fun, and the story changes made it flow a bit better and made Tia, Haidekka, Lexus, and Iris actually matter a little more.

[Anonymous No.730585]

>>730548
Yeah, but just download the 'unofficial' patch made by the devs for no pay and it's still a very good game. There's many fan patches which add a ton of new content, arguments are had about which ones are lore friendly.

The game itself has some excellent dialog, mixing humor, sex, and mystery. The gameplay is alright, but there is some notable shitty areas that last way too long. Not to mention it ends kinda shitty due to running out of money.

[Anonymous No.730586]

>>730548
I've beaten it many times with no patches. Always ran into several glitches, but nothing game breaking. I would play with a patch given the option though, and I haven't played it for many years so it might not like more recent OS.

[Anonymous No.730610]

>>724150
The top actually looks more like they were going for Amano style

[Anonymous No.730617]

>>730573
I never played Lufia to get Maxim's dicky sticky, though. I always played it to save the world from sinistrals, play in the casinos and loot the ancient cave or whatever.

[Anonymous No.730653]

>>725263
>>SaGa 2 and SaGa 3 ruined the SaGa series

What's your reasoning behind this? They actually turned FFL3/SaGa3 into a real entry in the series instead of the generic JRPG it originally was.

[Anonymous No.730710]

>>730617
Different strokes I suppose, I loved the lore behind Estpolis, and am still holding out hope we'll get a remake of the original as well.

[Anonymous No.730728]

>>724150
The artist for the bottom did work on some FFs if that means anything.

He also did the artwork for Unlimited Saga, Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song, and Front Mission 4 and 5.

[Anonymous No.730739]

Orta never did the Saturn games justice. It was trash. The original games were beautiful, challenging, and engaging. This steaming mountain of whale shit was nothing of the sort.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of Saturn games, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams for the Wii was a joke as well.

[Anonymous No.730737]

>>724452
>>725490

No point bickering, the best remake by far is the X68000 version (which for the record is also contained within Chronicles).

[Anonymous No.730748]

>>727883
At least it tried something cool and fell short from lack of time.

This port literally destroyed something beautiful, and was (at least for GHZ) outdone by a fan project.

[Anonymous No.730760]

>>730739
i liked journey of dreams.

[Anonymous No.730771]

>>728847
So what parts exactly?

>original slap
>original suicide
>woolsian kefka
>SNES music
>GBA bugfixes

Anything else?

[Anonymous No.730782]

>>724394

The Game Gear version and MKII were alright.

MK4 for the Game Boy Color was the worst, though. It was like a chinese bootleg.

[Anonymous No.730776]

>>728920
What's broken exactly?

[Anonymous No.730792]

>>730771
Right now, i've got a Monk, an Assassin, and a Samurai taking down a army regiment in stolen Eva suits

WHY DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN

I just imagine Sabin wanting to chest bump Shadow after every battle, and shadow being too grimdark for that

[Anonymous No.730797]

>>729343
Are these ports good places to start the series? I've never played Ys before.

[Anonymous No.730798]

>>730486
Haha, glad you're enjoying it, anon. Sabin's a beast.
>>730771
Uncensored Japanese graphics. I'm not one for gratuitous nudity, but I support gratuitous censorship even more.

[Anonymous No.730804]

>>728875

The music's awful (and I mean REALLY AWFUL), the enemies always face you and the last third of the game is removed so you don't even go to hell.

[Anonymous No.730808]

>>730798
>even more
Derp, I meant even less. Have more Sabin.

[Anonymous No.730813]

>>730797
Ys: Oath of Felghana, Ys: Origin are said to be the best in the series. Both are available on the PC, but Oath of Felghana is also on the PSP.

[Anonymous No.730825]

>>728953
The slowed framerate was actually INTENTIONAL.

They wanted summons and shit to take just as long as in the newer games, but didn't have the budget to make new animations. So they slowed down everything that used certain SFX.

[Anonymous No.730831]

>>730825
...source? Because that is perhaps the stupidest thing I've heard since... I dunno, when was the last time Square made a press release?

[Anonymous No.730847]

>>730808
>>730798
>"A train? I thought all of Doma's railway's were destroyed"

FUCK YEAH

[Anonymous No.730858]

Surprised none of you mentioned this one. Of course it may or may not be worse depending on how you view the meaninglessly tacked on "story additions" and terrible cutscenes and such.

[Anonymous No.730861]

>>730156
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-3Oepki2W8

I've never seen this before but it may help.

[Anonymous No.730874]

>Final Fantasy VI Advance Sound Restoration hack
>The opera songs are now sung by true opera solists

WHY

[Anonymous No.730875]

>>725263
>Front Mission DS
>Bad
Front Mission DS load times aren't that bad (FM2 load times on the other hand...). It added in events and characters that ties it in with the rest of the series better, plus it's the only way you can play the USN campaign in English. The real flaw is the censorship, which every official FM localization suffers from. However, even with this, I would consider it the best FM1 version.

[Anonymous No.730873]

>>730858
Oh god no. They ruined the music. Not even the 'brought it to a lesser soundchip' ruined. The completely redo everything and throw out all the classics.

[Anonymous No.730904]

>>730861
FFTA with optimized enemies

Dude, i fucking love you man

>insanedifficulty.com

>FE 8 rebalence

OMFG

you know, i was mainly playing retrogames because i need something to do while i sit around and let my body recover from being a pro athlete and shit.

Thank you so much, internet.

What kind of coding must one learn to make these things? I feel like i must help give back to the comunity

[Anonymous No.730908]

>>730904
It varies wildly based on what platform.

You'd be best off finding out what things are of interest to communities and to you, and focus on that.

[Anonymous No.730909]

>>729172
;_;

>>729849
You don't play Legend of Mana for the combat. It really is a one player game.

[Anonymous No.731073]

>>730874
I actually really liked that.

[Anonymous No.731076]

>>730808
>>730798
So i didn't know that Meteor Strike was the renamed Surplex

Nor did i know that Ghost train was 1 hit away from defeat

I'm keeping the save file i made right beforehand, for rainy days.

God that made me laugh

[Anonymous No.731090]

>>728847
As I heard it, the "accurate" fan translations are really boring to read through. Kefka throws the word "fuck" around like it's going out of style, and has little personality beyond that. He just comes across as really low class, and isnt particularly clever at all.
You'll notice the fandom for him is almost entirely english. In Japan, nobody gives a fuck about Kefka.

You can say some shit about old translations, but at least Woosley gave off personality.

[Anonymous No.731145]

>>730861
Dude

I'm getting my ass kicked

IN THE FIRST MISSION

The goblins have double HP

My bangaa is out, my white mage is out, it's on the wire
This is awesome

[Anonymous No.731239]

>>722912
>That said, and I know no one will agree with me, but Super Castlevania IV sucks.
You have good taste.

It is a poor imitation of the real castlevania style, being both way too easy and with boring, drawn out, unfocused stages. It's still better than Rondo mind you, which had way more problems than I can be bothered listing.

[Anonymous No.731245]

>>724452
Chronicles has massively better gameplay, isn't piss easy, actually has more than two memorable songs and better stage design. You couldn't get a more watered down CV experience than CV4 if you tried.

[Anonymous No.731303]

While I can attest to the fact that twin Snakes fucked up the cut-scenes, I'm not sure if the MGS 2 game-play features improve the game or not.

Any one want to add their 2 cents?

[Anonymous No.731338]

>>731303

Example of a Twin Snake cut scene.

Originally he jest hid behind the door.

[Anonymous No.732617]

>>728642
Why couldn't they have at least given the option to turn off the voice acting? It's not like they even bothered to fully voice even the mandatory dialog or anything [or, at times, the dialog that actually ended up in the game]

[Anonymous No.732625]

>>731338
>>731303
Am I the only one that quite likes the silly cut-scenes? The gameplay add-ons make the game far to easy though

[Anonymous No.732648]

>>728592
Wow, Sasuke actually CAN hug you with nuclear arms!

[Anonymous No.732670]

>>730808
It always bugs me that the image has an incorrect menu.

[Anonymous No.732676]

>>731338
>>731303
Twin Snakes is a very bad remake. There is only one way to tolerate it I found out, just picture it as OTACON'S retelling of the events. I wish somebody would link that god damn no scope video, it was hilarious

[Anonymous No.732803]

>>732676

Ha ha, I'll make sure to do that when i play it.

[Anonymous No.732850]

>>732676

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP29E9MljaE

[Anonymous No.732871]

FF3 and 4 for DS. any good qualities they had graphically were thrown away for shitty 3D models that the PSP could have easily outdone. and yet somehow the PSP versions of them are still in 2D (maybe for the better though).

[Anonymous No.732882]

>>732871
I played FF3 on the DS and I'm gonna have to disagree with you. The models might not have been everybody's cup of tea, but I liked them, and the core gameplay of the original FF3 is all there with nothing but improvements, really.

[Anonymous No.732884]

>>732850
thank you anon, thank you.

[Anonymous No.733389]

>>731338
Why am I laughing at this, I know it was supposed to be cool.

[Anonymous No.733495]

>>731303
Kojima requested the weird cutscenes.

I personally like it, and they fixed the annoying part with the hot/cold keycard.

[Anonymous No.733562]

>>730272
Shining Force CD.

[Anonymous No.733640]

>>732676
I thought the theory went that it had to be the VR retelling.

In MGS2, Raiden goes on about how he's done VR Training extensively, including a VR reenactment of Shadow Moses, with extensive knowledge of Snake. He's also a naive doofus with a somewhat warped perception of Snake. It would make perfect sense if his VR training of the mission was Twin Snakes, an overly dramatic recreation where people did things that aren't normally possible.

[Anonymous No.733685]

Lufia DS suffers from being compared to it's excellent original, when it really ought to be judged on its own merits (Well okay, the redesign of the characters could definitely put some people off. I'm guessing someone thought the old designs were too bland and decided to go Nomura on them)

As it stands however, it's a solid Action RPG with plenty of puzzles, an excellent soundtrack and a slightly rewritten storyline. It's not the same game we played years ago, but I thought it managed to capture the "feel" of the original while still being a brand new game. It's a very literal "remake" of Lufia 2 in that sense.

Also the rewritten dialogue was outstanding.

[Anonymous No.733706]

>>722950

No, he meant PS1 sprites from Megaman 8. Lazy Capcom at their finest.

[Anonymous No.733760]

>>733706
Mega Man and Bass wasn't 'ruined' though, it was still a perfectly playable and honestly great game.
And the screen size issue wasn't nearly as much of a problem as it was with GG Mega Man.

[Anonymous No.734219]

>>729106

GLORIOUS

[Anonymous No.734245]

>>732625
yes. probably.

[Anonymous No.734252]

The Dreamcast and PSP Darkstalkers ports were awful, they just took Savior 2/Hunter 2 and added really inaccurate facsimiles of previous games' characters into it. Hyper Street Fighter 2 might have worked because Street Fighter 2's base system never really changed all that much, so the different version's characters can more or less mesh decently (even though balance issues come up when you start mixing together character iterations that were never really intended to face each other). But Darkstalkers changed too much with each game (particularly in the jump form Hunter to Savior) for such a thing to work well. And they didn't even include any of the stages or voices or winposes or anything from the first two games. Yet somehow, people who know nothing about the series seem to think that these versions have the most "content" (they don't, the PS2 version which is has complete ports of every game in the series plus extras has the most content) and used that as a pretext to boycott the PS3/360 online edition because they're butthurt about Megaman.

[Anonymous No.734283]

>>728393
The thing that gets me the worst about that port is that they CUT ANIMATION. They couldn't even trace all the graphics of an early SNES game. I mean, I get that that sprites are becoming a lost art and all, but that's just lazy.

[Anonymous No.734338]

>>734283
>weapons subtanks and armor can be bought

[Anonymous No.734567]

>Censored
>Removed the awesome multiplayer modes

The Live game-play probably WAS fun, but now I'll never know.

[Anonymous No.734584]

>>734567
That was a new game, not a rerelease or remake.

[Anonymous No.734605]

>>734584

The single player was completely the same.

[Anonymous No.734870]

>>723396
>Easy mode through the entire game. Higher difficulty (which only means more monster HP) opens up each time you beat the game. So you need to beat it twice or thrice for it to be nearly as difficult as it was before.

I...are you high? There is no difficulty in Shining Force, or even Shining Force 2. It's what made them so accessible as basic SRPGs. Take a character, grind until the exp yield goes down to 1, repeat when the yield goes back up to 20 - 48 pts. That's like stating any SF character that WASN'T Adam or Yogurt was useless—equally a lie. You could make a godhouse out of any SF chara.

[Sage01 No.734895]

>>734605
Not really, the aiming was improved and there was added content as well. Also the multiplayer got a complete facelift for the better, it was practically a very violent and whacky version of Battlefront but with furries.

[Anonymous No.734915]

>>723436
>Tbh, it isn't as bad as the fanbase makes it out to be, but it is very different, which is the key reason for most of the hate. On it's own merit it's not a bad game though.

What could be an interesting video game all on its own without "Lufia" tacked on its title was instead an entry in the franchise that was afraid of being old fashioned. It was Kingdom Hearts Lite.

No, not a bad video game...on its own. But they had to brand it because of its Generic McSafeTrend action playing style and subpar narrative. THAT's what makes it a terrible Lufia game.

[Anonymous No.735126]

>>733562
That wasn't a port. It was a full-on extension in the franchise library.

[Anonymous No.735156]

>>734584

It was a remake.

[Anonymous No.735894]

>>734895
>Also the multiplayer got a complete facelift for the better
No. No. No. NO, FUCK YOU.

[Anonymous No.736829]

>>734870
>There's no difficulty if you grind for hours
No shit Sherlock. If you play the game without gringing hours on end it has a fair difficulty. On my first playthroughs I actually only egressed when there was an emergency. The GBA remake's new game is easy and overpowers your characters no matter how much you grind or not.

[Anonymous No.736834]

>>725259
I fucking played the shit out of gameboy Killer Instinct. Actually liked it.

[Anonymous No.737616]

>>722620
I accidentally over-leveled my sword and armor in that game and killed the last boss in 4 hits. While he was doing 1 damage to me.

[Anonymous No.738668]

>>730384
wait are you saying that's bad?

[Anonymous No.738674]

>>730504
really? then why is it that i'm always called a retard when i say the same thing about kotor 2? and that chris avellone can do no wrong.

[Anonymous No.738684]

>>730653
also i feel that SaGa 2 improved on it in every way

[Anonymous No.738707]

>>735126
it remade the graphics and redid the music, had both gamegear games and 2 extra chapters

[Anonymous No.738780]

>>724563
>The Kangaroo Holy War
makes me think of kangaroos jumping about with bibles and crosses

[Anonymous No.738829]

>>728393
God I hate these lazy remakes of older games that keep showing up for iDevices. I bet they even out sourced this to some indian company, huh?

[Anonymous No.738854]

>>738829
lol, pushed the enter button when I meant to press back space, I always wanted to say that the sad part is that it could have been an amazing HD remake if they had actually put some effort into it, and also didn't try to iOS-ify it

[Anonymous No.738883]

>>723436

I'm personally getting sick and tired of the generic style JRPGs use nowadays. That "anime" style with younger designs. I don't hate anime (quite the contrary), but talking about the particular style they use for it. Like, clean baby faces, ripped up/random clothes, random accessories, retarded weapons, etc.

Take Star Ocean for example and this tech demo from tri-Ace. The style used in that will never make it to a final game. Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuXgRVMvZ0

[Anonymous No.738906]

>>738883
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuXgRVMvZ0
Too expensive. Cutesy anime style is cheap to create.

[Anonymous No.738923]

[Anonymous No.738935]

[Anonymous No.739403]

>>738935
This made up for it:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/223810/

[Anonymous No.739564]

>>738906
>>738883
This makes me more intensely want character designs inspired by Eiichiro Oda(One Piece), Naoki Urasawa(20th Century Boys), or Hajime Isayama(Shingeki no Kyojin).

[Anonymous No.740810]

>>730156
>I'm loving it. I miss FFII's whole "Make the charater whatever you want" (I AM GUY...MASTER OF MAGIC!)
Have you tried SaGa? If not then do so, made by the same people.

[Anonymous No.740813]

>>738923
Oh, come on, it wasn't bad by any means.