/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7177258]

Now that it's official, I need to ask the question that's been on everyone's mind. Was San Andreas' "Wrong Side of the Tracks" the "Water Temple" of the 6th generation?

[Anonymous No.7177269]

3-D GTA is fucking shit

[Anonymous No.7177289]

But it's not that hard. If you're not an 8 year old.

[Anonymous No.7177330]

>>7177258
>the "Water Temple" of the 6th generation?
No, unlike nintendie garbage there are multiple unscripted ways to complete GTA missions. For this mission for example, you could use your bike to leap on top of the train and shoot those guys from the roof.

[Anonymous No.7177331]

>>7177330
Is that not the expected way to do it?

[Anonymous No.7177335]

>>7177330
>No, unlike nintendie garbage there are multiple unscripted ways to complete GTA missions
>GTA unscripted

[Anonymous No.7177337]

>>7177330
>there are multiple unscripted ways to complete GTA missions.

You mean "were". Newer GTAs since at least 4 have a very railroaded way of completing missions and can trigger mission failure if you deviate from the planned way.

>>7177331
The developers intended you to ride your bike alongside the train while big smoke shoots at the gangsters.

[Anonymous No.7177353]

>>7177258

[Anonymous No.7177359]

>>7177289
Just like the water temple

[Anonymous No.7177362]

>>7177335
Unintended by the developers, more accurately.

>>7177337
>Newer GTAs since at least 4 have a very railroaded way of completing missions and can trigger mission failure if you deviate from the planned way.
My beef with the newer GTAs as well. GTA 4 had really sophisticated physics, amazing AI, and some fun mechanics, but the missions were boring and very scripted. Vice City is the most fun GTA because most of the missions were consisted of nothing but "go to point A/B within the time limit" or "kill everyone and come back". So simple yet so fun and open ended.

[Anonymous No.7177363]

>>7177353

EPIC
EPIC FOR THE WIN
no seriously all these GTA mission that involve driving for 10min and then you fail because the poor AI should all be sent to fucking busta hell

[Anonymous No.7177369]

>>7177258
It wasn't even that hard. Literally go slow and you win, but the niggers that bought this game don't understand patience.

[Anonymous No.7177375]

>>7177363
SA had way too much driving. The world is huge but not very interconnected like Vice City.

[Anonymous No.7177378]

>>7177369
>don't understand patience
Fuck you and fuck this mission.
https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Snail_Trail

[Anonymous No.7177397]

>>7177375

>that mission where you have to kill the journalist by driving in the trains tracks all the way from San Fierro to Los Santos

[Anonymous No.7177637]

>>7177337
>You mean "were". Newer GTAs since at least 4
Which isn't retro so why the fuck are you bringing it up here?

[Anonymous No.7177640]

>>7177258
The two are incomparable, filtered for "Water Temple Parallels"

[Anonymous No.7177642]

>>7177637
ps3 and x360 are retro now, boomer.

[Anonymous No.7177689]

at most you might need to retry it a handful of times, the zero missions are far worse

[Anonymous No.7177702]

>>7177258
>water temple
wasn't even that hard.
You're a retard.

[Anonymous No.7177746]

>>7177689

zero missions have a reason to be fucking hard, since they are extra content

[Anonymous No.7177749]

>>7177258
It was just kinda janky because Smoke can't aim for shit.

[Anonymous No.7177753]

>>7177746
are they? it's been a long time since I played it but I remember them being mandatory

[Anonymous No.7177754]

>>7177689
>>7177746
Zero missions are fine, most are pretty fun, except for the last one where you have to build bridges with an RC copter, that shit is fucking tedious.

[Anonymous No.7177767]

>>7177258
How do speedrunners get through water temple anyway? Can they glitch their way through mostly?

[Anonymous No.7177778]

>>7177753

they arent, if you complete them you just get zero store as your property for cash. You can even skip them till you finish the main story.

>>7177754

the only really rage-inducer one is the first one, supply lines, because the time limit to destroy all the vans and make it back gives you like 10 secs margin of error. And by the way i mean the OG PS2 release. Every other re-release of the game doubled the amount of fuel you get in this mission in particular.

[Anonymous No.7178150]

>>7177258
No, that would be
>Launch the Red Baron!

[Anonymous No.7178304]

>the "Water Temple" of the 6th generation
In that it was hyped up as the epitome of challenge while being no more difficult than anything else the game presented?
Yeah, actually.

[Anonymous No.7178331]

I started playing San Andreas again a few weeks ago and did this mission first try. The plane missions for any games in the trilogy on the other hand are pooly made and hard to control

[Anonymous No.7178594]

>>7177258
i remember getting it on my first try. what about it is so hard for people?

[Anonymous No.7178603]

>>7177337
>>7177362
i really wish GTA5 had more proper heist missions i felt like there was alot of ways you could approach them.

[Anonymous No.7178613]

>>7177269
Now type that without crying Nintoddler.

[Anonymous No.7178627]

>>7177397
Do Japs actually beat their wives? Always seemed like that's more of and Indian and white person thing.

[Anonymous No.7178635]

Do anyone remember that mission in the abandoned airstrip in which the player have to get aboard a huge plane? That shit in the PC is frustrating.

[Anonymous No.7178642]

Why the hell so many people had trouble with that train mission?
As soon I realized Big Smoke was shooting the side of the train, I just went a bit more to the right and it worked.
Now, the REAL shit of San Andreas was the Zero mission with the toy airplane. On the original PS2 version, there was barely enough fuel to complete that mission. It took me at least five tries and I had to take a break to chill because I was angry as fuck.

[Anonymous No.7178658]

>>7177258
I loved all the gtas except for gta san andreas and gta5.

[Anonymous No.7178665]

>>7177258

It's just because of how finnicky Big Smoke is. He uses auto-aim which means he targets the center mass of each person. So if you go too close he will end up targetting their centers but end up shooting the side of the train. Getting the right sweet spot, like pictured in the image, is the key to winning.

It's actually WAY easier to just kill them yourself, which isn't at all obvious you can even do. Something as sipmle as just ride far ahead of the train, stop, and then start shooting. You can easily get an AK or even a simple smg by that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPXcr8XH8DA

[Anonymous No.7178669]

>>7177362

GTA SA is when they really started to script their missions, possibly to ensure that players beat them the intended mission. Yaeh 1-3 + VC is more open ended.

[Anonymous No.7178673]

>>7177778

Supply lines was tight but I never had a problem with it. The thing I think is that people at first try to play it by straffing like a real plane. The best way is to park, shoot up the van, then drive off.

[Anonymous No.7178681]

TTDISA is still being updated to this day. Fans keep updating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLa4ib32Mbg

[Anonymous No.7178724]

>>7178627
https://time.com/4668658/violence-women-v-day-domestic-asia-homicide-sexism/

[Anonymous No.7178967]

>>7177269
>GTA is fucking shit
FTFY

[Anonymous No.7179502]

>wrong side of the tracks
>hard
baby shit

[Anonymous No.7179513]

>>7177258
I suppose so but only because our young brains were stupid and did not realize that smoke can't fucking shoot anything if you are to close to the train. You need to create some amount of distance to get him to hit anything.

[Anonymous No.7179515]

>>7178681
What is that

[Anonymous No.7179579]

What's the best way to play SA nowadays? What mods and patches do you guys recommend?
Haven't played it in over a decade and I want to give it another go.

[Anonymous No.7179656]

>>7179515

Etra missions. fixes. side content. extra races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyY-0A37zWw

[Anonymous No.7179671]

>>7179656
Does it have a huge readme

[Anonymous No.7179684]

>>7177258
>OOGA BOOGA WE THE GREEN GANG LETS SHOOT UP THE PURPLE GANG

Why did SA have the absolute WORST plot from any GTA?

Everything is law was fun though.

[Anonymous No.7179693]

>>7179684

That's the plot for like 10 minutes. It's just the bullshit front story that they tell CJ. The real story is that there's a massive conspriacy and things aren't as they seem. You can say that by San Fierro the plot kind of loses direction. You just sorta start doing jobs for everyone, then you luck out by finding a CIA guy who wants you to do some wetwork that solves your problems.

[Anonymous No.7179707]

>>7179693
To be fair you still do a lot of gangbanging shit for Cesar and that triad guy, and then continuously through that tedious turf war system.

[Anonymous No.7179725]

>>7179579

Do NOT use the MP5, AK, or M16. They have a shit ton of range with pin point accuracy. Limiting yourself actually makes the game a bit more fun. It's better to have something that is the same range as the enemies too so they have at least a shot at shooting you. The enemy AI isn't terribly advanced so try to go soft on them.

Plus you can go full Max Payne with dual uzi and dual berretta.

[Anonymous No.7179727]

>>7179671

Yes. Two in fact!

https://gtaforums.com/topic/939012-sarel-things-to-do-in-san-andreas-overall-improvements/

https://pastebin.com/jtmnvueE
https://pastebin.com/JyGC8QrK

[Anonymous No.7179732]

>>7178724
>time magazine

[Anonymous No.7180098]

The final mission in Vice City Stories is much harder

[Anonymous No.7180108]

>>7177258
In that it wasn't as bad as people made it out to be? Yeah.

[Anonymous No.7180136]

>>7177269
i can barely believe you like video games at all if you're serious

[Anonymous No.7180159]

>>7179693

i think the point of San Fierro-Las Venturas was to shown that theres more life than just living in the hood which is probably the biggest issue that CJ has with Sweet. Afterall all CJ does is just to get Sweet to respect him as a brother.

[Anonymous No.7180239]

>>7177258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6tIIGU7xgk
Photo Opportunity is way worse, you have to drive forever to get to the mission too each time.

[Anonymous No.7180701]

>>7177258
The quintessential question of the 21st century

[Anonymous No.7180730]

>>7177258
The Water Temple is a damn maze, not a drive & shoot.

[Anonymous No.7181043]

San Andreas perpetually crashed on my hardware. How was this even possible in that day and age?

[Anonymous No.7181126]

>>7181043

>not having a PS2 in the mid 00's
no excuse since by 2005 the console was already half the price

[Anonymous No.7181143]

>>7177258
its easy really i always liked to jump on top of the train with the bike to get it over with quicker i think people are just lying when they say they had trouble with it

[Anonymous No.7181163]

>>7181143

I think a lot of them were under ten years old, same with the people who couldn't beat the Sonic 3 barrel.

[Anonymous No.7181171]

>>7181126
Awful performance.

[Anonymous No.7181561]

>>7179727
thanks

[Anonymous No.7181585]

>>7177258
>everyone's mind
I have never played a GTA game in my life, and I'd wager I'm not the only one here who can say that.

[Anonymous No.7181613]

>playing GTA SA for anything but SAMP

[Anonymous No.7181718]

As someone who's playing San Andreas right now there are way harder or more annoying missions. Guess most people just didn't get too far.

[Calamita No.7183419]

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[Anonymous No.7183962]

>>7177258
Zoomers like to complain about that mission but the hardest part in the game is by-far the flight school missions.

[Anonymous No.7183992]

>>7183962
>San Andreas
>Zoomers
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.7184251]

>>7177767
iirc you can literally backflip through the bossdoor without the key

[Anonymous No.7184263]

>>7177258
>caring about normalfag-auto
Do you also like call of normaltry?

[Anonymous No.7184274]

>>7180136
Real nerds that deserve video games are into shit like anime because it DOES NOT remind them of this planet. GTA and call of duty are not escapism tier games.

[Anonymous No.7184282]

Never understood the gripe about this mission. I beat it the very first time I played it with no trouble so I'm guessing the difficulty is just a meme.

[Anonymous No.7185051]

>>7177258
No, I have no idea why anyone finds this mission difficult. Literally all you have to do is follow the train. There's an ever so slight challenge of having to keep the right the distance from the train for Big Smoke to be able to shoot, which is the distance shown in the OP pic. Alternatively, there is at least one place where you can use a bridge to jump on top of the train if you're skilled enough, but this shouldn't be necessary if you keep the right distance because you'll complete the mission long before the opportunity presents itself. The only thing that I can see throwing someone off really badly is a scripted event where the train hits a car at one point and it explodes. I think most of notoriety of this mission comes from the mission failure screen with the notorious Big Smoke quote that would probably appear to be oversimplifying the mission to frustrated players until they figure out how to actually do it and prove itself to be true.

[Anonymous No.7186223]

>>7185051

I know for me, its because I was making the mission way more complicated than it needed to be. I was trying to shoot them myself. I was trying to land the bike ontop the train. I tried all sorts of dumb shit, except just letting Smoke smoke them.

[Anonymous No.7187420]

>>7184263
>newest japanese game on that list is pokemon stadium

b-b-but i thought the 360 made western games popular

[Anonymous No.7188694]

>>7180239
Jesus fuck, yes. Then you make one wrong turn too sharp and the car flips, Caesar dies, mission failed.
Every mission where the AI can't switch cars makes me rage.

[Anonymous No.7188703]

>>7180239
>>7188694
THERE GOES MY BURRITO

[Anonymous No.7189943]

>>7180730
Exatly this. The only reason Water Temple is infamous is only because people take a long time to find that stupid room/corridor under the entrance. It's more tedious to search for, especially through water and changing the water level, than difficult.

[Anonymous No.7189947]

>>7177258
No, it's just that San Andreas is the "Dark Souls" of GTA

[Anonymous No.7190142]

>>7177258
Let's turn this fucking thread in a myth thread!

[Anonymous No.7190939]

>>7179579
Torrent the game, apply crack hodlum 1.0. Install asi loader and silent patch. You're done.

[Anonymous No.7190952]

>>7190142
>Hola. Sõy el tío gilipollas de CJ.

Good times.

[Anonymous No.7190995]

>>7177754
That one is way easier than wrong side of the tracks, which is literally RNG.

[Anonymous No.7191002]

>>7179684
Because GTA is satirizing American culture from a foreigners perspective and it's set in 90s 'not LA'?
It ditches that plot straight away lmao.

[Anonymous No.7191005]

>>7181126
But I had an eck bok

[Anonymous No.7191015]

>>7183962
>flight school
>hard
You're one of those retards that plays a driving game by only steering and countersteering at maximum analog?

[Anonymous No.7191018]

>>7185051
Even then he still often doesn't kill them fast enough. It's quite common for him to kill 3 and leave 1 which is why people hate the mission.

[Anonymous No.7191058]

>>7177362
I was liking V until I got to a mission where Franklin is supposed to get out of the truck and shoot the police. He doesn't, so it breaks the game, since I can't progress in the story.
>just update
Games are supposed to be released without game breaking bugs. I'll just not play it any more.

[Anonymous No.7191078]

>>7177778
Everytime supply lines comes up a bunch if tags who played the patched rerelease show up saying it wasn't hard

[Anonymous No.7191104]

>>7177258
>t. retard that hugged the side of the train
You need to maintain a little distance. It's that easy.

[Anonymous No.7192612]

What was the actually hardest mission on this again excusing the Zero RC orig PS2 one?

[Anonymous No.7192617]

>>7177258
No, Big Smoke was just shit at aiming and you had to find a sweet spot.

[Anonymous No.7192630]

>>7179727
ANON YOU SILLY BUM THE PASTEBINS 404D

[Anonymous No.7194423]

>>7177258
No. Wrong Side of the Tracks was pretty easy if you weren't a retard.

As other anons have mentioned the real bitch in that game was Supply Lines. I will be specific and say the old Xbox version because the controller scheme was godawful for handling the RC plane.

[Anonymous No.7194492]

>>7183419
Never heard of the KACC corpses, where are they located?
>secret flower pot vehicle, bike melt glitch, ps2 gpu corruptions and blue hell used for the tier images
555-come on now

[Anonymous No.7194663]

>>7194423
That mission was hard because the plane steadily drained fuel even if you stayed still, and people tried to divebomb the vans instead of parking behind them and shooting, which wasted even more time.

[Anonymous No.7194961]

>>7194423
I find it amusing that Rockstar abandoned these sorts of gimmicky missions, I don't remember anything like those in 4 or 5. I guess it makes more narrative sense for CJ or whoever to destroy the vans like he normally would and not arbitrarily limit himself to a dinky little plane.

[Anonymous No.7195027]

>>7177258
>hating on the Water Temple
It was a bit tedious, but 10/10 art direction. One of my favorite temples

[Anonymous No.7195807]

>>7177375
I like the driving, the long drives are enjoyable for me

[Anonymous No.7195812]

>>7194423
I just completed this mission today lol. it's insanely hard, especially on pc controls

[Anonymous No.7195915]

>>7177258
>Water Temple

Ever heard of the Nino Ruins from Megaman Legends 2? The dungeon itself is short and straight forward, but Megaman Legends 2 decides to HALVE the game speed to grant you the experience of being under water that almost doubles the play time of that very same dungeon.

Had no problem chasing that damned train. Beaten it by simply gittin' gud.

[Anonymous No.7196530]

>>7191058

>refusing to update the game
>acting like this somehow doesn't make you a retard
Literally kill yourself. People like you are a detriment to society in all aspects, and a livestreamed suicide will be the only good you can ever accomplish.

[Anonymous No.7196567]

>>7177397
And then chase his cab without getting noticed, right? Yeah, that mission was bullshit and way worse than the one OP mentioned

[Anonymous No.7196590]

>>7177375
why does everyone pole jock vice city so hard? there were only 2 gangs in a 2 block radius on the entire map and they were completely insignificant.

[Anonymous No.7196863]

>>7196530
>People like you are a detriment to society
No, you're thinking about the ones like you that accept things and just consume them. Why should I have to go online for an offline game? What if I can't even go online? That's why games should arrive with no bugs that won't let you progress.
Now go talk to a therapist about anger issues.

[Anonymous No.7198249]

>>7196530
wow someone's THIS angry about how someone else plays with their electronic toys

[Anonymous No.7198261]

>>7183419
>CJ not a bustah
And I spent a lot of my childhood calling people "bustah" with my friends...