/CRT/ General

[Anonymous No.7065042]

Previous thread: >>7016069

>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 6th Gen Consoles and older. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.
>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright.
>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.

CRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

[Anonymous No.7065279]

Reminder that Scart is a valid choice and anyone who tells you otherwise is memeing

[Anonymous No.7065305]

>>7065042
What the fuck is that room? A bathroom? A living room? It looks like both

[Anonymous No.7065308]

>>7065305
Looks like slavik's kitchen.

[Anonymous No.7065319]

>>7065305
I was just trying to work that out.

[Anonymous No.7065393]

Bros, I like my bvm(s).

[Anonymous No.7065486]

Guys i'm a FUCKING RETARD, i've bought a PVM with only composite and svideo, but it's only PAL, no multiformat, all my 60hz-ntsc games are in fucking Black and White. Please shame me publicly, i'm piece of shit who spent 50 bucks for this JVC piece of shit. Hope i die in hell bros, and that hell is not composhit AV.

[Anonymous No.7065504]

>>7065486
>jvc
>pvm
Are you the retard that ordered from eBay?

[Anonymous No.7065541]

>>7065504
Yes, i've already said that, i'm a retard. It's a JVC TM1500-PS. Bought through Facebook, 35+15ship. i'm not even mad about the composite, the image is still very good, but there is no way to get 60hz AND color. It's maddenin. Guess i just deserve it.

[Anonymous No.7065610]

>>7065541
Yeah, that's unfortunate. Luckily $50 is negligible.

[Anonymous No.7065625]

>>7065610
it's kinda a bummer, because the tube it's actually really good, i should look into RGB modding, but it's a slippery slope...

[Anonymous No.7065659]

>>7065625
The specs look okay but nothing special. At 450tvl you would would have been better off looking for a late consumer grade TV. Isnt euro heavy with scart anyway?
If your consoles are modded you could always load/burn pal versions of your games.

[Anonymous No.7065661]

>>7065625
>it's a slippery slope
True. Leaning how to do shit might turn you into a knowledgeable intelligent human being. We can't have those just running around everywhere.

[Anonymous No.7065668]

>>7065661
Yes, i fear intelligence, it's more lethal for the one who wield it than the one who suffer it.

[Anonymous No.7065670]

>>7065659
yes, all my consoles are modded, but i hate the squashed image that comes with PAL format. it's just fucking awful, maybe some ps2 and gamecube support pal60, so i can get the right aspect ratio + colors + 60hz, but i got this TM for super famicom and older consoles.

[Hibana No.7065838]

Does this count?

[Anonymous No.7066216]

Love playing Tetris Attack on my CRT

[Anonymous No.7066242]

>tfw craigslist came up short for CRTs in maine

well shit, anyone in the portland area know the best places to search for one? I'd be happy with a cheap / mediocre CRT too.

[Anonymous No.7066283]

Never posted on these but I love crt's. Just started mega man x for the first time.
I never played a single mm game so can someone tell me wort and best this franchise has to offer?
Playing on PVM 14M4E btw

[Anonymous No.7066291]

>>7066283
Posting bigger picture of the setup

[Anonymous No.7066303]

not mine but i really like this setup up. Wouldnt play 2 games at a time but it looks neat

[Anonymous No.7066352]

>>7066242
Facebook Market is miles better than Craigslist for crt hunting.

[Anonymous No.7066371]

>>7066303
Those ikegami are so sick.
Funnily enough, the last time I had two monitors stacked like that was when I was playing silent Hill last year in october.

[Anonymous No.7066378]

>>7066283
Megaman classic has a few fun games, haven't played the Zero games yet.
X series goes downhill immediately in my opinion. X is amazing, other X games are either mediocre or just plain bad.

[Anonymous No.7066412]

>>7065279
Is it hecking cute, too?

[Anonymous No.7066450]

>>7066352
That's a damn shame, I don't use facebook or any social media in general. If I can view anonymously or contact sellers without a FB account that would work for me.

[Anonymous No.7066475]

>>7066412
I wish I didn't knew what you were talking about.

[Anonymous No.7066491]

So I kind of have my run of a warehouse with a bunch of film production stuff in it. I picked up a bunch of monitors with probably a hundred still left in storage.
What I'm thinking of picking up now would be a couple of vcrs. I saw quite a few but don't know what the fuck I should be looking for in terms of quality or features.
Does anyone have any tips or recommendations? Thanks

[Anonymous No.7066626]

>>7065541
It probably accepts PAL-60. Just emulate NTSC games and output PAL-60.

[Anonymous No.7066660]

>>7066450
I'm the same. Just create a protonmail, use that for FB, use fake info, like and follow a few pages and comments, fill up your profile with fake info, wait a few months and you'll unlock marketplace. Just use a different browser only for FB.
Funnily enough, I find more, better and closer CRTs on freecycle.

[Anonymous No.7066724]

>>7066660
Sounds like a total pain but probably worth it. For right now I have someone to ask to help me find stuff. Finding a bunch of stuff on here, thanks for the advice anon.

[Anonymous No.7066775]

>>7066303
Look at that microwave

[Anonymous No.7066846]

>>7066724
>For right now I have someone to ask to help me find stuff.
Exactly why I bothered with the whole process.

[Anonymous No.7067021]

Which shader? I don't want cancer rays tube.

[Anonymous No.7067032]

>>7067021
t. drumf voter

[Anonymous No.7067048]

Forgive me Lord.

[Anonymous No.7067059]

>>7067048
>Call of Cthulu
>[something] Forest Ranger
You're going straight to hell, Anon.

[Anonymous No.7067065]

>>7067048
CRT~Jesus forgives you anon

[Anonymous No.7067081]

>>7067048
Beautiful

[Anonymous No.7067086]

>>7067048
Why tf is your setup so dusty on the left?

[Anonymous No.7067090]

>>7067086
Because he's on the right path.

[Anonymous No.7067095]

>>7067090
Its paint.

[Anonymous No.7067134]

>>7067048
I lost my mind last week

[Anonymous No.7067435]

>>7067134
>>7067048
people actually seem to be finding some in the wild lately
hopefully this trend continues

[Anonymous No.7067692]

Still trying to decide on my setup. Probably gonna use the big one as the main tv and get the same shelf for the left side.

[Anonymous No.7067816]

Not a CRT, but I rescued one of these yesterday. Shit is cash.

[Anonymous No.7067869]

>>7067032
Mean

[Anonymous No.7067976]

>>7067435
I think rona is shutting down a lot of companies or making them liquidate stock they haven't used for years to make up the lack of income atm.

[Anonymous No.7067979]

>>7067816
What's so special its worth paying 284 bucks for a 1366x768 lcd from 2010?

[Anonymous No.7068025]

>>7067979
I didn't pay, I rescued it from the trash. It has great color and black levels. It also has HDMI (720p) and VGA, plus all the usual stuff. It was $1400 in 2005.

[Anonymous No.7068030]

>>7065305
my entire discord agrees, thats a fucking slav kitcheen anon

[Anonymous No.7068032]

>>7067021
Emulators will never be as good as a tv.

[Anonymous No.7068084]

>>7067048

[Anonymous No.7068373]

>>7066626
>It probably accepts PAL-60. Just emulate NTSC games and output PAL-60.
Can i do that with Wii snes9gx?

[Anonymous No.7068574]

>>7068025
Sounds like utter shit

[Anonymous No.7068714]

>>7067435
I found my lot in a paper mill that is renovating. Found two more off brand monitors today. Who knows what can happen.

[Anonymous No.7068798]

>>7067021
You'll get cancer faster from passive smoking than from a perfectly contained tube. Stop being a bitch.
>>7068574
That's because it is. There's no place for that thing in terms of media content.
>>7067976
That and using the spare time to clean up accumulated "trash".
>>7068373
Pretty sure it has that option, yes.
>>7068714
>in a paper mill
What do they need the PVMs for in there?

[Anonymous No.7068847]

>>7068798
>>7068714
>>7067435
I got my haul from cold calling a prop house that I had bought from in the past.
The guy owns 3 warehouses in Hollywood filled to the brim with outdated audio/visual stuff. I've been in 2 of the locations and it's too much to take in.
There are probably dozens of similar small rental houses out there sitting on lots of gear. They seem to just shuffle the shit around between themselves. I worked at a camera rental house like 10 years ago and when we cleared out a bunch of obsolete stuff the buyers were always smaller rental houses.

[Anonymous No.7068969]

Love this thing even though its fat as fuck. Getting a CPD-G400 tomorrow. I'll probably sell one of them.

[Anonymous No.7069049]

This is at my thrift store right now.

[Anonymous No.7069124]

I know it's not a CRT, but I was looking for a pair of speakers and there's a guy offering some Sony's. Is this decent?
He said they are 220mm high, 180mm wide, 80mm deep.

[Anonymous No.7069130]

>>7069124
They are ex TV ones, according to him.

[Anonymous No.7069137]

>>7069049
Fucking 4.1 sound up in this bitch. How many watts is the sub on this boy?

[Anonymous No.7069283]

>>7069124
Get the actual model number/product code off of him and start googling and searching hifi forums

If you're looking for good cheap speakers check craigslist and gumtree etc. for Zoomers selling up their parent's 80's/90's era stereo systems that aren't being used anymore

[Anonymous No.7069347]

>>7067134
wait a sec were you the dude i bought the 20f1u from

[Anonymous No.7069373]

>>7069130
CRT-era speakers from Sony are magnetically shielded top prevent them interfering with the picture, and they're carefully marked as such. In later, surround-sound cases it may only be the center speaker that's shielded. But if these are a pair as you say, then no, they're not specifically CRT speakers. And at 4ohms they're probably not worth bothering with in the first place.

[Anonymous No.7069379]

>>7068969
noice

[Anonymous No.7069386]

>>7067021
>>7068798
Forget the passive smoking, Anon will get cancer faster from eating a banana a day.

>>7068798
Err, out of interest, where was this paper mill?

[Anonymous No.7069394]

>>7069373
I should add that if they ARE in fact shielded, then they'd be worth grabbing. Normally that's marked right alongside the impedance, however. I guess there may be another sticker.

[Anonymous No.7069498]

>>7069283
>Get the actual model number/product code
Doesn't have one, probably because they came with the TV.
>>7069373
>And at 4ohms they're probably not worth bothering with in the first place.
Thanks, that saves me from a 35m drive and back.
>>7069394
He said it had surround capability but he never set that up. According to what you said, they're not. I'll pass. Thanks again.

[Anonymous No.7069608]

>>7069386
It's a large company that makes dozens of paper products you use every day. They have QA labs and cctv security. I am doing hazardous materials testing prior to renovations. I go into alot of fun places. Just recently started keeping any eye out for CRTs. Among many other off brand tubes I have found a PVM 1344q and 1350.

[Anonymous No.7070165]

Am I the only one who prefers consumer TVs to PVMs? It's not even a poorfag thing. I have a bunch of experience with PVMs but I just don't think the window blinds and hyper high TVL count do these games any favors. Yeah, the clarity is crazy good but the image overall looks like a emulator running on an OLED, which isn't something I want if I'm specifically seeking out a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7070336]

Is there a program that can set my pc crt monitor to 240p res? It cannot do that natively, i'm using integrated graphics to run this btw

[Anonymous No.7070356]

>>7070336
Either run it at 120Hz or 480p with scanline filter

[Anonymous No.7070382]

>>7070165
Consumer tvs have a desirable look of their own, but pvms have more adjustments and inputs. Pvms with lower tvl might be preferable, however.

[Anonymous No.7070415]

>>7070382
wat crt do u guys recommend for ps2

[Anonymous No.7070565]

>>7070415
got a crt for ps2 and all service menu numbers are messed up how do i fix it. anyone got 24AF43 tv and could give me all there service menu values

[Anonymous No.7070589]

>>7070415
Anything consumer really, maybe a late model component SD set. A majority of the Ps2 library caps out at 480i anyways.

[Anonymous No.7070591]

>>7069347
Were you that fat guy?

[Anonymous No.7071342]

>>7070589
I hate how much of a hassle they made it to play ps2 in 480p. You basically have to use a multi format monitor that accepts both 480i and 480p since the menu is 480i only, but those are the absolute rarest monitors to come by. Otherwise it's not even worth the effort to set up

[Anonymous No.7071350]

>>7071342
What's the hassle? Don't you just hold triangle and x as game loads? Can't any monitor that is capable of displaying 480p also work with 480i?

[Anonymous No.7071357]

>>7070165
Depends on what you're using it for. It may not be doing any favors for anything PS1 and earlier, but PS2/Gamecube/Xbox should look fantastic.

[Anonymous No.7071395]

>>7071357
I didn't think the leap between a 600tvl 480i monitor and 900tvl 480p monitor would be as drastic as it is. I started goofing around with pvms to play older games and never really had any interest in 480p for 6th gen consoles. I was wrong. Gamecube games in 480p look fantastic. I wouldn't pay a significant amount of money for a nice monitor but the results are there.

[Anonymous No.7071420]

>>7071357
I don't think the visual fiselity is what makes them good for that gen but rather their versatility. Ps2/GCN/Xbox is a clusterfuck of resolutions and interlacing vs progressive, even widescreen or not. Outside of professional monitors there isn't really a single display that covers all possiblities. If you use consumer TVs you'll have to prioritize. Personally that gen is the one where I'd opt for a widescreen HD CRT. Bigger size PVMs, especially 16:9 ones, just aren't worth the price to me when people will happily give away their giant Wega Trinitrons.

[Anonymous No.7071458]

>>7071350
>Can't any monitor that is capable of displaying 480p also work with 480i
No, for example, any pc crt monitor since the 90s. Playing the ps2 on such a crt is fantastic in 480p, but for one I can't see the menu, and for two it's useless for the 90% of ps2 games that don't do 480p

[Anonymous No.7071461]

>>7071420
although, xbox can do all games at 480p which is huge plus

[Anonymous No.7071472]

>>7065042
i wish there was a 1024x768 CRT with both VGA and composite inputs as well as built in speakers

[Anonymous No.7071645]

Fuck bros, I think my monitor's VGA connector got crapped out. The image is super dark, but the adjustment menu is fine.

[Anonymous No.7071707]

>>7071472
The presentation monitors such as NEC xm29, mitsubishi XC37

[Anonymous No.7071863]

>>7071458
>but for one I can't see the menu

why?

[Anonymous No.7071876]

>>7071863
You can only switch to 480p once you start the game

[Anonymous No.7071889]

>>7071876
ps2 > line doubler/scaler/deinterlacer > monitor


am I missing something here?

[Anonymous No.7071904]

>>7071889
why would I pay money for one of those, I'm talking about plugging the ps2 directly into a monitor using RGsB for 480p

[Anonymous No.7071919]

>>7071904
gbs 8200 is 20 bucks, mod it and you are gold

[Anonymous No.7071993]

Anybody know of a cheap sync separator (rgbs ->rgbhv without upscaling)?

[Anonymous No.7072040]

http://arcadeforge.net/Scaler-and-Strike-Devices/Sync-Strike::15.html

[Anonymous No.7072201]

>>7072040
Thanks. Does csync usually work as H-sync?

[Anonymous No.7072365]

Just got my first CRT in years. Followed an anon's advice and found this for free on FB market. How did I do?

[Anonymous No.7072367]

>>7065042
I retrieved my childhood CRT.
RGB SCART really look good
I thought that CRT motion resolution was a meme but holy shit this feel way smoother than a 144hz LCD monitor

[Anonymous No.7072409]

>>7072367
That doesn’t look like RGB...

[Anonymous No.7072440]

>>7072409
I think it's rgb with very low tvl

[Anonymous No.7072443]

>>7072409
It's rgb its just on a consumer telly and you're used to pvmeme's due to being a yank.

[Anonymous No.7072461]

found my tv on the cover of radio electronics 1985, it's a zenith cv-2562 with analog rgb

[Anonymous No.7072491]

>>7071707
>That XP29
Damn those are even harder to find than the XM29, is that yours? I passed one of these up a few years ago here in SoCal because I already had a 20L5.

[Anonymous No.7072554]

>>7072443
It's a 14" one (you're not supposed to be that close) and the picture doesn't do it justice since it look way better in person.

[Anonymous No.7072658]

>>7072367
oh fuck this takes me back
thank you for the comf, anon

[Anonymous No.7072670]

>>7065042
Here is my PVMeme

[Anonymous No.7072713]

>buy a crt
>play 5th gen and earlier at 480p
why do people do this?

[Anonymous No.7072787]

>>7068969
Gonna have to pay someone to replace the connector
Hopefully the sony arrives in working order in the mean time

[Anonymous No.7072841]

>>7072670
2030?

[Anonymous No.7072915]

>>7072713
nobody does this

[Anonymous No.7072964]

>>7072915
I see retards who don't have any idea how crts work post pixelshit at 480p in these threads all the time

[Anonymous No.7072982]

>>7072964
show one

[Anonymous No.7073169]

>>7066660
>mfw did the same for Can Stock Photos

why would they even NEED to see your driver's license in the first place?

[Anonymous No.7073214]

can I get some ideas here, I'm stuck. I have a sony kv-1311cr that takes rgb through a 34 pin floppy connector. I'm trying to get sound through it as well; on pin 34 here it says to leave it open to play "tv sound or audio signal from the video in audio". However, in practice, I can only get it to play the tv sound (static) and not the video in audio. Anybody think they know whats up?

[Anonymous No.7073242]

>>7073214
Also I need a Sony badge

[Anonymous No.7073248]

>>7073242

[Anonymous No.7073390]

>>7072409
Most consumer CRT doesn't have visible scanline, especially at 480i.

[Anonymous No.7073748]

>>7072841
2130QM im from the UK this is the European version of the 2030, it can still run NTSC signals thankfully. Just like the USA had the 2530 we had the 2730

[Anonymous No.7073829]

>>7069049
>4 speakers
>mono

[Anonymous No.7073954]

How are bvm d20f1u's?

[Anonymous No.7074116]

>>7073954
Why do you ask

[Anonymous No.7074179]

>>7072713
>>7072964
>at 480p
what? are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.7074201]

>>7072982
see pic
>>7074179
no, are you?

[Anonymous No.7074214]

>>7073214
Post the rest of the pinout

[Anonymous No.7074216]

>>7074201
the fuck is this shit?
first time seeing this

[Anonymous No.7074320]

>>7072365
>Wega
>flatscreen
Not ideal, but won't do any harm. Keep hunting for other free ones. Use freecycle.
>>7073169
Because you are the product when using a free service. Also started using SimpleLogin to create aliases. It lets you create 15 and keep them after the premium trial is over, so just do that and decide what to use them for later.
>>7074216
Looks like a computer monitor.

[Anonymous No.7074359]

>>7074320
no I mean why would anyone post here a shitty pic from emulator on pc monitor

[Anonymous No.7074376]

Found someone giving away a Sony TV and video recorder. Asked for more info. Fingers crossed...

[Anonymous No.7074415]

>>7074201
You mean at 480i.

[Anonymous No.7074424]

>>7074116
There's one local to me

[Anonymous No.7074432]

>>7074424
They're great if you're also going to be playing 6th gen. Plug a soft modded wii into it and output 240p or 480p depending on what you're playing. I wouldn't pay meme prices though

[Anonymous No.7074505]

Anyone fuck) ever goof around with time lapse vtrs?

[Anonymous No.7074563]

>>7070382
Forget PVMs, I'm even over trinitrons. The best slot mask consumer sets like the JVC D series and Toshiba A series are literal perfection for retro gaming. Curved screen + component + slot mask = effectively an arcade monitor. You don't get any more pure than that.

[Anonymous No.7074572]

>>7074563
Later batch B&O is effectively A series but better audio and looks. I agree with you though, my B&O set looks better than my friend's pristine Trinitron, even though the trinitron is a bit sharper and brighter.

[Anonymous No.7074573]

>>7074320
What's wrong with Wega? Of course it won't do any harm, it's a TV.

[Anonymous No.7074583]

>>7074563
I believe most arcade games would have been using RGB. And certain higher end arcade monitors (I have a nanao MS-9 for example) are approaching 500 TVL and you get some fairly noticeable scanlines. Still no PVM but not quite a consumer set look either

Point being that just get whatever gives you the look you want, there's so much variety that chasing some sort of intent is foolhardy

[Anonymous No.7074610]

>>7074563
>>7074583
I had a pvm 1910 a few years ago that really felt like an arcade monitor. I think the monitor was from the early 90s but don't quite remember. It was white and looked more like a pro feel monitor but was branded as a pvm. It had a relatively low tvl count by later standards, maybe 350-400(?)
It was bright as fuck and had no osd so I always assumed it had as low an input lag as possible. It had composite, rgb through bnc and through a db25 connector but no svideo.
I had a couple arcade cabinets in the past(neo geo multi and sf ex+) and that pvm felt closest to those.
That pvm was probably the coolest looking monitor I've ever owned in terms of form factor design.

[Anonymous No.7074718]

>>7074214

[Anonymous No.7074901]

>>7074718
Shit sorry, I thought there might have been another switch on one of the other pins. Have you tried the audio on its own, without the 34 pin connector in, to make sure it works? Does the video work?

[Anonymous No.7074903]

>>7074424
For how much? Did you get it?

[Anonymous No.7074963]

>>7074573
>What's wrong with Wega?
It's a flatscreen. Most people prefer curved screens. I think Wega won't do 240p either.

[Anonymous No.7074981]

>>7074963
It's a Sony KV-24FS120, from what I've looked at it does 240p fine. The lack of a curved screen is disappointing but it's mostly unimportant to me anyhow.

[Anonymous No.7075078]

>>7074963
>Wega won't do 240p
Did you just get into CRTs recently? All standard def CRTs will do 240p up to 480i. It's only HD sets that can't do 240p and will scale up the image.

[Anonymous No.7075221]

>>7075078
Maybe I'm thinking of HD Wegas.

[Anonymous No.7075361]

>>7074583
Component and RGB are effectively identical. One is just some math wizardry to save bandwidth and theoretically lossless.

[Anonymous No.7075404]

>>7069049
are you in 209 area?

[Anonymous No.7075527]

[Anonymous No.7075965]

>>7065279
>Reminder that Scart is a valid choice and anyone who tells you otherwise is memeing
Maybe for console leads, but Scart switches lag badly behind BNC and VGA for versatility. The real winning play is to buy a bunch of cheap SCART to VGA pin converters if you can't make your own leads and hook them up to an Extron MVX for all the benefits of matrix switching with none of the space concerns from something like a Crosspoint.

[Anonymous No.7076359]

Any tips on finding free/cheap computer monitors in England? I have no problem in finding TVs but monitors seem hard to find, and when I do they're really far away. Does the British Heart Foundation shops usually sell them?

[Anonymous No.7076456]

>>7076359
I got mine off of ebay for about 10 quid in an auction, so you just need to keep an eye out for any in your area. I picked mine up from out of town, so it will be easier if you have your own transport. Try searching for "VGA monitor" or "old Dell" if that helps.

[Anonymous No.7076487]

>>7073248
What TVL? Looks pretty sharp

[Anonymous No.7076491]

>>7076456
Cheers m8, I'll have a look.

[Anonymous No.7076808]

>>7065042

[Anonymous No.7076815]

>>7066378
>X series goes downhill immediately in my opinion. X is amazing, other X games are either mediocre or just plain bad.
Found the scrub.
X2 is better than X1.
X3 has some flaws but still a great game.
You just suck at the games and got your ass kicked by X2 and X3.

[Anonymous No.7076908]

>>7076487
I believe it's only in the 350~400 range, but it's a tiny 13" screen so things look sharper. Regardless of tvl, I think the image looks fantastic compared to other tv's like it

[Anonymous No.7076930]

>>7076908
I have a KX-14cp1 (the same tube on a different chassis). The TVL is 450

[Anonymous No.7076940]

>>7076930

[Anonymous No.7077246]

Is it okay to have my crt sitting next to my pc tower? It seems like my geometry has gotten worse since

[Anonymous No.7077251]

oh baby that front glass

[Anonymous No.7077257]

>>7077246
Are there also speakers next to it? Modern pc speakers are not magnetically shielded.

[Anonymous No.7077358]

>>7077251
Thanks to the audiofaggots, I found the old fisher catalog that had this tv. Nothing special, but a well designed set. Would grab it if I had the room

[Anonymous No.7077363]

>>7077251
some other cool sets

[Anonymous No.7077364]

>>7077363

[Anonymous No.7077373]

Inspired by this post >>7072367 I am now trying to figure out what the hell my childhood CRT was that I played countless hours of the first Ratchet & Clank on.
So far I've narrowed down:
>99%+ sure it was Emerson brand
>Black case, rounded tube
>Small, I want to say between 9”-14”
>Built in VCR (never did work on mine)
>Headphone jack in the front
>Composite video, mono audio only
>Had an Energy Star logo on the front
So there's a bunch that meet these criteria but I remember one detail which might help distinguish it though
>It’s buttons for channel and volume were shaped like rounded arrow heads/triangles, with the fat ends facing each other (so it’d look like this: <> <>) and they had bumps on them for texture
If this rings a bell, let me know. I’m not exactly going to go out and get one again, but it’d be nice to see a picture of one after so long.

[Anonymous No.7077553]

>>7075965
>The real winning play is to buy a bunch of cheap SCART to VGA pin converters if you can't make your own leads
Would it be possible to make a VGA to SCART lead by replacing the end of one of them? Can't find monitors close to me, but want to hook my computer up.

[Anonymous No.7077707]

my 20f1u turns on but no image appears. ps2 works fine on other monitor so it must be the bvm itself. any clues? pressing the numpad for inputs doesnt change anything either

[Anonymous No.7077720]

>>7065042
P233 PC running on a little PVM

[Anonymous No.7077760]

>>7077707
Can you get the menu to come up? Can you hear the tube powering up at all?

[Anonymous No.7077785]

>>7068030
>>7065319
>>7065308
That's my photo, I'm American. Just moved into this 110 year old house and haven't remodeled yet. It's my dinning room for the record. House had an extension built in the late 90s that the kitchen is in now, I think before it was that tile room. Broke my leg like 6 weeks ago so I haven't had a chance to do any home improvements or even really organize stuff. My retro game room is a hot mess right now. Pic is my dinning room as proof.

To stay on topic, I'd take a D series over a Sony CRT anyday.

[Anonymous No.7077814]

>>7077785
anon, I love my jvc and my sony monitors equally.

[Anonymous No.7077820]

>>7077814
I like Sony's for 480p content and D Series for 240p content.

[Anonymous No.7077857]

>>7077760
nope i don't see the menu at all. the humming at the beginning when it degausses is the tube right? the standby light is on even with my component cables plugged in. the screen stays gray as if the display isnt even on itelf

[Anonymous No.7077882]

>>7077857
Degaussing does create a buzz sound then a click. transformers also hum pretty loudly when powered on.

[Anonymous No.7077901]

>>7077785
Well, 110yo american houses looks exactly like modern day slav's kitchens then.

[Anonymous No.7077930]

>>7077257
Oh shit, yes there are. I should move those huh?

[Anonymous No.7077961]

>>7077930
Yeah, m8. Modern tvs/monitors are unaffected by magnets in speakers so speaker manufacturers don't give a fuck about magnetic shielding anymore.
Just move your speakers further away.
If you're looking for speakers in the future specifically for your crt, a good rule of thumb is that front speakers from surround sets are usually magnetically shielded and usually marked as such. An operation manual or specsheet will also definitely tell you.

[Anonymous No.7077984]

Is there a trinitron (the 90s black one, not the shitty flatscreen WEGA one with component). been trying to look for one but im having no luck, everything is either composite only, or flatscreen crt that are garbage.

[Anonymous No.7078005]

>>7077984
Hunting for specific models and brands seems like a nightmare at this point. I would just get the best you can find locally(for free or cheap) and trade up if and when you run into a better tv.

[Anonymous No.7078012]

[Anonymous No.7078035]

>>7077984
Sony's first XBR (KV-25XBR) is, to the best of my knowledge, the only curved Trinitron with component input. It also comes in a few other sizes larger than 25" (I've only seen 32") but information is a little spotty. I wish you more than luck.

[Anonymous No.7078134]

>>7077984
If getting a curved Trinitron with good outputs is your goal, you might just want to seek out a PVM.

[Anonymous No.7078194]

>>7078134
i wanted to aim for something more possible since PVMs became a bit of a meme and are expensive and rare. I guess there is not much difference after all

[Anonymous No.7078215]

It's not too hard to mod most 90s CRTs for RGB if all you want is a Trini with inputs better than S-video. Its a hell of a lot cheaper than spending $400 on a 14in PVM.

Honestly I admit my anti-PVM stance is not just that I legit prefer the consumer look, its also a bias because almost every PVM junkie I know will spend hundreds on a tiny ass monitor, sit on the floor Indian style like a little kid four inches from the screen, and try to convince me that its peak gaming. It feels like gaslighting.

[Anonymous No.7078242]

>>7078194
The thing with pro monitors is that you either pay with your time or your money. I got that 1954Q for $150, and a year later wound up getting a PVM-2530, a Mitsubishi AM-2752A, and a Commodore 1702 in the same lot for even less. All thanks to regularly checking local surplus auction sites for CRTs and traveling a few hours to pick them up. RGB-modding Trinitrons is also an option if you don't suck at soldering as the anon mentioned here:
>>7078215
I'm inclined to agree, especially since those types are responsible for the market being inflated in the first place and those expensive CRTs often get destroyed when shipped. Though 14" is actually pretty nice for desktop usage. Pic related was my /vr/ setup for a little while.

[Anonymous No.7078251]

>>7078035
here's my kv-20xbr and in the background kv-25xbr with a stand. They are indeed fantastic, although I've never heard of a 32 size.
Also, the very last curved screen XBRs (e.g. kv-23xbr48) had component input, and is maybe the only curved sony tv to have it.

[Anonymous No.7078261]

>>7078194
>>7078242
12 to 14 in is decent for using on your desk. I use my 13in CRT on my computer desk and I play retro games while shitposting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.7078415]

>>7078251
could only find a picture of it before i calibrated a bit but you can see how sharp it is

[Anonymous No.7078479]

>>7075527

[Anonymous No.7078498]

For any of you picking up old TV's/monitors, if at all, how do you test before powering up to avoid fireworks?
Got two untested and don't know history

[Anonymous No.7078506]

>>7078498
If I have reason to be concerned I run an extension cord with the TV outside on the pavement.

[Anonymous No.7078529]

>>7078506
Thanks anon, will give this a try. Very paranoid since I have a monitor with a faulty flyback, apparently that particular one is famous for blowing necks up and causing damage to anything in vicinity. Not touching it unless I find a new flyback by some miracle.

[Anonymous No.7078530]

[Anonymous No.7078625]

Can I get a quick rundown on convergence rings adjustment?

[Anonymous No.7078678]

>>7075527
>>7078530
why are you still in the beginning of hl1

[Anonymous No.7078720]

>>7077882
my pops opened it up a while back and he didn't notice any glaring problems. could it be my bvmeme is now just a 100lb movie prop

[Anonymous No.7078735]

>>7077553
>Would it be possible to make a VGA to SCART lead by replacing the end of one of them? Can't find monitors close to me, but want to hook my computer up.
Yes, but it doesn't change the actual signal that passes through them. So whatever your computer outputs still needs to be compatible with whatever display you're targeting.

[Anonymous No.7078831]

>>7078720
Possibly, but it's hard to tell via description. Are they really 100lbs?

[Anonymous No.7078943]

I bet you can't find a single other picture of this monitor on the internet (Iiyama Vision Master Pro 500)

[Anonymous No.7078964]

>>7068798
>What do they need the PVMs for in there?
Monitoring the process?

[Anonymous No.7078971]

>>7069373
>And at 4ohms they're probably not worth bothering with in the first place.
What?

[Anonymous No.7079045]

>>7077961
Fantastic, thanks anon! Now I need to figure out how to access the menu to fix the geometry. I'll post some before and after in the spirit of the thread

[Anonymous No.7079301]

>>7079045
any crt recommendations for ps2

[Anonymous No.7079336]

>>7079301
Anything, 90% of the library caps out at 480i

[Anonymous No.7079351]

>>7079336
had a 27AF44 and it died speakers started making buzzing sound out of speakers

[Anonymous No.7079362]

Just playing some unlicensed sfc carts on my pvm having a blast with this cg!

[Anonymous No.7079486]

I fucked up today.
>Previously deadlifted a 29" arcade monitor without much trouble
>Needed to replace a similar size (28.5"), disconnected AC and video
>This thing is at roughly face height and in a frame with no easy spot to hold onto
>Proceed to lift, much heavier than previous monitor
>Have it out of the cab and realised I forgot to disconnect the remote board
>have to put back in, struggling with weight and neally drop several times plus needing to adjust hands
>Off centre from cab and cause damage trying to put in
My whole body hurts. I'm not very well built and these things are approx my body weight if not more.

[Anonymous No.7079537]

>>7079486
work out.
>lifting for women
eh
>lifting for self improvement
ehh
>lifting to be able to move hueg crt
yeahhhhh
I carried a 25" Panasonic+stand attached down a flight of narrow stairs with no problem and my shoulders didn't even touch the walls, since I pretty much lifted it above my head.

[Anonymous No.7079585]

>>7079537
Really gotta do this. Want to anyway because I'm way too frail. My main problem is that I keep injuring myself, tried PTs but they didn't really do much of anything to help.

[Anonymous No.7079589]

What do you /vr/os mostly settle on when given options for your console outputs? I was thinking about chasing the RGB meme to simplify my set up (as in, could easily move to an upscaler with scart in the future and stuff) but it's all looking like a pain in the ass, might just settle on s-video for anything that isn't component. D-Series BTW.

[Anonymous No.7079686]

>>7079589
What is a Pita about RGB? You buy the cables then plug one end into the console and the other end into your switch or TV.

[Anonymous No.7079803]

>>7079585
>tried PTs
Waste of money. Most of them just drag programs they get online.
>I keep injuring myself
Warm up and use proper posture.

[Anonymous No.7080118]

>>7079537

[Anonymous No.7080141]

>>7080118
I knew there was a image somewhere, but never saved it. Thanks fren.

[Anonymous No.7080163]

>>7077785
What're you playing?

[Anonymous No.7080226]

>>7080163
>can't do 4K 120fps + ray tracing
>can't do 240p output and probably not even 480p
That shit router is stuck between both ends.

[Anonymous No.7080410]

>>7078943
Very nice. I have the Pro 514 myself. Excellent monitor.

[Anonymous No.7080430]

>>7078943
found this goofy video
https://youtu.be/eetLsy_0WIc

[Anonymous No.7080434]

>>7080430
The description says 500 but the model in the video is a 450.

[Anonymous No.7080463]

>>7072554

SakuTai really making rounds now in these times after the translation patch had come out

[Anonymous No.7080475]

What was the model of these sleek-looking, sought after, but not overly expensive PC monitors with high resolution?

[Anonymous No.7080484]

>>7080163
>goblin slayer
based

[Anonymous No.7080493]

>>7080475
iiyama, LaCiE, diamondtron? Hint: everything is expensive right now unless you're lucky and good at searching

[Anonymous No.7080505]

>>7065042
Got one of these Apple Performa Plus Displays and a piss coloured Dell off lady on freecycle who just listed them as two old monitors.

Anyway the Apple has a gay DB-15 connector and seems to use TTL Csync instead of Hsync and Vsync so now I have to build some adapter to use it. Does anyone know anything about these Displays, are they any good?

[Anonymous No.7080517]

>>7074320
>>Wega
>>flatscreen
>Not ideal,

[Anonymous No.7080580]

>>7080505
I doubt that it's ttl csync. If you have linux you can use xrandr to set the hsync output to csync, and you'll have to set the modeline very specifically because it's a single resolution display. 640x480 66.67 Hz for a 35 kHz signal I think. Alternately you can tie the hsync and vsync together and recuce the voltage with resistors

[Anonymous No.7080592]

>>7080493
Neither, but it was worth a shot.

[Anonymous No.7080675]

https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/wiki/PSX-mode
>Important: Unlike real PSX consoles, the PS2 implementation does not properly switch video modes (PAL / NTSC). All the settings that make up a valid PAL / NTSC mode are set only once, when ps1driver starts up, and they get set according to the console region (though this can be tricked on real hardware). Once the console is in PSX mode, software can still cause a 'mode change', but this will not affect the real GS video timings. In effect, it only changes the image position offsets. (Modchips for real hardware offer settings like a 'Y-Fix' to shift the image up and down to counteract this behaviour, though they do nothing to fix choppy scrolling, etc.)
Does this mean PS1 games played on a PS2 do not correctly handle 240p/480i switches?

[Anonymous No.7080685]

>>7080580
Thank You, this is pretty helpful

>I doubt that it's ttl csync

The manual says "Input Signals
RGB linear, all colors
Composite sync TTL level"

The rest of what you said is bang on though 640x480 66.67 Hz for a 35 kHz.

[Anonymous No.7080829]

>>7080685
well theoretically you could build some simple circuitry to turn csync into ttl csync but desu that monitor's not quite worth the trouble

[Anonymous No.7080985]

I can't find a computer monitor. Should I just give up and play on my LCD? I really want to install XP and play Unreal Tournament and other retro shooters.

[Anonymous No.7081435]

>>7080985
post a city within driving distance and we'll look for one

[Anonymous No.7081637]

>>7079686
>What is a Pita about RGB?
A hipster pontificating about how RGB through [insert latest gadget here] is the only way games should be played while nibbling at its pita full of chiapet fleece

[Anonymous No.7081721]

If a Cat pisses inside a crt is there a way to get the smell out? Should I even bother? It's a PVM so I think I can sell it anyways.

[Anonymous No.7081729]

how would a 14L5 be worth for parts only?

[Anonymous No.7081791]

>>7081721
>Catfags can't even have a tv without their cat pissing on it
This is now a dogCRT thread

[Anonymous No.7081934]

>>7079589
>I was thinking about chasing the RGB meme to simplify my set up (as in, could easily move to an upscaler with scart in the future and stuff) but it's all looking like a pain in the ass, might just settle on s-video for anything that isn't component. D-Series BTW.
It's very situation-dependent, honestly. RGB on the whole gives you a very clean look, but it breaks certain visual tricks such as dithering that were heavily used on some consoles' libraries.

I personally would go RGB anyways since it's easily transferrable if you get something that actually supports it like a PVM or a Profeel and converters between Component and RGB aren't that expensive. I'd strongly recommend handling your switching via a BNC matrix switch or better yet, via a VGA one so that way you can manage all of your D-Series' video lines with a single box.

[Anonymous No.7082254]

>>7080829
I thought something along the lines of this. Quad XOR gates are cheap. Then use Powerstrip or something to set the resolution to exactly what the Monitor expects.

You're right, it'll still probably be a shitty fixed resolution display and isn't really worth the effort. But I got it for free and my autism simply won't allow me to leave it alone until it displays some sort of picture.

[Anonymous No.7082523]

>>7080685
LM1881 will amp 75R csync (or strip sync from composite or luma) to 5v TTL if you don't terminate output with 75R to ground.
ez

[Anonymous No.7082592]

Opinions on BenQ monitors, specifically V551? There's a cheap one 1h30m from me.

[Anonymous No.7082610]

>>7082592
It's okay if you're just looking for a VGA monitor to maybe play older PC games, Dreamcast, or even integer scaled consoles. It wasn't a very good monitor even when it came out and it's also pretty small, like 14" screen real estate.
I wouldn't pay more than $30 for one and that's if I didn't already have anything better.

[Anonymous No.7082648]

>>7082610
>It's okay if you're just looking for a VGA monitor to maybe play older PC games
It's what I want one for.
>I wouldn't pay more than $30 for one and that's if I didn't already have anything better.
I don't have any and it's sitting at 1£ auction on ebay.

[Anonymous No.7083067]

>>7082254

what is powerstrip?

[Anonymous No.7083161]

>>7083067
looks like it's a windows utility that works around your drivers

[Anonymous No.7083224]

>>7083161
wowie!

[Anonymous No.7083718]

This came up listed for free in my area. Can anyone identify what I think may be a higher end CRT monitor?

[Anonymous No.7084340]

Just found two of these by the dumpster in my apartment complex, complete with AC cord and VGA cables. I just ordered a VGA to HDMI converter and I plan on using that along with a RGB to HDMI to play my Dreamcast and GameCube. Does anyone have experience using a computer monitor to play these systems? I currently have them
Hooked up to a 4K tv that is 50+ inches and while the games look good they are stretched and blurry.

[Anonymous No.7084345]

>>7084340
is this a joke? just get a crt

[Anonymous No.7084353]

>>7084340
the worst idea you could have possibly had.

[Anonymous No.7084356]

>tfw fell for the transcoder/crtemudriver meme
Overscan HELL, nice to have around though, I guess.

[Anonymous No.7084357]

>>7083718
I mean you could always just get it. It looks small enough to not be a hassle to just chuck somewhere if it sucks.

[Anonymous No.7084358]

>>7084356
why not adjust it through retroarch

[Anonymous No.7084359]

Had to compress the image to post it here, but I'm really loving how my games look on that wega I picked up. Unfortunately, all I have is composite so image is a bit blurrier than I'd like, but even then it looks great to me.

[Anonymous No.7084382]

>>7084359
composite looks excellent on the flat screen trinitrons, I mostly just use composite with my big kv-32fs200 since I mostly play unmodded or composite modded systems and they all look great

[Anonymous No.7084392]

>>7084382
I'm a poorfag so I'm playing on a modded Wii, text on 480i can be pretty blurry which is why I want to upgrade to composite, but I also have poor eyesight to begin with so I'm not really sure.

[Anonymous No.7084407]

this guy is the pinnacle of insufferable faggotry

[Anonymous No.7084463]

>>7084407
Holy cow that's a lot of money for a TV. They can't be worth that much, can they?

[Anonymous No.7084524]

>>7084463
considering I picked one up for free 15 minutes from me, no, they are not. There will always be someone giving these away, so anyone who pays more than 20-40 for a consumer crt is a retard

[Anonymous No.7084631]

>>7084358
Fine for horz, have to fuck with the CRT service menu for vert. Software vert scaling will make things jagged and uneven, negating the whole point of an autistic component/transcoder setup. The problem is, you can get it correct for 224, 240, or 256 individually but it'll be too squished or too stretched/cropped out for the others, at least on consumer televisions. I've kinda settled on tweaking it to look nice enough with a little underscan on 224, and a little overscan on 240. Vert position can be changed in software, anyway.

[Anonymous No.7084650]

>>7084524
I got mine for free too. Nice.

[Anonymous No.7084651]

what are some good PC monitors that aren't as expensive as Sony FW900?

[Anonymous No.7084660]

>>7084407
Know-what-I-have faggots are the fucking worst. I know what I have and still wouldn't sell any dusty, could-pop-at-any-time CRT for more than $50. Fucking queers.

[Anonymous No.7084692]

>>7084407

I had a 36" Wega XBR back in the day, fucker weighed nearly 300lbs

[Anonymous No.7084757]

>>7084651
anything with >100Hz horizontal refresh rate, and 96hz ones are good too (1600x1200 @ 85hz)

[Anonymous No.7085151]

got 240p on a sony e200 monitor but the retroarch scaling is a tad off.. whuddu i do?

[Anonymous No.7085170]

>>7085151
Make sure it's indeed set to 240p, integer scaling is on, and bilinear filtering and any shaders are off

[Anonymous No.7085916]

Someone fell hard for the meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuPJQgjNnmQ

[Anonymous No.7086093]

>>7085916
That's probably the MSRP for one when it was new.

[Anonymous No.7086104]

>>7085916
Why would anybody spend this much money on a CRT?

[Anonymous No.7086131]

>>7086093
Try 40k

[Anonymous No.7086143]

>>7086104
On top of having all the perks of a pro monitor, D32s are much rarer than typical PVMs or BVMs, so it's not that weird that they command that much of a premium. It's probably the highest quality and biggest CRT Sony ever made, save for the PVM-4300.

[Anonymous No.7086167]

>>7086131
It is strange when people complain about super high professional monitor prices these days. They are still relatively cheap considering their original prices. The fact that prices plummeted for a few years and people were able to stumble on to them for cheap should mean nothing really. Those that were lucky to get them for cheap should feel fortunate but those that missed out are paying the price for showing up late but still arbitrarily demanding high quality.
It's been my experience that professional monitors owned by studios and rental houses were also very well maintained. One I picked up had a service record taped to the inside of the case.

Music collectibles like records or guitars have similar arcs in value and the people interested in them seem to have come to terms with that.
Either way, professional monitors still seem to be abundant at decent prices in some places if you're willing to put in the work to find them.

[Anonymous No.7086187]

[Anonymous No.7086197]

>>7076815
Not him but X2 is a lazier game and X3 is fucking boring. Difficulty is not the issue because I play the Zero games repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.7086264]

>>7086167
>They are still relatively cheap considering their original prices. The fact that prices plummeted for a few years and people were able to stumble on to them for cheap should mean nothing really.

This doesn't make sense in practice though because the only reason professional monitors became known in the first place is because there was a window where they could be had for a song. Now that those days are over so is most of the value of the item given that the price is 500x that of a consumer set but the quality bump is nowhere close to 500x better. The fact that these things cost $20k when they were new is a non-issue because no random person would buy them for that price. What made them worth it was that you could walk out of a local TV station with one for free. Now that they cost hundreds for a 20in at best, while a 36in D-Series can be had for free, nobody can recommend a PVM with a straight face.

[Anonymous No.7086332]

>>7086264
Of course there are more sensible options for those who simply want to play old vidya on crt screens. Those people are not usually in the market for a pvm. If they are, it's usually for a brief period until they find out what people are charging/paying for them. The people that autistically feel a need to seek out that negligible quality bump are the people in the market for a professional monitor. And once you place yourself in that niche, you should be willing to forget.
The bump may not be 500x better, but the convenience is something some buyers may be willing to pay for. The more experiences I have retro vidya enthusiasts the more I realize that many of them are completely technologically illiterate and not very handy at all. Also, the people that want to play on real, and period accurate hardware, are already willing to overpay in relation to what they're receiving.
Professional monitors may be hundreds times more expensive than the cheap or free consumer grade options but authentic game cartridges and discs are infinitely more expensive than emulating with a variety of filters available.I don't play that way but it is definitely an option.
I guess I'm getting at the fact thst the people that are looking for this aren't exactly some random person looking to simply play some old games. They're people that want a specific and fairly niche set of technologies, whether it's for maximizing their hobby or as a status symbol.
The thing is thst technology was the one commodity that didn't have the same price cycle as everything else. For a long time technology only got further obsolete and cheaper as time went on. Clothing, vehicles, toys, art, all go through a cycle of depreciation as new things come out then appreciation as nostalgia and obscurity hits later on.
Whatever I'm rambling. Basically the nerds did it to themselves and they could still find them for cheap if they weren't man babies to scared and stupid to do so.

[Anonymous No.7086492]

I've got an old Trinitron crt monitor, it works fine for common use but when I play fast games with lots of shadows and color contrast (like Doom 3 or Unreal Tournament) there is a noticible ghosting. I'm pretty sure that the issue is the VGA cable, but my monitor is one of those that have the cable attached to the thing instead of just having a video output plug.
Is there a simple way of changing the VGA cable?

[Anonymous No.7086502]

>>7086131
I imagine you paid for urgent and competent support with such a product too. Obviously out the window now and you need boomermancy maxed out to work on these things.

[Anonymous No.7086513]

>>7086492
Open, desolder from board, strip another one and solder.

[Anonymous No.7086525]

>>7086492
What kind of ghosting?

[Anonymous No.7086543]

>>7086525
Moving bright colors show a bright "shadow" behind them. For example if I move my mouse quickly over a black backgrond.

[Anonymous No.7086547]

>>7086513
I'm not gonna start dismantling and soldering on something that can electrocute me when I can get another crt monitor for less than 20€.

[Anonymous No.7086551]

>>7065042
how would one go about aquiring a sed or fed display now days?

[Anonymous No.7086572]

>>7086547
Power it off, leave unplugged for a week with power button on, open, discharge the rest, proceed to desolder. Use rubber gloves if you're that paranoid/pussy.

[Anonymous No.7086579]

>>7086547
lol then why even come in here to ask for advice?

[Anonymous No.7086608]

>>7086543
sounds like phosphor persistence. Ghosting usually arrises as repeated images to the right of bight things. Pic related is what vga cable interference looks like

[Anonymous No.7086614]

>>7086551
there are most likely as few as single digits of working models, you will never find one

[Anonymous No.7086628]

>>7086332
>They're people that want a specific and fairly niche set of technologies, whether it's for maximizing their hobby or as a status symbol.
I think it became this but it didn't start that way. PVM enthusiasts are a niche of a niche now but they became popular in the general CRT niche as a hidden gem. It wasn't originally a subset is what I'm saying. It was CRT users passing around the insight that really nice pro monitors could be found cheap if you asked the right people. And so they made sense at the time because if you can get a 20in consumer set for free or a 20in PVM for free then going for the PVM was a rational choice. These people just wanted CRTs, not specifically PVMs. The PVMs just happened to be available. Now the culture shifted and a subculture of CRT users have formed that are specifically PVM junkies.

[Anonymous No.7086632]

>>7086143
The NEC XM/XP29 actually has a larger 4:3 screen real estate at 27", the D32 is larger in that it can display 720p-1080i without letterboxing, but you actually only get ~29" in 16:9 and only ~24" in 4:3 despite the name saying 32.

[Anonymous No.7086640]

>>7086551
>>7086614
So mad this tech never made it to market. Would have been the best of both worlds.

[Anonymous No.7086668]

>>7086640
Just imagine if a company suddenly started producing them and CRTs again, but using up to date technology.

[Anonymous No.7086686]

>>7086628
Yes, it has become that. The weird thing is that now some people seem to think that crts in general are rare or sought after. So, you can see the price of consumer grade crts rising for no good reason. Which in turn might make some impatient people looking to buy any crt consider just paying the extra hundred for the one that's perceived to be nicer.
I see consumer grade tvs and monitors listed at $100-120 all the time. Sure, they may not sell at that price, but the price tag might still affect a new guy to the market' purchasing decision.

All that being said, there are still lots of professional monitors out there that could be had for cheap or free.

[Anonymous No.7086694]

>>7086632
not to mention the mitsubishi xc37. Although, these displays do not have the tvl to 'technically' compete with the d32.
Also the kv-40xbr800 deserves an honorable mention for the largest consumer hd crt ever made, using the highest resolution consumer tube ever developed, but it's not multiformat :(

[Anonymous No.7086906]

>>7086131
>>7086167
Those 32 inch BVM languished on eBay for years at around $1000 before the CRT hype took off. What do they go for now? Last I heard someone paid $6k for one, just nuts.

The argument that "they cost $40k new means even the meme price is a deal" is absurd. Like arguing an old computer that cost six figures new is a deal for $5000.

>>7086264
yep. Anything with a tube is obsolete junk to 99 percent of the population. I have an Ikegami TM20-80 I luckily got for $100 (shipped) from eBay before things went nuts, they go for nearly $1000 these days but I would never pay that much.

[Anonymous No.7087268]

>>7086668
I dont think SED/FED would matter today. They would have been great back in the day because LCDs suck but now OLED does everything SED would be good for. The only exception would be if they worked with lightguns but I doubt they would have.

Producing CRTs is a pipe dream. The factories don't exist anymore and the costs of production require markets of scale. That's why PVMs cost $20k, not because there's $20k worth of tech in there but because it was low yield for very specific purposes.

What I DO think could happen is new hobbyist production of chassis, PCBs and neckboards that will drive whatever bare tube you throw at it. Busted TV or monitor? As long as the tube itself isn't damaged drop it in the new chassis and it will work fine. Old TV is RF only? Salvage the tube and drop it in the new chassis that supports every input.

[Anonymous No.7087617]

Fellas, i found my old dusted CRT and PS2 by chance when visiting my parent's house. To my surprise and delight they still worked! Sadly we threw away all my games (except for SOCOM 2, for some reason) and controllers years ago, but i figure they are fairly cheap these days.

[Anonymous No.7087842]

>>7065042
Anyone know how this guy is playing the CRTs using their front faces at around 53 seconds in the video? I dont see anything on his hands, is it possible he is using touchscreen crts?

Video in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0VYsiMtrNE

[Anonymous No.7087879]

>>7086131
The real humor in this is that 99.99% of people will never need the features these bvms offer. PVMs already offer more than one would need and do the exact same thing. These people are just wealthy fools who are buying the "best of the best", because they think it has something to do with quality. Once the tube goes on those D32s, you're fucked m8, unless you want to spend $200,000 30 years from now, assuming you know anything about keeping your monitor in good health that is.
The safest investment is in the more common PVMS, ideally imo the 20L5, or any of the tubes with 600 tvl. Replacement tubes for 600 tvl monitors are everywhere and probably will still be in some capacity when yours goes. The 20L5 is the best of the PVM series you can get that is even capable of having it's tube replaced by other models. Particularly one of the A series, which while is getting memed to high heaven, still shouldn't hit unforgivable prices.

[Anonymous No.7087881]

Pelco Pmcs17a, worth getting one for $35?

[Anonymous No.7087946]

>>7087881
For $35 it's worth getting a couple. B&H says 700tvl but no rgb

[Anonymous No.7087951]

>>7087881
>>7087946
yeah I tried one of these pelcos before and they're nice slot masks; be careful, though, because security monitors often have burn in and burnt out tubes

[Anonymous No.7087961]

>>7087946
>>7087951
Yeah no rgb sucks, but I don't have any rgb modded consoles yet anyway and I mostly play NES/SNES/Atari/Genesis etc. so S video is sufficient. I guess I have a trip to make then. Thanks dudes.

[Anonymous No.7087976]

>>7087961
Psx, snes, saturn, dreamcast, ps2 don't need rgb mods. Genesis just needs a mod to remove jailbars but outputs rgb. But honestly svideo really is enough

[Anonymous No.7087985]

>>7087976
yeah I have a Genesis I plan on s video modding, the snes already has it, I might do an NES s video mod, and for Atari 2600 who fucking cares, composite is enough (I've modded it so no more shitty rf)

[Anonymous No.7088036]

>>7086906
>obsolete junk
It could have continued to be developed, just because the kike companies dropped it doesn't mean the technology peaked. Stop falling for the digital distribution and video game and electronic industries' brainwashing

[Anonymous No.7088067]

>>7088036
They got too fucking heavy to be practical. By the end, a 34" HD CRT was 200 goddamn pounds and had a massive footprint. You needed an actual piece of furniture to support it. The technology simply had no future once flat panels became affordable.

What non-autistic purpose would CRTs serve today? They can't compete for screen size with flat panels. Who's going to move a 50" CRT? You'd need a crane. Most residental doors would be too small to fit it through.

[Anonymous No.7088068]

>>7088036
samsung is pushing for new quantum OLED screens that look to be essentially flat cathode-anode setups, let's cross our fingers

[Anonymous No.7088078]

>>7088068
the colors are in a staggered tri-dot like grid? So there will be no native resolution? If so, extremely based

[Anonymous No.7088085]

>>7088078
idk, i think the colors will be stacked like how jvc did there masks

[Anonymous No.7088089]

>>7088085
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.7088095]

>>7088089
>>7088085
>>7088078
>>7088068

[Anonymous No.7088097]

>>7088067
Die corporate cock sucker
CRT too heavy for you? Fine, then the industry should have went through with SED or FED which were never brought to market because of a licensing lawsuit. A great example of why intellectual monopoly law needs to be abolished
>>7088068
Inferior to SED and FED
OLED also has other inherent cons that neither CRT, SED, or FED have

[Anonymous No.7088118]

>>7088097
SED was not a miracle display technology, nigger. For starters, it was still a static grid with a set, not-so-great resolution and definitely wouldn't be as scalable as OLED (4K, 8K). Plus, they're biggest hurdle keeping it off the market was that it was way too expensive to manufacture

[Anonymous No.7088134]

>>7088118
Still better than the trash we have now
>not-so-great resolution
Do you work PR for a TV manufacturer or are you a corporate cock sucker? you're comparing the resolution of a TV from the mid 00's to those that are being sold right now and are still being developed. If SED and FED were still developed at the same rate then they would have the same resolution as the garbage panels that are sold today.
>Plus, they're biggest hurdle keeping it off the market was that it was way too expensive to manufacture
That is an outright lie, Canon was in the process of bringing it to market but a licensing lawsuit stopped them, that lawsuit lasted several years and other panels had already been out for several years so they decided not to

[Anonymous No.7088201]

[Anonymous No.7088286]

>>7087617
>except for SOCOM 2, for some reason

your dad def played that game

[Anonymous No.7088310]

>>7088134
What does SED/FED do that beats OLED or especially microLED? Seems like every benefit of that display technology has been met by the newest ones either currently available or on the horizon.

[Anonymous No.7088328]

>>7067048
>that big ass flag in the reflections of the screens
God have mercy

[Anonymous No.7088350]

>>7088067
Samsung was doing some interesting work with their slimfit series. They were significantly lighter for their size. Unfortunately, The shallow tubes heavily distorted the image. Samsung's solution was to warp the image back to correct it. The extra image processing likely added input lag. Still, it's fun to think about where they could have made improvements had they continued R&D.

There was a similar thrust of development on DLP tvs during the mid to late 2000s though their prospects were dimmer in my opinion. Screen size was the only major appeal of rear projection tvs and once lcd (and plasma) screens 50+ inches became more ubiquitous, RP tvs lost their only reason to exist.

[Anonymous No.7088484]

>>7088350
I think the problem isn't that CRTs died out but that LCDs won. Of all the flat panel technologies, LCD was the worst of the bunch and it's easy to be salty that it's what we've been stuck with for the last 15 years and is only recently being displaced. Now that we have better prospects in OLED and MicroLED ahead of us, I'm pretty satisfied with a decent sized CRT for retro games but otherwise saying farewell to the technology for every other purpose. I just don't feel compelled to ask the "what if?" about CRTs coming back or never having died out.

[Anonymous No.7089434]

So is there a reason people insist that capacitors must be replaced? I opened up a smaller pvm to replace a voltage regulator and figured I should replace the capacitors while I was in there. I ordered the components and while I was waiting for digikey I started pulling capacitors. All of the capacitors were still well within spec.
I get that it's the safer thing to do but some people talk as if it's an absolute must. Is there a legitimate reason for this seemingly universal imperitave or have a couple of horror stories scared everyone into thinking their new expensive toy is a time bomb?

[Anonymous No.7089442]

>>7089434
Who says you MUST replace caps, never heard that one before, caps should be replaced in consumer tv's if you want to use them for the next decade or so, in pvm's, eh only when problems start they used much much more higher quality components.

[Anonymous No.7089470]

>>7089442
That's what I figured. Maybe I'm imagining it but recapping seems to be a big fucking deal to retro vidya enthusiasts. Actually, maybe it's because the only reason to go on a forum and talk about your monitor/console is because you're experiencing problems and the solution is often recapping.
I have a few low to moderate hour bvms(47k, 32k,3k)that I don't plan on recapping for a while. Those are so easy to work on though that it's basically a non issue.

[Anonymous No.7089550]

>>7089470
>recapping seems to be a big fucking deal to retro vidya enthusiasts
Because it is, depending on the console or computer recapping is mandatory as they are broke or will be broke very shortly. A mega cd 1 needs recapping the millisecond you get them because the smd electrolytic have all basically failed by now, same with the amiga600 on the computer side of things. All depends on what it is, stuff like dreamcasts probably won't need recapping at all, they're not known to fail from capacitor failure.
>go on a forum and talk about your monitor/console is because you're experiencing problems and the solution is often recapping.
in most cases it is honestly, not to say you should recap everything for the sake of recapping, recapping a cd unit for example means it needs to be re-aligned with a scope and they usually never fail anyway, it's always the laser.

[Anonymous No.7089565]

>>7089550
You don't have to go that far back. Xbox has a suicide capacitor for the clock.

[Anonymous No.7089574]

>>7089565
That's not a recap case though, that's a rip it out the fucking motherboard before it destroy the traces under it and makes the console a paperweight.

[Anonymous No.7089612]

>>7089574
Some people recap i though.

[Anonymous No.7089957]

Has this picture been posted here before? Someone said they saw it on /vr/ and I figured this would probably be the place it would have been posted.

[Anonymous No.7089967]

>>7089957
>>7086234

[Anonymous No.7089981]

>>7089967
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.7090039]

>>7089957
That's that fat loser that lives with his grandma, preordered Mario 3d all stars, and went bald in his 20s.

[Anonymous No.7090079]

>>7090039
I don’t live with my grandma and I went bald far before my 20s

[Anonymous No.7090098]

>>7090079
Why did you paint your wooden floors?

[Anonymous No.7090108]

>>7090039
>and went bald in his 20s.
I have a full head of hair at 35 (tiny bit going off one side), but I think using that as an insult is really low. It's something he can't help. If you were talking about someone you found a chad and he went bald in his 20s what are you going to say. It's not like he chose to go bald.

[Anonymous No.7090171]

>>7090098
My dad painted them like that many years ago. I don’t really mind it. He built the place anyway.
>>7090108
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.7090176]

>>7090108
I went bald as fuck by my mid-late 20s and I find that shit hilarious. Can't do fuck all about it that doesn't look worse than being bald so just roll with it

[Anonymous No.7090353]

Just got done setting up my Zenith Space Command in my new place just yesterday

[Anonymous No.7090365]

>>7090353
Next step is to buy a copy of taboo or Debbie does Dallas on vhs and try to jack off very quickly standing directly in front of the screen while your fat wife showers.

[Anonymous No.7090474]

>>7087842
I've seen that vid around. Could be something to do with the timing, like the way a lightgun works.

[Anonymous No.7090521]

>>7085916
Not a record though, someone paid USD10k for that NiB D32 in NY last year, didn't they?

[Anonymous No.7090621]

>>7085916
>biggest most expensive CRT
>>7086131
>$40k
Nope, this most the most expensive and biggest 16x9 hi def tube the HDM-3830 HiVision monitor. It cost around $100000 in 1989-early 90s dollars and was one of the early HiVision reference displays.

I'm using a pic of it opened up just to show how complex these are - look at the number of cards and backplanes stuffed into it. Weight over 400 pounds.

[Anonymous No.7090628]

>>7090621
Haha I got one of these for free at a yard sale. Yall shoulda got one when nobody wanted them.

[Anonymous No.7090656]

You guys ever rip ass into the vents of your crt?

[Anonymous No.7090669]

>>7090656
IDK, sounds like you have though

[Anonymous No.7090686]

>>7090628
same, the old boomer didn't know what he had and gave me a 40" pvm for free. Can't get them like that anymore!

[Anonymous No.7090721]

>>7090656
Post a vid

[Anonymous No.7090739]

>>7090669
To maintain the methane levels for the capacitors.

[Anonymous No.7090746]

>>7090739
Brapacitors or ripassitors?

[Anonymous No.7090812]

[Anonymous No.7090816]

[Anonymous No.7090827]

>>7089442
I think in the early 2000s there was a plague of bad capacitors so a lot of electronics built in that window could have been hit. It's still not wise to recommend a recap just for shits and giggles but that might be where the advice stems from.

[Anonymous No.7090843]

>>7090816
you might have your sharpness up too high, I can see some haloing

[Anonymous No.7090862]

I've bought recently an old CRT with only a SCART output. I want to connect it via VGA to an old PC that I have but while looking for some kind of adaptor on the Internet, and specifically on amazon, the converters, didn't look very good and the reviews were almost "Do not buy it".

Any help? Where can I find what I need? Do I really need a SCART-VGA converter or are there any other ways?

P.S.: The PC doesn't have an HDMI port, so don't say a SCART-HDMI converter.

[Anonymous No.7090876]

>>7090862
vga outputs rgb hsync vysync, scart takes rgb 'composite' sync. You need a cable that combines the sync, or a way to send csync on the hsync wire from the computer.

[Anonymous No.7090921]

>>7089957
whos the fat piece of shit in the mirror?

[Anonymous No.7090930]

>>7090921
fuck you dude. for real. fuck you.

[Anonymous No.7090931]

>>7090686
>Can't get them like that anymore!
"I KNOW WHAT I HAVE AND WON'T ACCEPT ANY OFFERS!"

[Anonymous No.7090952]

>>7090862
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/scart.htm

[Anonymous No.7090969]

>>7090930
Oh I kid anon, I kid

[Anonymous No.7091037]

Anyone good with geometry adjustment?

Things on the right side of my screen are ever so slightly wider than the left. As in a perfect circle on the right would be ever so slightly too thin on the left. It's not a big difference but just enough to be hard to unnotice once you do. I don't believe there's any service menu adjustments that can account for horizontal linearity. Is this something a yoke adjustment could fix? Like if I tilted it slightly in the direction of the thinner side?

[Anonymous No.7091097]

>>7091037
What model?

[Anonymous No.7091225]

>>7088484
SED and FED were better prospects than both OLED and MicroLED

[Anonymous No.7091271]

>>7091097
bvm d20f1u

[Anonymous No.7091312]

>>7091271
>bvm d20f1u
https://cdn.retrorgb.com/assets/monitormanual/Sony_BVMD24E1WU_ServiceManual.pdf

[Linearity Adjustment] .................... 3-7

[Anonymous No.7091448]

>>7091225
How so?

[Anonymous No.7092184]

>>7091448
crt recommendations for ps2

[Anonymous No.7092280]

>>7089442
>Who says you MUST replace caps
Literally anyone on reddit, 4chan, etc who's not an EE. Which is figuratively literally is everyone.

[Anonymous No.7092367]

Hello, need help with pvm trouble shooting:

I have a PVM-1442Q and just bought a used super famicom both off yahoo auction here in Japan. I am having this trouble that i don't know what the exact issue is. the image shows up for only a second and then goes to this flickered state: if someone could please help me to understand whats wrong:
here is video of the issue with Mother2:https://streamable.com/du6pkr
and then flickering afterwords:https://streamable.com/9gntyy
I have a PS2 with the SCART21 RGB cable that works fine ( evidence:https://streamable.com/3bucwf)) just this new SFC and the SCART cable I bought, for some reason the image nor sound seem to be working
https://imgur.com/PquZUbT image of cabling
https://imgur.com/Z0FoXQp image of inputs

[Anonymous No.7092832]

I feel like making a post for this would be retarded, so I'm asking here.
I just picked up a first edition PSX and I don't remember it making a lot of noise while reading a disc, but I had a revision. So, does the revision make less noise?
To clarify, by first edition I mean the menu is squares and the revision has the more known blue menu.
I'm talking about the PSX only, and not the PSone.

[Anonymous No.7092894]

>>7092367
lol thanks for the chuckle

[Anonymous No.7092932]

>>7090862
This one works fine. 99% of the time you can just tie Hsync and Vsync together after a pair of 1k resistors to get a suitable Composite Sync signal. So all you need is few resistors.

[Anonymous No.7093021]

>>7092367
wow, he's got 3 way audio

[Anonymous No.7093058]

>>7093021
>>7092367
>rgb
>red
>gold
>blanco

[Anonymous No.7093081]

>>7093058
Thanks, legit had a good laugh!

[Anonymous No.7093091]

What's the difference between H Phase and H Center?

[Anonymous No.7093098]

>>7092367
Just as the developers intended.

[Anonymous No.7093387]

>>7092367
I can see some issues:
1) Are you trying to use JP21-cable in RGB-inputs but with Scart wiring?
2) Your Scart-cable is for PAL and sync-line is wired wrong. You'll soon short your sync-input in PVM with 12v.
Check your console and wiring in your cable, high chance that you need to rewire sync-pin.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm#snes

[Anonymous No.7093598]

Glad to provide laughter from my newness haha

>>7093387
Hey thanks, it’s looking like I fucked up and bought the RGB21 cable which is how it was listed online, I guess that means it’s the JP21? I’m a bit confused cause I thought that SCART was European vs the 21 pin being Japanese, and all my hardware is Japanese I’m pretty sure. I’ll refrain from touching it till I’ve done more research, if stuff might break, luckily I got all this shit really cheap.

[Anonymous No.7093680]

>>7093598
SCART is the connector type which has 21 pins, which both euroSCART and jp21 use. They mostly send the same information, just on different pins. The hardware doesn't actually matter, since the two cables pull the same information, the wires just go to different pins

[Anonymous No.7093682]

Sony Trinitron KV-29X2E running Gate of Thunder on Wii's WiiMednafen emulator while using the double strike mode.

[Anonymous No.7093771]

Just got my new setup all finished. All my other consoles are in the top drawers with their scart cables attached, all the power connections plugged into a surge protector in the back, and all the games in the bottom drawers

[Anonymous No.7093803]

>>7067048
The Lord has blessed you with tubes. Rejoice and give thanks!

[Anonymous No.7093805]

>>7093680
So am I correct in understanding the solution wouldn’t be buying a different cable but rather rewiring the current cable?

[Anonymous No.7093806]

>>7076940
Game?

[Anonymous No.7093819]

>>7090628
>>7090686
Pics or didn't happen

[Anonymous No.7093827]

>>7093771
looks great - PVM-2520 or 2730?

>>7093682
looks ass, or the photo does, at least.

[Anonymous No.7093830]

>>7090862
>>7090876
>>7090952
>>7092932
Which is all fine, but you need to get 15kHz out of your PC first.

[Anonymous No.7093845]

>>7093827
2530, I'm getting worried about it though, the screen shakes and scrambles when you tap/hit the side of the monitor. Didn't used to be so touchy.

[Anonymous No.7093846]

>>7093806
Snatcher
>>7093827
Yeh the phone's camera is pretty shit, but this one's better https://i.imgur.com/EqiBIwp.jpeg

[Anonymous No.7093876]

>>7093846
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.7093892]

>>7093845
Sounds like a bad connection. If it gets to the point that you can't play games you could always open up the monitor and check cables and for dry solder joints.