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7104440 No.7104440 [Reply] [Original]

Who ultimately won the 4th gen console war?

>> No.7104442
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>>7104440

>> No.7104445

>>7104440
Super NES did.

>> No.7104446

>>7104442
>shipment data reported by nintendo
Unless that was at a shareholder meeting, I have my doubts.

>> No.7104471

Wii sold 2x SNES
SMS sold more in Brazil than any other country
Genesis > Sega CD + 32x + Saturn + Dreamcast
PS2 > NES + SNES + N64
SNES > Genesis to answer your question

>> No.7104473

>>7104440
>Dave likes Super Mario Soulless-Stars and Yoshi's Shitland
Wish Joe hadn't brought this fag back.

>> No.7104527 [DELETED] 

>>7104440
nice to see Dave again, wonder what happened to Jen

>> No.7104550 [DELETED] 

>>7104527
I don't know these guys by name but I recall one of em constantly saying the other was in a bad place and having suicidal tendencies. Who gives a fuck, either review shit or fuck off.

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>>7104442
>shipment data
>Japan

>> No.7104562 [DELETED] 

>>7104527
Jen broke it off with Joe years ago.
>>7104550
>one of em constantly saying the other was in a bad place and having suicidal tendencies.
Nigger what?
Dave left because he's a dad with a full time job and had wanted to spend time with his family.

>> No.7104580 [DELETED] 

>>7104562
oh wait, this is game sack not console wars. My mistake, got these losers mixed up

Anyone notice how massive that one dudes mouth is from game sack?

>> No.7104592

>>7104440
SNES won in terms of what games you can play in it.

>> No.7104607

>>>Who ultimately won the 4th gen console war?
dunno dont care, i prefer sega because i don't like slowdown, 3 sprites at once and too many onions as fuck mangina rpgs

>> No.7104619

>>7104440
holy shit Dave is back

>> No.7104637

>>7104619
Not for long.

>> No.7104640

>>7104637
Vae Victis

>> No.7104696

>>7104440
These guys suck. SNES sucks. Jarpig system.

>> No.7104707

>>7104440
DOS won.

>> No.7104709

>>7104696
>>7104607
same person/troll

>> No.7104724

>>7104445
>>7104471
>>7104592
>>7104709
same person/troll

>> No.7104752

Sega ended the console monopoly and you can thank the Mega Drive for Virgin Interactive, Core Design, Westwood, Treasure, EA Sports and for making the SNES a better console.

Do you think there would be a Donkey Kong Country if it weren't for Sonic?

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Daves low IQ really shines in this latest episode.

>> No.7105253 [DELETED] 

>>7104562
>Jen broke it off with Joe years ago.
Really? I just thought she wasn't comfortable on camera

>> No.7105360 [DELETED] 

>>7105253
She left him. Then Joe started simping for Erin (from erin plays, before she got affiliated with cinemassacre and dating Mike).
Nowadays he pretends that he's friends with Mike and that he's fine with Erin dating him, an even feels the need to write wall 'o texts excusing himself for his cuckoldry.
>>7104753
Based Dave, a real chad who actually has a happy family and is successful. That's probably the face Dave makes when Joe talks about Erin and all the e-celeb drama nonsense.

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>>7104440
If we stop at the end of the 16 bit generation, Genesis wins.

>> No.7105362

sega has always been cheap crap and the games are all low quality except a handful
genesis is the cheapest console to buy used to this very day for good reason

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>>7104440
Thanks to the delay of the Nintendo 64, the SNES was working flat out as late as 1995 and 1996, years in which the Genesis was no longer a priority for Sega. If you put the finish line at the moment Sega shifted priorities, it was pretty much a draw game regarding global sales.

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>>7104527
>>7104562
>>7104580
>>7104753
>>7105253
>>7105360
>ecelebs

>> No.7105375 [DELETED] 

>>7105371
>not caring about ecelebs
okay boomer

>> No.7105378

>>7104440
This ended in 1997. Why is this even a thread?

>> No.7105384 [DELETED] 

>>7105375
>B word
We don't say that round these parts.

Jannie, remove this guy.

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>>7104440
Genesis won Europe and Brazil. Unsure about America. Failed hard in Japan.

>> No.7105403

>>7105392
Where are the sales date from 1990 for the genesis?

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>>7105392
French fag here
These numbers seem kinda stange to me, as all my friends had a super Nintendo but only knew one other guy beside myself that had a Megadrive (and he also had a SNES).
I know it's just my own experience of my small circle of friends, but even the vidya magazines of the time mostly were pro-nintendo.

>> No.7105442

>>7105430
Genesis owners are more asocial (They dont talk to many people) thats why.

>> No.7105467

>>7105430
>all my friends had a super Nintendo but only knew one other guy beside myself that had a Megadrive

Were they anime fans? The SNES was no doubt the system to get if you were into Dragon Ball Z or Ranma 1/2, which as far as I know were very big in France at the time.

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>>7105467
>Were they anime fans?
Yeah, but as were most kids that grew up in the 80s/90s, what with the Club Dorothée and its daily hours of animu.
And around 94/96 you couldn't go a month without a vidya magazine having a DBZ cover (even when the actual games released were few and far between).
So I always took as a given that the SNES was dominating the French market.

The Genesis doing as well in the US is mainly sports games that were bought by older kids/adults. Maybe it was the same in France and there was a whole separate demographic that wouldn't cross with the SNES one, and explain why I never met them?

Kinda like nowadays where you see that the games that sell the most are yearly sports games, a genre that is not much talked about by gamers.

>> No.7105570

>>7105537
>but as were most kids that grew up in the 80s/90s, what with the Club Dorothée and its daily hours of animu.
Why was the French intro for DBZ so shit?
https://youtu.be/mWYVKVfA3kg

>> No.7105584

>>7104440
The SNES has better games. The genesis has ports and ports and ports and barely any good games at all.

>> No.7105590 [DELETED] 

>>7104442
That looks about the same as the 2020 election graph. These sales are fraudulent.

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>>7105584
>The SNES has better games.
ok jarpig.

>> No.7105689

>>7104440
Super Nintendo. The war ended in 1994 when DKC and the 32X were released on the same day.

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>> No.7105714

>>7105584
genesis has plenty of platformers but they all suck
there's less than ten decent genesis games total

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US figures.

>> No.7105786

>>7105689
32x was the better deal, I rather play am2 arcade games and Doom (which was far superior to the snes version) over that overrated chimpformer.

>> No.7105815

>>7105786
32X was discounted within in a year because of poor sales. Buying it full price was the opposite of a better deal.

>> No.7105878

>>7105687
>it's a zoomer from /vg/ tranny discord LARPs as having been alive back in the early 90s and erroneously assuming RPGs were a popular genre like they're now
People played mostly platformers and fighting games back then, kid.

>> No.7105903

>>7105878
Sounds like you're the larper to me, everyone was raving about Chrono Trigger back in the day where I'm from, then later FF7.

>> No.7105914

>>7104550
I think that was the sega vs snes channel

>> No.7105935

>muh nintendo loyalty
mental illness

>> No.7105936 [DELETED] 

>>7104562
>>7105360
I'm sure he has a great support system around him. Breakups are hard, and it can be hard to fake enthusiasm, but in the end he'll come out stronger I'm sure.

>> No.7105951

>>7105369
Thanks to the extended life of the Famicom, the Mega Drive was working flat out as soon as 1988 and 1989, years in which the Super Famicom was not in the market. If you put the starting line at the moment Nintendo shifted priorities, it was pretty much Nintendo's game regarding global sales.

>> No.7106009

>>7104440
The one still making hardware and the one that didn't release 2 5th gen consoles within a week of each other in Japan.

>> No.7106094

>>7104440
I'm glad Dave came back and the banter was comfy to see especially now. I'm sure he is glad to spend more time with his family

>> No.7106172

HELLO AND WELCOME TO KEK SACK

>> No.7106638 [DELETED] 

>>7104562
>Dave left because he's a dad with a full time job and had wanted to spend time with his family.

what
i thought they were boyfriends or something

>> No.7106646

>>7104440
Why does America change everything?
>Japan and Europe call it the Mega Drive
>America has to call it the Genesis
>Japan and Europe share the same design of the Super Nintendo/SFC
>America has to redesign it and make it look fucking terrible

>> No.7106660 [DELETED] 

>>7105936
the thing is that Joe still simps for Erin despite her clearly not being interested in him.

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>>7106646
>make it look fucking terrible
Not really, this discussions has been made countless of times and there's not really any actual objective reason why some of you (likely europeans, or young weebs) hate the US SNES design so much.
Both NTSC models, SFC and US SNES, are pretty aesthetic, and unlike the change with Famicom to NES, the size remained the same.

>> No.7106676

>>7106668
>Not really
You're not even a person.

>> No.7106692

>>7106646
So true. Which is why I bought the Pal version of the SNES mini.

>> No.7106696

>>7106676
Oh I am, and I own both NTSC models. Weird portion of my post to quote, though.

>> No.7106701

>>7106696
see
>>7106676

>> No.7106704

>ask /vr/tendo whether the SNES or Mega Drive won
Hmm can't imagine what they'll say

>> No.7106707

>>7105590
I have never even seen a fucking genesis,
I have only heard about them from gen X'ers.
All the actual 16-bit consoles I have seen in person were SNES.

>> No.7106720

>>7106668
it's fucking shit, do you have eyes motherfucker

>> No.7106726

>>7106701
Whatever triggered you, anon. You probably own a PAL system, or just plain out don't own shit.

>> No.7106730

>>7106726
see
>>7106676

>> No.7106736

>>7106720
>it's shit!
Not an argument.
You're not a designer, your taste in aesthetics and designs matters nothing.
I still don't get why you hipsters who weren't even alive back then target the US SNES when the NES is an actual travesty of a redesign compared to the FC.

>> No.7106738

>>7106668
TIL I grew up thinking the SNES was some primitive stone age system mainly because of the shit american design

>> No.7106742

>>7106730
>schizoposting
Oh I see. Ran out of meds? I'm not a human I'm an alieeen! boo

>> No.7106745

>>7106736
everything you say is the exact opposite of truth
the FC is total shit

now you can just kill yourself this is embarrassing

>> No.7106746

>>7106742
see
>>7106676

>> No.7106750

>>7106738
But you weren't alive back when the SNES was new/current, anon.

>> No.7106751

>>7106750
I was but I was playing NES

>> No.7106756

>>7106745
>still no argument
>still thinking his opinions on design matter to anyone
Not even your mother cares about your opinion on aesthetics.
>>7106746
Last reply I'll give to this poor lost soul: tell your parents or whoever is tutoring you that you ran out of meds.

>> No.7106758

>>7106756
see
>>7106676

>> No.7106762

>>7106756
japanese opinions matter more than american ones

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>gamesuck guy wrote a script for avgn and it got rejected
lmaooooo, how miserable you have to be to make fun of avgn because of being raised on a nintendo household or whatever, but then you attempt to write for it? and then get rejected kek

>> No.7106769

>>7106762
I agree with that, but Nintendo of Japan approved of the US SNES design, after all. Your opinion on it still is worth shit.
You're also not japanese, probably american or eurostani.

>> No.7106780

>>7104440
Japan: SNES
USA: SNES
EU: Genesis
Brazil: Genesis

>> No.7107012

>>7104696
yup

>> No.7107034

>>7107012
awful samefag
also
>jarpig
RPGs weren't even popular back in 4th gen, /vg/ kid.

>> No.7107061

>>7106769
they were appealing to americans who hate good and hate quality

>> No.7107067

>>7107061
I'm not into Euro vs burger fights. I just like both NTSC models of the SFC/SNES and thing any criticism toward the US SNES design is mostly hipsterism, as there is never any actual argument (with proper criticism on actual design), it's just "it ugly I don't like it" which is the same as little timmy saying he hates retro games just because they're old, it doesn't matter.

>> No.7107097

>>7106707
You must be living under a rock or you're lying. I've seen people who owned both a Genesis and a SNES. I almost never see one without the other.

>> No.7107138

>>7107097
Nowadays, sure. Back in the 90s it was uncommon to own both.

>> No.7107195 [DELETED] 

>>7106764
Gamesack would write way better AVGN than screenwave

>> No.7107202

>>7107097
i dont hang with "gamers"

>> No.7107207 [DELETED] 

>>7107195
I can already imagine a Nerd episode written by Joe Reditter
>Erin please give me another chance! Mike is a bad dude, I'm good! Date me instead! WHAT WERE YOU THINKIIIIIIIING

>> No.7107214

>>7107067
I could talk about what I like in the sfc design regarding the colors and the rounded edges but these conversations are almost always worthless fag bait

>> No.7107329 [DELETED] 

>>7104440
that was one of the most pedestrian videos i've ever seen

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>>7106646
>Why does America change everything?
Because they're American

>> No.7107735 [DELETED] 

>>7107329
Agreed. Joe gave one of the most perfunctory defenses of the Mega Drive i've ever seen. I think he's given up.

>> No.7107762

>>7107732
shut up or we'll bomb you

>> No.7108416

>>7107732
i like dunking on fatmericans as much as the next guy but M-D-Y is the best (and only good) thing they did

specially for archiving/storing/sorting purposes

>> No.7108450 [DELETED] 

Snesfags tongue my anus

>> No.7108463 [DELETED] 

>>7108450
classic homoerotic console warrior.
btw, I watched this episode out of curiosity, so good job shills. It was really bad. Just more of the same "hurr let's pretend to be idiotic console warriors" with an awful script obviously all written by that autist Joe. Old game sack was silly and often boring, but it kinda seemed like they had their own kind of console war gimmick, with dave's lines often being very lowkey and not too dismissive to Sega, and Joe's lines being often dismissive to Nintendo in a direct way so it made a contrast, as stupid and generic as it was. Now they're just copying Console Wars (the yt channel), Dave's lines are now just the same as Joe regarding console war bullshit, and Joe is at this point just a parody of himself and kinda like a repeating bot, this whole episode seemed like he copy-pasted the same shit he already said a million times about strider and ghost n ghouls, jfc.
But they if idiots consume this, more power to them. Still not as big as Cinemassacre though, and those guys aren't even trying anymore lmao.

>> No.7108527

>>7107138
I owned both back in the 90's and so did my friends.

>>7107202
>Implying you're not a "gamer" yourself
If you're playing games on SNES/Genesis, you're a gamer.

>> No.7108538

>>7104440
3do did

>> No.7108694

>>7106764
>feeling this triggered for having your shitty script rejected

>> No.7108697

>>7104440
Who won? Emulation.

>> No.7108727 [DELETED] 

>>7106764
This is frankly embarrassing.

>> No.7108764

>>7104440
In my view SEGA, true they jobbed in Japan, But they took on Nintendo at their peak strength and market dominance, successfully penetrated the US market. Their marketing managed to give Nintendo the ever lasting label of toddler shit, they also managed to convince major third party developers to makes games for the system despite Nintendo practices of cartridge "shortages". SEGA would eventually fail to truly capitalize on their gains long term due to PlayStation being a thing that stole away all the work they had done, remove PlayStation and SEGA seriously Nintendo by the balls in November 1994 They even had the Japanese market sorted out, due to securing JRPGs and the N64 simply not being suited for those type of games hardware wise.

>> No.7108773

>>7108764
>had Nintendo by the balls

>> No.7108775

>>7106646
USA version of the SNES looks better, it reflects what technology and futuristic stuff at the time looked like. The 3rd world version looks like a toy, a simple afterthought. Also, the USA version has a purple color scheme for the controllers because we are the Kings of the World, royal colors you dirty 4th world niggers aren't allowed to have.

>> No.7108784 [DELETED] 

>>7106764
>>7108727
It was probably just vetoed by Mike who didn't want his gf to get *too* impressed by that parallax loving cro-magnon.

>> No.7108793

>>7108775
Not him, but the USA version looks boring, dull and uncreative. The PAL version looks sleek, stylish and sexy as fuck. Which is why I own the European version of the SNES mini. But despite how good looking the PAL SNES looks, the Sega Genesis definitely has it beat.

>> No.7108796

>>7108775
“Royal versions u were not allowed to have”
I laugh

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>>7108784
Joe has been trying to impress Erin since before she met Mike.

>> No.7108820

>>7108817
>that third paragraph where he tries to not sound salty about the fact mike fucks erin
lmaooooooooooo

>> No.7108834 [DELETED] 

>>7106638
this is what happens when you project your homosexual tendencies on others

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>>7108820
He knows he can't compete with the Romanian Stallion

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>>7108837
mike is pretty fucked though, and erin only fucks him because James is married, but yeah.

>> No.7108887 [DELETED] 

>>7108817
that answer was like 6 paragraphs too long

>You love her. She will never escape your thoughts. Nor will Mike.

That's the TL:DR

>> No.7108919

>>7108764
>jobbed
Opinion discarded

>> No.7108969 [DELETED] 

>>7108817
>y'all
Cringe. Isn't he from Colorado?

>> No.7108979

>>7106720
I like how it looks and only learned recently that there's a small fringe of internet nerds who don't.

>> No.7108989

>>7108979
Nintendo Europe hated it. They were originally due to get the American design, but opted for the Japanese one instead.

>> No.7108991

>>7108979
Have you seen the autistic screeching of the small but vocal crowd of tasteless nerds who prefer the Japanese famicom design?

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>>7108991
Buddy, the Famicom design is the most iconic design ever. Only burgers and bongs got the NES and its pointy rectangle controller, while the rest of the world was enjoying Famicom and its clones, with comfy as fuck round edged controllers and that small, compact and iconic white and red design that looks like a gundam ship.
To be fair the NES design isn't bad per se but the uncalled for bigger size and its controllers having sharp edges that make them less comfortable are con points. In difference, SFC/US SNES are designed differently in terms of aesthetics but the size remains the same, and the controller is also the same, main difference being colored buttons on SFC, and concave/convex buttons on SNES. I personally think the 2 different shades of purple, coupled with the 2 different kind of buttons (makes holding Y/X more effectively in a subtle way) are strong points in favor of US SNES, but the colored buttons on SFC are iconic and that's undeniable. SFC/US SNES are both amazing.

>> No.7109014 [DELETED] 

>>7108817
I thought the whole joe+erin drama was something an autist here made up but it seems it was real, holy shit.
>>7108887
I don't know much about what happened, but reading that response of Joe in fucking /r/thecinemassacretruth gives me infinite cringe. I can't understand what made him hit the submit button to that message, WHAT WAS HE THINKING. The whole thing just reads like a huge projection where it basically just "I love her. She will never escape my thoughts. Nor will Mike.", he's trying to blame randos from Reddit when in fact he's the one having the issue. I bet Mike was laughing his ass off reading that, the fucker.
I'm disappointed in Joe, thought he'd be smarter to avoid this kind of drama.

>> No.7109017

>>7108817
No wonder Jen left. If I were engaged with an autistic like Joe I'd never live it down.

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If you guys have a spare hour and a half, check this documentary. It gives a quick look at the tone that dominated the 16 bit console war. Lots of archive footage, interviews with most of the protagonists, etc.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:EE52BF30B33481ABF648028EB854987CE7F85C6D

>> No.7109037 [DELETED] 

>>7105936
Joe is like 45. He should be more concerned about being forever alone.
>>7106646
Why are zoomers retarded
>America has to call it the Genesis
Mega Drive already trademarked in America
>America has to redesign it
Had to be FCC compliant

>> No.7109043

>>7109024
Dogshit documentary based off a book written as a failed screenplay filled with half truths and made up dumbshit.

>> No.7109130

>>7109043
In the book there are indeed made up dialogues, but in the documentary you just have the protagonists telling their stories. If you don't want to believe them, that's another issue. I personally don't think they have any reason to invent anecdotes.

>> No.7109425

>>7109130
>In the book there are indeed made up dialogues,
In addition to made up stories like Sega of America being forced to make a game based on the Troma film Sgt. Kabukiman. No record of that game being in development has ever surfaced.
>I personally don't think they have any reason to invent anecdotes.
Other than being paid to shill a narrative the author of the book wanted to sell as a story. We already know how full of shit the whole "Kalinske started the competitive marketing" story is since Michael Katz bankrolled the Genesis Does advertisements.

>> No.7109459

>>7109024
>>7109043
>>7109130
>>7109425
Yeah, I'm with this anon. I don't buy the whole Kalinske shit. People treat it as if his word is total historical canon, but I just see a businessman stroking his ego and blaming everything bad that happened to Sega of Japan. And you know what? Yes, SoJ is the reason Sega failed, but SoJ is also the reason Sega triumphed. I firmly believe that the Genesis would still have went head to head with SNES in the US even if Kucklinske wasn't there. He just happened to be there at the right time when Sega released Sonic The Hedgehog and the west went crazy for it. So, Sega of Japan is responsible for Sega's success and failure. The whole console war book and Kalinske narrative is just romanticized histories about how Kalinske was a smart toy marketer, whatever.

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>>7109014
>I can't understand what made him hit the submit button to that message
Unironic autism. And a case of simping so hard that he even sucks up to his rival who she's banging. Or maybe he thinks she will one day "see the light" and realize she's dating a manchild who showed his dick to children on Twitter. But she just likes asshole creeps and Joe's not the right kind of asshole creep.

>> No.7111919 [DELETED] 

>>7110002
It's so fucking sad. Also I know this will sound silly but I always kind of sided with Joe because I'm also a Sega fan, so seeing him getting literally cucked by a nintendo fan like Mike is disheartening, but can't say he doesn't deserves it.

>> No.7111923

>>7104707
>Not PC Engine

>> No.7111935

>>7111923
DOS has more and better games and better modability.

>> No.7111937
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No matter who wins, the Shiturn loses.