BEAT EM UPS THREAD

[Anonymous No.7203691]

I haven't played a beat em up game in over 20 years I think, what are your FAVOURITES? I remembered playing a game with a baby in a mech suit when I was a kid and I'm excited that I found out what game it was. Also, did anyone play this game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gr_E80ZhDQ
I also remember playing a beat em up that had upgrades and creepy enemies but I cant remember the name.

[Anonymous No.7203773]

Undercovers Cop, Legends and Night Slasher

[Anonymous No.7203793]

>>7203691
My favourite beat em up is Battletoads.

[Anonymous No.7203826]

>>7203773
both look really cool, especially legends and night slasher
>>7203793
I havent played it but I saw it mentioned a lot, maybe I should give it a try

[Anonymous No.7203846]

>>7203826
If you like climbing snakes it's definitely for you.

[Anonymous No.7203937]

I will recommend one per company:

Capcom: Alien vs Predator
Konami: Violent Storm
Sega: Golden Axe The Revenge of Death Adder
SNK: Sengoku 3
Technos Japan: River City Ransom
Irem: Undercover Cops

[Anonymous No.7203978]

I'll focus on arcade ones :
Ninja Baseball Bat-Man
The Punisher
Alien vs Predator
Battletoads (the arcade one, not the NES one)
Sailor Moon (the arcade one, console ones are pure crap)
Undercover Cops
X-Men (the 6-player one, if you can bring 5 friends it's fucking awesome. Solo runs are boring AF)

[Anonymous No.7204020]

>>7203691
Captain Commando is my favorite

[Anonymous No.7204030]

>>7203691
The BEAT EM UPS games of CPS1 and CPS2 is very classic to me. I have played many times and I am not tired of playing (thanks MAME)

[Anonymous No.7204157]

What makes a good beat em up? I havent really played this genre at all except when I was a kid and I found them to be pretty retarded button mashers that sometimes looked interesting artstyle-wise.

[Anonymous No.7204195]

>>7204157
they're all retarded button mashers if you credit feed and don't know what the hell you're doing

if you git even slightly gud you will appreciate a balanced moveset and well-designed enemies and gameplay that requires you to think on your feet and react to what's going on instead of spamming mindless cheese tactics

also I still like nice art and music

[Anonymous No.7204218]

Just played Zero Team that got released on Switch.

Super impressive for what? '93?

[Anonymous No.7204317]

>>7204195
What's a good beat em up and a bad beat em up that I can try for comparison?

[Anonymous No.7204345]

>>7204317
Good: Alien Versus Predator
Bad: Maximum Carnage

[Anonymous No.7204518]

>>7204157
Like the other anon said, credit feeding turns any arcade from a game into a toy; per the definition, if there is no competition, there is no game, and if there is no potential to lose or even be set back, there is no competition.

Final Fight (arcade version) is my personal favorite. Each enemy has clear weaknesses and strengths, with certain abilities being better answers to them, although not devolving into a simple game of Simon Says (i.e. in certain situations you actually will want to use an attack that's normally considered "bad' against them). This is then fulfilled in the different compositions of enemies, either covering each other's weaknesses or really focusing on a given strength from different angles (e.g. the Andores and the fat guys both are offense-oriented and have charging attacks, but operate differently and use their charging attacks is somewhat different ways, plus Andore uses his basic punch more often). The first level is just kind of a tutorial, but meaningful compositions start appearing in stage 2--the very first enemy encounter combines slow, strong enemies who can block with fast, nimble ones who can leap over and behind the player. This calls for defensive tactics, while some groups might demand the player to rush in instead, lest Holly Wood throw knives at you or do his dive attack from across the screen. Boss fights are kind of lame though imo and you don't miss much by cheesing with the infinite punch glitch. Battle Circuit is kind of the opposite, with good bosses but pointless grunt encounters.

It's a very strategic genre when you have a small pool of lives to defend instead of getting to brute force it all.

[Anonymous No.7204559]

>>7204317
Final Fight anon again. Obviously I'd recommend FF, though it really only starts to show its worth once you get an understanding of all of your abilities; if you're really interested in the genre, stick with it for a bit. If you aren't willing to acquire the taste then maybe the genre isn't for you.

Konami's licensed bemups were understandably popular due to being technologically impressive and full of references, but haven't really stood the test of time. Throws are random/not manually done like in FF or most Capcom bemups; in those, it was a maneuver that was sort of risky (you had to walk directly into an enemy to grab them, so you had to make sure you wouldn't just get hit on your way) but rewarded with decent damage and one of a precious few defensive options since it allowed for crowd control in the form of an informal projectile along with invincibility frames, but it's just part of a combo in X-Men and TMNT. Thus, not only is it one less option to do on command, but it always tosses the target backward, making it hard to properly manage crowds, when crowd control is ordinarily the most important part of bemup combat. Not only that, but the physics are wacky and inconsistent (compare jump attacks in X-Men or TMNT to Final Fight's) and the strikes don't have as much of a feeling of impact as they should, making it not only less satisfying but harder to tell when you actually landed a hit (which is important because attacking from a distance makes those accursed auto-throws less likely to happen). Enemy variety is also much less emphasized iirc, resulting in less interesting compositions and overall less tactical combat.

If stuff like The Simpsons and X-Men made up most of your experience, then I can't blame you for having found them to be "pretty retarded button mashers that sometimes looked interesting artstyle-wise."

[Anonymous No.7204564]

>>7204559
Pff right, like Final Fight is any better. How delusional you have to be?

[Anonymous No.7204575]

>>7204317
On the Genesis
Good: Streets of Rage 2
Bad: Anet Futatabi

[Anonymous No.7204582]

>>7204559
>but it's just part of a combo in X-Men and TMNT
If it wasn't clear: in something like FF, mashing attack against an enemy will do a basic couple of strikes, ending in a strong hit that causes a knockdown. Alternately, the player can walk into the opponent and doing so will result in a grab, from which the player can throw the enemy in either direction. In TMNT and X-Men, mashing attack may result in a backwards throw rather than a regular finisher into knockdown, and there is no way to simply go right in for a grab and a deliberate throw.

It's much harder/less intuitive to design enemies who might be particularly weak to or strong against throws this way, and those sort of weaknesses and strengths were important to the enemy variety of FF, which of course would play into player tactics for given mobs.

[Anonymous No.7204586]

>>7204564
>How delusional you have to be?
You tell me. What's wrong with the arguments I put forth? Did you actually read either of my posts? Sure, they're a little long, but I did the best I could to describe just why FF is "any better"

[Anonymous No.7204589]

>>7204586
Final Fight is so shallow rapid fire is considered an enormous advantage. It's a one button game.

[Anonymous No.7204608]

>>7204589
Try to get through the first encounter in stage 3 without using jumps, special attack, or throws. Enemies of various kinds are constantly spawning on either side and you'll get you ass beat in posthaste if all you do is basic combo.

[Anonymous No.7204615]

>>7204608
It's shit.

[Anonymous No.7204657]

>>7204615
Seems like I struck a nerve. Guess the argument is over, time to go play videogames or something.

I'll just leave with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skhoqmvl8s8
Yes, he uses a turbo button. Yes, it's a very efficient option. Thing is, it's only "efficient," it's not like it overrides the mobs or their strengths--only after the enemies are all corralled into one spot or all but one are defeated can he let loose, meaning that the battle had already been effectively won by that point; beat em ups are about crowd control, and the crowd had been decisively controlled by then. Even then, he only was able to let loose after making proper use of throws, both kinds of jump attacks, the special move, and weapons/spacing in order to get to the point at which he could let turbo rip (and even THEN it wasn't always enough, as sometimes he'd get him from offscreen by a Gato/Holly Wood slide attack when he was mashing turbo).

You're free to enjoy Konami beat em ups if you want, but FF is undeniably a tactical game.

[Anonymous No.7204725]

>>7203773
If you like night slasher there is an openbor version of it that just rocks ! Corpses don't disappear, more moves and mechanics ! ( But the author changed the woman for some reason) and kick ass soundtracks ! I personally liked it but I have to admit it was my introduction to the game before the original arcade.

[Anonymous No.7204906]

How do I emulate dungeons and dragons SOM boys? I'm clueless.

[Anonymous No.7204923]

>>7204906
mame

[Anonymous No.7204924]

>>7204589
>It's a one button game.
oh no he's retarded

[Anonymous No.7204943]

>>7204923
I downloaded mame but I have no idea how to use it or where to get the rom from. I normally get roms from vimm but it doesnt have arcade.

[Anonymous No.7205021]

>>7204317
>>7204657
I like Golden Axe but I guess it kinda sucks if I'm honest

>>7204906
You could also buy it

[Anonymous No.7205056]

Had a little giggle at this earlier today.

[Anonymous No.7205087]

>>7204943
Long solution : download a Mame set and it's corresponding mame version ( mame 0.214 and the 0.214 set for example )
Short solution : download romstation and get individual roms ! ( It's romstation dot fr but it's in english afak ! )

[Anonymous No.7205090]

>>7203937
>SNK: Sengoku 3
I wish they would give this series more love

[Anonymous No.7205313]

>>7203826
Play the arcade battletoads or battletoads & Double dragon, i mean those are the only ones that are actual beat em ups
>>7203691
Anyways my all time favourite is cadillacs n dinosaurs, the controls are tight, responsive and perfectly agile and intuitive, the spritework is beautiful, top tier Capcom, real shame its never been ported

[Anonymous No.7205317]

>>7203691
I say you should play the punisher
>>7203937
Based list, you re a real cool cat anon

[Anonymous No.7205327]

>>7204317
Good : final fight
Bad : crime fighters

[Anonymous No.7205332]

>>7204518
Based post
>>7203691
Double dragon advance on GBA really was the series last good retro game

[Anonymous No.7205337]

>>7205056
What is it with video game media and hating the beat em up genre.

[Anonymous No.7205343]

>>7204589
You sure you arent talking about metamorphic force or any other colourful tmnt reskin konami released

[Anonymous No.7205350]

>>7204906
Winkawaks, best cps1 cps2 neo geo emulator out there

[Anonymous No.7205360]

>>7205350
It's shit

[Anonymous No.7205364]

>>7205360
Yeah thats your opinion but whatever, its the easiest one to use, for practical purposes its definitely what anon's looking for

[Anonymous No.7205420]

>>7205337
It's a genre that's easy to hop right into and have fun, but also easy to get disillusioned with quickly by approaching it the wrong way. It makes sense that people who spend some but not lots of time would wind up thinking that it's just a shallow genre if they don't give it all the time it needs.

Not to mention that the market was admittedly flooded with tons of mediocre schlock back when it was trendy

[Anonymous No.7205432]

sup bitches. just downloaded the english patched version from cd romance. is Shin Nekketsu Kouha: Kunio-Tachi no Baka any good?

[Anonymous No.7206224]

[Anonymous No.7206245]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0e69e_B_SE

[Anonymous No.7206268]

>>7204518
>>7204559
>>7204586
no one asked for these blog posts wtf
you should like an autistic guy named ric from disscord

[Anonymous No.7206269]

>>7206268
*sound
but should also works lol

[Anonymous No.7206297]

>>7204589
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Final Fight is a very deep arcade game. It has few moves, but the game requires much more skill than most beat'em ups that came after it.

[Anonymous No.7206305]

[Anonymous No.7206326]

>>7204657
>posts a positive example
>Immediate backjump despawning exploit

Wow such tactics! Look man, I agree with you. I love final fight and golden axe and other beat em ups with effective tactical approaches that can be learned but posting a video were the first move is to minimize the amount playing you have to do makes it looks terrible.
Yes, i know its minimizing the risks taken in a serious attempt but only people who are already into the genre are going to care let alone appreciate what the player is trying to do.
The only way to show people that beat em ups have worth is to encourage them to have a handful of credits, no continues, and see how far they get each time. If one tactic clicks, even one, then there is a good chance that they will understand why people like it. That's the least you should aim for. If luck strikes, they might even come to like it themselves.

[Anonymous No.7206384]

>>7206305
nice save state practice

[Anonymous No.7206408]

>>7206384
Nope. It's legit. I recorded it from a Chinese 1cc mame replay. Not my first time posting it.

[Anonymous No.7206421]

>>7206408
Either way skipping in that zone isn't as easy as it looks, if you fuck up you are done, and the wall jump for guy is useful in like 3 sections of the whole game, he's still the weakest character.

[Anonymous No.7206425]

>>7206421
Did I say anything about difficulty or Guy's effectiveness, smart ass?

[Anonymous No.7206428]

>>7206425
don't care, just giving context.

[Anonymous No.7206430]

>>7206428
Okay.

[Anonymous No.7207860]

>>7206305
This is so pleasing to watch.

[Anonymous No.7207948]

>>7205337
The 90's magazines were often shitting all over arcades games a whole. They didn't understand the beauty of 2D classic gaming. Most beatemups and shmup were always thrashed on. Even godtier fighting games from Capcom had sometimes harsh reviews. All they wanted was RPGs.

[Anonymous No.7208081]

>>7205337
>What is it with video game media and hating the beat em up genre.
99% are unintelligent and never figured out how to play them so they storm in mashing buttons waggling sticks getting destroyed then blame the game...

[Anonymous No.7208143]

>>7203691
>what are your FAVOURITES
Streets of Rage 2
Tekken 3
Godhand

[Anonymous No.7208261]

>>7208143

[Anonymous No.7209242]

>>7203978
>X-Men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZDSkkQNrNc
I miss FudRuckers

[Anonymous No.7209257]

>>7208143
Unironically based

>>7208261
U a muppet

[Anonymous No.7209283]

>>7203978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoqYtmnrsSQ
this is the soundtrack I met to look for.

[Anonymous No.7209287]

>>7204317
http://www.punchpedia.com/games/list.php

[Anonymous No.7209294]

>>7203691
Just played Mad Stalker via the recently released Mega Drive port. Short but sweet.

[Anonymous No.7209404]

>>7209294
I'm playing it on ps1.
Set difficulty to hard and it's p decent

[Anonymous No.7209460]

Why are Neo Geo beat em ups so shitty?

[Anonymous No.7209565]

>>7203793
What did you think of the new one? I actually kind of liked it but that might just be because I beat it with my 4 year old and it was a nice little bonding moment.

[Anonymous No.7209576]

>>7204218
Is it good? They added a bunch of really trash beatem ups lately so I stopped checking them out. Brawl Brothers was so fucking lousy it broke something in my brain.

[Anonymous No.7209605]

>>7205337
They really weighted the value proposition of buying games back then so a relatively short 1-2 hour game seemed like a waste by their thinking.

They were closer to consumer reviews than artistic ones. It's why long ass RPGs all got great ratings.

[Anonymous No.7209607]

>>7206224
Why was SoR3 so hard? I could never beat it as a child.

[Anonymous No.7210092]

>>7209257
nah i just clear a lot of bmups, those are PEAK plebian choices.

>>7209607
because you didnt think, utilize the mechanics.

[Anonymous No.7210119]

>>7210092
>godhand is pleb
back to /v/

[Anonymous No.7211432]

>>7203691
>what are your FAVOURITES?
Final Fight is a classic but Captain Commando & Cadillacs and Dinosaurs are Capcom's finest

[Anonymous No.7211580]

>>7211432
>>7205313
C&D is a CPS1.5/dash system. Hoping for a SNES port.

[Anonymous No.7211748]

>>7209607
the western release is harder, Sega of America may have gone too far in a few places

[Anonymous No.7211862]

>>7203691
How do I get good with Kurokishi in Guardians? What's her gameplan? How can she get rid of the tankier enemies in later stages with how little damage her combos do?

[Anonymous No.7211881]

>>7211862
Better OC than Chinese lady in Night Slasher X

[Anonymous No.7211936]

god it's so fucking good you guys

[Anonymous No.7211954]

BATTLE CIRCUIT IS OVERRATED

[Anonymous No.7212040]

>>7211954
I didn't think anybody liked it

That and the mech one

[Anonymous No.7212208]

>>7211936
Yeah I can agree to that I really enjoyed it

[Anonymous No.7212215]

>>7212040
you're kidding me? armored warriors is popular among bmup fags.

[Anonymous No.7212285]

>>7211954
The boss fights and abilities are cool and impress novices, but really bemups are mostly about crowd control and there just is none. Fun every once in a while even still.

[Anonymous No.7212296]

>>7209460
Would also be interested in hearing if there's any reason beyond simple circumstance, if there is any explanation beyond "devs just tried and failed"

[Anonymous No.7212780]

>>7209460
Historically SNK were a lot more uneven than people seem to realize

[Anonymous No.7214546]

>>7209460
>>7212780
I think it's mostly due to the fact that the beatem up trend died when SNK got really good at making games, and even there, SNK are good at fighting games specifically. ( And pixel art ofc ! )

[Anonymous No.7214623]

>>7211954
Nobody cares about it though, but yeah it's not Capcom's best.

[Anonymous No.7214789]

>>7204575
Anet was a fucking disappointment after El Viento.

[Anonymous No.7215003]

Streets of Rage 4

[Anonymous No.7215014]

>>7214546
I don't know why they fell for the fighter meme THAT hard, even in the mid 90s other stuff was being made. I still like Mutation Nation

[Anonymous No.7215041]

>>7209607
Western release got the difficutly jacked so you couldn't just rent it and beat it over a weekend. Jap version is a lot better, try it.

[Anonymous No.7215109]

>>7203937
River City Ransom has yet to be topped, IMO. Beat em up with rpg elements!

[Anonymous No.7215117]

>>7215041
>Jap version is a lot better
pleb

[Anonymous No.7215143]

>>7211862
You gotta play fast anon, constantly hopping around n kicking

[Anonymous No.7215154]

>>7215014
They were doing something quite unique...also don't forget, they were selling the hardware too! They had their numbers and I guess that's what was selling the most.

[Anonymous No.7215158]

Violent storm has some of the nicest gameplay in the whole genre, its my golden beat em up standard

[Anonymous No.7215162]

>>7215158

[Anonymous No.7215168]

The Ninja Saviors: Return of the Warriors is p good, is it retro though?

[Anonymous No.7215178]

Wtf was wrong with double dragon 2?

[Anonymous No.7215469]

>>7215168
Remakes are very retro and that is a nice game

>>7215178
Why does that dude disintegrate

[Anonymous No.7215529]

Has anyone done an arcade beatemup clears difficulty ranking like the shmup one?

[Anonymous No.7216615]

>>7203691
>what are your FAVOURITES

Honestly SOR 1 and 2 are the best. If fan made games are allowed than SOR remake tops all I ever played. SOR 3 American version sucks unfortunately thanks to the sponge bosses. Just feel like SOR had the best gameplay feel in this entire genre.

[Anonymous No.7216660]

>>7216615
>SOR 3 American version sucks
shitty music compared to 2 and the combat feels stiff

[Anonymous No.7216675]

>>7203691
>what are your FAVOURITES?
none
I don't respect games that reward playing the same way every time.

[Anonymous No.7216698]

>>7216675
except tetrisfags do the same? the only way you can get better at it is with consistent strategies

[Anonymous No.7216706]

>>7215143
So it comes down to pure fundamentals, right? Damn, even Zeldia has some good moves despite having low health and damage, but the blonde pure honest character is exposing me lol

[Anonymous No.7216717]

>>7215529
As far as I know, no. Beat'em ups are more forgiving and I don't know any bmup community as austitical as the shmup one. The closest that did it would be Punch Pedia or the bmup filter on Gamefaqs.

[Anonymous No.7216724]

>>7208143
>Godhand

Amazing game and I wish that it set a template or trend for more 3D beat em up games. Sadly 3D beat em ups are largely bland or even terrible. Godhand can be extremely repetitive though to a fault. Its only real negative imo.

[Anonymous No.7216745]

>>7216675
AND YOU POST TGM LMFAO

[Anonymous No.7217062]

>>7215158
>>7215162
BEAUTY IS POWER!

[Anonymous No.7217070]

>>7215003
BASED