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I'm playing this for the first time ever and I'm having a blast. I'm a 35 years old pc gamer who always looked down on the n64 for its awful graphics and even worse controller but once you give this game a chance it will suck you in. Its funny but this game seems more 3d than modern games. I think its because of the camera work that was thought after, you go up a slope and you notice it because of the camera. Maybe it also feels more 3d because of simple geometric shapes? I really don't know but this is a great game and the only problem I have is the camera like when a bolder rolls behind me and I can't see it or other annoying stuff like that. I also can't still quite figure out how to select the slingshot and attack without being in first person view and why is first person inverted anyway. I'm really having fun here and it has been ages since I enjoyed a game like this, I've been unfair to the n64 all those years. Always loved 2d Pixel art and hated the n64 for "killing" it like 2d (which aged like fine vine) had to get replaced by 3d (which already looked bad back then but now I can ignore it and just enjoy the game).

>> No.7162583

It just goes to show: good game design doesn't age.

>> No.7162593

A friend of mine had a similar reaction to you once he played OOT. He was a "master race" (before the master race meme even existed) who looked down upon consoles, but when he was able to emulate N64 and played OOT, he was blown away, to the point of saying things like "I can see why they say it's the best game of all time".
It's nice that people can stop being system warriors for a second and actually enjoy games.

>> No.7162634

>>7162578
It really is great. I'm not a huge fan of the 5th gen and I think most of the games from it haven't aged well, but OOT easily stands the test of time. The dungeon designs especially. They're huge and intricate, even by modern standards, and all have a unique vibe to them. To this day I don't think I've played a game with better designed dungeons. The soundtrack as well. What the game lacks in graphics, it makes up with an amazing soundtrack that sets the atmosphere perfectly for each area.

>> No.7162636

I remember my first time playing N64, It was 2007 and one of my friends was giving away her stuff because "she didn't need it anymore", I got her N64, booted up good ol' Super Mario, and wow.

>> No.7162637

>>7162578
I played through it right when it was released as a kid. Last week I ordered the 3DS version and I’m looking forward to playing through it again at some point.

>> No.7162648

>>7162593
>He was a "master race" (before the master race meme even existed

Yes that's totally me. My first console ever was the 360 and that's because it could play my pc games but less buggy. No joke for some reason I could not progress in the scare crow part in batman a bug prevented me from doing it, 360 version just worked fine.

Also I love Pixel art and the first gen of 3d consoles is still something I look down on. Those wobbly textures of the ps1 just disgust me. I bet I have missed out on a lot of great games because I have avoided the ps1 but are they really still playable? I mean I had Tomb Raider on PC, the tank controls of resident evil are just awful and sure call it a filter but have those people played and beaten the alone in the dark games? This is what I've played as a pc gamer.

Also is it really the best game of all time? It's impressive how zelda ALWAYS pulls that off. Zelda on the NES is a classic and master piece (2 is a stinker. Is there a rom hack that makes it suck less? I admire that they tried something different for once though), zelda on the snes is one of the best snes games, I had a game boy and boy did I love zelda on the game boy and zelda on the n64 is yet another master piece and botw is the reason why the switch sold. Wow oh and I forgot twilight princess made people buy the wii, I never got into that one, I've tried but it just annoyed me. Maybe I will realize that it's actually a good game too one day.
Really how does the zelda series do it?

>> No.7162657

>>7162636
So what exactly made you wow and what was your experience in detail? I mean it was 2007 already. You sure were used to modern graphics and games.

>> No.7162669
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I have always loved Loom. It's one of the most unique games ever. Doing stuff with a magic stick you play notes on. The ocarina kinda reminds me of that and it's a nice game feature.

>> No.7162670
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>>7162637
OOT 3D is good, don't listen to the anons who post the collage with comparison pics. Yes some lighting is changed and in some ways the original can have more charm, but you can perfectly like both. I liked the new look of the remake, not too different to the original, but more detailed. The gyroscope and the touch menu are godsend QoL additions. Enjoy!

>> No.7162731

>>7162670
>QoL additions

What does that mean?
I also have a hacked 3ds but I want to enjoy it on the big screen with the wonderful gamecube controller which is really comfy. Experience the original deal. Not saying the remaster is bad would welcome it on the switch but I just don't want to stare down at a tiny screen. Makes my neck hurt after a while, I have the same problem with books unfortunately. Holding something up gives me cramps in my arms and my neck will ache.

>> No.7162749

>>7162731
quality of life, meaning more accessible options (such as being able to equip and unequip the iron boots on the fly without having to pause the game)

>> No.7162754

>>7162670
>>7162731
OOT 3D isn't terrible. There are some questionable aesthetic changes but it's largely true to the original. Majora's Mask 3D, on the other hand, is an abomination and should be avoided at all costs.

>> No.7162796

I don't get the Hylian shield. All he does is duck. I thought this was the superior should. With the Deku shield projectiles of enemies can bounce off. I dont see any use for the Hylian shield.

>> No.7162814

>>7162796
Major spoiler alert. You will be able to hold it like a real shield when you pull the master sword from the stone and become an adult

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>>7162814
It'll come in handy later and it won't burn like the kokiri shield

>> No.7162831

>>7162814
I didn't read your spoiler yet. I'm currently in the Dudungo cave or whatever it's called with those laser eyes in the area of those stone eaters if you know what I mean. I'm not really sure what to do here or where to go. Got a hint?
I think it's save to assume I can keep on using my Deku shield until I notice that I need it because whats the point in covering or can that be handy?

>> No.7162837

>>7162823
Yeh the guard before death mountain told me I should get a better shield or something but I already had it. Just tested every tomb stone. Shame 99 is the max rupee count, got that real quickly but don't think I really need money.

It's super annoying that whenever you boot up the game and load a save you start in your own house and have to walk the entire way to wherever you were when you last saved. What were they thinking?

>> No.7162850

>>7162831
Beamos? Kill them with the bomb flowers. Also, the hylian shield will be useful against the boss of Dodongo Cavern, even with only being able to crouch to guard.
>>7162837
> 99 is the max rupee count
There are ways of upgrading it
> you start in your own house and have to walk the entire way to wherever you were when you last saved
This should not be the case. If it is your game is bugged. You start at whatever entrance through which you entered the area you saved in. So the beginning of the dungeon if you're in one, or the entrance to the town if you're in a town. The only reason you should spawn at your house is if you saved in Kokiri Forest.

>> No.7162853

>>7162831
Post a screenshot of your game if you want more help BTW. I know the game very well and I can probably tell you how to solve whatever room/puzzle you're on.

>> No.7162856

i'm also playing zelda on an emulator but i'm playing majora's mask and once i finish it i intend to play ocarina

you should try majora's mask afterwards, it's just as good if not better

i played both on the N64 when they both came out in '98 and '00 and i still consider them to be the best games i've ever played

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Is it worth buying an N64 to play OOT? I'm playing it on DS and its very good. I'm worried I'm missing the full experience though.

>> No.7162868

>>7162865
Not really. The only benefit is that playing the ocarina is much better with the c-buttons.

>> No.7162870

>>7162865
You can just emulate it. The worst part about the 3DS version is the laziness in recreating some of the cutscenes IMO. I also prefer the look of the prerendered backgrounds in the N64 version, but that's just me.

>> No.7162889

>>7162865
An actual N64? Fuck no. But emulating the N64 version is worth it. You can even emulate the Zelda Collector's Edition verison in Dolphin if you don't want to deal with shitty N64 emulators. The 3DS version is mostly fine, but I do think there's something to be said for playing on a bigger, higher res screen. The resolution on a 3DS is actually worse than the resolution the original ran at.

>> No.7162925

>>7162889
>The resolution on a 3DS is actually worse than the resolution the original ran at.
Not on the N64. On the GC and Wii it was 480i but it was originally 240p.

>> No.7163007

>>7162925
Oh, my mistake then. I've never played anything on a real N64. My first playthrough of OOT as a kid was on Gamecube and I definitely remember it looking better than the 3DS version resolution wise. Of course if you play in an emulator you can crank the res as high as you want. Actually, can you do that on the GC version since you're emulating a Gamecube emulating an N64? If not then an N64 emulator might be the way to go.

>> No.7163149

>>7162850
it's been awhile but I seem to remember that:
you always start at the dungeon entrance if you left off in a dungeon
but if you left off in the overworld
kid link will start at his house
adult link will start in the temple of time

>> No.7163209

>>7162578
I played OOT on GC, then on 3DS, and again on 3DS as Master Quest, then MM on GCN and again on 3DS. Both are masterpieces, the contrarian hatred of them spawned as backlash to /r/gaming type faggotry or from sequelitis and egoraptor will hopefully pass so we can have legitimate threads about these games again

>> No.7163212

>>7162831
this thread makes me happy, keep enjoying the game op

>> No.7163243
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posting best girl

>> No.7163249
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>>7163243

>> No.7163251
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>>7163249

>> No.7163320

>>7162670
OoT 3DS is fucking disgusting. There's no worse way to play this game.

>> No.7163818

>>7163209
All of the things you mentioned are masterpieces except Majora's Mask 3D, which is genuinely a horrible port that butchers the game in a multitude of ways. I hope no one experiences it that way as their first playthrough, because the original IS a masterpiece, while the 3DS version is not.

>> No.7163821

>>7163320

yea it's gross. they fucked with the walking animation too when they upped the fps to 30. looks all wrong

>> No.7163831
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>>7162578
It's just fackin' good mate.

>> No.7163857

>>7163320
Way to exaggerate. Some things may be preferable on the original but it has many things in its favor too. It's a great way to play through it, although I's advice playing the original first (original version with red blood, etc)

>> No.7163871

>>7162578
Make sure to play majoras mask afterwards if you like Oot. It mixes up everything enough to completely unique. Its probably my favorite Zelda ever but it has to be “preloaded” with playing through OOT a few times to fully enjoy it. In my opinion. I totally cheat the time limit every time though. Rushing all the time doesnt appeal to me at all.

>> No.7163968

>>7163818
Hi Nerrel

>> No.7164013

>>7163968
nerrel is based. his videos are good for redpilling normies and zoomers on nu-nintendo's bullshittery

>> No.7164041

Dudes, I remember when OoT was advertised in the TV. I am so old. It's kinda sad but relieving at the same time.

>> No.7164048

>>7164041
https://youtu.be/3dnW8QJxHD0

>> No.7164081

>>7164013
You know i usually try to avoid anything the algorithm is pushing that hard but i don't mind that guys vids.

>> No.7164180

>>7163968
>implying Nerrel invented MM3D hate
It literally breaks multiple transform powers and makes all the boss fights worse, among other things. Majora's Mask has an army of diehards who were all up in arms at what a fuck up MM3D was.

>> No.7164948

>>7163968
I have no idea who your zoomer eceleb is. I hate MM3D because I can play it and anyone with an ounce of brains can see it's a bad remake. It completely ruins every boss with godawful zoomer redesigns. It nerfs every transformation mask for no reason. It downgrades the lighting and makes everything brighter which is especially bad in a game that was originally known for its dark atmosphere. And a ton of other stuff that I was going to type out, but the list is so fucking so long just off the top of my head that I don't care enough to do it for some retard on 4chan. Look up a more detailed comparison list if you really want to know.

>> No.7164973

>>7162648
>Retard with shit taste in everything hates the only good Zelda game

>> No.7165470

>>7162856
What emulator are you using? Emulating n64 still doesn't work well in 2020 or does it?

>> No.7165547

>>7164973
What do you gain from your hate?

>> No.7165557
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>>7162578
I'm 35 and what is this?

>> No.7165719

>>7165557
DONT INTERRUPT ME

>> No.7165959

>>7165470
I'm playing Custom Robo right now in RetroArch with the Mupen core and a Switch pro controller and it works fine

>> No.7166084

>>7162637
Less than ten posts in and people are already talking about the Nintendo DS. Just play Breath of the Wild bro, it's the quintessential retro Zelda game.

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>>7166084
>the zelda game that is nothing like any previous entries aside from setting is the quintessential zelda game bro

>> No.7166229

>>7162796

You can use it to cover from rocks that fall from above

>> No.7166235

>>7163249
ZORA'D

>> No.7166247

>>7166084
It takes a special type of autism to be upset about someone else playing a port of a retro game on a handheld console that is already end of life.

>> No.7166262

>>7166084
The DS and 3DS are retro. From a technological standpoint, the DS is a 5th gen console and the 3DS is a 6th gen console. Cope and seethe.

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>>7166235

>> No.7166316

>>7166262
>2011 handheld
>retro

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>>7166308

>> No.7166462

>>7166316
Yes. Technologically it fits best with the 6th gen.

>> No.7166556

>>7166462

my penis fits best with your mother

>> No.7166565

ITT: literal children post cringey larp and circlejerk like they're on Reddit.

>> No.7166604

>>7162754
why

>> No.7166608

>>7165557
These games are getting really realistic.

>> No.7166641

>>7165557

remember when bill gates was cool? yea me neither

>> No.7166698

>>7162657
What other games are there that use platforming physics like Mario 64?

>> No.7166709

>>7166604
He's wrong. The restoration patched remake is largely superior to the original and fixes most of the hacked together nonsense that it was comprised of.

>> No.7166714

>>7162831
I really love that you're just trying to figure out stuff by yourself. Really try to figure out most of the game like this as much as possible.

>> No.7166784

>>7166262
based retard

>> No.7166916

>>7162578
You sound like an autist. Glad you finally got over it at the age of 30 fucking 5

>> No.7166934

>>7166604
I already described it here. >>7164948 The biggest points are
> All the transformation masks are nerfed in some way, along with some other items like ice arrows
> The bosses are completely ruined with horrible redesigns that are worse than the original in every way
> The lighting is massively downgraded. Everything is brighter which is especially bad in a game like Majora's Mask that's supposed to have a dark and mysterious atmosphere

>> No.7167187

>>7166934
> All the transformation masks are nerfed in some way, along with some other items like ice arrows

Right, but the restoration patch fixes this

> The lighting is massively downgraded.

No. This is true for OoT, but MM has its art hugely improved overall over the mess that it was in its N 64 form.

>> No.7167196 [DELETED] 

Zelda
Threadly reminder that Joe reditter simped for erin matei and got butthurt when mike rejected his pitched avgn episode script but he just ate it when mike replied in a "lmao I dont care faggot" matei fashion and then joe lashed out against fucking tony (KEK)
Also reminder joe has yet to fire back at mike after mike humiliated joe and exposed him as a cheater on a j&mm episode

>> No.7167259

>>7167196
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

>> No.7167268 [DELETED] 

>>7167259
Ecelebs. Joe from gamesack, erin and mike from screenwav

>> No.7167395

>>7167196
How do you know this much bullshit about literal nobodies from the internet?

>> No.7167683

>>7166698
Gex?

>> No.7167754

>>7163212
Hey thanks. I will report about my progress in here then.

I have a PAL Wii and I only found the American WAD online. Converted it to PAL and boy the audio really stutters and glitches in certain areas :/ thanks Nintendo for killing your online service and a shame euro piracy isn't so big so I always find NTSC stuff.

>> No.7167757

>>7163818
What makes it so bad and different? I thought they are just ports after all or what are the drastic charges?

>> No.7167759

>>7163871
I've tried it ages ago but the fact that there is a time limit stresses me the fuck out. I'm a slow gamer who doesn't rush through a game. I take everything in and I take some time, not possible in this game so it isn't a comfy experience but a stressful one where I constantly feel put under pressure.

>> No.7167816

>>7164048
How long does it take for Link to empty one bottle. Looks like the n64 froze. The fact Nintendo was okay with that.

>> No.7167826

>>7165557
One of the coolest things Bill ever did. Remember I'm a pc gamer so of course I've spent ages playing Doom and I even do it today. The Doom community is a great place.
When it's about pc gaming we can talk, I know it all but the n64 is something I've avoided. I've also started coding at an early age and I would make games on my pc that's why consoles weren't a thing for me. My pc was a powerhouse that gave me so many possibilities.

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>>7162578
What a dumb asshole you are, Jesus Christ I hate faggots like you so god damn much.

So you were shitting on a console and its games for 20 years and you never even gave it a chance, nice.
This is why I don't discuss video games with anyone anymore, just console war and autistic screeching.

Neck yourself faggot.

>> No.7167858

>>7162578
>more 3d
Mainly because knew games are overtextured and also everyone is copying mmo style where you are higher above the player. They sell the best. Easy to see behind you, normalfaggots love this as much as a first person shooter ironically.

>being 35 and having never touched Zelda
You're gay by the by.

>> No.7167862

>>7167858
*new

>> No.7168239

>>7162648
>2 is a stinker. Is there a rom hack that makes it suck less? I admire that they tried something different for once though
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5440/

>> No.7168248

>>7162578
>awful graphics
Do you think the pc was doing any better in 2000?

>> No.7168251

>>7167840
based

>> No.7168319

>>7168248

not but pc games ran at more than 20 fps at the time

>> No.7168357

It's really a magical game, I'm tempted to try it out with my Dualshock 4 controller though I wish the N64 had two sticks instead of the C buttons.

>> No.7168471

>>7167757
MM3D actually makes gameplay changes.
In the original, there were multiple ways to kill the bosses. In the 3DS remake all bosses have giant eyes and you generally need to use a specific item to damage those eyes.
Zora swimming was slowed down.
Deku water skipping now has weird momentum.
Ice arrows no longer freeze water anywhere, only in predetermined glowing spots.

The biggest issue for me is Zora swimming. Swimming in the great bay in the original is fun, it felt like controlling a dolphin.

>> No.7169162

>>7167840
>So you were shitting on a console and its games for 20 years and you never even gave it a chance, nice.

No that's not true. I was a pc gamer. Friends had all the consoles. I remember when golden eye came out and everyone was so excited about it. I tried it and laughed my ass off
>wtf is this? Babies first FPS

With someone coming from pc I was used to FPS and I thought popular golden eye was awful.
I also played some zelda when it came out at a friend's and it didn't tickle me fancy. I also tried it several times over the years but the graphics are just fucking hideous. The beginning where the bolder rolls around and you can't see it because of the shitty camera often made me quit.
So trust me I have played n64 the day it got released here and tried it several times over the years but other than Doom 64 I didn't really like that thing especially because of that awful controller I still hate with a passion. Playing it with a gamecube controller already fixes some stuff. So no I never ignored the n64.

>> No.7169218

>>7162578
lock on to an enemy to fire the slingshot in 3rd person

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>>7167187
> No. This is true for OoT, but MM has its art hugely improved overall over the mess that it was in its N 64 form.
IDK what you're smoking, but MM3D's art is WAY worse than the original. Look up any comparison shot and the demaster has way worse lighting. Usually much brighter and completely loses the atmospheric lighting of the original. Pic related is a good example, but not cherry picked by any means. Just Google "Majora's Mask 3D comparison" and you will see it's the same in every level. It's actually hard to find a comparison shot where the downgrade ISN'T noticeable. OOT has this problem too, but to a much lesser extent.

>> No.7169765

>>7169286
>Just Google "Majora's Mask 3D comparison" and you will see it's the same in every level

It's absolutely not and the vast majority of places have much improved lighting and environmental detail.

I don't see how you could say this isn't superior.

https://imgur.com/t/ranch/J4reak3

>OOT has this problem too, but to a much lesser extent.
There are a few over-saturated areas, but this is much less of a problem in MM3D compared to OoT3D, where most of the most important areas and scenes are screwed up in some way.

>> No.7169807

>>7169286
You don't even really need graphics comparisons to say as to why MM3D isn't as good. They totally ruined some of the mask powers, most notably the Zora swimming. It used to be fun using each mask for various means of getting around, it was made totally no-fun-allowed in the remake