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Why does /vr/ and nintendo hate it

>> No.7154086 [DELETED] 

/vr/ is easily filtered by anything slightly hard.

>> No.7154090

because it's not as good as the first game, or the third

>> No.7154094

>>7154070
I never played anything this well balanced until I beat a boss in metroid prime 3 with 25 health and 0 missiles left

>> No.7154161
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7154161

>random encounters
>in a platformer
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAGAGAHAGAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.7154171

>>7154090
>because it's not as good as the first game, or the third
Thats where you're wrong.

>> No.7154180

>>7154161
dumb frog poster

>> No.7154208

>>7154070
Cause it's a shit game.
/thread
>>7154171
He's right actually. Stay triggered

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>>7154208
>triggered
3rd game better then 2? Come on.

>> No.7154221

>>7154161
What does Mario 3 have to do with this topic though?

>> No.7154261

>>7154218
Yes. Personally I think Link to the past is super overrated but it's still better than Zelda 2

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>>7154261
>but it's still better than Zelda 2

>> No.7154275

>>7154270
I literally consider Zelda 2 the worst Zelda game on account of the stupid combat, boring dungeons and the whole limited lives + exp system in a fucking zelda game. It pretty much fails at every level to be a zelda game besides a few names here or there.

Don't know why it's so hard for some people to grasp that people actually like Zelda and want it out of a Zelda game.

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>>7154275
>Zelda 2 the worst Zelda game
And I consider it the best. They switched it up similar to how they switched up Mario 2, which I also consider the best of the NES Marios.

Maybe you hold the Zelda to a higher standard than I do but I don't think that much of em. Never finished Majoras mask, Wind Waker or even started on Twilight Princess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-VUVvvlQK8&list=PL0ECC56A72000EB97&index=10

>> No.7154380

>>7154275
Not a REAL zelda game is such a lame brain argument. If it was differen't and worse, you would have a point, but it wasn't. The combat is challenging and engaging, especially for a sword and sworcery game at the time. It also invented the down thrust, which is the best move in any zelda game.

compare that to zelda 3 which made minimal changes from the original, while adding dumb shit like the spin attack.

>> No.7154495 [DELETED] 

>>7154180
Fuck off libcuck

>> No.7154674

>>7154380
>If it was differen't and worse, you would have a point
It literally is there. The combat is boring to do and the exploration is fucking shit.

>> No.7154715

>>7154161
>random encounters

I bet you didn't even know encounters don't happen when you stay on the roads

>> No.7154756

>>7154070
because it fucking sucks, that's why

>> No.7154764

>>7154218
>>7154270
Imagine thinking there's any Zelda game worse than 2 lmao

>> No.7154767

>Zelda 2 '''fans''' hate Zelda
Can't say I'm surprised really. I guess it's not hipster enough to enjoy them

>> No.7154954

>>7154070
>confusing hate for the shills with hate for the game

>> No.7154967

>>7154090
>the third
Wrong. Zelda II is, in fact, peak Zelda.

>> No.7154969

>>7154161
Platformer? It’s actually the only jarpig in the series.

>> No.7154974

>>7154208
Ask me how I know you’re a stupid zoomer tranny and/or faggot.

>> No.7154983

>>7154674
You probably just suck. It actually has some of the best combat of all time.

>> No.7154994

Minish Cap shits all over these grandpa games
*flosses*

>> No.7155078

>>7154974
Because you're delusional and can't possibly image someone having a different opinion than you unless they're one of those easily dismissed 'others' you let live rent free in your head?
>>7154983
>It actually has some of the best combat of all time.
Play more video games

>> No.7155093

>>7154994
based. LA HORAAAAAA

>> No.7155535
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7155535

what were they thinking.

>> No.7155559

>>7154070
Nintendo doesn't, actually. Miyamoto thinks it was full of untapped potential though, because they never strayed from the design docs. Normally they would incorporate ideas they had in the middle of development as they got a better sense of what they were making. Not so with Zelda 2. Still, it's well liked at Nintendo, which is why it's been partially remade a number of times internally as a means for developers to test new hardware. That's why those recent Nintendo leaks had 16-bit versions of Link's Zelda 2 sprites.

>>7154994
>zoomer prefers game where trading pokemon rocks makes the game explore for you
figures

>> No.7155568

Underneath the bullshit and the difficulty is an incredibly rewarding experience. Play it with a walkthrough. Suffer through the game until you get the downward slash that lets Link use his sword like a pogo stick and by that time, if you didn't get filtered, you just might find yourself enjoying the game immensely.

>> No.7155727

I mean, the game wouldn't be bad if it wasn't for the fact that the combat is awful

>> No.7155931

Zelda 2 fans are hilarious because they know people hate the shitty game and cope by claiming that it's literally the best thing ever
>actually the combat is perfect!
>actually it's literally flawless!
>no one could possibly dislike it unless they're underage!

>> No.7156000

>>7155931
I enjoy zelda 2.

>> No.7156053

>>7156000
I'm glad for you

>> No.7156097

>>7154070
people on here like it you FAG

>> No.7156297

>>7154994
Shit cap is the first bad 2d Zelda

>> No.7156319

It's pretty fun.... I think once you know enemy patterns the game is a blast. i.e. guys with axes you have to move and hit in a beat, axe throwers you jump hit, iron knuckles, you have to jump hit and keep distance, spears spam a bit, its a pretty fun game when you know this stuff flying enemies become really fucking annoying but I think it's a pretty great game, play with a guide Nintendo power or like Zeldadungeons the game basically is intended to use it

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7156459

You can sorta clear death mountain before learning how combat works. After Death Mountain you get the Downstab, which changes how combat works.
You can even clear Side A(first overworld) without learning how combat works.
You sorta don't need learning how combat works until you start encountering regular blue knights and some of the more deluxe enemies.

But still the best combat in a Zelda game. I.e by default all enemies have longer range than you, which means combat NEEDS to be tight enough so it doesn't turn into a complete shitshow. Laxer games like Faxanadu will have you grind to get longer reach, so that games combat starts working. But Zelda instead balances range, tempo, distance and timing so that it works.

>> No.7156468

>>7156459
ok but how the FUCK do i fight those boomerang dudes, they shoot too fast and have too much of a range for me to dodge then go in an attack

>> No.7156484

>>7156468
Assuming your dpad works you just walk towards them and react. Downstab do make it a lot easier, but its still just a matter of getting into stab range and stabbing them.
The hardest part is recognizing the pattern and not hesitating. Its very much the opposite of a lot of action games, because AOL really rewards aggression so long you don't fuck up.

>> No.7156514

>>7156468

Boomerangs can't get through your shield. Just block them. Or maybe put on shield (the spell) and take a few hits as you charge in.

>> No.7156548

>>7156000
based trips of truth

>> No.7157694

>>7155727
The combat is literally the only thing the game has going for it though

>> No.7157717

I like the game, can't beat it tho

>> No.7157818

I wish Zelda was more like an RPG where you can choose your race and class.

>> No.7157881

>>7154070
because it's boring and weird and repetitive

>> No.7157952

>>7154070
Still my favorite zelda game. Link's only rpg game.

>> No.7157979

>>7157952
>Link's only rpg game
Shame it's a crap ARPG one and not a based turn based one with party members and shit.
Zelda 2 is a shit show.

>> No.7158051

>>7157694
Not really, the premise of the game is tolerable, the combat is shit, if the combat was good then the game would be okay

>> No.7158419

Oh do people actually hate it here? That's nice. It's fine that it has its fans, but it's always been the black sheep of the series and I only started seeing contrarians praise it on /v/ eight years ago. Now you can't mention it without some contrarian showing up and calling you shit (you can easily spot the contrarians because they're always abrasive and try to call your skill into question or say it's the only good Zelda game. The actual fans are more level-headed).

>> No.7158464

>>7154070
Don't know. I've never hated it, and have grown to see that it has some of the best combat, exploration, and dungeon progression in the series.
As for how it stacks up to other entries, the only ones I could actually say are better are OoT/MM, and even then, that's just because of the atmosphere. I'm hoping the CD-I remasters will be enjoyable too since they're similar.

>> No.7158468

>>7158419
>call your skill into question
When someone just says it's shit without elaborating in any way, it tends to be the easiest and most generally true response.

>> No.7158473

>>7158468
Nah it's lazy bait

>> No.7158476

>>7158419
It's not a bad game, but it definitely has moments that feel like you hit a wall and can't progress in terms of difficulty spikes in certain areas. Grinding in Z2 is notoriously easy once you fight the Iron Knuckles at the Island Temple's entrance, 100 per kill or fill up on MP in one shot.

>> No.7158478

>>7158473
That's the point. A lazy post that just amounts to "it's bad" deserves a lazy response that will try to incite an actual statement that can then be brought down.

>> No.7158489

>>7158468

Not really. People don't always want to write an essay. If they can't describe why they think it's shit when asked though, then you can go ahead and assume they're baiting or whatever.

>> No.7158505

>>7158489
You can make a statement in a single sentence if you know how to elaborate yourself well. Again, one post deserves another around the same level of effort.

>> No.7158574

>>7158505

My point is even when people do say Zelda II is bad with no hostility whatsoever, contrarians will crawl out of the woodwork and have a go. At least on /v/.

>> No.7159061

>>7158419
Because these 'fans' don't actually like Zelda 2, they like 'liking Zelda 2' instead. They don't care about the game itself, which is why they never actually talk about the game itself and just talk about how cool they are for liking it when others don't. Gives them a sense of superiority over the unwashed masses who didn't enjoy the shitty dungeons, boring combat and out of place leveling up system in a zelda game.
I don't doubt that Zelda 2 has legit fans out there that like it. The people going around saying it's the only good Zelda game, that stalk threads to shit talk people who don't put it high in the tier lists and to remind you non-stop that if it's not your favorite game it's because you're shit at vidya don't however. They're just looking for easy brownie points.

>> No.7159108

>>7159061
I like the palaces and combat though. When you get to know the mechanics, when to down stab, up stab, jump crouch hit, dodge, and shield it feels rewarding and way more engaging than like the combat in Castlevania. At first, I hated the combat and especially death mountain but I love these areas now because of its resource management with using spells and using the combat properly to be able to clear it without dying. The palaces are great too because they're essentially just gauntlets that aren't some puzzle or something that detract from the gameplay, the developers realized the platforming and combat was fun when mastered so they made the main challenge to be good at the game, simply as. If you can't suspend your disbelief and see yourself as a badass Link clearing these dungeons to key to the key and power yourself up with the loot inside then I don't know you're kinda boring and probably just not suited for these types of games.

>> No.7159136

>>7159061
I played Zelda 2 when it came out as a kid, and I legitimately liked it a ton and played it regularly. I beat it many many many times as a child.

I'm sorry that YOU didn't enjoy it. It was always a polarizing game. Many of my friends loved it at the time, and many hated it. Generally, it's a more difficult and complex game than Zelda 1. Most of the people who disliked it were "that kid" (i.e., the kid who liked Power Rangers and spazzed out on the playground). If you're too dumb to understand the magic and XP system, and do the side quests, the game is unwinnable. If you're too dumb to learn the combat system and randomly spam attacks, the game is unwinnable. The only mistake Zelda 2 made is assuming that everyone who played it has an IQ over 80.

>> No.7159186

>>7159136
>it was always a polarizing game
>btw only retards disliked it

>> No.7159204

>>7159136
I like how you've completely proven my point in your post. You even start by saying 'oh well not everyone has to like it' only to slip right in and double down on the fact that if you don't think it's amazing and perfect you're just retarded!

>> No.7159339

>>7155559
I love Ocarina of Time, but I'll always wonder how the Zelda II remake would have turned out.

>> No.7159350

>>7159339
I thought the GBA version actually happened and just didn't release.

>> No.7159376

>>7154070
I don't, I think it's better than Zelda 1.

>> No.7159385

>>7154070
I love it though, it's one of my favorite Zeldas

>> No.7159503

>>7159339
Maybe someday, Nintendo will let IntiCreates take a crack at it.

>> No.7159514

>>7159339
Shit probably

>> No.7159760

You never criticize the actual objectively bad stuff like needing to find a guy in a random forest tile to progress, a mirror under a random table, spells needed to progress at arbitrary times, to get to palace 1 and the candle you have to go through a random dark cave, but no it's always the combat you dont understand or something probably because you werent good enough to get to those points

>> No.7159846

>>7154994
Based. Minish Cap shits all over LoZII trannies

>> No.7159862

>>7154994
dangerously based, dab on the boomies.

>> No.7159872

>>7156297
The only good Zelda games were made by Capcom.

>> No.7159924

>>7154070
I enjoyed both I and II and even prefer to replay II over I. I lost interest in Zelda games after III, I know I am missing out on some good stuff though.

>> No.7159940

>>7154070
This is one of the best Zelda games, anyone that thinks otherwise is a faggot

>> No.7159961

>>7155535
>literally all you do it pick the door that goes right
Death Mountain is retard filter.

>> No.7160014

>>7158419
I mean look at this guy who basically says all the criticisms you see on /vr/ and he fucking sucks at the combat, he criticizes the game for being unfair and hard when he doesn't realize you literally have to git gud to avoid these scenarios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Lbalc2yGM

>> No.7160052

>>7158051
It’s actually opposite, the combat is pretty tolerable and has a high skill cap, but going around a shitty dragon quest style overworld and talking to npcs to progress is literally the antithesis to everything that made zelda good

>> No.7160463

>>7159760
>actual objectively bad stuff
No, pretty much all of that is either obvious or told to you by pedestrians.

>> No.7160468

>>7160463
Finding Bagu is retarded and you find him by just randomly fucking around in the forest after talking to everyone in the nearby town and not knowing what the fuck to do

>> No.7160469

>>7160052
Zelda's exploration hasn't really been a part of the main quest since the NES titles though, and II's shines in all the little optional secrets you don't get told about.

>> No.7160473

>>7160468
I'm pretty sure at least one of them tells you he lives in the forest, and the closest one is right next to town, so it's just trial and error for like 15 squares or so until you find it.

>> No.7160479

>>7160473
The guy by the bridge does but finding it is so tedious and isn't hinted at besides this. Finding that one square takes so long because of the random encounters and you have to shift through all of them to find the one you want or get lucky

>> No.7160484

>>7160479
I think the hint is enough, but I will admit it's tedious. Still, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes, even with the enemy spawns.

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>>7156459
Exactly, this game is so sick.

>> No.7161386

>>7154380
>Not a REAL zelda game is such a lame brain argument.
This is the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

>> No.7161813

>>7156459
You're realizing what Miyamoto actually sees as untapped potential in AOL isn't necessarily the "we never optimized beyond what we planned" angle like everyone thinks, but more along the lines of what you're saying. To some extent the game's nonlinearity lies in its combat system. If you get the upstab you can skip the downstab until the last minute of the game, and if you get the downstab you can skip the upstab completely. Which means you can play through most of the game not doing either. This and the Blue Knuckles' style of fighting are tip-offs to Miyamoto's designs to focus on the height aspect. But the NES frame rate was probably too slow to do these kinds of reads. Which is probably why he wanted giant bosses, so as to telegraph attacks.

>> No.7161860

>>7159339
We're long past the point of realistically getting a good zelda 2 remake. You can only hope for some Link's Awakening tier shit with awful graphics and performance, and they'll dumb it down and load it with handholding to make sure no one ever has trouble with it. Hard mode (i.e. the difficulty of the original game) will be behind an amiibo too

>> No.7163441

>>7154070
>Second title are "bad"
At least CV: Lords of Shadow 2 and Dark Souls 2 not terrible.