/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.702534]

I always heard about old rpg`s on the ps1 era, but I never got around to playing them (Poorfag) So recently I went on with xenogears, I had stopped at first just at the start due to university and personal stuff, but then I remembered and went back.

I gotta say Im surprized at the game for most of its content, althought Disc 2 is lacking in some big stuff, but still, I cant help but say its become one of my favs of all the game`s I`ve played and many could learn from its ways

So, what do you think?

Im gonna make someone paint that crap on my room wall sometime soon, its so fucking awesome.

[Anonymous No.702543]

definitely one of my all time favorite games, and one of the few RPGs I honestly feel needs a real remake.

[Anonymous No.702559]

Great game with a great staff. With enough quality fans to pump out great artwork.

[Anonymous No.702564]

Well, I enjoyed xenogears, but it tried to cover way too many topics and then them losing their funding for disc 2 didn't help either. Chair sim 2012 wasn't all that enjoyable. What it did manage to discuss in full was pretty great.

the soylent green thing in the factory was a bit ham though. I can't help but feel it was meant to be a joke but somewhere in translation it got turned into serious.

I can only imagine what was supposed to be. episodes 1&2 could have been great games.

If you haven't read it, or at least skimmed through it, perfect works is definitely worth looking for. It really goes into detail where they couldn't in the game.

[Anonymous No.702571]

>>702559
Do you want the power?

[Anonymous No.702572]

Awesome game. The only people who hate on it hate on it for the wrong reasons.

Complaining that it was rushed as fuck and literally 1/3rd of the game is incomplete is valid

But most people just trash on it because they're embarassed they thought things were awesome when they were kids, and think the secret to being cool and adult is acting like you don't give a shit about anything. PFF LOOK AT ME TURNING MY NOSE UP AT THIS PRETENTIOUS BULLSHIT LOL YOU KILL GOD JAPAN IS SUCH SHIT

Better a bunch of crazy over the top mysticism and "pretentiousness" than the same tepid warmed-over lowest common denominator crap we've got out of videogames for the last 10 years.

[Anonymous No.702581]

>>702564
I laughed at that scene. Good times!!

[Anonymous No.702590]

>>702572
quality post, brother!!

[Anonymous No.702640]

>>702564
Well episode one at least for what I think could have show the side of kain, and the rise of solaris as well as more depth to the council before they were turned to an AI ?

I did just download it now, going to spend a while checking it.

Loving the fan-art as well more?

[Anonymous No.702645]

>>702640
There will always be more.

[Anonymous No.702648]

>>702543
A proper disc 2 is the only thing it truly needs.

[Anonymous No.702654]

>>702648
True

[Anonymous No.702659]

I prefer disc 2 the way it is.

[Anonymous No.702671]

>>702659
Of course, we've played it and it wasn't bad, but I mean, just imagine what it COULD have been with sufficient funding. It could have been just as expansive as disc 1 with just as much stuff. I mean, the beginning of disc 2 where there's like 5 "bosses" in a row with just a few textboxes in between could have definitely had some better buildup.

[Anonymous No.702693]

>>702659
>>702671
Good points.

[Anonymous No.702695]

>>702648
Yeah that would be great

Still if a remake ever gets done (Which I doubt anytime soon in our plane of existence) I`d give my monies for it

[Anonymous No.702704]

>>702695
all of my monies

[Anonymous No.702767]

I was really disappointed when Xenosaga was hyped up as the prequels Perfect Works foretold, and then we got....you know, Xenosaga

Was Xenoblade Chronicles really a worthy successor?

[Anonymous No.702774]

>>702767

Xenoblade's got nothing to do with Saga/Gears, and it's about as far away from them in style as you can get.

[Anonymous No.702796]

>>702704
Signle piece swimsuit?

>Fuckyes

Needs more ass though.

Just going trough PW I liked one art, I think I could have this one painted too not too big anyhow not enough money to buy stuff for it.

You guys want to see it after its done?

[Anonymous No.702797]

>>702767
Xenosaga rustled my jimmies, Only a few of the characters were related to Gears and the mecha design wasn't my cup of tea, 2/10 will never rent again

[Anonymous No.702812]

...hey. Catch!

[Anonymous No.702837]

>>702797
I havent played xenosaga either (Same reason as this basically) Is it not worth it at all, at least as a somewhat spiritual succesor?

>>702812
I frigging loved that part, and I somehow knew it was gonna happen the moment they did that.

[Anonymous No.702845]

I really liked the dungeons they had going in disc 1

>tfw Tower of Babel jumping
>tfw Kislev Sewers

It's got a pretty damn good OST too.

Fuck, I should replay it one of these days.

[Anonymous No.702863]

>>702837
Literally the only thing I can reccomend Xenosaga 1 for is the Yasunori Mitsuda music

and it's not his best work

and he leaves after the first one

The games just feel...pointless. They're sparse and empty and meandering, and not in the good exploratory way because they're extremely linear too

[Anonymous No.702882]

>>702837

Yes, it's worth it. Saga is a rewrite of the layout of Perfect Works. Or rather, it was intended to be. In the end, the three Xenosaga games we got are the equivalent of Perfect Works' Episode 1.

[Anonymous No.702884]

Worst part was sidequests like duneman isle that rewarded you with ultimate weapons to be used on foot when the entire endgame scenario is in gears

[Anonymous No.702926]

>>702863
Well I think I can at least give it a go when I get my ps2 back

>>702882
And there`s nothing more right? Kinda sucks that these games are left forgotten for not being profitable enough. I do wonder how they`d make the last episode too, and the release order..

>>702884
I actually got lost there, and went from level 70 to 80 fighting those fucking dragons, managed to get the items with a walktrough though was getting desperate.

[Anonymous No.702935]

If only you can feel THE POWER of the dark side.

[Anonymous No.702945]

>>702534
What robot is this? Something from Xenogears?

If so then I completely see the need for both a remake and an OVA.

[Anonymous No.702952]

>>702945
and several model kits. That is all.

[Anonymous No.702961]

>>702882
Saga was SUPPOSED to be that, except it fucked it all up and went completely retarded

You thought Xenogears was unsubtle? They at least had things *based on* gnosis and kaballah.

Xenosaga makes Mary Magdalene an actual character and ties everything back to the historical Christ on earth. It feels awkward as hell.

[Anonymous No.702975]

>>702945
Its welltall on its ID form, the main character`s gear, although you never use it in this shape or color

[Anonymous No.702978]

Mech combat sucked and regular combat was just passable because of sweet kung fu. Shit Citan you can't into Iai, go back to your mirage palm strikes.

Not a awful game, but really overrated.

[Anonymous No.702982]

>>702961

It IS that. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you get to deny any relation between it and Xenogears.

[Anonymous No.702990]

>>702945
ID Weltal. I'd kill for a model kit.

[Anonymous No.703002]

>>702975
Not entirely true (see disk 2). You get a version of it.

[Anonymous No.703020]

psst everyone

it's Id

Uppercase I, lowercase d

not ID or I.D., it does not stand for identity, Id is a term from Freud that basically means the subconscious, specifically the animalistic subconscious that only wants very base things

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego

Also remember that even though people think the two are the same, Evangelion is a series full of religious namedropping and symbolism that is actually more about psychological existentialism, wheras Xenogears is a game full of psychological namedropping and symbolism that is actually more about religion and theology

[Anonymous No.703035]

>>703002
Well you have the welltall 2 with the system ID, and Xenogears which is another version, but you never control "that" one

[Anonymous No.703046]

http://www.tomopop.com/this-custom-weltall-id-is-ready-to-mess-up-your-day--29504.phtml

here's a custom ID Weltall made from two Gundam AGE models and some custom plastic work.

Maybe if you beg him you can have one made for lodesmoneh

[Anonymous No.703048]

>>703020
Ok, we here ya Captain Trivia!

[Anonymous No.703051]

>>702982
Fine, let me rephrase

It's a canon sequel but it's bad and I don't like it and I would reccomend others not bother with it

[Anonymous No.703053]

>>703035
...we never get what we really want.

[Anonymous No.703059]

>>703051
I'm with this guy.

[Anonymous No.703058]

>>703053
Speaking of things that will never be...

[Anonymous No.703145]

>>703020
>Evangelion is a series full of religious namedropping and symbolism that is actually more about psychological existentialism, wheras Xenogears is a game full of psychological namedropping and symbolism that is actually more about religion and theology

That's an excellent way to put it.

[Anonymous No.703156]

>>703053
Yeah shamefully I was expecting we could use it at least for a single battle or something instead of getting raped by it when it showed up aside from the last encounter.

Also was I the only one that laughed during the whole asembly of gears with the elements? It was so power ranger-esque I couldn`t avoid it.

[Anonymous No.703167]

>>703145
I like analyzing things

I get a lot of anons complimenting my posts here, sometimes I wonder if I should get a trip but all the trips I know off the top of my head are annoying attention whores...

[Anonymous No.703182]

>>703167
Dont do it, we`ll recognize you anyway without that trip

[Anonymous No.703203]

>>703182
maybe I should put a name on with no trip just when I'm feeling analytical

I can be the analytical anon or something

my name witll be....ANALANON

wait god damn nevermind

[Anonymous No.703218]

>>703203
That could work too I guess.

Well since I finished this up, what game should I get now? I was thinking of trying Alundra, or replaying legend of legaia (I think thats the name)

[Anonymous No.703221]

>>703156
I though it was more like Voltron (am I showing my age?) But it did get a rise out of me.

[Anonymous No.703248]

>>703221
Fuck, I had totally forgot about voltron, the name sounded familiar but shit, that was a blast from the past literally

[Anonymous No.703273]

>>703248
We are Chu's of the same fuzz

[Anonymous No.703281]

>>703273
>Dat Id chu-chu

So, any recommendations on any old rpgs that are good? from that era or ps2 I need to catch up a lot while I got time

[Anonymous No.703329]

>>703273
>Ramsus Chu-Chu
>in the fucking underwear

oh god

[Anonymous No.703347]

>>703329
Why am I laughing at this so much?

[Anonymous No.703368]

>>703347
Because western censorship

[Anonymous No.703402]

>>703368
Holy shit that looks terrific, where did you get it, theres more?

[Anonymous No.703607]

I love Xenogears but the last thing it needs is a remake; it would be ruined. You can't fix what isn't broken.

[Anonymous No.703617]

[Anonymous No.703620]

[Anonymous No.703624]

You are now hearing June Mermaid.

[Anonymous No.703807]

Xenosaga... what an unmitigated disaster.

It was like the JRPG genre's Battle of Manzikert.

[Anonymous No.704515]

>>703624

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmO_H4sPjJI

Man why cant Rpg`s now have this sorta thing? Everything sounds as such shitty pop, gotta put this ending theme side with chrono cross on my fav. List

[Anonymous No.704552]

>>702534

Been such a long time since I played it. Let's see what I remember:

- Loved the story
- hated some Mecha fights because I remember some being very hard and "unfair"
- loved the regular combat more than the mechas
- story was fucked up but so good
- Hated the fucking last dungeon...seriously, I forced myself to finish that shit. I recall the final boss also being difficult
- 2nd disc was weird yeah, def. ran out of time and money but whatever.
- story had some heavy stuff...fuck...
- amazing music
- I actually liked the Prison parts

Oh and when I bought this pirated once in Turkey, it had only 1 Disc and it crashed during the first 2 hours... gave it back and got something else instead.
Didn't finish it until a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.704635]

>>704552

Yeah I loved the story too

>Some mecha fighs were very hard and unfair

Yeah, a few were actually a pain in the ass I had to redo a lot of things or grind a lot, or do the battle a few times

I loved the story
>Feels.jpg

The last dungeon was a pain in the ass, I was going around it for 3 days before I finally made it to the last part

The music is one of the best of its time IMO.

[Anonymous No.704685]

>>704635

Good, so I am not the only one who hated those parts...

[Anonymous No.704831]

>>703807
are you serious? Xenosaga is the best RPG to come out in a long time, let me guess your a fan of FFXIII

[Anonymous No.704837]

>>704831
sorry meant "Xenoblade"

[Anonymous No.704859]

I think Xenogears is a fucking mess. I was impressed as a 13 year old, but now I can't help but laugh at it's themes and it's writing and it's characters and it's shitty tall robots.

And gameplay is sparse on disc one and entirely disappears on disc 2. The whole experience is story-driven, yet the story is childish and overwritten.

I can't take the game seriously.

[Anonymous No.704906]

>>704552
Ok, I have to ask; what show is that screenshot from?

[Anonymous No.704914]

I always thought that the name Welltall was retarded.

I see it's "ヴェルトール", Verutaru. Isn't it Werter or something? Takahashi has a German fetish. It's Werter, isn't it, the robot's called Werter.

[Anonymous No.705013]

>>704914
Well considering the translation for welltal would be something like "universe" on german, I think it serves the game`s idea and fills up his fetish of german words.

>>704685
Yeah, I gotta say one of the places I hated the most was the sargasso point, it was awful as hell could have totally avoid it, but still doesn`t let down the rest of the game.

>>704859
I can agree that disc 2 could have more content, but saying disc one is sparce on gameplay? I spended about 50 hours on it which is a lot to say for a game now, and I enjoyed it quite a lot
>Experience is story driven

Well its a Rpg, what did you expect? Thats what most of those games rely on, and Im pretty sure I wouldn`t get half of the game if I had played it as a kid with such references.

[Anonymous No.705021]

>>705013
>I can agree that disc 2 could have more content, but saying disc one is sparce on gameplay?
For a JRPG, it's ok, but for a normal game - not OK. And seeing how all it has going for it is story, said story being so silly undermines the experience.

I mean, all that shitty buildup for "god si a robat from speship xxDDD" is just fucking -- just, god fucking damn it.

[Anonymous No.705125]

>>705021

Typing it out like a retard doesn't make it bad. What exactly is wrong with a robot being the creator of life on a planet?

[Anonymous No.705153]

>>705125
>What exactly is wrong with a robot being the creator of life on a planet?
It's stupid and overused.

[Anonymous No.705161]

>>705153

How is it stupid?

[Anonymous No.705163]

>>705153
>overused
I could say the same thing about all the PS1 RPG's that had "rage against the gods" plots, but I'm not going to say that they're bad because of it.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705173]

For those of you who wish Disc 2 was expanded, consider for a moment that a lot of its content maybe did not really need an exploratory aspect and, inversely, Disc 1 had some needlessly drawn-out parts.

For example, Kislev. Though it's a colorful segment, it's more like a random assortment of things happening than it is a coherent plot. Id manifests, Fei is pushed into fighting against his wishes, Elly is conflicted, Rico's arc comes and goes, and the Gazel talk about wacky things. A lot of it just feels like superfluous information and development that is better exemplified elsewhere in the game.

On the other hand, in Disc 2, would having to play through all the Soylent Systems be all that fun? I'd liked to have had one (i.e. the "main" one), but remember that we already got a similar experience in Solaris. More Anima dungeons probably would have gotten repetitive too.

Plus, other segments just don't really seem playable, like Elly taking care of mutated people in Nisan. They would have had to make drastically different versions of all the populated areas of the game to reflect different stages of Deus' "assembly". Being able to play as Regurus for a bit would have been cool I guess, especially since they did make the battling model and everything.

Overall, I'd maybe liked to have had a Mass Driver facility, one Soylent System, the Eldridge dungeon (though Babel is sort of this already) and maybe some more towns or something on the hidden continents, but it's not as big of a deal as it seems. Oh, and playable Ramsus or at least Dominia would have been a nice bonus considering they already had most of the assets they'd need (on-foot and gear battle animations) and the story hinted at this anyway. Instead, we got MORE KISLEV GEAR BATTLING OPTIONS WOW!!!

[Anonymous No.705174]

>>705163
>I could say the same thing about all the PS1 RPG's
Yes. Does it change the stupidity of it? No.

>>705161
>How is it stupid?
What a great question. Here's your answer:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pretentious

[Anonymous No.705176]

>>705174

That's really not an answer though. How is a robot creating life pretentious in any way?

[Anonymous No.705182]

>>705173

Eldridge/Mahanon is something that would have really been awesome to see first-hand.

[Anonymous No.705183]

Man, /vr/ sure got corrupted by /v/, lately.

[Anonymous No.705194]

...I'm gonna post more fan art. Quality of this thread has dropped a bit.

[Anonymous No.705203]

>>705194

[Anonymous No.705206]

>>705203
One of my favorite part of the game

[Anonymous No.705223]

>>705206

[Anonymous No.705248]

>>705223

[Anonymous No.705249]

>>705183
its because of all the xbox threads on /v/ I went over to check it out last night and /v/ was the worst I've seen in a long long time. It seems like a lot of people are coming here to escape the bull shit over there, it's to bad they have to bring shit attitudes. Polite sage for off topic.

[Anonymous No.705256]

>>705249
I don't like polite sages. Just bump the thread for threads sake. (It be nice if you post some pics)

[Anonymous No.705287]

>>705256

[Anonymous No.705297]

>>705287

[Anonymous No.705302]

>>705297

[Anonymous No.705307]

>>705302

[Anonymous No.705313]

>>705307

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705314]

The last time I played, I made sure to make a savestate on the world map just before going to Solaris, since this is the last time you can explore all the game's areas. One of the things I never did in this game in the ~10 times I've played it is seeing what all the townspeople say at this point in the game.

So far, in Bledavik and Nisan, it's mostly dialogue reacting to Bart's succession to the throne. This poor woman has a tragically optimistic view of the current state of the world. Also, for some reason, at this point in the game, Nisan has this theme playing at 2x speed instead of its normal track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6V9UiO9X_4

Something that I find weird is the fact that if you fly around you can't seem to find Solaris, which I think should be around the center of the map where the path from all the Gates intersect. I understand why all the other continents don't appear yet (I think they are hidden by the Gate still in Solaris) but there is a small part after you destroy the 3rd Gate where Solaris actually appears in the sky, so it's not like they didn't have the graphic. Kind of a weird thing to get rustled over, I know, but otherwise their detail on the map is very good, like the land being ripped apart from the destruction of the Gates. The lighthouse is already on the map and you can even go to the first screen in it, but entrance is blocked otherwise.

[Anonymous No.705323]

>>705313

[Anonymous No.705329]

>>705314
I made sure to get every badge and win every game of 21.

[Anonymous No.705335]

>>705329

[Anonymous No.705339]

>>705335

[Anonymous No.705340]

>>705339

[Anonymous No.705347]

>>705340
A rare Elly cosplay?

[Anonymous No.705352]

>>705347
I respect all honest cosplayers.

[Anonymous No.705354]

>>705352

[Anonymous No.705359]

[Anonymous No.705360]

>>705354

[Anonymous No.705365]

>>705359
For you. For we are...MEN!! ...OF!! THE SEA!!!

[Anonymous No.705376]

>>705365

[Anonymous No.705382]

>>705376
western style?

[Anonymous No.705384]

>>705382
....moon speak.

[Anonymous No.705386]

>>705384
four chan's destiny?

[Anonymous No.705394]

>>705386
BZZZZZAAAAT!!

[Anonymous No.705395]

>>705394
A strong crew is a happy crew.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705401]

>>705365
>tfw the Captain survives

[Anonymous No.705403]

>>705395
sorry, some of these are a bit much.

[Anonymous No.705408]

>>705401
I cried when I saw that he was alive. That salty bastard!!

[Anonymous No.705425]

This thing was translated in the early 00's.
Oh, the memories (sorry, too big for 4chan).

http://i.imgur.com/YxHZzUw.jpg

[Anonymous No.705418]

>>705314
Thats a nice insight you made, I have a save state of the very start of the second disk, my file got corrupted, so I had to rely on them to keep playing or else I`d have to start all over, If I do a second playtrough I`d try and notice more details as I can, including what you said.

Also did anyone find the deathblow learning quite odd? I got all the deathblos for fei and mostly for citan but aside from theirs all the others had almost none, kinda wished it was easier to get them.

>Im saving all this fan-art.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705419]

>>705408
>What? How did I survive? Don't worry about those minor details!! If you worry about such things then kids'll hate you, just like they hate Hans, heh!

[Anonymous No.705423]

>>705408
Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children.

[Anonymous No.705435]

>>705403
I got nothing to contribute but please more if you have.

[Anonymous No.705437]

>>705425
>http://i.imgur.com/YxHZzUw.jpg
It's ok, saved for the future (but the future refused to change)

[Anonymous No.705441]

>>705435
....I'm almost done.

[Anonymous No.705451]

>>705441
She reminds me of my nieces. Watching them grow up is at the same time painful and beautiful.

[Anonymous No.705453]

>>705425
>http://i.imgur.com/YxHZzUw.jpg

Oh wow
>And you call yourself a martial artist

That had to hurt.

[Anonymous No.705456]

>>705451
Chu!?

[Anonymous No.705459]

>>705437
>Dat chrono trigger

[Anonymous No.705463]

>>705456
We've been through a lot haven't we, buddy?

[Anonymous No.705470]

>>705459
>>Powering up internally

[Anonymous No.705479]

>>705470
Undefeated!!

[Anonymous No.705480]

>>705479
Father!?

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705481]

>>705418
I have another new file saved a bit before the Stalactite Cavern, where I'm trying to gauge the "pulse" of each town by talking to literally everyone as the game progresses. It's a bit obsessive, but this game is a huge part of who I am. In Dazil and Lahan, you can get a cool feel for gear excavation and the fact that tons of people moved there to cash in. It makes me wish you could explore a couple excavation sites like the one that's shown in a sepia-toned screenshot when you're talking to Maison in the Pirates' Hideout.

Yes, Deathblow learning is quite weird since it makes you think you should be practicing the exact combos for most of the game, but later on you can't get some of the deathblows this way. I didn't find out until much later that you can learn them more efficiently by evenly distributing your unique button-presses (4 for triangle, 2 for square, 1 for X). If you grind really hard early, you can see a nice easter egg -- the Deathblow that Fei used on Calamity, Kishin (Infinity X, but it looks different as Xenogears, so it's hard to tell). It's funny how most people have probably never seen half the gear combos in the game, since there's 12 for each character, there's little incentive to get the higher ones for some characters, and 3 you can only use by equipping Deathblower1/2/3.

I'll try to post more of the best fan-art in my posts rather than my oddly stretched-out screenshots.

[Anonymous No.705484]

>>705480
....(thinking about buying perfect works)

[Anonymous No.705489]

>>705484

Pay someone competent to translate it instead. The most complete translation is so broken it hurts to read.

[Anonymous No.705502]

>>705481
Good, I'm about out of my Xenofolders. Do good anon. I feel that you love this game as much as I do. It's ok to be knit picky in a game like this. It is an RPG after all. You have my support.

[Anonymous No.705508]

>>705502

[Anonymous No.705512]

>>705508

[Anonymous No.705516]

>>705489
indeed, I'll keep an eye out for someone like that.

[Anonymous No.705523]

>>705516
I love her (as a daughter)

[Anonymous No.705525]

>>705523
Sprite accurate?

[Anonymous No.705528]

>>705525
Father!?

[Anonymous No.705532]

>>705528
Open your eyes!! It's not even that bright in here!!!

[Anonymous No.705536]

>>705532
I'm sorry, I failed you.

[Anonymous No.705539]

>>705536
CRASH!!

[Anonymous No.705545]

>>705539
A miserable pile of secrets!!!

[Anonymous No.705549]

>>705545
Id, not ID. Ya dig?

[Anonymous No.705554]

>>705549
....power.

[Anonymous No.705558]

>>705554
Nope, that's not gonna do it.

[Anonymous No.705562]

>>705558
Nanites!!

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705567]

Weird unexplained thing #95310: Each gear has a hidden weight capacity and every gear equip has weight. If you overload a gear, they lose agility.

It is detailed in this FAQ, along with other odd parameters that are never shown, such as the elemental attributes of different deathblows (gear deathblows have them too, mostly infinities).

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/199365-xenogears/faqs/58934

[Anonymous No.705568]

>>705562
my spirit in the machine is at your command.

[Anonymous No.705571]

>>705567
Guess I need to do more studying...

[Anonymous No.705573]

>>705571
NSFW!!

[Anonymous No.705582]

>>705571
NSFW!!

[Anonymous No.705590]

>>705582
The thought of an ocean of sand isn't foreign to me. I live near white sands missle range. Its a beautiful place that reminds me of Xenogears.

[Anonymous No.705598]

>>705590

[Anonymous No.705621]

>>705598
OK, I'm out! You children posses the power. It was in you all along. Now all you need to do is release it on your enemies. Burn them with your rage. Your hatred. Your sorrow. By the power of the mother of destruction may your wishes be granted.

[Anonymous No.705629]

>>705621
...I feel a warm sensation.

[Anonymous No.705648]

>play Xenogears
>love it
>start Xenosaga
>oh, it's not bad, can be boring at times
>play the first scenario
>play the second
>goddamit, there's almost no Xenogears references
>play the third scenario
>Oh, man ... is that?
>all those scenes, Fei, Elly
>CAN'T CONTAIN THE ENTHUSIASM
>clam like a retarded seal for hours

I don't even remember anything of the story but those moments, but fuck, so worth it.

[Anonymous No.705653]

>>705629
...what a sucky general.

[Anonymous No.705660]

>>705481
I actually enjoy reading things like this, havent you thought about putting them up on a blog and sorts?

Why does this game is such a part of who you are? Im really curious

[Anonymous No.705664]

>>705648
>clam

I...I meant clap.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705672]

>>705648
I played through the first one when it came out, but never played the 2nd and 3rd games. Recently, I downloaded the undubbed version of the first game and found I'd forgotten everything about the game. It's fun, but eh... I've played Xenogears so many times that Xenosaga's ideas all tend to sound like repetition of old images and themes, just shuffled around. Like Cherenkov is a little bit Fei, a little bit Ramsus, bits and pieces of other things, etc. I still want to finish it all some day, but I had to take a break.

[Anonymous No.705675]

>>705567
And always wondered about that weight thing, I thought at first it would change depending on the equipments, but never paid attention as I never saw anything noticeable really

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.705709]

>>705660
I'm glad my random musings are interesting. At one point, I tried to start a wiki that was written from the point of view from a "historian" sort of where it would list all the minute details about the world and its people, including random things gleaned from the most insignificant townsfolk and the environment, plus interpreting all the random unused lore in Perfect Works to assimilate a detailed map.

I started playing through the game again and taking a few notes here and there as well as screenshots, but I got lazy and ended up just playing the game, and I never tried to drum up support from other diehards.

My dream is that one day, people can compile an encyclopedia like this and use it as a basis for an expanded Xenogears that tries to be as faithful as possible in creating more of the world. If at all possible, it would probably be done as a 2D game, but it'd still be a ton of work.

[Anonymous No.705824]

>>705709
Well that sounds like a nice idea to be honest at least I`d check it, and I`d offer to help on that if I had more spare time on my hands, but its kinda hard thanks to working and studying.

Maybe someone in some point might create something like the chrono ressurection program of sorts? but explaining details, on a more interactive way, without it being a game on its own.

Also, how do you think the last episode would have been? Seems like you got more imagination for that than I do

[Anonymous No.705836]

>>705672
>I've played Xenogears so many times that Xenosaga's ideas all tend to sound like repetition of old images and themes, just shuffled around.

Xenosaga is a re-imagining of the Xenogears plot layout, so that's to be expected.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.706164]

>>705824
>Anger. The anger of mistreatment, and unfairness. Injustice and insult. Anger that feels like fire and desires only retribution. Frustration and hatred. Anger that enforce the goal of perfection, or there is no beauty, justice or peace. The main theme is anger. The anger of humiliation, and of imperfection. It is mankind's eternal darkness.

>This part of the story should finally see The Contact taking the humans born on the planet with him "to a new horizon" as had been suggested by Cain in Xenogears. It would also show the demise of the cosmos as described by Takahashi in Xenosaga interviews. Beyond this, the third and final arc is an enigma.

>At the very least Emeralda should get more development in this arc, since Perfect Works hints that she is still important to humanity's future, and if you imagine a future where nanotechnology as sophisticated as Emeralda can be utilized to shape the universe into anything, then the philosophical question becomes; what shape should the universe be molded into?

Source: http://xenoverse.xenotensei.com/story/part3/anger.htm

I'm not really sure if it would have been best to follow Fei again, or a survivor from the apocalypse who observes them, or have it be set many years in the future when mankind has rebuilt some and there are no more Contacts/Antitypes. It seems to suggest that the end of the series wouldn't have been pretty, but I can't imagine what the villainy would have been like. Perhaps mankind would thrive, then continue the path of destruction that was started by Zeboim by reviving its technology, since so much of it was rediscovered in Xenogears.

[Anonymous No.706210]

>>705709
dem kissin' cousins

[Anonymous No.706231]

>>705709
You sound more like a Citan Uzuki than a Great Leon to me, sir.

I appreciate your work and Citan's who I wanted to be when I played this game. Calm, confident, friendly, incredibly wise...

[Anonymous No.706412]

>>706164
I think it would have emeralda going from that point developing more humanity on herself, emotions and such.

Probably fei wouldn`t be on the main action, but rather more a secondary character in support and key as well to the whole story trough his past and discover more of his past life as kim when creating emeralda.

Im pretty glad this thread has stayed alive for such a long time, I`ll stick around in this board more often

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.707379]

Shameless bump because this thread really made my day (the people, not just looking at game art) and I could stand to reply to some other people I neglected if the thread still exists tomorrow. I won't force it, but perhaps a late-night wave of Xeno enthusiasts can keep it running. This game deserves a long thread every once in a while.

Be back tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.708032]

I would love episode 4 be made...the war 500 years before xenogears.

[Anonymous No.708251]

i haven't missed a Xenogears thread since this board was created. i posted a lot of the pictures you guys are using. i wish i could stay and chat longer but i have work every day. it's too bad considering the amount of misinformation that gets spread about the xeno games

>>708032
all the events of episodes 2-5 are given to us in-game. it would be a neat romhack if it were possible, but all the key events are already known.

>>706164
>Episode VI
>no more Contacts/Antitypes
This is true because Urobulos was broken, but due to the way things are structured, the Anima and Animus would still be around. who knows, maybe they could resemble Fei and Elly in an Episode VI

[Anonymous No.709438]

>>707379
I didn`t think this thread would have make it alive for such a long time quite happy

>>708251
Well if you got more most them please!

Maybe the key events are know, but maybe giving some more insight in playable form would be pretty good-

[Anonymous No.709904]

Never played this before, but I've played xenosaga.

What should I know beforehand? Worth getting on ps1 store? (I have a vita)

[Anonymous No.709982]

>>702534
>mfw i was playing through it but it stucks at THAT fight in disc 2

[Anonymous No.709985]

>>709982

Deus? Just keep trying, eventually it won't freeze.

[Anonymous No.710471]

>>709904
>Worth getting at the store?

Yes, it totally is, I haven`t played xenosaga, but people say this one is better, I can only say I enjoyed xenogears more than a lot of rpg`s untill now, with its flaws and everything its still quite great.

>>709982
>Deus right? Just dont attack, let him use his halving hp attack, after like 3 times use system ID with booster on and hit try not to pass many turns it gets stuck in there after his halving attacks the second time

[Anonymous No.712337]

Shameless self bump

[Anonymous No.714846]

Hi fellow anons,

I never managed to "start" Xenogears. I know "it's a masterpiece" and I'll "love it to death", but I just can't. I tried it and got bored right after the forest at the beginning (slow start I guess).

Then there's the fact that the US translation seems to have censored/dumbed down some philosophical/religious concepts from the japanese script which is a bit putting off (and apart the undub version, there's no retranslation around...).

I don't know, the game felt "empty" and I'm afraid of giving 80 hours of my life to an "empty game", waste my time grinding, etc...

Help me play it again guy, rouse my interest!

[Anonymous No.715268]

>>714846
no point in trying to force yourself to like the game.

there are more than a few things that were lost in translation. an italian romhacking group called sadNES cITy released translation tools some years ago. the tools are out there
>apart the undub version, there's no retranslation around
the undub "2.0" patch uses the official english translation as the script. nothing was retranslated.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.716139]

>>714846
>the US translation seems to have censored/dumbed down some philosophical/religious concepts from the japanese script which is a bit putting off
Don't quote me on this, but as far as I can tell, nothing is conceptually different from the original Japanese, it's just that a lot of names were altered. "The Church" is still a church, it's just called "Ethos" now. It's a poor translation, but there are worse ones out there. Mostly it's just awkward sentences and most of the time you can infer what was actually meant. It's blown out of proportion by the highlighting of sentences like "My father? You mean my dad?"

>the game felt "empty"
I'm not exactly sure what to say to this. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a new player, and I guess it would seem kind of lonely if all you'd seen was a small village and a bland forest. When you get to the next couple places, it starts to feel more populated and wide-ranging.

>waste my time grinding
No grinding is really necessary. I might be biased from knowing exactly how to approach every battle, but you shouldn't have to stop and grind. In fairness, the high encounter rate is probably what makes this true. But half the game is in gears and those are improved through purchased upgrades, not levels.

[red No.716408]

>>715268
>no point in trying to force yourself to like the game
Sorry, not implying I want to "force" myself, it's more something of a "I was rebuffed because I played one hour, but had I started Kingdom Hearts with 2, I'd have been rebuffed of the whole franchise too after the first hour" kind of thing :)

>there are more than a few things that were lost in translation
AFAIR (because this game is on my to-do list since 2004), it was all stuff going on with religion, crosses, etc...


>the undub "2.0" patch uses the official english translation as the script. nothing was retranslated.
Sorry, I meant "as close as I can get to the japanese version" =)

>>716139
>"The Church" is still a church, it's just called "Ethos" now. It's a poor translation, but there are worse ones out there.
I don't really care about "awkward sentences" actually, it's more about feeling that things were "lost in translation", like references to the church and maybe other stuff.

>When you get to the next couple places, it starts to feel more populated and wide-ranging.
Thanks. Also, how long until the game "kicks in" (I get more members, I see a real part of the plot, etc...)?

Thanks anons, maybe this'll be my next (once I get over this chore of Portrait Of Ruin ><)

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.716513]

>>716408
>how long until the game "kicks in" (I get more members, I see a real part of the plot, etc...)?
I won't lie, it's going to focus on Fei, Citan, and the next character (Bart) for a while on just the one continent. Bart's story matters, but it's going to seem like a self-contained detour for a while. The people who are really pulling the strings in this game? You're not going to see them for a while, or they won't be made out to be threats.

It's slow, deliberate, and linear, but after 10-15 hours you'll get a couple more characters after those three, and beyond that arc you'll get the ability to travel the seas, so it does begin to spread its wings. But it is like molasses out of the gate.

[Anonymous No.717718]

>>716408
>it was all stuff going on with religion, crosses, etc...
look up "xenogears: guide to translation errors".

if you're not digging the game by this point then you're really going to hate 'all the running back and forth' in nortune

[red No.718015]

>>717718
>look up "xenogears: guide to translation errors"
I love you anon.

>if you're not digging the game by this point then you're really going to hate 'all the running back and forth' in nortune
I don't mind the "running back and forth", it's just that I only arrived to that part in your picture (actually I quit after, Citan joined and Elly left) and I felt the game "empty". But now, re-reading the dialogs, it feels..."alive". Maybe I just wasn't in the right "mood" back then to fully appreciate dialogs.

[Anonymous No.718185]

Bump because it's Xenogears.

Also...

www.xgam.org

Amazing Xenogears site.

And here's some Xenogears music:

Xenogears - Shevat, the Wind is Calling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nGe_HiDFUc

[Anonymous No.718770]

Oh this is still alive!

Never thought It was, glad to see there`s people posting :)

Is there another album with remixes aside from the myth one?

[Anonymous No.718790]

>>716513
Xenogears has three "Lesser men will fall here" moments.

The first is the Kislev Sewers. That's the biggest "oh god I'M DONE WITH THIS SHIT" moment in the game you deal with for a long time.

If you survive that and keep going on, Tower of Babel and its awful jumping and mid-air random encounters will test you next.

Finally, if you can endure, you have only one more slog before the end of the game.

Disc 2.

[Anonymous No.718802]

I am fairly surprised Xenogears is as popular as it is, not lashing out, I find the gameplay far too easy and simplistic to be truly enticing. I'm able to get through every single battle just by button mashing or no real strategy put into it, not to mention those awkward platforming segments, the game has some very jarring flaws in almost every department short of the story, which falls flat in the second disc.

[Anonymous No.718876]

>>718790

>Tower of Babel and its awful jumping and mid-air random encounters will test you next.

Im laughing because this is so true, I cannot count the times I almost rage quit because of those things.

Disc two isn`t unbearable, its just not as good as It could have been on many things.

[Anonymous No.718885]

>>718790
This is really accurate.

[Anonymous No.719142]

babel tower actually has markers that hint where you should guide your jumps. the only problem is the pre-battle stutter

[Anonymous No.721929]

>>719142
Is this based on a part of the game?

[Anonymous No.721956]

>>721929
yeah

[Anonymous No.722095]

>>718802
the gameplay is shit, let's be honest. no one plays this for the gameplay.

>the game has some very jarring flaws in almost every department short of the story
the music also fits the game extremely well. the OST could use a few more tracks though. i think some songs are overused.

[Anonymous No.722168]

>>718802

How does the story fall flat in Disk 2? Disk 2 turned into nothing BUT story by making you sit and read through almost all of it.

I like Disk 2 (my opinion is biased due to my love of reading fantasy). Granted, you get very little gameplay out of it but it doesn't detract from the story aspect one bit.

[Anonymous No.723540]

>>722168
most of the major plot progression occurs during disc 2. most people hate disc 2 because they don't appreciate the way it was presented.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.725393]

>>722168
>>723540
Yeah, before the very end of Disc 1, no one without Security Clearance Delta really knows who Krelian and Miang are, Citan is perpetuating an elaborate ruse, and everyone outside of a select few is comically unaware who Id is.

[Anonymous No.725474]

>>721956
man how many RPGs did the "main character and love interest stuck on a raft" thing

Xenogears, Illusion of Gaia, Grandia...

[Anonymous No.725478]

>>725474

That was a pretty eerie scene in Illusion of Gaia

[Anonymous No.725486]

>>722168
You could argue that even though Disc 2 was nothing but story, it's still condensed. Because it's presented as Fei summarizing everything, you don't get to actually experience the plot...you're flat out told "then this happened" rather than getting to play through it and watch it occur, before being dumped into a battle.

[Anonymous No.725489]

>>725478
was that the same scene where the pig throws itself into the fire so they can eat it to survive

[Anonymous No.725491]

>>725489

No, that's way later in the game.

[Anonymous No.726858]

>"That just may be because you have someone living inside of you...
>... And he too must have liked this music a long time ago before he became a part of you..."

[Anonymous No.728307]

>>702863
Xenosaga had music? maybe my disk is fucked but I honestly dont remember any music aside from battle and the final dungeon.

[Anonymous No.728321]

>>728307

Cutscenes had music.

[Anonymous No.728356]

>>728321
oh. Yeah, and they were long enough to eat a bowl of popcorn. Meh.

[Anonymous No.730356]

>>728356
>Not enjoying popcorn and a drink while watching a delicious cut-scene

[Anonymous No.730385]

>>730356
>>mfw I played this game only at night when I've brushed my teeth and can't eat anything till after the cutscene.

[Anonymous No.730386]

>>730385