/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7146284]

Why does this console cause so much asshurt?
There seems to be a fair-sized group of people, who believe it ruined video games or something.

[Anonymous No.7146296]

>>7146284

halo and frat dudebros ruined gaming

[Anonymous No.7146312]

>>7146284
>There seems to be a fair-sized group of people, who believe it ruined video games or something.
Anti Microsoft people who are either die-hard Sony fanboys or die-hard Nintendo purists. Also, PC master-race people. All 3 groups dislike Xbox and Microsoft because of how the Xbox 360 and Xbox One defined console gaming so much for their respective generations. Essentially they're vaguely mad at Microsoft and the original Xbox for ruining, what in their minds, would have otherwise been a perfect timeline for the medium. (whether that's Sony having a monopoly, Nintendo not standing out so much relative to the competition, or the end of console gaming and an alternate universe where Valve takes over with Steam and dedicated gaming PCs marketed as consoles.)

[Anonymous No.7146324]

>>7146284
Its mostly Nintendo manchildren
The same ones who cry about Metroid Prime being FPS

[Anonymous No.7146325]

>>7146296
Guess, that's just a merica phenomenon. Here it was just another console. Hell I remember in videogame stores, the XBOX booth usually had either Ninja Gaiden,DoA3,Soul Calibur2 or I kid you not, DinoCrisis 3 running.

[Anonymous No.7146339]

>>7146296
Halo is based, being a dudebro is based. fuck off tranny.

[Anonymous No.7146341]

I get people hating the 360 because it did a lot of casualisation within the hobby (whereas Wii attacked it from outside with non-gamer designs), but the OG Xbox, really? It wasn't that popular and it had insane specs, and some amazing games planned for the discontinued Dreamcast found a new life there. There was more to it than Halo PvP you know?

6th generation was the peak of variety, even Nintendo's third-party problems at that time look trivial compared to today. The era of PS2/NGC/XB1/ex-DC was peak retro, and still hard to live up to today.

[Anonymous No.7146345]

I asked the store clerk if the xbox can play Jet Set Willy. She looked at me oddly snd asked me to repeat myself. stupid bitch.

[Anonymous No.7146348]

Well, it DID ruin video games. And I'll tell you why:
>because before it, PC and consoles lived healthily to each other, with different philosophies
>but after it, western devs who worked for PC dumbed down their games enticed by M$ money, and japs were forced to adapt their games to westernized sensibilities to compete
>because before it, online gaming was free and thriving
>but after it, it became paywalled in its majority
>because M$ started bribing journos to shill it, so these started to shit on jap games and give praise to dumbed-down PC games for console
>killed complexity in games for a few good years
>started the trend of making consoles more PC-Like instead of plug-and-play machines
>more abusive practices like paying extra to pay DVDs, which paved the way to the bullshit we see today
and then they made the 360 which was all that bullshit multiplied by 10. M$ did irreparable damage to gaming but most people are too dumb to see it. Everything you dislike about vidya today is correlated to the XBOX.

[Anonymous No.7146357]

Betas will always tremble in the presence of chads. The original xbox was the most chad home console to come out since the neo geo AES and desu i'm not sure if there's been one as relatively boss vs. it's competition since, so it makes sense that it gets hated on a lot (by losers)

[Anonymous No.7146427]

Butthurt weebs and sony fanboys, and blaming microsoft for online gaming and dlcs (like if it wasnt going to happen anyway)

[Anonymous No.7146439]

>>7146427
The irony is that XBOX was a otaku console in Japan. Makes kind of sense since Microsoft as a software developer really doesn't give a shit about trying to uphold some family friendly image or whatever.

[Anonymous No.7146453]

>>7146339

back to /v/ zoomie

[Anonymous No.7146456]

>>7146439
It doesnt matter for these lunatics because "western console bad, microsoft bad"

[Anonymous No.7146460]

>>7146345

dont worry anon ill play with your jet set willy

[Anonymous No.7146462]

>>7146284
Should have been Sega
Simple as

[Anonymous No.7146468]

>>7146456
I do see some of that too
>The XBOX 360 had no Nipponese games
The fuck, were these retards asleep 2005-2010? I guess Final Fantasy going multiplat broke their brain, some serious gold mine youtube meltdowns lost to time sadly.

[Anonymous No.7146471]

>>7146284
Sony did way more damage to gaming as a whole

[Anonymous No.7146484]

>>7146296
fpbp

[Anonymous No.7146520]

>>7146284
It was a major turning point in the industry. After which, things started to go down hill fast. It introduced and standardized a lot of game styles and shady practices that are still used to this day and popularized western developers among normies.

It's arguably not a bad system at all, but it was definately still the beginning of the end. Modern gaming would not be as shit as it is without the original xbox leading the charge.

[Anonymous No.7146530]

manlets with tiny baby hands couldn't handle the chad duke

[Anonymous No.7146540]

>>7146296
Dudebro gaming started with the PS1.

[Anonymous No.7146541]

>>7146284
yea becuz it and teh 360 spawned GAYlo, Call of DOOTY, and FATtlefield.

[Anonymous No.7146571]

>>7146296
gaming has forever been the realm of frat dudebros, bro.
>>7146471
This anon speaks the truth

[Anonymous No.7146584]

>>7146284
I liked it at the time as a way to play pc games since I couldn't afford a pc but looking back from around 2004 there was pretty big stagnation for many years compared to the 1998 to 2003 period. Around this time gamecube and gba pretty much died and ps2 didn't have much good. I just played retro games until the 360 had the 2d revival.

I also remeber those sega games like jsrf bombed which pretty much ment that from then on those types of games would not be released anymore.

>>7146541
Pretty much these days no one would bother to sit down and play sonic 2 anymore. It needs to be some belt shooter you can play for 80 hours.

[Anonymous No.7146596]

>>7146530
I didn't have any problem with that
I kicked many an ass in UT Championship with that thing

[Anonymous No.7146601]

>>7146284
Xbox did ruin gaming. Microsoft paid large sums of money to PC developers to make their games multiplatform, ending the golden age of PC exclusives.

[Anonymous No.7146607]

>>7146312
> Xbox One
> defined console gaming
Yeah, I dunno about that one dawg. I'm with you on the 360, but the Xbox One was the least popular and culturally relevant console of the 8th gen. The PS4 and Switch defined the gen a lot more than the Bone did. This gen seems to be changing though. Sony is on a decline while Microsoft is on an ascension.
> whether that's Sony having a monopoly, Nintendo not standing out so much relative to the competition, or the end of console gaming and an alternate universe where Valve takes over with Steam and dedicated gaming PCs marketed as consoles
Microsoft didn't kill Nintendo, that's for sure. They've ranged from not giving a fuck to being friendly with them. If any company killed old Nintendo, it was Sony. And the other two are pie in the sky ideas that never would have happened.

Honestly, I'm glad Microsoft came along because otherwise we might have ended up with someone even worse. Microsoft is no angel, but they're one of the lesser evils as far as technology megacorps go. They're still largely a "product" and not a "you are the product" company. If Microsoft hadn't jumped into the fray, someone else probably would have. We could have Amazon, Google, or Facebook as our third competitor. When you think of it in those terms, MS isn't so bad.

[Anonymous No.7146608]

>>7146296
I'll take dudebros over the type of people that fawn over glorified movie games

[Anonymous No.7146639]

>>7146348
Most of the shit on this list is actually good.

The console-PC convergence is a good thing. It made porting easier and made multiplatform games the standard rather than the exception. It brought the good aspects of each platform to the other.

If you're looking for someone to blame for screwing over Japanese devs, look no farther than Sony. Japanese never cared about Xbox in the first place so they didn't bother "adapt" anything for it. Sony, the actual Japanese company, is the one who turned their back on Japan, moved their HQ to California, and forced Japanese devs to censor their games to western standards.

Dumbing down game complexity was an industry trend that would have happened with or without Microsoft. The impetus was the massive amount of normies flooding into the hobby (brought by Sony and the PS2) and devs realizing that gaming could reach a much wider audience. Also, the trend has largely reversed aside from AAA normiecore games. There are plenty of complex games coming out now.

The only thing on this list that's in any way valid is the paying for online thing. I will admit that's the single biggest black mark on Microsoft's record. But with Sony and Nintendo jumping on board it's not like they have any sort of moral superiority.

[Anonymous No.7146682]

>>7146639
>It brought the good aspects of each platform to the other.
Name a single aspect of consoles that improved the quality of PC games

[Anonymous No.7146706]

>>7146453
This is a zoomie board now. Fuck off back to the nursing home faggot.

[Anonymous No.7146757]

>>7146284
Because they need something to blame for change.

[Anonymous No.7146787]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KasYRkVVVE&ab_channel=GuiltyGaming
Ninja Gaigen Black has been moded !!

[Anonymous No.7146831]

>>7146682
> Gamepads, which are the superior input method for many genres
> Better genre variety; brought over genres that were formerly mostly or only on consoles
> Larger overall library on PC; basically every console game is ported now unless it's made by Sony or Nintendo
> Architectures being similar between PC and console allowed for easier multiplatform development, leading to a larger overall playerbase, allowing more niche and indie games to be financially viable

[Anonymous No.7146858]

>>7146608

who do you think those AAA title press x to win movie games were made for? xdudebros ruined gaming.

[Anonymous No.7146872]

>>7146341
NOOOO THE TRANNIES AT REDDÏT SAID IT WASN’T TRUE GAYMING LIKE 1ST PARTY NINTENDO 6TH GEN DOGSHIT

[Anonymous No.7146886]

>>7146296

[Anonymous No.7146996]

>>7146639
> The only thing on this list that's in any way valid is the paying for online thing. I will admit that's the single biggest black mark on Microsoft's record

The PS online in the PS2-PS3 days was abyssal and Nintendo’s online system was a shadow of the other two consoles.

[Anonymous No.7147028]

>>7146831
Your entire premise is wrong, because it ignores the fact that console games were already being ported to PC before Xbox. Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill 2, Mortal Kombat, ect. (all had controller support btw)
Any game that can work on consoles can also work on PC. It doesn't function both ways.

[Anonymous No.7147116]

>>7146468
Introduce them to the 360 exclusive CAVE games where people legit had to import Japanese 360s to play them, and they were so popular as imports they had to personally ask for Microsoft to make some of the later releases region free.

Sony treats their Japanese studios like shit, but it's sadly the most popular so it will automatically get games if their goal is to make money.

[Anonymous No.7147165]

>>7147116
If I remember correctly there were a lot of visual novels on the 360 too because microsoft didnt censor shit and allowed nudity

[Anonymous No.7147175]

>>7147028
> Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill 2, Mortal Kombat
All shit ports that were downgraded from console in some way.
> It doesn't function both ways.
It effectively does nowadays. You can always downgrade the graphics some more to get it to run on console. Even if a game required an RTX 3080TI to run on PC, you could just strip out the ray tracing, half the resolution and framerate, and set everything to low settings and it would run fine on console.

[Anonymous No.7147219]

>>7146639
Dumbass doesn't know what he is talking about. It's all agreed upon that xbox ruined gaming.

[Anonymous No.7147223]

>>7147116
Dude, sony didn't start censoring their games until they moved to CA.

[Anonymous No.7147287]

>>7147175
>All shit ports that were downgraded from console in some way.
Japanese developers still half ass ports to this day, so it doesn't help your argument much. In the case of Silent Hill 2, PC is actually the definitive version because of mods (mod support is another key element of PC gaming that developers abandoned when going multiplatform)
> You can always downgrade the graphics some more to get it to run on console.
What about controls, inputs, level sizes, user interface, ect.? How would you design an enjoyable RTS on consoles that isn't dumbed down? An arena shooter? A city builder?

[Anonymous No.7147301]

>>7147175
>All shit ports that were downgraded from console in some way.
Japanese developers still half ass ports to this day, so it doesn't help your argument much. In the case of Silent Hill 2, PC is actually the definitive version because of mods (modability is another key aspect of PC gaming that developers abandoned when going multiplatform)
> You can always downgrade the graphics some more to get it to run on console.
What about controls, inputs, level sizes, user interface, ect.? How would you design an enjoyable RTS on consoles that isn't dumbed down? An arena shooter? A city builder?

[Anonymous No.7147321]

>>7146530
based duke, soibois can't handle the size

[Anonymous No.7147327]

>>7146284
>made paid online a trend
yes

[Anonymous No.7147328]

>>7146858
So your dollar is more valuable to these corporations than a dudebro dollar? I assure you that the games that continue being bought, continue being made.

[Anonymous No.7147330]

>>7147301
> controls
> input
> user interface
I'm assuming you're talking about m+kb which consoles have supported since at least the PS4/Xbone. Few devs take advantage of it, but that's on the devs, not the console manufacturers. And, more to the point, it's because of customer demand. If customers were suddenly preferring console games with MKB support, then you can be sure devs would add it. But they aren't. People who play on console don't usually WANT games with complex inputs that require MKB because it's not as comfortable to play on a TV. So even if we lived in some magical alternative universe where consoles didn't exist and everyone played on a Steambox or PC connected to their TV, games would still be designed around controllers.
> level sizes
Not really much of a concern in 2020, and becoming even less of a concern with the new consoles that have SSDs. Open world games are a dime a dozen, so it must not be too difficult to make huge levels on console.

[Anonymous No.7147365]

>>7147330
>People who play on console don't usually WANT games with complex inputs that require MKB because it's not as comfortable to play on a TV.
Hence PC gaming was dumbed down because of consoles

[Anonymous No.7147367]

>>7147330
>People who play on console don't usually WANT games with complex inputs that require MKB because it's not as comfortable to play on a TV.
Hence PC gaming was dumbed down for console fags

[Anonymous No.7147368]

>>7147365
I think you mean "controllers are the superior input method for gaming"

[Anonymous No.7147372]

>>7147367
Gamepad =/= dumbed down. Games are made for gamepads because people like to play with gamepads, including many people on PC.
>>7147368
Not for first-person games or management stuff. But other than that, pretty much.

[Anonymous No.7147408]

>>7146284
Who fucking knows, it's a video game product so by default half of the people who are aware of it will be blind fanboys, the other half will fucking hate it and choose to spend their time being upset over shit that doesn't matter, and trying to understand or reason with any of it will only serve to waste your time.

[Anonymous No.7147415]

>>7147372
>Gamepad =/= dumbed down.
No, but they put a limit on the amount of complexity that can exist in a game while still being intuitive.
>Games are made for gamepads because people like to play with gamepads, including many people on PC.
Most of them are console babies that migrated over. They are destroying the hobby.
>Not for first-person games or management stuff. But other than that, pretty much.
Any game with more than 14 actions is superior when designed around an input device with more than 14 buttons.

[Anonymous No.7147432]

>>7147415
As well as any game that requires camera precision, so basically anything 3D.

[Anonymous No.7147450]

>>7147432
The addition of a second analog stick ruined console gaming for me. It's no fun at all trying to move the camera/aim with it. They should have just focused on making a better auto camera.

[Anonymous No.7147457]

>>7147165
>If I remember correctly there were a lot of visual novels on the 360 too because microsoft didnt censor shit and allowed nudity
so that's the aspect she's based on. i never understood why Vert wasn't some tomboyishly brash, dew-drinking/dorito-eating dudette-bro, but a tea & cake proper lady instead

[Anonymous No.7147461]

>>7147450
how would that work? back then we had the shoulder buttons do the camera work, but how does one shoot up while running?

[Anonymous No.7147483]

>>7147415
> They are destroying the hobby.
They're saving the hobby. Gamepads are a much more comfy control method that I prefer to use for most games.
> Any game with more than 14 actions is superior when designed around an input device with more than 14 buttons.
Hard disagree. Even when I play games on MKB I hate the games that have 30 different buttons for shit. Contextual buttons and simplification of unnecessary mechanics is a better solution. Limitations on the number of buttons is a GOOD thing. Good games are abstractions, not simulators.

[Anonymous No.7147508]

>>7147483
Just admit that you are a normie. Real games are made by autists for autists.

[Anonymous No.7147518]

>>7146706
Agreed, retro just means anyone's childhood games.

[Anonymous No.7147560]

>>7146284
They were viewed as upstarts who bought their way into the business because they're fucking Microsoft and one of the few companies on the planet at the time who could do it. It still ushered in some concepts and functionality that consoles needed moving into the future. They pretty much kickstarted real, properly supported online console multiplayer by sheer force of money and will

[Anonymous No.7147562]

>>7146530
>those hands
>dwarfing a Duke
Who is this fucking giant and why hasn't Thor killed them

[Anonymous No.7147689]

>>7146296
lol

[Anonymous No.7147693]

>>7146530
>The Duke getting mogged
Nice. Never thought I'd live to see the day

>>7147689
Show them online

[Anonymous No.7147694]

>>7146284
weird sony fanboys. I say this having a ps1, ps2, and ps3.

[Anonymous No.7147698]

>>7146296
zoomer, people were playing goldeneye, NBA Jam, and Tecmo Super Bowl way before Halo.

GTFO of /vr.

[Anonymous No.7147747]

>>7146284
Didn't you need to buy a remote and that dumb adapter thing to use it as a DVD player even though it had that feature.

Shit like that was retarded. The PS2 had that as a standard at a time when people were buying expensive DVD players, it was a selling point. For anyone trying to decide between a PS2 or an XBox Microsoft might have lost a sale just purely trying to jew people out of an extra 20 for a cheap Chinese remote.

[Anonymous No.7147869]

>>7146284
Ignorance and blind fanboyism. Once you experience an Xbox console to its fullest you'll realize it's actually quite good. Especially something like Game Pass on XB1.

[Anonymous No.7147939]

>>7146296
>NOOOOO EVERY GAME NEEDS TO BE AN ANIME RPG XBAWKS RUINED GAMES

[Anonymous No.7147965]

If you didn't have both an Xbox and a ps2 you where not considered a gamer at the time. Xbox was hot shit and for good reason. And softmodding them was easy fun and opened up a whole new community.

[Anonymous No.7148054]

>>7146284
>There seems to be a fair-sized group of people, who believe it ruined video games or something.
They're called sony bronies. They're always asshurt about everything, even if the PS2 curbstomped the other 2 like nobody's business. That's the kind of miserable rat fuckers they are.

[Anonymous No.7148205]

>>7146284
Low amount of good exclusives. Some of the ports weren't definitive versions (SH2 on Xbox) and some are like Genma Onimusha which is very annoying. It started the trend of consoles being less exclusivized and more like a PC.

[Anonymous No.7149118]

>>7146284
Snoytards that want to pretend they invented subscriptions, DLC, decent online play etc. The PC did these first and things would have gone in that direction regardless.

PCtards that pretend it was responsible for le death of PC gaming era when it was the PS2 selling tens of millions and being the lead dev console for blobified PC franchises like Red Faction 2. If anything the PS1 and PS2 brought the massive influx of normies to gaming that "killed" PC gaming. Meanwhile Microsoft massively improved the quality of console to PC ports with Games for Windows standards in the late 00s. Let's never mention that though because being positive doesn't soothe my autism.

[Anonymous No.7149856]

>>7146348
True, but Sony had a hand in it too, especially in letting third parties have too much leverage. As much shit as people give Nintendo, the fact they always do their own thing meant they were responsible for not nearly as many shitty trends (except appealing to total casuals, but even that was relegated to smartphones as soon as they became widespread)

[Anonymous No.7149942]

>>7147747
It was to get around having to pay royalties to Sony for every console sold. Instead they only had to pay royalties on the "dumb adapter thing"

[Anonymous No.7149949]

>>7146530
don't forget to ring the bells tomorrow quasimodo

[Anonymous No.7149964]

>>7149118
>Snoytards that want to pretend they invented subscriptions, DLC, decent online play etc. The PC did these first and things would have gone in that direction regardless.
PC gamers never had to pay for online until Microsoft tried to shove GFWL down our throats. Even with how cucked modern PC gamers are, we still don't roll over as easily as you console plebs.

[Anonymous No.7149971]

>>7149964
I still don't pay for online and GFWL is dead.

Or was that the point you were making?

[Anonymous No.7149975]

>>7146284
>1st console with built in HDD so memory card no longer required (still optional) + custom soundtracks
>specs decimated the competition at the time making every multiplat game much better, and usually not even close
>1st console with built-in RJ45 for proper online gaming service
>tons and tons of exclusive original games, some failures, but some truly awesome games available nowhere else
>Halo outclassed anything on PS2/GC FPS-wise
OG Xbox was the bomb anyone saying otherwise is in denial. Sure it had gaps in certain genres but was the only place to go for other genres.
It's a shame MS didn't keep the same game plan going because they would have surpassed PS years ago. But MS chose shit hardware, less exclusives, less console horsepower, and less features the exact opposite of OG Xbox. I'd go as far to say XBONE is the worst console of all time with 360 just slightly better. And I'm not saying OG Xbox was better than GC or PS2 but it was definitely unique, had some fantastic true exclusives had better tech, and was always the choice for multiplats.

[Anonymous No.7149990]

>>7149971
My point is that Microsoft is cancer and infects everything they touch. We may have killed GFWL, but gamepass is a trogan horse for something equally as bad.

[Anonymous No.7150002]

I love the original Xbox, I have one with a nice collection of its best games but I can see why people blame it because the seeds of everything that makes games crap today were being pushed hard by MS while they bled their endless supply of money in order to get a foothold in the market.
Sony later had to rethink their strategy and lost their appeal to niche markets, it became more obvious in the 7th gen where both X360 and PS3 were soulless machines filled with repetitive games and the only sustainable strategy was to bet on a few popular genres instead of trying to cover every niche

[Anonymous No.7150015]

>>7146530
Video games are for children

[Anonymous No.7150019]

>>7146530
While the controller itself was huge the buttons were kind of small
I doubt those thumbs could play it confortably

[Anonymous No.7150040]

>>7146439
Taku? Like o-taku.

[Anonymous No.7150557]

>>7146284
I can see where the most militant /vr/ people would hate it. It started/popularized online console multiplayer and was notorious for going after the edgy mountain dew 15 year old demographic, which basically ruined gaming for the last 20 years.

BUT Halo was truly a masterpiece, H2 on live in like '05 will never be beaten for the amount of fun/addictiveness on a console MP

AND it also ended up as the spiritual successor to a lot of Sega properties, so in a way it continued the DC's legacy and I don't think the hardestcore SEGA fans should be complaining.

[Anonymous No.7150564]

>>7146312
>Also, PC master-race people
beg to differ. In fact I was one of those PC master race people back in the day when it launched and the fact that it was Microsoft made me buy it, which in hindsight was probably the dumbest thing since half the Xbox titles were just shitty ports from the PC but hey better to buy that than a purple lunchbox which was for manchildren or a sony ps2 which was for weebs.

[Anonymous No.7150581]

the problem wasnt the xbox (aside from paid online becoming a thing)

it was the 360, and the fact that the ps3's gameplan to recover from its bad launch was to be more like the 360, and that its next console would be very similar to the xbox one, in that they were both direct follow ups to the 360.

while the 360 itself was probably the best platform for playing on console that gen, it introduced atrocious habits that were still suffering from.

[Anonymous No.7150654]

>>7146348
Typical horseshit from a Snoy or Cucktendo fag. Much of this was applicable to the 360, not OG Xbox
>because before it, PC and consoles lived healthily to each other, with different philosophies
They mostly still did in the 6th gen
>western devs who worked for PC dumbed down their games enticed by M$ money
Ports =! dumbing down for PC. Genres like RTS games and tactical shooters still thrived on PC. CRPGs as well like Morrowind, but even that was a bitch to play on Xbox.
>and japs were forced to adapt their games to westernized sensibilities to compete
Absolute horseshit. PS2 being the most successful system that gen meant Japs could continue making Japanese-esque games, they just didn't come the Xbox as often.
>online gaming was free and thriving
Xband was a niche product at best, and Seganet on Dreamcast also required a subscription if you used it. Online console gaming was in its growing pains until at least the mid 2000s.
>but after it, it became paywalled in its majority
And the trade-off was you got a more robust service compared to the jankfest that was PS2 online.
>because M$ started bribing journos to shill it, so these started to shit on jap games
WRONG NIGGER, that was during the 360 era when Microsoft began sending guerilla marketing teams to discredit Japanese games
>killed complexity in games for a few good years
Nigger that has fuck all to do with Xbox. That was a game developer problem.
>started the trend of making consoles more PC-Like
That was the Dreamcast with its built-in modem, Windows CE OS, and M+KB peripherals.
>more abusive practices like paying extra to pay DVDs, which paved the way to the bullshit we see today
How? Yeah the DVD dongle was dumb but it was skirt around licensing costs.
>>7146341
A lot of hate for the OG Xbox in general seems to be misplaced 360 hate. Just look at the idiots citing why XBOX BAD and it's always some shit that actually happened in the 360 era.

[Anonymous No.7152127]

>>7150581
>ps3's gameplan to recover from its bad launch was to be more like the 360
could you go into detail about this?

iirc they wanted the ps3 to be a mutliuse gaming/bluray/computer for consumers but after they revoked the ability to load linux on it they went to the M$ side, no?

What would the ps4 look like if it wasn't a 360 sequel?

[Anonymous No.7152156]

>>7146284
OG xbox marks the point in time when generic PC hardware replaced original console hardware. It was the death of consoles. There is your why.

[Anonymous No.7152341]

>>7146284
Halo had the first "DLC". I remember Mountain Dew Guy was raving about it on Electric Playground back in the day.

[Anonymous No.7152345]

>>7146284
Does it? The only thing that sucks about it is the emulation.

[Anonymous No.7152348]

>>7152156
Oh no, they used the best stuff available to them. The poor children. It was natural for things to go x86 + standardized/powerful GPU. It was weird how it went PPC for a bit before finally going universally x86 like we have now.

It sucks. I miss the wildly varying abilities between machines too, but it only could have gone this way.

[Anonymous No.7152357]

>>7152348
>It was weird how it went PPC for a bit before finally going universally x86 like we have now.
It's gonna be funny looking back in 20 years now that x86 is on the chopping block. Most people can't fathom that the x86 platform is just a phase, like the 68k was.

[Anonymous No.7152442]

>>7152341
>Halo had the first "DLC".
Multiple Dreamcast games already did that.

[Anonymous No.7152478]

>>7146284
>There seems to be a fair-sized group of people, who believe it ruined video games or something.
it didn't, but it set the stage for the 360 which unironically made console gaming substantially worse in ways it's never recovered from.

the duke being a horrible controller (incoming cope from people who have smaller hands than I do, the buttons feel like shit and they're arranged in a stupid way - it's not the size that's the issue) and the console generally being known as the halo machine (and maybe also the jet set radio/ninja gaiden machine) didn't do it any favors because there's a lot of great xbox exclusive/best multiplat games that got super overlooked.

always wondered what would happen if that deal to have the xbox be backwards compatible with the dreamcast went down.

[Anonymous No.7152480]

>>7152442
dreamcast DLC was free you dishonest retard, sega was literally paying out of their own pocket in japan for people to play PSO

[Anonymous No.7152776]

>>7146284
I never owned one of these but have been getting into console modding and am getting one for christmas. what games should I download in preparation? The one i'm getting is rev 1.1 so I plan tsop it

[Anonymous No.7152783]

>>7147116
deathsmile is comf

[Anonymous No.7152932]

>>7146341
Play station is the peasants church

[Anonymous No.7152962]

Looking back, this was the beginning of the downfall. Kike companies like microsoft are nothing but bad news for any hobby or community. You don't need to be smart to even realize what a cancer xbox is.

[Anonymous No.7152978]

>>7146341
I enjoyed my original XBOX, along with every other console from that generation, but I hate what it did to consoles and the arcade. There's no point having either when it's all PC hardware. I'm not even sure why we have two companies selling virtually identical hardware today.

[Anonymous No.7152996]

>>7152978
KONAMI GTI(Solar Assault) and Hornet(Gradius IV & Silent Scope) was already PowerPC.

[Anonymous No.7153016]

>>7146284
I don't hate the console itself, but whoever put the black/white and start/select buttons on the fucking handles of the Controller S should be executed by firing squad.
I also don't see how it could have "ruined" video games when most normie modern gamers have probably never seen one or played any of its games

[Anonymous No.7153018]

>>7152478
>backwards compatible
>implying DC isn't part of the same generation

[Anonymous No.7153040]

>>7146886
>non-analog PS1 controller

I totally forgot aout this

[Anonymous No.7153087]

>>7152783
Is that from the up coming 1+2 release? I don't remember the 360 version's art being that high rez.

[Anonymous No.7153091]

>>7153040
It was the controller for the PS1 for 2/3 of it's life. The Dual Shock only really picked up steam by the time the PS2 came out.

[Anonymous No.7153507]

>>7146530
>those hands
are you that mad max basement ogre?

[Anonymous No.7153517]

>>7146296

Dudebros came in because of the PS1, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.7153521]

>>7146284
>your game freezes
>xbox goes 'brrrrrrrrrt'

[Anonymous No.7153556]

No, the PS2 ruined started the downward spiral by having his best selling feature being a cheap DVD player.

[Anonymous No.7153665]

>>7146284
It blurred the distinction between PC and console and created a market where the majority of games are multiplatform. That sounds great - more games for everyone - but it comes with the problem that developers stop taking full advantage of a single platform's strengths and instead focus on producing something that's acceptable accross multiple platforms.

That means we get diluted first person shooters on PC, and platformers get phased out of the market on consoles because now it's way more profitable to make a shitty FPS that you can sell on PC as well as consoles.

We get compromised games.

[Anonymous No.7153670]

People are mad because halo is uniquely balanced.

[Anonymous No.7153675]

>>7153556
I never understood why people went crazy over the dvd play. They only cost $30
>>7153665
Yea. I never thought of this. It made them create more bland games. Xbox could have been something else

[Anonymous No.7154057]

>>7153675
>I never understood why people went crazy over the dvd play. They only cost $30
lol, not the year the PS2 came out. They were around $300-500. They just got cheap fast.

[Anonymous No.7154097]

>>7153087
nah its the 360 version

[Anonymous No.7154278]

>>7154057
>, not the year the PS2 came out.
Yeah, if you check best buy catalogs you could get a dvd player for about $99. So the PS2 being $300 it was obviously the cheaper option.

[Anonymous No.7154392]

>>7146284
because Microsoft is shit and never made anything worthwile, subscriptions are cancer that only a cuck would pay for, controller is made for fatasses, online multiplayer is sterile and unfunny

[Anonymous No.7154586]

Paid online is a true cancer on gaming. That is Microsoft's only contribution to gaming and fuck them for it.