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Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 01:55:37 No.7052710 [Reply] [Original]

Can anyone redpill me on Mister/FPGA emulation? Specifically for use via analogue through a CRT? How does it compare to real hardware and software emulation in terms of accuracy and input delay?

I'm mostly interested because of the neo geo capabilities because fuck if I can afford to get into the neo geo, but if it''s truly almost identical to real hardware (especially in terms of input delay) then I'm curious how much I can do with it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 03:31:20 No.7052798 latency is supposedly the same as real hardware. neo geo is a "work in progress" core, so it's not 100% right.

Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 08:04:28 No.7053104

It's very comfy, anon.
I flip a switch which turns my Mister and CRT on. Controller is alresdy hooked up. Navigate to NES core, load it up. Press select for recent titles, and go. Want another game instant switching. Wanna play some Gameboy? TG16? Master System? It's all here.
It also relaly benefits from the network effect. It gets better the more people use it (brings in more potential programmers, more coverage, they find potential glitches, that get fixed easily.)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 08:06:42 No.7053110 >>7052710 It's not emulation.

Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 08:07:36 No.7053112

>>7053104
It's also the easiest way to play your retro vidya with a modern, quality arcade stick because the MiSter supports so many controllers, it's insane.
Been playing all kinds of shmups including Aero Wing 3 and a bunch of SNES and even TG16 ones. Genesis also has some baller shmups.
I might make a nice video on it soon (as an entry red pill for people) if you see a new MiSter vid on a small channel within the next few weeks remember me.

>>	dreamcast mini Wed, Nov 4, 2020 08:35:24 No.7053136 >>7052710 Heres a real redpill for you, anything newer than neo-geo probably won't happen for a very long time in an accurate way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsHwi4M4xE

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 09:40:14 No.7053216 >>7053110 Yea its more like loading an everdrive sd card on a console.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 13:51:52 No.7053550 File: 99 KB, 641x800, Gee Mister.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7052710 Gee Mister, there's no redpill with this device because it's a waste of money. >FPGA Faggotry Pedophilia Gay Activator? Ewww.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 13:54:07 No.7053556 >>7052710 if you want to use your old tv just get a pc and a Extron VSC 500

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 13:56:13 No.7053560 >>7053556 I'm using a BVM. I usually just emulate but have been finding input delay to be an issue so I started using real hardware. But then I saw how expensive the neo geo scene is

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 14:12:15 No.7053580 Why do you faglords never offer advice, just shit on opinions you hate?

Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 14:26:44 No.7053602

>>7052710
If you have disposable income, it's a neat option.
However, if you're on a budget and have a decent PC already, you can always try retroarch and the run-ahead settings that reduce lag to even below actual hardware levels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_emulation

Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 14:43:23 No.7053627

Generally speaking, it's the lowest effort option for half-decent emulation on a CRT.

But it's not great in terms of price. It's cheaper to just get a 15khz output from a PC, but then you have to deal with all the hassle that comes with it, especially if you're using your main rig, or your spare rig isn't new enough to use run-ahead.

My rating would probably be:
PC (15khz) > MiSTer > PC (30khz) > PC (shaders) > Pi > Wii.

I think FPGA is going to be crazy in a couple of years, but right now it's a tough sell, given the lack of systems. But who knows when we're going to get a consumer level FPGA chip with more power than the DE-10 at that price point?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 14:53:33 No.7053649 >>7053110 Of course it is

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 15:24:42 No.7053710 >>7053560 No run ahead emulation for Neo Geo yet?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 15:50:06 No.7053781 >>7053580 Because that's the entire point of this thread. It's why the exact same OP keeps posting it over and over again.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 16:50:35 No.7053921 >>7053781 ??? This is the first time I've asked

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 4, 2020 16:59:14 No.7053940 >>7053627 What exactly are 15khz and 30khz monitors, and why is former better than the latter?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 05:32:07 No.7055152 >>7053940 For example, I play SNES and Mega Drive/Genesis on a 96khz monitor with a refresh rate set to 60hz. Is that bad/inaccurate?

Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 10:39:07 No.7055597

I'm not gonna shill it to anyone, I solder boards myself as a "summer project" and hone my soldering skills. Overall I'm happy how it works. Kinda bummer there is no PC-88/98 core and no save states like in everdrive. It costed me a bit more than one PRO everdrive and I have a bunch of systems and computers with minimal lag, option to connect real controllers and easy way to connect it to modern display and crt.

Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 10:51:12 No.7055619

>>7055597
Someone is working on an 88 core right now, not sure when it'll come out. Surprisingly there's a PS1 core in dev too which I wasn't aware was even possible on current FPGA tech:

https://twitter.com/Laxer3A

we'll see if it actually comes to fruition

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 10:56:04 No.7055631 >>7053550 Based and /thread.

Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 21:25:32 No.7056773
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>>7052710
>Get told MiSTer is fucking amazing and better than software emulation
>Most cores are no better than existing software-based emulators and aren't even working with die shots for reference
>No save states for nearly all of them
It sucks

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 21:53:16 No.7056810 >>7056773 don't forget there's no run ahead or shaders as well it's literally a scam for brainlets

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 22:22:16 No.7056856 >>7056810 Why would you need a runahead on a system which does not suffer from OS-related latency? And it actually has shaders too.

Anonymous Thu, Nov 5, 2020 22:47:58 No.7056892

>>7056773
Makes you wish that Kevtris guy ported his cores to the MiSTer but he's in Analouge's pocket and the majority of core authors don't come anywhere close to his level of engineering wizardry. Maybe Jotego and Furrtek but that's about it.
Unless you wanna just play their arcade & NeoGeo cores, you're probably better off putting the money that would fund a beefy MiSTer setup into a decent x86-based RA/Lakka pc for the living room. I can't think of any other benefit to MiSTer right now unless you want a piss-easy way to have en emulation* box hooked up to a CRT.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 01:02:20 No.7057098 >>7053940 15kHz: 240p, 480i 31kHz: 480p

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 01:05:49 No.7057106 >>7052710 >analogue through a CRT impossible all documentation related to producing an analogue NTSC-compatible video signal has been lost to the riots, nobody knows how to do it anymore

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 02:11:53 No.7057208 File: 12 KB, 220x165, 220px-Leopard_2_A7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7057098 "tank" you

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 02:15:20 No.7057214 >>7056773 You're a fucking moron rofl

Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 05:42:20 No.7057454

>>7056773
>Most cores are no better than existing software-based emulators
Wrong
>and aren't even working with die shots for reference
Wrong
>No save states for nearly all of them
True
>>7056810
>don't forget there's no run ahead
Not needed
>or shaders as well
It does have "shaders" and filters

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 15:09:26 No.7058386 >>7053649 >Of course it is if you think FGPA cores are emulation you literally don't know what emulation means.

Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 15:13:25 No.7058392

>>7058386
FPGA cores are generally emulation, it's actually pretty fucking difficult to fully remap a chip, and it's pretty easy to go with an approximation or something that works for 99% of cases. Sure, ideally, FPGAs are essentially 1:1 recreations of a chip for all intents and purposes, but that's generally not the case.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 15:25:13 No.7058417 >>7052710 I'd rather play Sega CD games on a MiSTer than real hardware. It's a really good open source project that's so accurate that if you really want to you can play Light Gun Games on a CRT with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 15:26:15 No.7058419 >>7053550 Fucking Queer >>7056773

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 17:06:11 No.7058645 >>7056773 do people really use save states?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 6, 2020 22:27:33 No.7059292 >>7057454 evidence says the opposite https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=147&start=75

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 03:16:12 No.7059698 >>7052710 >because fuck if I can afford to get into the neo geo You can get a flashcart for it. Sure, it's expensive, but it's a one time purchase for all the games.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 09:58:39 No.7060276

>>7057454
>>7058417
This is your Mister Sega CD core
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/support/megacd/megacdd.cpp#L442

Oh, look, it's a blind copy of this code:
https://github.com/libretro/Genesis-Plus-GX/blob/master/core/cd_hw/cdd.c#L1896

Yeah... so much more accurate than software emulators... 1:1 hardware replica :-/

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 16:09:00 No.7060972 >>7060276 You're a fucking moron lol

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 16:39:09 No.7061040 >>7058419 >fucking queer Yes, you certainly are.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 16:46:39 No.7061059
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>>7058392
This^
is why I'm sticking to original hardware and emulation via PC;etc. If the choice is to buy original hardware or use software to emulate, I'll just do those instead of buying more hardware to just software emulate a teeny bit better.
t. anon who's trying to beat Gamer mode on U.N. Squadron without using a continue on a modded Wii using snes9xRx

Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 17:37:03 No.7061175

>>7052710
It's pretty BASED desu. Great for neo geo plus you get a lot of other systems that work really well. It's quite nice playing gameboy stuff on a big screen too. You won't notice a difference in this and real neo geo hardware, and you get all the games.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 17:58:15 No.7061238 >>7061175 I hate how the analog video output for the Neo Geo core is wider than the rest of cores. I wish they had built in screen width options.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 20:28:53 No.7061593 >>7061175 >You won't notice a difference in this and real neo geo hardware, and you get all the games. So just like my PC, and I already paid for it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 20:35:12 No.7061605 >>7061593 >one argument

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 7, 2020 20:39:51 No.7061616 >>7061605 Yeah, that's all it took.

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