/rpcg/ Retro PC General - Pentium Pillar Edition

[Anonymous No.7179310]

[Anonymous No.7179316]

>Runs all of your Win9x games

[Anonymous No.7179382]

>general
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.7180001]

>>7179310
Is there a good high refresh 1440p or 4k monitor that would work good with retro builds?

[Anonymous No.7180024]

>>7180001
VGA's maximum is 1080p.

[Anonymous No.7180030]

>>7179382
>Dies on /vg/ in under half an hour for not being gachashit

[Anonymous No.7180052]

>>7179310
Very nice. I've considered getting my own to run old windows OS games, but it seems like it's a doomed task because don't the components die eventually?

[Anonymous No.7180059]

Take the yamaha ymf7xx pill and ditch the isa sluts

[Anonymous No.7180314]

>>7180024
I did output 1920x1200 to a FW900 via VGA, but what I really meant was that some older graphics cards will not be able to output at that high of a resolution. At the acceptable resolutions of the day like 320x200, 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768 is there a non-CRT monitor I could get which scales that output well? I figure a 1440p and 4k screen could have enough pixels to display the old resolutions without added blurriness.

[Anonymous No.7180664]

>>7180024
absolutely false, moron. I did run 2048x1536 on an IBM CRT with VGA.

[Anonymous No.7180674]

This fucking video card.

[Anonymous No.7180690]

>>7180674
..was shit they put into every prebuilt.

[Anonymous No.7181476]

>>7180059
thanks phil

[Anonymous No.7181621]

>>7180001
Redpill me on the Aureal cards, are they good for anything but A3D?
Also are those tualatins?

[Anonymous No.7181626]

If you want a PCI card with a good OPL clone and dos support, go for the ESS Solo-1

[Anonymous No.7181628]

>>7179310
That looks nice. I'd play Deer Avenger on it.

[Anonymous No.7182151]

>>7179310
>mouse port on front of tower
But why?

[Anonymous No.7182165]

>>7182151
Why not? It's more convenient than the back.
This old idea of hiding ports thankfully is dying out. It's a fucking computer, no shit it's got stuff sticking into it.

[Anonymous No.7182170]

>>7182165
A game port I could understand, but how often do you swap out a mouse?

[Anonymous No.7182179]

>>7182151
>mouse port
It's called a serial port
People back then used it like we do USB right now, lots of devices had to be connected to that port. So it was convenient to have it on the front.

[Anonymous No.7182370]

>>7182179
A friend of mine had one of those goofy late 90s Compaqs, with all the colors and the tumor looking speakers on the monitor, that had a front mounted serial port. Convenient for his digital camera which did NOT have USB.

[Anonymous No.7182469]

>>7179310
Oh wow, this is weird. Usually I point people here but...
>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.7182476]

>>7181621
>Also are those tualatins?
Not him, but they likely are. However some late Coppermines have the heatsink on them.

[Anonymous No.7182485]

>>7180030
Not my problem. Post it in the right place or don’t post it period.

[Anonymous No.7182502]

>>7179316
Except it'll get BTFO by anything on Lithtech and it's a tad weak for Deus Ex, but yeah, it's pretty good.

[Anonymous No.7182506]

>>7182469
/g/ isn't really interested in retro hardware, other than posting retro images.

[Anonymous No.7182517]

>>7180059
I did this as a no ISA cope, and as nice as it is when it works there's a good amount of games that will crash the system when they talk to that DSDMA TSR for sound blaster support. ISA is absolutely essential if you're serious about DOS compatibility. Lotta things I end up running on my XP partition with DOSbox. With a CRT using the game's native res it's a nice silver medal anyway.

[Anonymous No.7182518]

>>7180674
Its a great DOS card

[Anonymous No.7182538]

>>7181626
As I said
>>7182517
You will hit walls on any TSR-shit soundcards but yes, emu10k, YMF, and ESS cards will get you about 90% of the way but the 10% will come up more often than you think.

[Anonymous No.7182571]

What's the best VLB card?

[Anonymous No.7182590]

>>7180314
BASED Micron memories

[Anonymous No.7182607]

>>7180314
Voodoo3 is pretty much overkill for a DOS setup

[Anonymous No.7182614]

>>7182607
but it does the job well in one slot, and 9x as a bonus.

[Anonymous No.7182652]

I want an Amiga 500 so bad.

[Anonymous No.7182689]

>>7182652
too old for me. I was alive at the time, but wasn't out of my diapers.

What would you even play on it?

[Anonymous No.7182704]

>>7182689
Mostly shit like Sensible World of Soccer, Worms Director's Cut, Desert Strike, James Pond 2, Zool, Cannon Fodder, Lemmings, that kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.7182708]

>>7179310
>no zip drive
For shame.

[Anonymous No.7182719]

>>7182708
Who needs zip when you’ve got tape and a removable hdd caddy?

I’m pretty sure I had that same CD-ROM drive, scsi I want to say Toshiba double speed? Might have even been a single speed it was old as fuck.

[Anonymous No.7182726]

I have one of this. It's got a VIA C3 Samual 2 processor onboard
DDR 266
S3 Graphics UniChrome 2D/3D.
512mb DDR, a Diamond Soundcard with ESS "Sliegro" chipset and 20gb of storage Seagate.
Got a XP or W98 OC?

[Anonymous No.7182739]

[Anonymous No.7182749]

[Anonymous No.7182751]

[Anonymous No.7182778]

>>7182689
I also don't have any nostalgic feelings for Amiga systems, but I would love to have one to play better versions of some DOS games I play on my 486.

[Anonymous No.7182780]

[Anonymous No.7182792]

[Anonymous No.7183035]

>>7181621
Their Yamaha emulated sounds are a lot harsher, but they pretty much are there for the unique A3D sounds. Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament were some of my most favorite games to play on the system, and since I always had SoundBlaster cards, I was curious to the option I was unable to enable in those games. You have good eyes, they are Pentium 3s to go with the motherboards, the one on the left only accepts up to 1.2Ghz the right can take the 1.4Ghz. I haven't decided which amongst all those parts would be best for a J-Win98SE machine.

>>7182590
I only remember it was Micron, Samsung, and SK Hynix in those days for RAM. I believe they still exist to this day.

>>7182607
As with all hardware back then, there are pros and cons to choosing one over the other. The Voodoo card doesn't use AGP functions but can use that slot just fine. The Tseng is great for its 2D, but it will give issues with Commander Keen so maybe the Cirrus Logic would be better but slower all around.

[Anonymous No.7184021]

>>7182151
That's not a "mouse port" dingus

>>7182170
>A game port I could understand, but how often do you find a zoomie who's even heard of laplink?
Haven't found any today

[Anonymous No.7184182]

>>7184021
>laplink
No one would have used a port like that for laplink, they would have used lpt. Most likely that port was designed for a terminal console, as a case like that probably housed a server.

[Anonymous No.7184504]

>>7182485
Shut up, you nigger

[Anonymous No.7184959]

>>7182485
This is the right place u fag. Go play your japshitty games somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.7184979]

>>7179310
Funny enough, my current modern PC resides in a case like this

[Anonymous No.7185074]

>>7183035
What's the red card?

[Anonymous No.7185078]

>>7179310
Those full tower cases always give me a hard on

[Anonymous No.7185087]

>>7182151
serial could be used for a lot more than just a mouse

[Anonymous No.7185541]

>>7184182
And yet millions of people did. Most likely, in fact, 100% likely, It was designed to be a serial port that you could use for whatever you needed a serial port for.

[Anonymous No.7185625]

>>7182739
i miss turbo buttons

[Anonymous No.7185661]

>>7179310
Anyone interested in buying a Dell Optiplex GXi with most parts included?

[Anonymous No.7185815]

>>7179310
Very nice tower. I would replace that DE-9 RS232 port for a DA-15 gameport though

[Anonymous No.7186109]

>>7179310
Just pulled the trigger on a bunch of untested 2002-2004 mid-high range AGP cards for a 15USD total.
How fucked I am?

[Anonymous No.7186123]

>>7186109
>15USD
Not much

[Anonymous No.7186201]

Is the AWE32 the ultimate DOS sound card?

[Anonymous No.7186480]

>>7186201
I'd say so. Soundfonts are kinda whatever for me, but they're there and it's just as compatible as SB16.

[Anonymous No.7186486]

>>7186109
You're inevitably gonna get a few duds but at least one will work, and you'll be busy with your retro build til the novelty wears off and you go back to emulating everything on your main computer again.

[Anonymous No.7186507]

>>7185074
It is an ATI x1950 graphics card for that Windows2k set I had. At that time, I had to settle for AMD and ATI because they were the only affordable options when you were broke. They don't match up to Intel and nVidia, but I was aiming for Windows 2000 and not a GNU/Linux elitist with the best hardware. I would have wanted one with Ruby on it, but I don't think they put her on any AGP cards, but the Palit one has a nice robust cooling solution but takes up 2 slots. At that point, AGP was being phased out, but I think the red goes well with the purple and black PCBs.

[Anonymous No.7186519]

>>7182708
No one actually used Zip. They somehow wormed their way into a few normie desktops in the late 90s but I don't recall ever exchanging data with them as they still weren't quite ubiquitous enough, and I heard they were slow anyway. Pointless if you have the quarter-decent networking skills necessary for FTP/SMB or thumb drives now.

[Anonymous No.7186524]

>>7184959
How can someone be this fucking salty about following the goddamn rules?

[Anonymous No.7186549]

>>7180001
dude, those cards cant do that shit.
you would literally watch them screen tear so hard

[Anonymous No.7186583]

>>7180001
If you're not coming with a 31khz CRT don't come at all. The operating systems won't drive integer upscaling to high res displays, and any modern display is going to internally scale low resolution content terribly or just fail to show certain display modes. Period hardware couldn't run at 1440p/2160p natively. You could put an OLED on get there to get there with the contrast and latency but again, way overkill, nothing will run at its native resolution, and the scaling will still blow. All other flat panel monitors will just look like laggy, smeary, jaggy, stretchy, no-constrast shit.

Start looking for a CRT monitor. Just about any one will do. If you're lucky some boomer near you will be selling cheap and won't put the retro scalper jew premium on you.

[Anonymous No.7186591]

>>7186519
>No one actually used Zip
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.7186597]

>>7186591
Okay sure, a few people used them. Happy? It came and went for a reason.

[Anonymous No.7186613]

>>7186519
Care to fill in a networking brainlet on how this works? It’s a PITA to get Zip to work with my modern machine.

[Anonymous No.7186626]

>>7186597
Like every technology

>he still operates his machine with his hands. what a pleb

[Anonymous No.7186628]

>>7186613
Research Samba/SMB sharing on the computers/OSes you'll be sharing between. Basically you mark a folder as shared in its properties. It's a bit slow on 9x, I could never get it to go faster than ~1.2mb/sec. For FTP, research filezilla server/client on your host/client OSes.

[Anonymous No.7186631]

>>7186626
You are such a contrarian shithead, you know that? You know it was much shorter lived than actually viable/adopted tech and you know all the reasons why. (You), faggot. (You).

[Anonymous No.7186709]

>>7180001
>swiftech for s370
Booooooooi I would kill for one of these. Shit's like a crown on the top of OC'd tualeron/palomino build (and was priced accordingly).

[Anonymous No.7186723]

>>7182485
IKR im so sick of my PS2 threads getting no replies too. Mods should ban all old grandpa shit so we can talk about the REAL golden age of gaming (2001-2007)

[Anonymous No.7186730]

>>7182652
Get a proper Amiga. They are much better computers than games consoles.

[Anonymous No.7186735]

>>7186519
If you actually had a job back then you might have used zip

[Anonymous No.7186802]

>>7186549
I am not looking for those cards to do 1440p/4k they do not have the ability to do so. I was thinking maybe a modern display paired with an OSSC or something for these old systems.

>>7186583
On the CRT thread, the kind anons there set me in a direction to check out Windas to fix one of my FW900s, and I am still reading up on the process. I am just fearing the day has come, where I have to use a modern display since my old CRT monitor is dying. So I am seeking what would be best of modern displays to use.

>>7186709
I remember they were advertised to have more surface area for cooling due to the threads on the pins. However, it is really heavy (outweighing even the largest of modern air coolers) and out of AMD's specs. I am leaning more towards the Arctic Cooling one since everyone is recommending that one instead.

[Anonymous No.7187007]

>>7186109
Where’d you find that lot?

[Anonymous No.7187028]

>>7186109
in my country 'untested' means 'tested and it doesn't work and it's unrepairable'

[Anonymous No.7187041]

>>7186802
>However, it is really heavy (outweighing even the largest of modern air coolers)
>600 grams
Not even close. There's plenty of coolers out there that are over a kilo such as the NH-D15 and a bunch of Scythe stuff
It is probably way way more dense than those since most modern heavy coolers are optimized for low air flow. Managed to crack any cpus with it yet?

[Anonymous No.7187075]

>>7179310
>tfw would pay premium to get this kind of Pantone 413U colour well-done on a new R7 case

[Anonymous No.7187145]

>>7187007
Eastern european site called olx.
>>7187028
Yeah, there's a big chance it's all fucked up. But a 6800gt, 9500 Pro with zalman heatsink and some ti4200s are so fucking too tempting.

[Anonymous No.7187219]

Anyone know how to get rid of this God-forsaken error in System Shock 2? I've tried setting safe texture manager in all the .cfg files and it doesn't help, tried just using a GoG install but that didn't work either saying it has to be a newer OS or some shit.

Running Windows 98SE, Celeron 633mhz, 512MB of RAM, and Geforce 2.

[Anonymous No.7187226]

>>7187219
Fuck forgot pic

[Anonymous No.7187245]

>>7180674
Good card for 386/486 DOS PC's, piece of shit for Pentium and Win9X.

[Anonymous No.7187253]

>>7187226
>This is an error message (“direct 3d device does not accurately…”) that pops up when starting a level in Thief and Thief 2. You may not get an error message; you may see only a black screen. It primarily occurs on Nvidia Graphics cards running driver versions 5x.xx and above although there are several reports of it occurring on ATI 9xxx cards using new drivers.
Or so says the internet. Tried downgrading your drivers? Newer GeForce driver on 98 are shit anyways causing all sorts of compatibility issues.
I'd recommend 30.82 but you feel free to browse online for what others recommend.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/win9x-3082/

[Anonymous No.7187269]

>>7186802
They're all about as equally shitty for the task. One that supports 70hz, and the highest quality in general otherwise.

[Anonymous No.7187271]

I want to build something that run late 90s to mid 2000 of games, maybe dual boot xp and 98? How new of parts can I go? I need it to have vga output because I already got a very nice 21 inch pc crt. Does anyone make a retro looking pc case to put the stuff in?

[Anonymous No.7187279]

>>7179310
That tower looks like a water dispenser.

[Anonymous No.7187284]

>>7186802
Honestly if you can't swing a CRT you're better off emulating, at least for DOS stuff. At least then you can VRR to 70hz and use integer scaling or a filter that looks close enough to it.

[Anonymous No.7187308]

>>7187271
Pentium III + a mobo with ISA slots if you want the best time for DOS and close enough to modern, thing is it'll suck shit to use for late 90s/early 2000s games and Windows in general and have pitiful IO performance. If you don't mind losing a bit of DOS compatibility get a P4 mobo with AGP (newest GPU you want is Geforce FX series) + SATA + USB 2.0. The lack of ISA will break some DOS sound support, no way around it, but it'll run just about everything and you can slow down the CPU too.

[Anonymous No.7187318]

>>7187271
XP runs just fine all the way up until Intel Haswell with very few compatibility issues. Mostly you'll end up with problems depending on your choice of GPU. I'd recommend Nvidia. As for how old it could be? Not really worth making an AGP based XP machine anymore unless you really really want to. Just get a Core2Duo and any top of the line GeForce between the 8800 and 780Ti depending on how high you want your graphics settings.
98 is at its best on a Pentium 3 or earlier. As you approach the gigahertz barrier you'll start to get into your first compatibility issues. If you really want to play the most games you'll be limited to a Geforce 2, Voodoo 2 and a Pentium 3 550MHz. If you're willing to sacrifice compatibility then you can go faster all the way up to Tualatin Pentium 3. Athlon XP aren't really worth it as games that could use it usually like XP more.
Sound card is another thing as well. For 98 you probably want nice midi capabilities and DOS support but for XP you want EAX.
TL;DR Just build two machines. One for XP and one for 98. If you haven't upgraded your main PC since 2013 it could be just fine for XP though!

[Anonymous No.7187356]

>>7187253
Thanks for the link, I'll give it a shot later.

Any precautions I should take with uninstalling drivers or anything? I remember at one point I got drivers that fucked the OS up and it was a huge pain in the ass to fix.

[Anonymous No.7187359]

>>7187271
>How new of parts can I go?
Just get socket 745 or 939 if you want something fancier and snappier. GF6 series is the fastest GF supported by win 98 and the best in terms of performance/features for games up to 2005. Audigy/Audigy 2 sound card is a must.

[Anonymous No.7187710]

>Free Space Required
>500mb

[Anonymous No.7187801]

>>7182726
2000 + 98se (ok for work, basic web and games from msdos to 2000)
2000 is similar to xp
xp works better on +1gb ram & dedicated videocard

[Anonymous No.7187819]

>>7187253
>>7187356
Nvidia's links are all fucking dead, but luckily some based Frenchie autist YouTuber hosts downloads for a lot of legacy drivers, including 30.82.

[Anonymous No.7187907]

>>7187710
install shareware versions of games
>take up way less disk space so you can have more of them
>mostly the best, most polished parts of the game
>obviously shorter than full versions, you can complete a game quicker and move on to another game
>free, if you want "legal software" only for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.7188156]

>>7187819
Remember to always use Wayback Machine for ancient stuff like this

[Anonymous No.7188375]

>>7186519
>No one actually used Zip
wtf, back in 1997 all the chads used zip drives to transfer the data they downloaded from uni networks back to their home computers

[Anonymous No.7188532]

Get your period accurate themes and wallpapers here

https://www.themeworld.com/index.html

[Anonymous No.7188560]

>>7186201
The ones which have a real OPL2 on them are good

[Anonymous No.7188564]

>>7186507
Can you use both cards at the same time? Also do you have that ridiculous CPU upgrade board?

[Anonymous No.7188576]

>>7187907
>obviously shorter than full versions, you can complete a game quicker and move on to another game
lol

[Anonymous No.7188598]

>>7182370
only digital camera I saw back then used a floppy disk. It had an MS to Floppy adapter to be able to save more data.

[Anonymous No.7188715]

>>7188532
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.7188784]

>>7187253
That worked. Thank you so much now I can play SS2 with the level of atmosphere I want.

[Anonymous No.7189917]

>>7188560
>muh genuine opl chip

[Anonymous No.7189954]

>>7186201
Has some compatibility issues with DOS titles and stuff specifically targeting the OPL series of synths can sound off on the AWE32/64
AWE32 is the best Win 3.1 and late DOS sound card
Sound Blaster Pro 2 is the best pure DOS card.

[Anonymous No.7189959]

>>7186201
I had one when I was a kid. Was never impressed by how midi games sounded.

[Anonymous No.7189979]

>>7180024
Actually this is false.

[Anonymous No.7189986]

Found a bunch of abandoned PCs at work, I am sure you can all imagine the smell. Government assets are still assets, can’t throw them away.

[Anonymous No.7190087]

>>7189917
Many clones sound off and onboard software emulated versions at the time sound like pure fucking garbage

[Anonymous No.7190154]

>>7189986
i just want to grab that crt with full force and smother it to my face, i want to feel and visualize the sweet aroma of dust and be engulfed by time itself

[Anonymous No.7190168]

>>7189986
I've been looking for a good beige case. I've even been visiting an e-waste site but any that I find are just too banged up. Still no cigar.

[Anonymous No.7190942]

>>7183035
Your graphics card is going to shit the bed. Those cheap Chinese fucks aren't worth a shit.

[Anonymous No.7190950]

>>7189917
This guy must love guzzling CQM.

[Anonymous No.7192396]

>>7190942
Unfortunately, most of my graphics cards are made in China or Taiwan. I would like to get a quality made in the USA graphics card, but I've not found any yet.

>>7188564
I suppose I could have an ATI card in one slot, nVidia at another, with a 3Dfx one in another different slot to have different drivers loaded. Sounds like more of a hassle, since that one is really for testing purposes due to its versatility. I do not have the upgrade board, I only got that mobo once everyone else discovered it on newegg.

>>7187041
I will admit to a bit of hyperbole. It is dense af, and probably easier to crush a face more than the heavier modern air coolers.

[Anonymous No.7192414]

>saw one fancy Abit 478 mobo with i875 chipset on a local auction, starts form less then 1 usd in local currency
>make a bid
>literally 30 minutes before auction ends some hoarders start pumping price up
>board went for like 80 bucks
>one week later a guy with a similar username on local overclockers bard ranting how he got scammed because apparently the motherboard is fucked up
Feels good man.

[Anonymous No.7193117]

>>7192414
>p4 boards selling for $80 untested
Holy shit I knew this day would come. I should have bought up more of this trash when it was literally everywhere.

You’re not missing anything anyway, the only retro chipset worth a damn is the 440bx.

[Anonymous No.7193296]

Look what just came in.

jelly?

[Anonymous No.7193307]

>>7193296
look at those bloated caps

[Anonymous No.7193308]

>>7192414
i had a Abit IC7-G back in the day. Good boatd

[Anonymous No.7193310]

>>7193307
>bloated
Like ur mum

[Anonymous No.7193343]

>>7193307
easily fixed

[Anonymous No.7193465]

>>7193307
Yea, I guess there are three of them. Not too hard to fix. Stuff's worth fixing.

[Anonymous No.7193553]

Browsing /vr/ websites on theoldnet.com on while listening to older music on WinAmp on /vr/ hardware is peak comfy.

[Anonymous No.7193871]

>>7193296
If GPU is not fucked up, I'm absolutely jelly.
Also, swapping default heatsink with something substantial would increase GPU's lifespan.

[Anonymous No.7193950]

>>7179310
LovelySky Tower - I had a P60 in the Indus chassis. Brother had a 486 in a Colani themed.

[Anonymous No.7193953]

I just acquired a Voodoo 3 3000 for $40. What do?

[Anonymous No.7193964]

>>7186201

I prefer the AWE64 Gold, but also have a CT3600 with ram and it's beyond neet.

[Anonymous No.7193967]

>>7193953
PIII Slot1 440bx blaze it

[Anonymous No.7194009]

>>7187907
>you can complete a game quicker and move on to another game
zoomer mentality

[Anonymous No.7194017]

>>7193967
I think I have the perfect system for it. A SLOT-1 P3 1.0 GHz and 512MB RAM. I imagine this combination is the best possible arrangement of components for 1999-era gaming. The only thing I could do better is if this were a 3500 card.

[Anonymous No.7194043]

>>7194017
>I think I have the perfect system for it. A SLOT-1 P3 1.0 GHz and 512MB RAM
NOICE. Oh and don't forget to hook some active cooling (like screw/ziptie it directly or get one of these slot coolers by Titan).

[Anonymous No.7194087]

>>7193296
Not the slightest. I have far more powerful cards from around the same time laying around. How much did you overpay for it?

[Anonymous No.7194186]

>>7194087
~$30

But its broken. Luckily, I can fix it.

[Anonymous No.7194215]

>>7179310
not as good as me amiga

[Anonymous No.7194228]

>>7194215
oi where's me speccy ?

[Anonymous No.7194327]

>>7194228
Why in the world you need this crap, comrade?
Use a superior machinery like Soviet Apple II Plus clone from the mid 80s with the pricetag of Apple Lisa.

[Anonymous No.7194957]

>>7179310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImMpyPLN0V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tmbNPrkDSY

[Anonymous No.7195796]

>>7194957
>firing ZSNES up for the first time on your PIII machine after like 30 minutes download via dial-up
>playing FFVI and Super Castlevania IV with all the effects intact at full speed
Shit was so damn comfy.

[Anonymous No.7196072]

>>7194186
I'd like to say cringe but I'm guessing that's a great deal compared to what they go for on ebay

[Anonymous No.7196107]

>>7196072
its just a broken trace and some swollen capacitors.

[Anonymous No.7196156]

RIP 3DFX
RIP Cyrix

[Anonymous No.7196178]

>>7182506
This. Whenever I try to talk about retro hardware, everyone there just posts wojaks, calls me cringe, a basedjack, and other annoying newfag stuff

[Anonymous No.7196185]

>>7182652
>Amiga 500
Thats shit. Better get an Amiga 2000

[Anonymous No.7196391]

Thought my Voodoo 3 was busted or killed my AGP slot when I put it in and the computer wouldn't boot.

In actuality I just knocked the CPU out of alignment (it's missing those little clips that are supposed to keep SLOT-1 CPUs in place so it's just kind of floating between the plastic legs that the clips would attach to).

[Anonymous No.7196407]

>>7195796
Yeah. I remember when me and my friend found out about GBA emulation in early 2000. Buying CD-RW's to burn 20MB of roms

[Anonymous No.7196453]

>>7179310
Unless you're wanting to use a specific sound or video card, there's usually very little reason to bother with old PC hardware. Your current one can run nearly everything just fine.

[Anonymous No.7196457]

>>7180001
How retro? Some dithered graphics were made for specific dot pitches so they don't blend on anything but a cancer ray tube with a maximum resolution of 640x480 or less.

[Anonymous No.7196468]

>>7194186
>~$30
>for a broken ti4600
Damn. And I tough I payed too much for my 4400 (roughly 10 USD equivalent).

[Anonymous No.7196538]

So on the upside the Voodoo 3 works properly. However I don't know if my games are configured wrong (I installed almost all of them with a TNT2 Vanta). The only game I could get running properly was Doom95 (which doesn't seem to run correctly on the TNT2). Every other game I tried (including a fresh install of Sonic R that I only installed for the first time with the Voodoo 3 installed) crapped itself when I attempted to start it. However going back to the TNT2 I experienced no issues and they ran like butter (presumably Doom95 wouldn't work right if I loaded that again).

So I'm a little stumped. I thought the Voodoo 3 was supposed to be better for compatibility than the competing cards of the era (and by all accounts the TNT2 IS the premiere competitor for this exact card so I'm playing with hardware precisely targeted for this era of gaming).

[Anonymous No.7196848]

>>7196107
Good luck I guess? I probably wouldn't even bother trying to fix something like that.

>>7196468
I almost feel sorry for bandwagoners who pay $30 for broken mediocre cards. Almost. I'm lucky to live in a place where these things are relatively common and cheap. As a rule of thumb I never pay more than a couple bucks but earlier this year I saw an X850XTPE in really good condition for the equivalent of ~$5. Not the absolute best AGP with w98 drivers but certainly up there. And the VIVO is great.

[Anonymous No.7196871]

>>7196407
Still remember playing Megaman Zero at 70% speed, because my PC was shit

[Anonymous No.7196987]

>>7196848
>mediocre cards
>top of the line GF4 ti card from a respectable vendor
Dude, seriously.

[Anonymous No.7197356]

>>7196538
I have a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI in a Intel P55C setup. Everything I threw at it works just fine. You mentioned you did a fresh install? Old Windows gets real weird with drivers.

[Anonymous No.7197658]

Is there somewhere a preconfigured PCEm/DOSBox with Windows 95 installed?

[Anonymous No.7197935]

>>7197658
Seconding this

[Anonymous No.7198037]

>>7197356
The driver seems installed properly, it’s just loading games.

And it was a fresh install of Sonic R, not Windows as a whole.

[Anonymous No.7198129]

>>7193553
Sick mousepad

[Anonymous No.7198191]

>>7198129
Thanks. I've had it for years.

[Anonymous No.7198280]

>>7197935
I once found a torrent of PCEm with a bunch of preinstalled games but I can't find it anymore. It was an old version though.

[Anonymous No.7198469]

>>7182502
>Lithtech
I remember Blood 2 needing a whole upgrade just to run somewhat playable

[Anonymous No.7198617]

>>7188532
Any other handy sites to download Win9X/DOS software, emhlators, and other shit from? Bonus points if they're accessible on a retro PC browser.

[Anonymous No.7198636]

>>7198617
yeah archive.org, vogons, zophar. you can also try this cool german guy's emulators that run pretty well on old stuff. https://problemkaputt.de/

[Anonymous No.7198749]

>>7196987
>it's 2002
You write very well for a 2 year old
Do you even understand how technology advances sport? In The late 80's I had a top of the line video card that cost over $500. It's useless for playing any games beyond the early 90's.

[Anonymous No.7199067]

Am I the only one who thinks that white/beige computers were ugly af? Like, I know that they couldnt make it other colours, like black, cuz they also had to sell them in offices, and german law was very autistic back then, but come on.

[Anonymous No.7199080]

>>7199067
I have a white case, white monitor, white cables, white keyboard, and a light grey desk. It looks a lot less busy than dark parts and blends well with the surroundings.

[Anonymous No.7199089]

I'm just gonna drop this here :
https://youtu.be/26DPpaG5haE

[Anonymous No.7199189]

>>7199089
>get gf3 as a gift for a new year
>OMG IT'S LIKE THE BEST GIFT EVER
>it actually outlives almost every other computer component, including two other computers you got waaaay later in your life
Thanks dad.

[Anonymous No.7200197]

>>7199067
>Reported for being so tasteless

[Anonymous No.7200508]

>>7198636
Thanks anon. I've been wanting to use old websites more and more on this thing since I found a Wifi adapter that actually works on Win98.

[Anonymous No.7200523]

>>7200197
>that pic
>dual pentium pro
Any point in getting one of these machines these days seeing as how Win9k can't use more than one CPU?
I'd expect there to be at least some neat software that absolutely requires an ancient version of Windows NT and them PPros

[Anonymous No.7201224]

>>7197658
>>7197935
>>7198280
Something popped up on archive.org. This one should be with Windows 98SE preinstalled.
https://archive.org/details/pcemwin98se

[Anonymous No.7202301]

>>7201224
Nice. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.7203067]

>>7200508
FYI, IE6 doesn't support most modern HTTPS ciphers. You'll either need an HTTPS stripping proxy or find a browser with a more modern cipher set.

Though I've heard the unofficial kernel patches might help with that. Dunno.

[Anonymous No.7203236]

>>7200523
Just install an old version of GNU/Linux

[Anonymous No.7203241]

>>7198636
>zophar
Zophar has manboobs.

[Anonymous No.7203254]

>>7203067
There's a custom version of Firefox/Netscape navigator called RetroZilla that makes it fairly manageable. I've tried the Unofficial Windows 98 Update pack and a few other things but they've always caused crippling side effects and instability that I'm only able to remedy by reinstalling the OS so I try to avoid all that now.

[Anonymous No.7203278]

>>7203254
>RetroZilla
I'm definitely trying that out next time I mess with the Win98 machine.

[Anonymous No.7203984]

>>7196468
A ti4600 is arguably the best win9x card

the most powerful and compatible 9x card with 8-bit palettized textures

[Anonymous No.7204168]

>>7203984
Not fully compatible with every game though
For example Sega GT ends ups with missing effects due to Nvidia removing the W-buffer in GeForce4 cards

[Anonymous No.7205679]

>>7184182
>No one would have used a port like that for laplink
Wrong.
I used it like this all the time because I had no money and a simple nullmodem cable only needs 3 lines for a very basic connection. Sometimes I even used some old telephone cables and pulled them directly over the serial port pins one by one with the insulation pulled over the pins and the pins inside touching the copper, lol. Ghetto as fuck but worked fine.

[Anonymous No.7205959]

>>7180314
Is it possible to slow a Pentium down to a 386?

[Anonymous No.7206614]

>>7203984
Anything can be argued. Tards do it all the time with the most ridiculous of claims. It's really cringey when faggots try to come up with some one size fits all build for 10+ yeas of PC gaming where hardware changed so dramatically.

[Anonymous No.7206620]

>>7203984
>palettized textures
there is an OGL function even in modern drivers to emulate that on new cards

[Anonymous No.7206848]

>>7205679
Enjoy your 110 baud transfer rates. Sure it’s doable but at that point why not just write a floppy and sneakernet it?

[Anonymous No.7206904]

>>7206848
>110 baud
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
One, I'm not enjoying it anymore because all that took place literally almost 3 decades ago. Two, the transfer rate even only over 3 line cable was decent enough for me to transfer and backup a whole 20MB MFM HDD to my big 500MB drive in just a couple minutes. Usually I used it to transfer around games that I didn't want to install from multiple diskettes again. It also helped me getting games on a machine that only had a DD disk drive but the game had files over 1MB on one disk.

[Anonymous No.7206934]

>>7203254
Tried it out. Works pretty well, minus the 9000+ errors loading every page, but load it does. Really gunna save me some time.

Thanks for the pointer!

[Anonymous No.7206948]

>>7206904
Alright I have no idea where I got 110 from, it’s early. I know for a fact though I’ve made ~10MB transfers over a nice shielded null modem cable at 9600 within the last decade that took damn near an hour.

[Anonymous No.7206976]

>>7179310

Ah. A weapon from a more civilized time.

[Anonymous No.7207136]

>>7206934
Sure thing, anon! Glad that worked for you.

[Anonymous No.7208196]

Why yes, I am running an S3 Savage 4 Pro. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.7208790]

Need suggestions for MS-DOS games (Preferrably already in eXoDOS please). Here's my current list. https://pastebin.com/a0bn1c84

[Anonymous No.7208803]

>>7208790
Thats a pretty fucking long list. Every game that I wanted to recommend you is already on that list

[Anonymous No.7208883]

>>7208790
> Bureaucracy isn't on there.
> Gabriel Knight 2 is good too.
> Maybe Alley Cat?

You've got like...most of the big games already. Unless you're interested in a certain type of game, it's gunna be hard to recommend more.

[Anonymous No.7208886]

>>7206614
You're right, you can't have 1 PC do everything, but you can get close e-fucking-nough. Shit, my P4 PCI + AGP build runs most DOS, 98, and XP stuff and what few stubborn DOS games remain like Turrican 2 look just about like the real thing in DOSbox on a CRT monitor in XP. I could get a P3 with an ISA slot, but yknow? The scant amount of games that need pure ISA soundblaster don't matter THAT much to me. It's not worth the space and time.

There's just a point where having a bunch of extremely niche focused, but otherwise useless and inefficient computers gets ridiculous and hoarder-like.

[Anonymous No.7208889]

>>7208790
>no Megarace

[Anonymous No.7208909]

>>7203254
>>7206934
>>7203278
Let me confirm that you should NOT install that unofficial service pack as it will fuck your shit up. Went down the same road and reinstalled as well.

As far as 98 browsers go I found RetroZilla to be okay but it still takes a shit on SSL and other security protocols a lot of modern sites have.
http://retrosystemsrevival.blogspot.com/2018/05/k-meleon-74-windows-9x-edition.html
This works about as well as you can expect on Windows 98. Needs KernelEx and some additional files but it won't fuck your shit up. MyPal is the best browser I've seen on XP, on the topic of browsers for defunct OSes.

[Anonymous No.7208921]

>>7203241
Christ, my wasted, IRC dwelling youth is rocketing back to me.

[Anonymous No.7208927]

>>7199189
I remember using it as a TV PC video card. It was quite capable of driving games like Doom 3 and HL2 at 480i

[Anonymous No.7208937]

>>7198617
>retro PC browser
It's funny how vogons of all sites is extremely heavy and largely incompatible with most 9x browsers.

[Anonymous No.7208965]

>>7208790
MegaRace 2 (1996, Cryo)
Big Red Racing (1995, Big Red Software)
SU-27 Flanker (1995, Eagle Dynamics)
Capitalism / Capitalism Plus (1995/1996, Enlight)
Trolls (1992, Capstone)

[Anonymous No.7209018]

>>7208889
Actually remember playing this as a kid, it was included with my Packard Bell shitbox that kept dying all the time. Unfortunately I'm not interested in FMV games like this anymore.
>>7208965
>Trolls
These little gremlin looking fuckers traumatized me as a kid. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.7209041]

how can I use force feedback with an xinput controller in older games? I tried this driver with a wired xbox one controller in Win 7 but still don't get rumble in games like colin mcrae 2, 3 or 4

[Anonymous No.7209201]

>>7208886
Funny. I always said there's just a point where having a single tool instead of the right ones for the right job is retarded and bandwagoner-like. It's really not that hard to stick a few cases under your desk. And if you are trying to get as much out of one box as possible not having ISA is retarded. I understand that this stuff is expensive on eBay but if that weren't an issue would you still not want to do it right?

[Anonymous No.7209281]

fuck practicality, i build systems with parts that are cool and fun to use. Just emulate if you want easy gaming

[Anonymous No.7210325]

>>7209201
It’s not even that hard unless you’re obsessed with running stupid games from the 80s that ABSOLUTELY MUST have an IBM 5150 at 4.77mhz. Grab a 440bx board and a handful of cheap slot 1s. A high clocked pIII will play anything retro, and if you need slow pop in a shitbox celeron.

[Anonymous No.7210329]

>>7196457
The oldest I have still is a 486DX4-100 displaying in VGA. I do not remember any games with dithering as all the monitors were super sharp, much more clear than TVs.

>>7205959
With that socket 7 set, I haven't decided what sound and video, but for processors I hope to give this a try: https://youtu.be/F8s0H5_-SRU

[Anonymous No.7210347]

>>7210329
>PC midi card
what?

[Anonymous No.7210359]

>>7210347
Pretty sure that’s an mpu401 interface card

>>7210329
What do you have for sound modules?

[Anonymous No.7210390]

>>7208790
Shadow President and its sequel CyberJudas

[Anonymous No.7210782]

>>7210325
It's literally yugely hard and these are thousands of aspies who spend every waking hour discussing every anal detail of it on shit like vogons. Being blissfully ignorant that so many combinations of hardware don't work together or with a few particular games doesn't make make it less hard. It just makes it easier for you to not care. And if you've never run into a problem then why should you. But it's still a massive clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.7211135]

Reminder that you don't need to buy a crazy expensive retro graphic card for your retro build. Just drop any Geforce MX card into your rig and call it a day. They're cheap as shit and will run just about any win9x game at 60fps just fine.

[Anonymous No.7211147]

>>7211135
I've got a Radeon X800 sat in mine, how overkill is that?
Don't have a CRT yet; finding one for decent price or one that actually works is a fucking minefield.

[Anonymous No.7211221]

>>7211147
that's way overkill. That's more of an XP card.

And probably not as compatible with certain games due to the shitty 9x driver support. The further away you move from 2001, the further away from compatible you get.

You have to understand that anything with the GeForce/Radeon brand was skullfucking any game at the time. TnL support was just that OP when it came out.

A regular Geforce2 is basically on par with everybody's favorite meme card, the Voodoo5.
https://youtu.be/uOSBoPqDhSs

My "Ultimate" win9x card would probably be the Geforce2 Ultra. But just getting a regular GTS would be fine for everything already.

[Anonymous No.7211303]

>>7211221
>GeForce2
Shit, I actually had one of those in one of my first rigs; can't exactly remember which one but it had 32MiB of RAM and even then, it ran Far Cry like a trooper. It looked like dogshit but I didn't care because it worked.
>that's way overkill. That's more of an XP card.
To some extent that's what I wanted when I built it. I intended this on being a 98/XP dual boot which I've done but I spend way more time in 98 than I do XP. Never had any driver issues though, I know the last Catalyst driver to support 98 only had beta support for the X800 but I've not run into any significant issues yet.

[Anonymous No.7211368]

>>7193953
thats a lot of money

[Anonymous No.7211374]

>>7196453
Keep coping zoomlet

[Anonymous No.7211416]

>>7211368
It may be, but you can't find a Voodoo3 below $80 nowadays

[Anonymous No.7211548]

>>7211135
Funny you mention that anon, your pic is the exact card I have in my build >>7193553

>>7208909
Thanks for the pointer anon, I'll try that browser later.

And yeah that unofficial service pack fucking sucks. I'm sure it's a cool thing when it actually works but I don't know why it's recommended so frequently when it almost never fucking works.

[Anonymous No.7211691]

>>7211548
>but I don't know why it's recommended so frequently when it almost never fucking works
Because the most commonly used USB stick storage driver requires the unofficial service pack.
Why in the god damn you'd want to actually hack the everloving shit out of your 98 install to use flashdrives instead of transferring your files over the network which is natively supported out of the box, is a question left for the viewer.

[Anonymous No.7212295]

>>7188560
Meant to say OPL3
>>7189917
There are some 100% clones but yeah, you really want a genuine clone for everything to be accurate
inb4 "but wavetable is better anyway why would anyone want an OPL"

[Anonymous No.7212298]

>>7193296
I have the same card and it has the same bloated caps
Those fans are likely dead too

[Anonymous No.7212308]

>Geforce 5 trash is now worth 100 bucks
kek

[Anonymous No.7212548]

>>7211135
This. Work great for 3dfx exclusives.

[Anonymous No.7212661]

>>7210347
It is used to allow for Midi to communicate via an ISA slot.

>>7210359
There are the two wavetable boards on the left.

[Anonymous No.7212674]

>>7212661
Your soul is consummation. It makes a sad sound.

[Anonymous No.7212682]

Outside some DOS games that don't run correctly in DOSBox, I can't see the appeal of running a retro machine for anything post DOS days. Most games of value have been patched, remastered, or modded to work on windows 10.

[Anonymous No.7212710]

Finished my 486 build just in time for Christmas. Windows 3.11 already installed. I'm gonna cry bros.

[Anonymous No.7212759]

>>7212308
Pulled this fella from an e-waste site. Works just fine.

To be fair the top model FX cards were quite good for their time.

[Anonymous No.7213174]

>>7212682
there's a few, very subtle differences how it runs on real hardware than how it's emulated. for example if a 3DFX game had slowdowns, it wouldn't drop frames to keep up the game speed, but would actually slow down the game while retaining framerate (not all games might do this, Screamer 2 in 3dfx mode certainly does)
another point is with older hardware you won't miss loading screens which often contained some art or game tips (when you emulate and load everything from SSD or a fast HDD, you often won't even notice there was a loading screen at all)

and then there's the novelty of just having some old device that still works.

[Anonymous No.7213654]

>>7213174
I'll take a few trade offs and just play retro pc games on my somewhat modern machine. I see the novelty appeal, but I rather look at photos and think back to my family's first packard bell pc from the mid 90s instead of buying a 90s machine.

[Anonymous No.7214359]

>>7211135
Yes 2MX is just fine for the most part. Essentially it's a GF256 SDR (unless we talking about some OC'd stuff from Gainward). Anything more or less demanding from year 2002-2003 would require something more capable.

[Anonymous No.7214413]

I'll have to take pictures of my modest collection later. I still have to complete my pentium III box, just needs more storage and a new GPU, and my Pentium I box still needs some software fixes, and my 486 needs storage and OS.

[Anonymous No.7214501]

>>7180674
Great 2D card

[Anonymous No.7216112]

>DX4 100mhz is a triple-clocked 33mhz CPU
>AM5x86 133mhz is a quad-clocked 33mhz CPU

wouldn't the DX4 be 99mhz and the 5x86 be 132mhz?

[Anonymous No.7216148]

>>7211691
Here's a better question:

Why in the God damn would any dumb stupid retarded cocksucker nigger idiot want to hack the everloving shit out of their 98 install to use flashdrives WHEN THERE ARE ALREADY DRIVERS THAT WORK FINE ON VANILLA INSTALLS LIKE MINE!!!!!????

[Anonymous No.7217123]

>>7216148
> WHEN THERE ARE ALREADY DRIVERS THAT WORK
>ON VANILLA INSTALLS
Choose one.

[Anonymous No.7217163]

>>7217123
I think you're misunderstanding him, "vanilla" as in without any service packs or other hacks to the system

There is a perfectly working driver for removable USB drives that requires no "packs" or hacks, you just install the driver. And it fits on a floppy disk.

[Anonymous No.7218905]

>>7217123
'Windows 98 USB Storage Driver' is literally just that.

[Anonymous No.7220860]

>>7179310
Strong as a bull

[Anonymous No.7220873]

>>7217163
>>7218905
Well, apparently the default driver is really fucking picky. The only thumbdrive it managend to detect was some noname 1 gig stick I own since highschool.

[Anonymous No.7220956]

>>7196538
When I installed a PCI Savage4 in a PC that already had integrated AGP card, I had random crashes, but they mostly went away when I ran dxdiag and it, I guess, detected and disabled the AGP bus features

[Anonymous No.7220972]

I use an old SanDisk cruzer driver for usb mass storage. Nusb does some weird stuff to my 98 install

[Anonymous No.7220986]

>>7220873
yeah, I have two seemingly identical SD card adapters, one works flawlessy and the other is unusable
also having the USB drive in the computer tanks performance

[Anonymous No.7221028]

>>7220873
>Well, apparently the default driver is really fucking picky.
that's why you install the generically named "Windows 98 USB Storage Driver" (you can look for nusb33e.exe)
but again it's just the driver, nothing extra to it and not packed with anything extra, definitely not a whole service pack

[Anonymous No.7221532]

>>7180674
Destruction Derby works nice on it, with the S3D mode

[Anonymous No.7223554]

>>7179310
Retro now includes those early thousands computers, I'd not advise having this thread outside of /g/ honestly.

[Anonymous No.7223568]

>>7196871
>>this is not a gameboy advanced

t. Legacy of Goku on my windows 98's vba emulator back in the unhacked gba rom days

[Anonymous No.7223574]

>>7199067
Black is worse because before organizaitons started making everything the same black square shapes they made cool cyperpunk tier shapes out of them and white makes them poke out the most while being the cheapest as well.

Black is worse for this reason.

[Anonymous No.7223589]

>>7223554
>/g/
It would get buried under thousands of phone and gpu consoomer threads.

[Anonymous No.7223841]

>>7223589
In that case then prepare for the eventual invasion of win xp posters posting half gray half black laptops they own, and towers during that intermediate phase before it got totally BLACKED

Then again, when did win7 cum out anyway? Was the bar in the sticky set to 2007? *checks* not retro yet, it was 2009 the win7 was. Two years not retro for this place, darnerino!

[Anonymous No.7224217]

>>7194327
thats very cool anon

[Anonymous No.7224334]

>>7194327
I never thought to look up Apple II clones.

>agat
>converts rubles
>52ish usd
>1980s
>Russia
I wonder how much 52 dollars was worth in Soviet Russia back in the 80s, honestly I wonder if it was expensive but I know not enough about economics to guess how much that is even in the USA. Probably things are five times more expensive now days due to inflation, but did Russia get inflation? Weren't computers more expensive back then anyway when newer? I wonder how cheap it really was.....I can't fathom it. I guess it was like 250 usd back when computers were usually shit while in the equivalent of thousands back then, unless it was something like the commador 64 I guess. Those were cheap I guess or no one would have bought it, so because the wikipedia says schools got it all over I'll have to assume it was some nes tier a price, and those do cost in the low hundreds, gaming consoles.

Hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.7224383]

slackware, based linux distro. Deal with it.

(I'm from a new generation that didn't grow up with slackware, but with ubuntu. But with slackware you feel like you're dealing with retro gear.)

[Anonymous No.7224570]

>>7201224
Seemed to work okay but I'm getting this bullshit when I try to load it now. Am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.7224629]

>>7224570
Your hard drive disappeared, see how it says Primary Master Disk: none? I don’t know anything about pcem but maybe you accidentally disabled the drive in the virtual machine settings or something like that?

[Anonymous No.7224679]

>>7224629
It was already selected in the settings but after deselecting it and re-adding it seemed to pull its head out of its ass and detect the hard drive, but now it's giving me this garbage before rebooting itself.

Oh well, I'm not in any hurry to play any games that don't already work on Windows 10 natively.

[Anonymous No.7224694]

>>7224679
Both of those errors relate to files not being found in your C:\DOS directory. Since you can get to the command interpreter, try going there and checking to see that
a) the DOS directory is there and
b) both OAKCDROM.SYS and MSCDEX.EXE exist

[Anonymous No.7224709]

>>7224694
I can't be bothered to look right now, heading to sleep soon, but whoever uploaded their install to Archive.org probably fucked it up or didn't take into consideration whether it would be compatible with other machines or newer versions of PCem. You're welcome to give it a shot though it was posted here: >>7201224

[Anonymous No.7224906]

>>7224334
>I wonder how much 52 dollars was worth in Soviet Russia back in the 80s
Approximately 41 soviet roubles (according to official exchange rates) and 624 soviet roubles with unofficial exchange.
Just for reference, 100 roubles per month was a typical "middle class" salary.
>Those were cheap I guess
They were anything but cheap, trust me. Sure my knowledge is quite limited but with hardware like this one the price tag could easily went above 1000 roubles (especially with 5.25 drives included). And yeah, good luck getting one for yourself.

[Anonymous No.7224910]

>Literally this whole thread

[Anonymous No.7224983]

>>7224910
>if you discuss retro computers on a retro gaming forum you’re a dumb larping zoomer
Something about a pot calling a kettle black

[Anonymous No.7225012]

>>7224983
let him be. he's just some lost idiot who loves to actively look for places that make him angry.

[Anonymous No.7225025]

>>7224910
You will never be a woma...I mean...you will never have a deeper understanding of old hardware.

[Anonymous No.7225212]

>>7224910
How can a 22 year old be nostalgic for any of that crap, whatever.

On a similar note, when did the price of late era AGP cards go retarded. At least with the 3dfx stuff it fulfills some purpose, who's building XP machines without PCIe? I bet some people have five HD 3850's collecting dust.

[Anonymous No.7225295]

>>7224906
>only 100 rubles per month
Russia had no rent to pay and other free shit as it was Soviet Russia. Communism would have made it more complex than that. Perhaps the schools got them due to the free shit idea and so with other free stuffs that's why they got paid so low. Free stuffs. But yeah, I guess it'd take forever to get one for an individual.

I'd like to think they could have bought it in a few years rather than like 5 years.

Then again computers were like cars all over back in the day so it'd not surprising. Cars take years to pay for too.

[Anonymous No.7225475]

[Anonymous No.7225485]

>>7225212
>On a similar note, when did the price of late era AGP cards go retarded
Dunno but its a good thing. Now I can sell my shitty cards for 100 bucks each

[Anonymous No.7225517]

Very early Seasonic power supply.

[Anonymous No.7225525]

A 45 MB HDD

[Anonymous No.7225603]

>>7225295
>and other free shit
There was nothing for free. Well except for conscription and mandatory field work.
Housing wasn't free (it was owned by gov. and you had to pay for it with your work on the predetermined facility with really fucking horrid working conditions), serious medical attention wasn't free, hell even fixing your teeth wasn't free (unless you are into some hardcore masochistic shit).
You want to live a half-decent life - you pay.

[Anonymous No.7227480]

>>7225212
The joke is that most of the people who larp about it are 16-24

[Anonymous No.7228416]

>>7225212
late agp price is high because people want the MOST POWERFUL win98 machine. When PCIe came around, most win9x drivers were dropped.

[Anonymous No.7228429]

>>7228416
is the 7800 and x850 really that expensive?

[Anonymous No.7228431]

>>7186519
Every computer in my Introduction to Electronic Imaging computer lab had a SCSI Zip drive. Try moving 100MB over 56kbps in a timely manner. Half the kids didn't even have internet access at home.

[Anonymous No.7228532]

>>7228416
>MOST POWERFUL win98 machine

Yeah, I'm not talking about the win98 AGP cards, they're actually still for the most part pretty reasonable. I'm taking about the very late ones that don't have win98 drivers, the ones that where released in the PCIe era and use a PCIe to AGP Bridging Chip like

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PowerColor-Radeon-HD-4670-1GB-AGP-Graphics-Card-AG4670-1GBK3/114587965529?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

This card can't be used in win98 and PCIe versions of it would be like £5-£10 including postage.

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>>7180674
Is there a single Virge optimized game out there?