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7213807 No.7213807 [Reply] [Original]

Wait a minute, that tube...

>> No.7213817

kek

>> No.7214365

>>7213807
I could be misremembering but can't you actually go around and end up on top of the tube before blowing it up? I remember not being actually in the tube when I blew it up.

>> No.7214382

>>7214365
Technically I believe you can, but it's inconvenient.

>> No.7214396

>>7214382
Well when you don't know that it can be blown up you end up looking everywhere. Maybe I figured because the path went straight through the tube it should be destructible.

>> No.7214406

>>7213807
how can people act like this is cryptic when in most other superbomb locations its just some random end of a wall or point in the floor that either looks odd or you have to bomb to see.

This is the only one that actually makes sense why you would use a superbomb there.

>> No.7214418

>>7214406
I first tried to bomb it with a regular bomb, many times, and just figured it's indestructible.

>> No.7214428

>>7214396
it seems like they kinda purposefully designed super metroid in a way where, if you can use the less spelled-out mechanics like the wall jump properly, you can manage to get yourself into all kinds of places youre not necessarily meant to be in yet

what a well-designed game tho holy shit
i still remember the first time i figured out how to do a crystal flash.

>> No.7214950

>>7213807
How were you supposed to know samus could breathe underwater

I kept going back to brinstar after 2 minutes so she wouldn't drown. My littler brother unpaused the game when I was doing chores and that's the only way I found out it was safe. Fucking bullshit

>> No.7215097

>>7214406
Yup. I think the same thing every time i see this stupid fucking thread. Zoomer dipshits

>> No.7216247

>>7213807
They spoiled it in the commercial for the game.

>> No.7216281

Reminder that you can access Maridia from Crateria via the forgotten highway so you don’t even need to break it.

>> No.7216547

>>7214950
She's wearing a space suit, anon.
Also, Mario and Donkey Kong don't drown, why would Samus?

>> No.7216584

>>7216281
You have to bomb the tube to reach the bosses no matter how you get into Maridia.

>> No.7218270

just use 51 super missles idiot

>> No.7218292
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>>7216547
>Mario and Donkey Kong don't drown

>> No.7218303

>>7213807
From that perspective she's already outside the tube retard.

>> No.7218312

>>7218292
That's on 3D games, in the SNES and at the time of Super Metroid's release, Mario didn't drown on udnerwater levels, neither did Donkey Kong, with the oxygen gauge being an unnecessary element in Tropical Freeze.

>> No.7218324

>>7214365
You can get into maridia from the wrecked ship but it's not possible to progress unless you use the pause button jump glitch.

>> No.7218340

>>7213807
You are supposed to watch the commercials.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrACWQvzHw
You did watch them.... right /vr/?

>> No.7218495
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7218495

>>7213807

>> No.7218551

>>7214406
What helps is that it's a suspicious looking location that serves no real purpose and clearly has explorable space above and below it. If there were several tubes identical to this that you couldn't break and this one just happened to be breakable then, yeah, it would make sense to call it out. But the way it's actually implemented clearly guides you to try shattering the thing. And since you only have a handful of weapons and it takes just one power bomb, I don't see how anyone could get stuck.

>> No.7218560

>>7213807
Lucas Art Proudly Presents :
Samus & Max, Super Metroids

>> No.7218635

>>7214428
>crystal flash.
?

>> No.7218656

>>7214406
That's not what the game defines as a breakable wall. Breakable walls in Super Metroid are all blocks, and can be scanned for further details. This is a unique situation completely for the game.

Took me about an hour of wandering around when I was 14 to figure this out back in the 90s, and it wasn't the first thing I tried to randomly superbomb to see if something would happen.

>> No.7218678

>>7218656
Did you not notice the broken tube?

>> No.7218693

>>7218678
Not an indication of what to do, though. Metroid clearly defined breakable walls as blocks you can scan and then made an exception.

>> No.7218775

>>7218693
>I'm an idiot
k

>> No.7218873

>>7218324
no that's wrong, wrecked ship is a kind of normal way to get into maridia, and THEN you are shown previously-blown-up tubes, and THEN you fall out of the ceiling back into the tube and blow it up.

You can blow up the tube early, but you can't do anything because you don't have gravity yet. I blew up the tube early cause I thought that's what I was supposed to do. You are rewarded with a map and an extra save point if you do it.

>> No.7218875

>>7218635
I think this is one of the things you're supposed to read about in the manual.

>> No.7218898

>>7218775
Yes, you are, stay mad about a common gameplay observation.

>> No.7218904

>>7218873
>THEN you fall out of the ceiling back into the tube
oh yeah actually i remember this part. you actually need the pause jump to go through maridia from the tube without the gravity suit thats in the wrekced ship

>> No.7218940

>>7218656
I got stuck for a while too. I never made the connection with the broken tube or how the crabs in that room always dropped Power Bombs when killed, but I just decided to drop one for a laugh and initially nothing happened. Then I moved a pixel and it all shattered.

You ever notice that every Metroid game since has a glass tube you have to Power Bomb to break?

>> No.7218943

>>7218898
>l..lots of other people are as dumb as I am!

>> No.7218953

>>7218943
lmao, yes you clearly want to think you're part of a crowd, but in fact it's really just you that's retarded.

Hey next time you want to just be a retard, it's standard practice to post a reaction image you got from /v/ or /b/.

>> No.7218956
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>>7216584
bombing the tube lets you go to a save point

>> No.7218989

>>7218875
i dont even think its in the manual
if you watch the demo itll show it
it burns 10 of each ammo and fully heals you iirc

>> No.7219051

>>7218989
but you also have to press a specific button combination and not have more than a certain amount of ammo. things that a demo can't explain.

>> No.7219079

>>7219051
Eh? You can do it with full ammo.

>> No.7219094

>>7219051
yea its a stupid obtuse mechanic and the only reason i know about it is because of the internet
i never had a manual

>> No.7219145

>>7219079
right, I was misremembering. but you do need to be bellow 50 hp.
the point still stands as the demo can't show you which buttons you need to press, so you needed the power, nintendo power.

>> No.7219217

SM did have some absolutely amazing mechanics though, damage boosting, shine spark, ability to morph while airborne. Still such a fascinating game.

>> No.7219471

>>7218340
No, I zoom.

>> No.7220843

>>7218678
There are loads of broken props everywhere in the game, followed by intact ones. This is not an indication that YOUR abilities break it. If this is your only point, you now have to admit that you were wrong because of the very large quantity of counterexamples to it in the game.

>> No.7220905

>>7213807
I never understand how Samus was able to wrap himself into a ball, wouldn’t his body collapse?

>> No.7221060

>>7220905
isnt there something about that in metroid prime? the pirates trying to replicate the morph ball and shit, most of their experiments end in failure because they literally crush themselfs to death. doesnt explain how samus does it tho.

>> No.7221159

>>7220905
Metroid is very flexible because he has hollow bones like a bird.

>> No.7221191

The fact that this Willyvania still filters zoomers to this day is testament to the genius of Gunpei. Retards who weren't dropping power bombs in every empty room at this point in the game should be sterilized though, 2bh.

>> No.7222121

>>7220905
It's almost as though 250 missiles fitting into a gun wrapped around your arm makes equal sense.

>> No.7223147

>>7214406
If you scan the tube with the X-Ray Scope it's transparent, suggesting it can be destroyed

>> No.7223248

>>7220843
hey i just bombed the glass tube because it seemed like it was worth a try and it worked. if you needed a red arrow or something saying bomb here then maybe you should just stick to mario

>> No.7223250

How are we supposed to know who to attack in the game? There's no special markers on the creatures to indicate that they're bad. The only way to find out is to get hit by them and die. This kind of artificial difficulty is the worst kind of game design.

>> No.7223262

>>7223250
i kept falling in spikes and dying because there was no sign next to them that said to jump. boy if you jumped over those spikes you must be a really mentally challenged retard

>> No.7223715

>>7213807
other than exhausting every possible option and starting to blow up shit, cause you have no clue what to do as a first time player, how exactly are you supposed to find out you can break this? are there some subtle in world visual cues/ story telling on how to do it, like the area with the animals?

>> No.7223745

>>7223715
All I can say is that I bombed the pipe with no hints. Back in the day we had no choice but to solve the puzzles in games. This was not really a very hard one. But the game does give you some incredibly obvious hints if you go through the wrecked ship.

>> No.7223747
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7223747

>>7223715
>are there some subtle in world visual cues/ story telling on how to do it

>> No.7223786

>>7223745
>>7223747
ah that's clever, maybe a little too subtle for some but still it's there, very nice. Thanks for clearing this up.
I always found it weird that a game this well made wouldn't have some sort of visual queue to let the player know, like it would've betray itself for not following it's own level design "philosophy"?, i think. I guess it was mostly the player's fault for not noticing it/paying closer attention.

>> No.7223796

I think if the game changed the walkway music to maridia's music and had a fish or crab outside the tube this would never be a contentious topic

>> No.7223803

>>7223786
I think most players don't leave the Wrecked Ship the intentional way. if they did, they'd eventually access the map room for Maridia and see that the save room >>7218956 has only one way to enter it.

>> No.7224615

>>7213807
I figured this out my first time, anyone who didn't is retarded

>> No.7225998

>>7224615
This. It is so obvious what to do.

>> No.7226012

>>7218340
Didn't air in my country.

>> No.7226020

>>7221060
Yes, actually Prime shows the Pirate Research Team as a bunch of retards who do stupid shit in the name of SCIENCE and they need the High Command (Ridley, Kraid, Mother Brain) to tell tem to stop fucking doing that. They were losing manpower trying to replicate the Morph Ball.

>> No.7226028
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7226028

Zoomers also think the way you get inside of Jabu Jabu is cryptic. Imagine not being able to understand that big fish eat small fish. The game even goes a step further to retard proof this by clearly alluding to the fact that Ruto, a fish person, is inside of Jabu Jabu. Not to mention how the Zora's Domain shop makes it a point to highlight how it sells fish.

>> No.7226793

the commercial for the game spoils this but you're obviously all faggot zoomers and wouldnt know about that LMAO

>> No.7227839

>>7223747
See >>7220843
This is fully refuted. There are loads of counterexamples to this in the game, it's therefore not an indication whatsoever.

>> No.7227848

>>7226028
Isn't this literally an altar to make an offering at? There are barely any other things that are even possible to offer in the game.

>> No.7227857

>>7227839
>There are loads of counterexamples to this in the game
post one

>> No.7227969

>>7227857
He said there are several counterexamples, the burden is on you to prove him wrong.

>> No.7229405

>>7227969
that's not really correct. he should be able to produce at least one "counter example" if there are so many.

>> No.7229490

>>7229405
I reviewed the entire Super Metroid map and there are no other broken tubes like >>7223747

>> No.7229498

>>7218340
It is also on the demo reel.

>> No.7229536

Goddamn kill yourselves you could only be pretending to be retarded at this point, what the fuck does that prove, that you're a braindead moron? Well congrats, punk.

>> No.7229556

>>7229536
>To kill yourself, press X
they need all the help they can get

>> No.7229590

>>7223747
This doesn't show you that your bombs can do it.

>> No.7229604

>>7229590
>subtle
>clues

>> No.7229616

>>7229604
Maybe a little too subtle.
Nintendo wasn't very good at designing kids' games, you pretty much have to be an adult to play them intuitively.

>> No.7229743

>>7214406
first time I played Super I got stuck at this spot and just left the game entirely. then when someone told me what to do I couldn't figure out how to get back to the fucking tube to actually do it

>> No.7229857

>>7223803
By "intentional way", I assume you mean out the back end and into Maridia? The problem with that being the "intentional way" is that the game drops you back in Brinstar at the ship's entrance after you get the Gravity Suit.

>> No.7229868

>>7229857
And you're expected to have found the spot inside the ship where the water keeps you from jumping over a wall and going out the other side, so curiosity would naturally lead you to return. Even I figured that part out.

>> No.7229898

>>7229857
Actually, looking at the map I take that back. Going out the back of Wrecked Ship, the only path to progress in Maridia is to take the tube down. Go right for Springball and a dead end, go straight left to find a busted tube, and a gate that can only be opened from the other side.
Go back to busted tube room, and see that it has crabs coming up through the floor, signaling to go through that way. Also, said crabs ONLY drop powerbombs when killed. Go through the floor to the right to get the map, which would show that there is more explorable area directly above/below the tube room. The hints are all there.
Even without that, The only people that got stuck here are the same ones that "got stuck" in that room in Brinstar with the disappearing bridge/spikes.

>> No.7229936

>>7229898
This is correct. Even if you went all the way back to Brinstar just to look at the tube and go “hrrm, why can’t I proceed?” there’s still unexplored blue map sections of both Wrecked Ship and Crateria to explore.

>> No.7230083

>>7229616
yeh but this wasn't a kids game

>> No.7230095

>>7229898
also, IMMEDIATELY after you see the busted tubes, it drops you down into the hallway one screen to the right of the intact tube. there is literally nowhere else to go but through the tube.

This is actually one of my favorite game puzzles. I have kind of a mental list of good game puzzles/ The best ones require some thinking, aren't impossibly difficult, and are rewarding to solve.

>> No.7230198

>>7213807
The answer is that the automap gives it up. It's evident the room is bigger than just the tube from it.

>> No.7231218
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7231218

I don't see any other broken tubes

>> No.7231307

>>7220905
He turns himself into energy

>> No.7231369

Did anyone else get Mandela'd thinking that the tube shattering was shown in attract mode?

>> No.7231407

>>7231218
there is only one broken tube. I thought there were two. It's up and to the right of the tube.

>> No.7231408

>>7231369
Probably because it was in the commercials in the US
>>7216247
>>7218340

>> No.7231415

>>7231407
Correct, and if you took the forgotten highway from the Wrecked Ship, you would take the elevator tube to either the springball and dead end or be spat out at the intact tube.

>> No.7233236

>doesn’t superbomb every screen

>> No.7233434
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7233434

That tube is clearly on a different map (Maridia) than the rest of Brinstar. That should make it very obvious that there's something to be done there. Otherwise, the tube would be part of Brinstar.

>> No.7233610

>>7222121
The ammo is stored as energy. It doesn't materialize until fired.

>> No.7233957

>>7233610
Then why isn't ammo interchangeable?

>> No.7233998

>>7233957
Transfer is inefficient, hence the crystal flash

>> No.7234436

>>7227969
Thats not how burden of proof works you retard.

>> No.7235427

>>7218324
you don't need to glitch anything to get there.

>> No.7236464

>>7233998
It can fill multiple energy tanks with only 10 of each kind. Thats pretty good to me.

>> No.7238234

>>7235427
There’s no way to get above the tube unless you break it