3rd Strike had pretty meh stages, didn't it?

[Anonymous No.7170981]

They're almost uniformly bland and uninteresting, compared with 2nd Impact.
And too many characters share stages (Ken/Alex, Neco/Twelve, Yun/Yang, Sean/Oro).
The basketball parry bonus stage is actually much more interesting than the one Ken and Alex share, and should have been used for one of them, in addition to doubling as a bonus stage (like Ken's stage in SFII)

[Anonymous No.7170985]

>>7170981
>basketball parry bonus stage
Pic related

[Anonymous No.7170989]

>>7170981
Not my favourite Street Fighter but they're not bad looking stages.

[Anonymous No.7170997]

>>7170981
https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-ode-to-the-beauty-of-street-fighter-iii-new-generation-2nd-impacts-stages-image-heavy.46445/
A poster claims hardware limits restricted the design of the stages.

[Anonymous No.7171013]

>>7170997
It's sad to think that one fewer character (like Twelve, who sucks and is gimmicky), and the savings on move sprites alone would have allowed for much more detailed backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.7171021]

>>7171013
Twelve can go invisible you noob.

[Anonymous No.7171028]

>>7171021
>invisibility
>cloning
These are gimmicky, tropey moves.
Also there's already one character in the game with a Frankensteinian backstory: Necro.

[Anonymous No.7171046]

>>7171028
Twelve can also walk under projectiles. He looks cool. Necro is a bum who can't even sing.

[Anonymous No.7171049]

I really was hoping that the Street Fighter 3 series would get a Compilation/Anthology by now. WTF is Capcom waiting for?

[Anonymous No.7171056]

>>7170981
pretty meh game that zoomers overhype

[Anonymous No.7171067]

I always found frustrating how each sequel of SF3 both fixed things but made others worse. Third Strike could have been much more perfect but they had to ruin some things (music, backgrounds, removing winner screens, etc).

Btw, in the recent Polygon feature, some Capcom developers admitted not liking some of the new characters for being too weird for SF, which is something we discussed here many times. It seems those characters were created for a different fighting game before SF3 was conceived.

[Anonymous No.7171083]

>>7171049
The 30th Anniversary Collection has all three

[Anonymous No.7171084]

>>7171056
What an utterly stupid thing to say, "zoomers" are playing mobile games and Minecraft or whatever flavor of the year PC games, not fighting games from the 90s.

Most people playing 3rd strike today are nearing or over 30 and grew up with arcades. The fighting game community in general is probably over 30 years old in average.

At this point "zoomer" became a meaningless buzzword for whatever people don't like.

[Anonymous No.7171118]

>>7171084
It is overhyped. Very little character selection as well since Chun li obliterates just about everyone.

[Anonymous No.7171151]

>>7171118
This.
It needs a proper remake with that jew perv's (Mike Z) recommendations for rebalancing, along with new, better stages.

[Anonymous No.7171170]

>>7171151
If they did a remake you might get another abomination like Sirlins HD Remix.

>Mike Z
Wasn't he found to be a sleaze or a racist or something along those lines?

[Anonymous No.7171171]

>>7171151
>>7171170
could've had that with 3S: Online Edition but the casual audience said that 3S was fine, despite tournament players saying they would've appreciated balance changes. Also, the fact that it's still stuck on PS3, XBox 360 and stuff like PS Now is a traversty. Bring it to PC already

[Anonymous No.7171181]

>>7171118
>It is overhyped
Yeah, some people hype it too much because of parry, I agree. But that is usually youtubers like Maximilian Dood or people who are very new to the game and just saw the Daigo vs Justin video, so this isn't really an issue at all if you actually are into the game and don't give a shit about youtuber crap.

>Very little character selection
There is great variety within the characters, how they play and how they react to different situations, even the same character can play very differently when using alternate supers, Makoto, Q and Oro just off the top of my head. Contrast this with games where you can choose from 50 characters but there is very little variation in playstyles.
Again, I fail to see how this is an actual issue and feels like nitpicking.

>Chun li obliterates just about everyone
And there it is, the one thing that people who have not really played the game for any significant amount of time always hold on to. It's become a cliche.

Chun-Li is easily the best character in the game with the best tools and a broken super, but parrying makes it so that every character, in every match-up, has an actual chance to win and there is no way you can constantly win using any of the top tiers against players of similar skill. Then there is the fact that Chun-Li isn't even popular, surprisingly few people play her, let alone do it WELL. Shotos are the most popular and many people main other characters like Oro, Urien, Makoto, Dudley or Hugo because they enjoy different play styles and it feels rewarding to learn and get good at these odd ball characters, setting yourself apart from the waves of Kens.
So you're not even going to run into many Chun-Lis online unless you only ever play the same two people, and if they know what they are doing it's a whole another story in itself.

In EVERY 3rd strike thread people say the same thing and I know they haven't played 3rd strike for shit and only repeat the same old bs.

[Anonymous No.7171187]

>>7171171
Remember Mr Tournament champion David Sirlin, a guy who had a deep understanding of game mechanics. He royally fucked up Super Turbo HD Remix. Game looked like absolute shit and his changes were unwelcomed.

Could Mike Z do a better job? Personally I would rather some Jap with a history from Capcom or SNK make it.

[Anonymous No.7171196]

>>7171187
I'd still trust Mike Z; his proposed balance patch seems fair enough for a remix (truth is, we're never getting SI Sean back) if not a little conservative regarding handing out buffs to some characters like Necro, Oro and Q.

[Anonymous No.7171198]

>>7171181
>I know they haven't played 3rd strike for shit
>Just Parry everything bro and you will win no matter who you pick

I played most of my 3S at arcades back in the day and I can tell you no one ever won shit with low tiers. I'm just a scrub but for you to say just parry everything makes me believe you know even less than me. 3S isn't like other Capcom fighters where low tiers still have good match ups.

[Anonymous No.7171256]

>>7171198
I can perfectly understand someone not liking 3rd strike for personal reasons, fun is subjective after all, but you are simply picking at minor details and non-issues to complain, except for Chun-Li, which like I said before is mitigated by parrying and the fact that few people actually play and know what to do with her.

I never said or implied that you should just parry everything, this is a blatant strawman and you showed yourself dishonest, so I'd be a fool to keep taking your words seriously or replying to you from now on.

Keep believing whatever you want about the game, it's clearly not for you, good bye anon.

[Anonymous No.7171393]

Street Fighter Zero 2 Ken Stage and the Lightning Field are my favorite from retro street fighter.

[Anonymous No.7171403]

Why is the only working rom of 3rd Strike in Korean

[Anonymous No.7171634]

>everyone just plays chun this game is bad lol
Why do scrub shitters always use this retort for why a game is bad? No fucking shit a lot of people will play a strong character, that doesn't make a game bad. Just because top tiers are more common doesn't mean a game's meta isn't deep. Teams in sports are never 1:1 equal, balance does not affect fun.

[Anonymous No.7171642]

>>7171403
You're fucking something up.

[Anonymous No.7171818]

>>7171642
None of the CHDs load properly and sfiii3nr1 is the only nocd version

[Anonymous No.7171874]

>hurr Chun too strong
git gud.

[Anonymous No.7171994]

>>7171874
Ken is the third strongest character in the game

[Anonymous No.7172225]

>>7171067
You can always find the casuals who don't actually know how to play fighting games because they bitch and complain about meaningless shit like backgrounds and music

[Anonymous No.7172559]

>>7172225
>meaningless shit like backgrounds and music
That's bullshit, nobody would like fighting games if they were just hitboxes on a boring background. They need personality. You want to appreciate the way things look if you're going to be looking at a game and practicing it for years on end. I doubt you'd find any top players that don't like the character designs and stuff in the game they play. If anything, it's a bad sign when somebody tries to act above it all and pretend style is meaningless.

[Anonymous No.7172887]

>>7171256
>I never said or implied that you should just parry everything,
>but parrying makes it so that every character, in every match-up, has an actual chance to win
Picking Sean is ice skating up hill. You act as if every decent player is parrying chun li super every round.

>Contrast this with games where you can choose from 50 characters but there is very little variation in playstyles.
What game were you referring to? Sounds like more of your bs.

>>7171634
>Why do scrub shitters always use this retort for why a game is bad? No fucking shit a lot of people will play a strong character, that doesn't make a game bad.
Since 3S is your first fighting game you've ever played I'll forgive you for not knowing any better. In most Capcom fighters low to mid tiers generally have good match ups against top tiers.

[Anonymous No.7172984]

>>7172887
>Since 3S is your first fighting game you've ever played I'll forgive you for not knowing any better. In most Capcom fighters low to mid tiers generally have good match ups against top tiers.
Are you agreeing with me or not?

[Anonymous No.7173181]

>>7172887
>What game were you referring to? Sounds like more of your bs
not him but Street Fighter V suffers from this really badly

[Anonymous No.7173269]

>>7172984
Does Chun li lose to any low to mid tiers? You really shouldn't have as much confidence as you do.

>>7173181
>SFV
Yuck.

[Anonymous No.7173334]

>>7170989
This is actually one of my favorites in all of Street Fighter.

[Anonymous No.7173352]

>>7171818
mate i had nocds for usa etc working in mame 119, sort yourself out

[Anonymous No.7173353]

>>7171187
>>7171196
Mike Z's balance changes were complete ass, and in truth all 3S needed was a touch up to bottom tiers (12, sean, alex, Q) and a complete re-balance for Chunners and Yun to be perfect.

>>7170981
yes, after listening to music and checking out the stages 2I and SFIII have stunning OST/backgrounds compared to 3s.

a shame we'll never get a 3s re-balance.

[Anonymous No.7173358]

>>7173269
chun loses to no characters and only dudley, yun, and I think Ken have 5-5 matches with her.

kuroda outright said chunner busts the game.

[Anonymous No.7173365]

I like the one with the racoon dog.

[Anonymous No.7173389]

>>7173358
>kuroda outright said chunner busts the game.
Not according to these /vr/ 3rd Strike experts.

>>7173353
I'm all for crazy buffs like Remy getting parries that push back and give him full charge. Not sure how that would be implemented but I'm against nerfs of any kind. Give me a roster of kings!

[Anonymous No.7173426]

>>7173352
where

[Anonymous No.7173524]

>>7173269
No top tiers have good matchups, that's why they're top tiers. My point is you're a retard for thinking any fighting game boils down to the single best character. No shit Chun Li is ridiculously good, that doesn't mean everyone is going to play her still. Top tiers don't suddenly make a fighting game "bad", realistically you're probably never going to reach a level of competence for tiers to even seriously matter.

[Anonymous No.7173631]

>>7173524
>Top tiers don't suddenly make a fighting game "bad", realistically you're probably never going to reach a level of competence for tiers to even seriously matter.
Thanks for pointing out that fighting games have tiers. Anything else insightful you have to add?

[Anonymous No.7173642]

>>7173524
>No top tiers have good matchups
And yes they do. We're not talking about banned characters.

[Anonymous No.7173650]

Tourneyfaggotry is a mental disease.

[Anonymous No.7173739]

>>7171994
Although yes he is, that exact scenario could have played out with any other character. It's the deflecting and counter that's the impressive part, nothing he does is really Ken specific.

[Anonymous No.7173748]

>>7173631
Yeah, you're a retard who knows nothing about the genre (:

[Anonymous No.7173759]

>>7170981
I liked SFIII and found the stages aesthetically pleasing. I think it is rather underrated compared to 2 and (not retro) 4. I have to play more of the Spin-Offs though

[Anonymous No.7173773]

>>7171084
lmao no, most people playing fighting games showed up because of SF4. Yes this includes most 3S players in any given tournament you go to, over half will be 09ers or even younger. Either way your argument is irrelevant because you don't have to play it to overhype a game. Just look at /vr/'s shitty 3S threads, it's virtually all people that unironically say Q and Twelve are cool.

[Anonymous No.7173787]

>>7173748
You act superior but then say dumb shit like top tiers have zero bad match ups. Of course you avoid that and carry on like you never said it.

>>7173739
>nothing he does is really Ken specific.
Kens stamina and damage output certainly helped secure that round.

[Anonymous No.7173808]

>>7171171
No, this is not the case. Nobody, NOBODY who is good at 3S wanted the game changed. It'd just split the playerbase and do the opposite of what the product is meant to do, which is bring it to modern audiences. Don't comment on things you don't understand, fighting games almost always refused balance patch updates until like 2014, only scrubs want balance patches.

>>7171170
Basically he's autistic and didn't think that heckling people for their race was a big deal or problematic. He wouldn't call anybody a nigger or anything, and I doubt he's an actual racist, he just comes from an environment where ridiculing people was seen as a way to toughen them up and encourage competition, which he values. But he's autistic so he doesn't know when to do it, and he'd treat his employees that way.

>>7171198
He's not saying that, he's saying parry is an equalizer. Every character has the tool equally, and it's one of the strongest tools in the game. It doesn't change who is stronger, it just makes the gap between them smaller. Chun Li beats Ryu and Dudley, but she beats Dudley more, yet because of parrying the total gap in both matchups is closer than it would be otherwise.

>>7172225
Elena's stage is actually bad in 3S, though, it's a good thing she's not a popular character.

[Anonymous No.7173826]

>>7171187
That's not how balance works. Nobody actually put their reputation on the line and claimed HDR had substantially worse balance than ST. People who play games like Overwatch, Starcraft, or Dota think that balance is just the bar from 1 to 10 and you place the game somewhere on that bar to indicate how balanced it is.

The reality is that ST is an old game, everybody who plays it knows how to play it, if they cared about the balance they'd have stopped playing long before HDR came out, and then there's the final real problem the balance patch has to prove out of the game: The game needs to be more balanced obviously at first glance for anyone with a brain to bother committing any time to learning it. You have to actually go through a process of learning the game, why would anyone do that for something that looks only about as overall balanced as ST? If you cared about how imbalanced ST was, you'll find plenty of problems in HDR, too.

The only argument for a rebalancing of ST would be if it was from the community. And no, some guy who placed well at Evo doesn't count as the community. HDR is literally just his version of SF2, which is a super whatever reason for anyone who isn't him to play it.

[Anonymous No.7173829]

Chun-Li in this game is pure boner fuel

[Anonymous No.7173845]

>>7173808
>It doesn't change who is stronger
I think it makes Chun even stronger considering how powerful her punishes are. You could take parrying away from her and I'd say the tiers would stay around the same.


>>7173826
>The only argument for a rebalancing of ST would be if it was from the community.
I was only replying to someone asking for a remake, reminding them of Sirlins piss poor attempt.

>If you cared about how imbalanced ST was
Never have. Big fan of ST.

[Anonymous No.7173859]

>>7173845
>I think it makes Chun even stronger considering how powerful her punishes are.
You're wrong, Dudley doesn't have punishes on her at all unless he scores a good parry. The actual damage output of both characters significantly levels out when parries are included in the game, though since it's a universal mechanic it'll never reverse a matchup.

And nah, she'd get blown up by any divekick character or someone with good mixups if they had a parry and she didn't.

[Anonymous No.7174035]

>>7173787
>No, top tiers have good matchups
These were my exact words, I simply forgot the comma. If you can actually show me where I said top tiers always have zero bad matchups I would be impressed.

[Anonymous No.7174193]

>>7174035
I don't know what you're trying to say to be honest. At first you said everyone picks strong characters and then not everyone picks chun li. You sound like one of those schitzo shmup anons.

>>7173859
Oh, I wasn't being specific to Dudley, just trying to say the rich get richer kind of thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xidXHA8c7Ic

[Anonymous No.7174208]

>>7170997
>RETARDERA

Shame on you.

[Anonymous No.7174223]

>>7171067
>>7170997
>Polygon
>ReeeeeeeesetEra

Why? just Why?

[Anonymous No.7174651]

https://twitter.com/Fugo3s/status/1329491328510664706

>3rd Strike Cooperation Cup 18 update!
>With 31 teams entered so far, the character selection is this:
>KE - 20
>MA - 16
>CH, UR - 15
>DU - 14
>YU - 12
>AL, RY - 8
>EL. GO, NE - 7
>YA - 6
>IB, Q, RE - 4
>HU, TW - 3
>OR - 2
>SE - 0
Uh...redditbros. I thought our narrative said people only play chun since she's the only viable character. Why exactly are people choosing characters they enjoy instead?

[Anonymous No.7174672]

>>7174651
Thats a team based tournament anon.

[Anonymous No.7174679]

>>7174672
What is that suppose to mean? Are you implying chun isn't the best character just because of the format?

These people would play those characters regardless, it's not like they just decide to pull out a pocket chun for regular events.

[Anonymous No.7174689]

>>7174679
That tournament is still mainly top to mid tiers.

Why don't you post regular tournaments and their results if you're so confident.

[Anonymous No.7174702]

Complaining about Chun-Li is the definitive mark of a scrub that got bodied and then quit without trying at all
No one ITT knows how to play 3rd strike or ever tried to at all

[Anonymous No.7174726]

>>7174689
https://forums.shoryuken.com/t/sbo-character-counts/34415

SBO5: 96 [3-on-3]
21 Chun-Li
19 Yun
11 Ken
09 Urien
06 Gouki
05 Makoto
05 Dudley
04 Ibuki
03 Yang
03 Remy
03 Necro
02 Oro
02 Elena
01 Twelve
01 Ryu
01 Alex
00 Sean
00 Q
00 Hugo

SBO4: 96 [3-on-3]
17 Yun
14 Ken
14 Chun-li
09 Dudley
07 Urien
06 Gouki
05 Ryu
05 Oro
05 Makoto
04 Yang
03 Hugo
02 Necro
02 Ibuki
01 Remy
01 Elena
01 Alex
00 Twelve
00 Sean
00 Q

SBO3: 64 [2-on-2]
09 Ken
08 Yun
08 Chun-li
05 Dudley
04 Twelve
04 Oro
04 Gouki
03 Urien
03 Necro
03 Makoto
03 Hugo
02 Yang
02 Ryu
02 Ibuki
01 Remy
01 Q
01 Elena
01 Alex
00 Sean

SBO2: 96 [3-on-3]
12 Yun
11 Ken
10 Urien
10 Dudley
09 Chun-Li
07 Makoto
06 Ryu
06 Gouki
04 Yang
04 Ibuki
03 Remy
03 Q
03 Oro
03 Necro
02 Alex
01 Twelve
01 Hugo
01 Elena
00 Sean

The only even she was dominant in from here was SBO5, and then it wasn't just her.
>>7174702
I tried, not really a fan of parries, I just play vsav now.

I'm just tired as fuck of idiots who think every game boils down to one character being usable. Like four people actually make a living from this genre, most people will use who they like and play for fun.

[Anonymous No.7174734]

>>7170985

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2RhcJvuaQ

[Anonymous No.7174753]

>>7174726
Initially I said 3rd Strike has little character selection and going off those results it looks like Chun, Ken and Yun prove just that.

If you're willing to put in extra work you can use whoever you want.

[Anonymous No.7174758]

>>7173787
>Kens stamina and damage output certainly helped secure that round.

Nice deflecting from the point.

[Anonymous No.7174767]

>>7174758
What was your point? Had Twelve with XNDL been in that situation the fight wouldn't have ended there.

[Anonymous No.7174842]

>>7173829
>Chun-Li in this game is pure boner fuel
I would rather fuck Ibuki or Elena, desu.

[Anonymous No.7174923]

>>7173808
>Nobody, NOBODY who is good at 3S wanted the game changed. It'd just split the playerbase
>only scrubs want balance patches.

You're half right. With a game as old as 3S at this point a balance patch like that would do nothing but split the player base which would be counter productive.

However in the first six months to a year of a new fighter being released to the public is where a lot of balance issues bubble to the surface and patching can greatly improve that balance. In that case it's only scrubs who do not want it patched.

[Anonymous No.7174961]

>>7174767
Yeah and maybe if a retarded Elena player used her healing, but the point you're deflecting is that almost any character could have made that same comeback. The impressive part has nothing at all to do with Ken.

[Anonymous No.7175608]

>>7174689
All tournaments are mostly top tiers, that's just fighting games. If what you're saying was true Chun would be top in all of them. Who do you even think you're kidding?

[Anonymous No.7175628]

>>7174842
Elena for me.

[Anonymous No.7175712]

>>7175628
Seconded. Easily the hottest SF girl.

[Anonymous No.7176561]

>>7174753
Yes that just shows who people most use in a tournament. Tiers like that are never all that meaningful for general play.

[Anonymous No.7177056]

>>7173829
in which game she is not pure boner fuel?

[Anonymous No.7177267]

>>7177056
SFIV and SFV, the models are hideous there.

[Anonymous No.7177321]

>>7173808
>Nobody, NOBODY who is good at 3S wanted the game changed.
I kinda have to agree with you. Just look at those Mortal Kombat Tournament Edition. They were made to balance out both 2 and U3, but are likely long forgotten in favor of MK2+/UMK3+ which only made bug fixes, implemented unused features, and added new content to the games like tag battle.

[Anonymous No.7177434]

>>7175608
>Chun would be top in all of them.
Evo 2005 results 1st Chun, 2nd Chun, 3rd and 4th Yun, 5th Chun 5th Dudley 7th Chun 7th Chun. Thats one high mid tier character in top 8.

Evo 2008 top 5 places were Chun.

>Who do you even think you're kidding?
I never said she was the only viable character but if Chun li were in the NBA she'd be 8ft tall.

[Anonymous No.7177448]

>>7177267
You don't like big hands and feet mode?

[Anonymous No.7177527]

>>7177267
can’t agree

[Anonymous No.7177773]

>>7172225
I guess this is why SFV looks and sounds like shit.

[Anonymous No.7177891]

>>7177056
contemplate

[Anonymous No.7177905]

>>7177773
all those 7s
you forgot plays like shit too btw

[Anonymous No.7178471]

>>7177434
Yeah she's in the handful of top tiers that people gravitate to when in tournaments just like every fighting game ever. Why are you bitching about her, not Yun? Your whole argument seems to be that there's a tier list and one of the higher placed characters tends to get played a lot... As if that's news to anyone.

[Anonymous No.7178487]

>>7178471
>just like every fighting game ever.
Most fighting games tend to have more than 3 character to choose from if you want to win..

>Your whole argument seems to be that there's a tier list and one of the higher placed characters tends to get played a lot
What argument? I said 3S has little character variation at the top with her being an example.