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7022139 No.7022139 [Reply] [Original]

thinking about buying a gen 6 console, which of these two is superior? which holds up the best? also, are the refurbished ones worth the money?

>> No.7022146

Xbox is a better buy

>> No.7022158

Were you not alive when these came out?

>> No.7022159

>>7022139
depends if you want to mod. xbox is better, but has way more hardware failures, so only buy one if the capacitors and such have been replaced or you plan on replacing them. while the ps2 is a worse console, the slim models are extremely hardy and will likely work for years to come. also very easy to pirate on.

>> No.7022165

>>7022139
PS2 has the bigger library and better exclusives IMO. The Fat model's are more prone to the optical drive failing though, so grab a Slim if you go PS2

>> No.7022167

The reason I ask is because it seems kinda strange not to have already formed an opinion.

>> No.7022176

>>7022139
PS2 but get both and load back ups on them. They're both cheap, have tons of great games and often make up for the others shortcomings in terms of library.

>> No.7022185

>>7022139

Buy an Xbox and emulate a PS2.

>> No.7022191

>>7022185
PS2 emulation is a joke

>> No.7022195
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7022195

>>7022165
"Fat" being relative in this case.

>> No.7022196

>>7022139
theyre cheap enough to buy both

xbox has better graphics on multiplat titles but ps2 has a fuckton more exclusives that dont suck. also online for xbox is shut down so one of its biggest selling points is gone

however, if youre willing to buy newer systems or have a decent pc, the vast majority of both console's quality games has been ported by now

>> No.7022206

>>7022165
fat modelstend to fail secondhand because ones bought in the first few years of the ps2's life were the ps2, ps1, AND the family dvd player. the ps2 slim's lazer is actually less reliable on most versions of the slim, and it can even damage discs occasionally


if you TRULY want a future proof ps2, get a fat model, an ethernet adapter, and a standard desktop internal hdd, and look up how to install free mcboot


all of these cobsoles will fail one day, but the disc drive will fail the most frequently and will fail first. minimizing your reliance on it is a good investment

>> No.7022245

>>7022191
>PS2 emulation is a joke
And the xbox emulation is an entire circus. There is probably not even a single game that runs on emulation

>> No.7022248

>>7022139
Just get both. Don't be a console war faggot. But if you want multiplats, they perform better on Xbox.

>> No.7022249

>>7022245
Luckily, there isn't a single Xbox exclusive worth playing.

Note that Chihiro doesn't count as Xbox.

>> No.7022630

If your favorite games were multiplats, Xbox had the best versions usually. But ps3 had a better library and all multiplats are perfectly playable on ps2

>> No.7022631

ps2 is the greatest console ever made

>> No.7022640

>>7022139
I thought everyone on earth had a ps2

>> No.7022641

>>7022185
This

>> No.7022752

>>7022191

I've only had one issue with a game I've ran and that was Ace Combat. Everything else might have a hiccup that you need to smooth out with one or two option changes, but everything has ran very smoothly for me. I don't know what your specs are or what you're doing, but you got something jacked up.

>> No.7022758

>>7022139
Superior would be Xbox, but the larger library goes to PS2.

>> No.7022764

>>7022249
Yeah, Xbox suffers from the same fate the Saturn does: no really good exclusives to match its oponents and some really hard architeture to emulate. Yet people complain about the lack of progress in th emulation of those two

>> No.7022776

I wanted to buy an Xbox for things like Panzer Dragoon Orta and Ninja Gaiden but I realized they actually still sell those games on the modern Xbox, albeit emulated, so might someday I'll pick up one of those cheap just to play em. It's a good decision on them to actually keep providing games at least instead of leaving them to rot in a collectors market and Xboxs with suiciding capacitors.

>> No.7022783

>>7022764
Ninja Gaiden was better than fuggen DMC3. Aside from that, you're probably right.

>> No.7023906

>>7022764
Terribly wrong.

>> No.7023912

>>7022139
Get a PS3/Xbone/WiiU while they, and their games are still dirt cheap

>> No.7023928

If you're strapped enough for cash that you have to choose between the two then keep in mind the price of games as well.
Xbox will practically require a new hard drive but once you've got that sorted the running costs for piracy are zero.
PS2 can have hard drives plugged in but for a fat model you'd need specific adapter(s) and for a slim the low game compatibility gets even lower. So your best bet is to burn discs which works on both but those have a per unit cost.

>> No.7024007

>>7022139
Get an xbox and just emulate the PS2 exclusives. The xbox emulation scene is far behind the PS2 one and the vast majority of multiplats look and run better on Xbox.
>>7022249
>>7022764
t.never owned an xbox
"it's just like a windows PC" fucked the xbox emulation scene more than a "lack of exclusives" ever did.

>> No.7024008

>>7022139
There's one question that I can't answer: it's commonly known that Xbox multiplats is better, yet we have something like GTA:SA and stuttering MGS2, but on other hand there's The Thing and Red Dead Revolver.

For SA and MGS2 we can say they were ported a lot latter, but other two were simultaneous release.
Does that mean if game was released on both at the same time then Xbox is better? Or if it was ported latter then it's a priori a bad version and miss some effects or have performance issues?

>> No.7024010

>>7024008
And where GCN falls in that?

>> No.7024014

>>7024007
>>t.never owned an xbox
I've got 3. One modded with 128mb of RAM for the sake of Virtua Cop 3.

The system is shit. Barely any games, and the few it does have are mediocre.

>> No.7024019

>>7022139
Ps2 has a better library

>> No.7024020

>>7024007
>"it's just like a windows PC" fucked the xbox emulation scene more than a "lack of exclusives" ever did.
You're retarded, I said in my post very clearly that the Xbox had a very hard architecture to emulate. Learn to read before trying to act smart.

>> No.7024030

>>7024020
You learn to read dumbass. Xbox wasn't the only 6th gen console with a hard architecture to emulate, it was the the "it's just like a windows PC" mentality that made devs waste a ton of time trying to get HLE approach working.

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>>7024014
>The system is shit. Barely any games, and the few it does have are mediocre.
It usually has the superior version of a lot of multiplat games. Pic related is basically an Xbox exclusive. The PC port was done by one guy and is chalk full of bugs. Even with fan fixes there's still a lot of broken shit and AI that basically doesn't even work.

>> No.7024041

>>7024008
A lot of games designed for the PS2 had stuff like lighting and framebuffer effects that made special use of PS2-specific hardware features like the vector units.
Often these effects got cut completely on the Xbox ports either cause they weren't possible or cause the devs were just lazy.
So while the framerate and resolution may be better on the Xbox, the rest of the graphical quality is just much much shitter in some games. Not all games mind you.

>> No.7024043

>>7024030
>Xbox wasn't the only 6th gen console with a hard architecture to emulate
I didn't even said that you fucking dumbshit, I only said the system shares those similarities with the Saturn. Hell, PS2 emu is straight shit despite being in development for longer than the Xbox's

>> No.7024065

>>7022139
On the topic of Xbox discussion, how hard is it to mod the thing? Can I run game from a harddrive? And how about the disc drive, does it fail often like the PS2 does?

>> No.7024072

>>7024065
It's pretty easy, you just need an exploitable game and an xbox to usb adapter. Then you can boot games off the HDD.

>> No.7024078

>>7024072
>you just need an exploitable game
What do you mean by this?

>> No.7024085

>>7024008
>>7024010

It's not a perfect pattern, you have to look at gameplay videos and decide for yourself.Ps2 games usually have more pronounced texture shimmering and render at weird resolutions(512*448,640*224, etc), gc games usually render at 640*448 and Xbox at 720*480.Framerate and special effects are all over the place, lighting is almost always darker on PS2.Some games like Def Jam FFNY or Spartan Total Warrior don't have bloom or some glossy map is lost on the GC.

Simpsons Hit and Run performs worse on PS2, but GC version has some lower res textures in some parts.Xbox version is the best overall.

Sonic Heroes is best on GC(it's 60fps locked , while on Xbox I think is 30fps, on ps2 it runs like shit), Need For Speed HP2 lost a lot of effects and glossy maps on GC and Xbox, but runs at slighty higher res.

Timesplitters 2 and 3 has some bump mapping on GC and Xbox,that PS2 version lacks, but there are more sparkles.Burnout games on PS2 has more particles too, but worse aliasing.

Prince of Persia TTT has higher draw distance on GC.Star Wars Bounty Hunter has some worse glossy textures on GC for whatever reason(On Jango's helmet).

Splinter Cell on ps2/gc looks much worse than the Xbox version(lack of shaders, bump maps , etc).GC version performs a bit better than ps2, but audio and FMV are compressed.

Sometimes GC versions have gba connection minigames(Harry Potter games).
Xbox has custom soundtracks(Burnout).
Ps2 has a weird eyetoy minigame in some Harry Potter games too.

Online function nowadays are all deprecated, but GC versions always lacks it(due to Nintendo's policy).


Xbox>GC>PS2, but it's not set in stone, it's all over the place, really.

>> No.7024095

>>7022139
You can play xbox games on x360 too, but some games,like Otogi, aren't compatible

>> No.7024126

>>7024065
>>7024072
>you just need an exploitable game
Not necessarily, you can use any of the following to mod an Xbox (you only need one of these)
>a normal PC with an IDE port
>a softmoddable game, a compatible USB stick and an USB-to-Xbox adapter
>couple resistors, diodes, a DB9 plug and a PC with a serial port
>a modchip and some soldering skill or a solderless adapter
There's probably something I'm missing but those are the ones that I could think of off the top of my head

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>>7024014
You just don't know homo.

>> No.7024179

>>7022158
The average age of /vr/ post rule change is like 16.

>> No.7024186
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>>7024085
>Xbox>GC>PS2, but it's not set in stone, it's all over the place, really.
Yes, that's what I meant, too.
GCN versions is the most inconsistence of all. GBA functionality is funny, but nothing major.

Most of your examples are simultaneous releases, and you name Xbox as the best versions in most. Sonic is a Sega's game, so maybe so japanese games there's some merit to checking how different versions perform.
But for games for west simultaneous Xbox/PS2 will be better on Xbox, I think.

Also, you talk Harry Potter, and check out one more example of "Xbox is best when simultaneous release (and also western)": in Azkaban there's some shader effects in Xbox versions (loot at the windows), which other two lacks.

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>>7024172
>Thief: Deadly Shadows
>Invisible War
I bet Morrowind is in there to.

>> No.7024191

>>7024014
>I've got 3. One modded with 128mb of RAM for the sake of Virtua Cop 3.
Can I play it on gamepad?

>> No.7024193

>>7024190
GOTY mode ya shitter. XD

>> No.7024210
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>>7024193
Those are all PC games that got gimped hard because Microsoft wanted them on the Xbox. Even killing the franchise in a few cases. The vast majority of those games are multiplats. I'm almost entirely convinced that picture is bait. I was interested in getting into the xbox more and even bought one to play Dark Corners of the Earth non-fucked-up edition, as well as a few other multiplats. That picture has done nothing but convince me I made a mistake.

>> No.7024213

>>7024190
kek 5th from the bottom on the right.

>> No.7024219

>>7024213
Arx Fatalis is in there to. Although I don't know if that one got gimped because it had to be on Xbox.

>> No.7024258

>>7024186
>Also, you talk Harry Potter, and check out one more example of "Xbox is best when simultaneous release (and also western)": in Azkaban there's some shader effects in Xbox versions (loot at the windows), which other two lacks.

That's a good guideline, most of time it's true.
If I recall correctly the first game(Chamber of Secrets) was really different on the ps2 compared to GC/Xbox.These were not developed at the same time though and by different teams.
Ps2 version is bit more catoony, the other ones are kinda like a "remake", but not completely overhauled.

I guess western devs were more familiar with Xbox's architeture, since it was closer to a PC at the time.

A lot of japanese devs barely used shaders, normal mapping and shit like even on the 7th gen.
Hence the "it looks like a ps2 game" used to describe low budget ps3/360 games like Neptunia and Gust games.

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>>7024258
The PS2 version actually has way more vibrant colors. Almost makes me want to get the PS1, PS2 and Xbox version but for some reason Harry Potter games are kinda expensive. The Xbox version might have the best graphics but the PS versions of the games seem to have way better art direction.

>> No.7024313

>>7024279
It's a bit hard to see in these compressed videos, but I guess you can always test the ISOs yourself.

One more thing: some old multiplats were completely different games under the same names.Spiderman and Spongebob were terrible on PC.Why they did that? I dunno.

>> No.7024320

>>7024313
I know Splinter Cell: Double Agent did that shit. I mentioned earlier in the thread the PC port for Dark Corners of the Earth was totally botched. I thought I was in the clear when I dropped a shitload of money on retro games back in the day, but now that I'm starting to look at differences between the ports and am getting concerned.

>> No.7024379

>>7024258
>That's a good guideline, most of time it's true.
I myself is surprised how good it sounds.
I wanted to try out that jrpg-like LotR game, but there's no "modern" comparison for it.
Got the Xbox version and now I think it sure was the best choice.

>> No.7024394

>>7024320
Yeah too bad about theses ports.

You can try looking at old reviews, but the scores can be deceiving.Castlevania Curse of Darkness is mostly the same, but Xbox version was underscored on gamespot.The reviewer said that since it was at a higher res, the game's short draw distance became more apparent.You can get a bit of money if you have the Lamment of Innocent save on the ps2 version.

Konami ports usually are a bit halfassed on Xbox.Shadow of Destiny(pretty subpar looking ps2 game btw) has some transparency removed from the jewels.

>> No.7024397

>>7024179
[citation needed]

>> No.7024419

>>7022764
>really hard architeture to emulate
No, the state of emulation is because nobody with a brain cares about the Xbox and its subpar library

>> No.7024426

>>7022139
>xbox
peak walk forward while holding the trigger to win simulators
>ps2
Peak jarpigs, shadow of the colossus, katamari, nice fighting game ports, gran turismo
I'll forever go with the ps2

>> No.7024725

>>7024426
ps2 is the king of shovelware despite also having some of the most unique and interesting titles as well. It is a russian roulette experience. Gamecube and xbox were more curated.

>> No.7024745

>>7022139
I'd have xbox if I were around back then just so I could get on the halo wave.

>> No.7024748

>>7022139
PS2

>> No.7024752

>>7022631
This

>> No.7024767

>>7024172
That's a good collection, been thinking about buying a modded xbox.

>> No.7024823

>>7024725
you could just,,,,not buy the shovelware. if youre going to say that your complaint is about back then, and that people had literally no idea what games were good and what were not, you are a child who thinks youtubers and metacritic.com were always the only resource.

gamecube i guess you could say was "more curated" but that wasnt because of nintendo not allowing any games on their platform, it was about their platform mostly being known for their first party titles.

also when you look through a list of xbox-only titles, youll see plenty of titles that were essentially exclusive shovelware because xbox wanted a huge batch of exclusives to throw at the wall and see which of them stuck. and the majority of multiplats were on xbox as well.

all consoles from that gen were fucking good, i dont know why this board has devolved into shitting on whichever one the OP doesnt like. especially now, just fucking buy them all theyre like 50 bucks a piece. if youre a kid in school most of the good shit has been ported or can be played on dolphin, theres no need for these threads. btw fuck you op youre not clever everybody can tell your thought when making this thread was "20 year old console war thread"

>> No.7024826

>>7022146
Literally no games

>> No.7024842

>>7024085
>Sonic Heroes is best on GC(it's 60fps locked , while on Xbox I think is 30fps, on ps2 it runs like shit)
Nope, Xbox also has higher-quality FMVs and supports Dolby 5.1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LIa1a-dA90
Xbox also has the best sound always due to it supporting true Dolby Surround. MS shouldn't have locked DVD-Video behind a dongle, they'd have a PS3 before PS3.

>> No.7024850

>>7024823
>especially now, just fucking buy them all theyre like 50 bucks a piece
I wish I lived in the US sometimes. My third world shithole of a country only has the PS2 as an option, all the others need to be imported at very high prices

>> No.7024860

>>7024842
xbox is also missing shaders and has a glitch that can happen when exiting the game. still good overall tho

ps2 really is busted though, physics issues with power characters bounce attacks, even more missing shaders, and a 30fps frame cap


for both of these cases i dont blame the hardware. obviously sonic team did the GC version after porting over sonic adventure. then they did pc/xbox (who suffer from the same issues) and then ps2 i guess, and only had time to finish the gamecube version.

>> No.7024863

>>7024725
I always get this argument and I don't know why you think it's a good one. Of course hacks and scammers see a successful platform and spam useless shit on it, like duh!
Is DVD a shitty format because it had Transmorfers? NO!

>> No.7024872

>>7024863
In the end it's just the ultimate cope because Sony had the ultimate console on the 5th and 6th gen

>> No.7024891

>>7024863
i see the point of your post but it took me a second. i wrote a better version

"I always see this argument and i dont know why you think its a good one. yeah, shitty publishers are gonna target the most successful platform when they make their bad games. are DVDs a terrible video format because you can buy Asylum movies like "Transmorphers" on it? fuck no"

>> No.7024940

>>7022139
Xbox is great, try getting one manufactured in November 2004 or later because they're more reliable.

PS2's are also great. I prefer the fat model because they can take hard drives but their optical drives fucking suck. Slim PS2's are way more reliable but can't use a hard drive without a crusty hard mod. USB hard drives won't work because PS2 uses shitty USB 1.0 which isn't fast enough for anything.

>> No.7024948

>>7024940
slim ps2s are less reliable actually, but if you buy either used, the ps2 is more likely to be closer to be near the end of its lifespan after being the family dvd player for a decade.

>> No.7025097
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>>7024210
Most multiplats are better on the Xbox. Most are in at least 480p. They aren't on PS2.
And don't you lie to be boy, you know you want to play the better than PS2.

Hell only way to play Doom 3 OG in on Xbox unless you got the original PC disks and a PC that actually runs it. All the ones you can get now are BFG editions.

>> No.7025108

>>7024767
It's good because games are dirt cheap for it. And component cables are made for it.

>> No.7025117

>>7024219
Naw Arx just plays like Arx the magic is hard to do. Doesn't look bad or anything.

>> No.7025129

>>7022195
He used that in reference to the PS2 slim, GayStation fanboy.

>> No.7025193

>>7025129
he said fat was relative, showing a console could get much much fatter outside of that comparison


i have never seen someone get so legitimately triggered on this board before. i would call that guy out for posting an xbox meme but you breaking out the /v/ terminology gets you no sympathy from me

>> No.7025313

>>7025117
I didn't mean it being a bad port I meant the whole game getting neutered for the Xbox. Deadly Shadows and Invisible War (and Morrowind but it's not brought up much) famously all had the core gameplay and level design gimped hard because they had to be on the Xbox.

>> No.7025367

>>7025313
What a stupid argument, I guess that means that all multiplats were gimped too because they all had to run on the PS2 so they couldn't make full use of the Xbox's far superior hardware.

>> No.7025373

>>7022206
>standard desktop internal hdd
except the original network/hdd adapter only took IDE drives ya dumb cunt

>> No.7025404

>>7025367
Whoever keeps responding to this guy please stop.

>> No.7025457

>>7025404
Your post sounded a lot more clever in your head I take it?

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>>7022139
Xbox because its a fucking nightmare to emulate compared to the other gen 6 consoles, and probably always will be.

>> No.7025751

>>7025367
It's not even an argument it's simply game history and it plagued PC games from that gen onward. Games between consoles is different than games between the PC and Xbox. It wasn't a simple graphical downgrade like the Xbox version looking prettier than the PS2. The entire games had to be designed knowing it was going to be on a console and they didn't have 2 separate versions developed side by side like Double Agent. Thief's giant labyrinth levels were tossed out because they couldn't fit on the Xbox. Invisible War is a fucking meme. Not to mention both games had to have their gameplay designed with both M+KB and a controller in mind and it shows.

AAA PC games effectively died that gen.

>> No.7025912

>>7022139
Buy an xbox. Play every single multiplat on xbox. If its not on xbox see if its on gc. If its not on gc check dc. If its not on dc then i would advise you to play it on a phat ps3. never would i recommend playing it on original ps2 hardware unless there's absolutely no other option.

>> No.7025923

>>7025751
>Thief's giant labyrinth levels were tossed out because they couldn't fit on the Xbox.
Citation needed

>> No.7026092

>>7024823
"back then" in the early 2000s the internet was still niche. Most games traveled by word of mouth. to act like that wasnt the case is just you being a contrarian. A lot of people still had dial up back when the ps2 launched. browsing the internet while fun, was also a chore.

the gamecube absolutely refused a lot of games. look it up. nintendo definitely rejected a lot of games. if you think that they didnt, you dont know as much as you pretend to.

every system has its own shovelware games if thats what you are attempting to communicate poorly. The point is that the ps2 had such a fucking overwhelming amount, it was hard to know what to try. I remember at EB games being confused as fuck looking through the ps2 games wondering what to try, because i had never heard of any of it.

And you are right, all consoles from that gen were good. THe ps2 wasnt bad at all. But its biggest strength which is its massive library was also its biggest weakness. It had a lot of awesome games the xbox and gamecube didnt have, but its worst games were leagues below what was allowed on the xbox and gamecube. That isnt a jab at the ps2 itself but it is important to understand that a lot of people got burned with ps2 games because sony let anyone make whatever they wanted it for it, which was why its library is monstrously large.

>> No.7026097

>>7024872
>ultimate console
>every fucking thin object like a weed or a branch looks like its being rendered in real time in microsoft fucking paint because of how jaggy it looks

just stop. ps2 was awesome but quit while youre ahead. the ps2 had games the other consoles missed out on, but the ugliest ps2 games were the ugliest of that generation by far.

>> No.7026101

Just get both. Neither console is expensive especially Xbox.

>> No.7026103

>>7025097
based??????

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7026124

>>7022139
Buy PlayStation 2 if you want a bigger dick.

>> No.7026142

>>7026124
gamecube*

>> No.7026156

>>7026097
>the ps2 had games the other consoles missed out on
But that was exactly the point we were making

>> No.7026167

>>7026142
people who play with the nintendo gamecube have never had sex and never will

ps2 fags have gay tranny sex

as for me.........im having to type this from between a hot latina's legs lol. xbamf all day.

>> No.7026168

>>7026167
>between a hot latina's legs
The indian crackhead you kidnapped doesn't count as latina

>> No.7026170

xbox because 480i is shit

>> No.7026639

>>7025751
AAA PC exclusive games were going to die sooner of later, unlike consoles there was no major company that had a vested interest in keeping pc games exclusive because it was an open platform. Console architectures were also becoming less and less convoluted and the console market had gotten too big to ignore, blaming Xbox for it is retarded. The architecture being closer to pc’s than the ps2 or gc turned it into a gateway for pc games on console.
>It wasn't a simple graphical downgrade like the Xbox version looking prettier than the PS2.
The only reason why multiplats on xbox only looked slightly better was because they had to run on a PS2. Xbox exclusives were technically far superior to ps2 games, something like NGB simply wouldn’t be possible on the ps2’s crappy EE.

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>>7022165
>tfw had the same Christmas PS2 since 2002 and it still hasn't failed
Every time I use it I clench my teeth but he's still going.

>> No.7026703

>>7026101
Every single retro console is at least 100, if you want one that works.

>> No.7026704

>>7025912
>never would i recommend playing it on original ps2 hardware unless there's absolutely no other option.
What makes it worse than the fat PS3 which is way more likely to have problems?

>> No.7026709

>>7026097
>but the ugliest ps2 games were the ugliest of that generation by far.
Laughs in Dreamcast, the worst looking games on that piece of shite don't even look like 6th gen games.

>> No.7026745

>>7026709
Some dreamcast games that got ps2 ports looked better on dreamcast but yeah most looked like shit. Dreamcast was dumb all around, the lack of RS and additional shoulder/face buttons would’ve severely restricted game design if the dreamcast got big.

>> No.7027020

>>7022139
both are really cheap but it just depends on what games you like and what you want out of them. there's not a lot of exclusives for the xbox but some ports (Tony Hawk 2x comes to mind) have a lot of exclusive shit unique to the xbox, and in terms of collecting xbox games are dirt cheap. xbox live's gone but there's fans that are working on a pseudo private server for it so it mite b cool

the ps2 has a lot more exclusives and still pretty cheap (some companies like square still print their old ps2 games lmao), though there are games that are stupid expensive like the silent hill games and Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT its so easy to pirate ps2 games at this point you'd be stupid not to look into it.

>> No.7027115

>>7026745
>>7026709

Not to derail the thread, but people are really forgetful on how DC games looked.DOA2 and Shenmue were outliers, the average DC looked like Zombie Revenge, Dynamite Cop,
hell even Space Channel and Grandia 2 suffered from angular polygons.Grandia 2 models didn't haven noses and mouths(maybe it's the artstyle but it's kinda weird).
Even first gen ps2 software didn't have that kind of weird modeling,Summoner is the only one I think that has this "late 90s PC game" look.
Kessen models looked way beyond DC games.Ilbleed, The ring, the Sonic Adventures, all of them had theses weird joints.(Pic related)

Illbleed was released at the same time frame that Fatal Frame.Yeah, PS2 was a jaggy mess, since it had the VRAM bottleneck.
But even early PS2 games had better models.

>> No.7027119
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>>7027115

>> No.7027123

>>7022245
there's dozens, why not look it up once in a while instead of repeating the same misinformation for years?
and even a decade ago when emulation was as bad as people think it is, some games like smashing drive and turok were playable.

>> No.7027130

>>7025097
>Hell only way to play Doom 3 OG in on Xbox unless you got the original PC disks and a PC that actually runs it. All the ones you can get now are BFG editions.
you can just pirate grandpa, and it still works on recent windows. this is not a problem for doom 3 or half-life 2 or whatever other game you think of, the original PC version is easily acquired and played.

>> No.7027137

>>7024313
games for children and casuals did that because they had to work on shitty PCs.

>> No.7027154

>>7025373
if you use an IDE hard drive scavenged from an old desktop it's easy to forget about SATA.
i haven't got the SATA replacement board or chink adapter yet because i've been content to only store 160GB of PS2 games on a drive at once.

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>>7022139

>> No.7027513

>>7027168
t.Nincel

>> No.7027620

>>7025669
Xemu works for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfJVk7DPqDc&feature=emb_title
Do you have a shit PC?

>> No.7027986

>>7027115
Visually, Grandia 2 looks like Ape Escape 1.

>> No.7028156

>>7027115
DC was genuinely behind the other 6th gen consoles. Figures since it released 1.5 years before everyone else and was tiny! But I think if Sega hadn't been bleeding money so bad we would've seen decently good-looking experiences. It'd probably be produced to late 2003-2004, because when MGS3 and SC: Chaos Theory release (which looks a generation behind on PS2, imagine a DC version lol) it would be over no matter how much cash you spill. Not many would appreciate the clear progressive scan picture quality, especially with Xbox offering that and more.

>> No.7028314

>>7022139
Chadbox > Virginstation 2

>> No.7028810

>>7026709
that is a reach if you are going to brag that the ps2 looks better than the dreamcast (which is debatable) The dreamcast is stuck between generations and doesnt fit in either one. The fact that the dreamcast released in 1998, ps2 in 2000 and the xbox / cube released in 2001 says a lot. despite that, the dc still ended up having a more reliable online somehow than the ps2 or gc despit having access to worse hardware/tech which is impressive and sad simultaneously.

>> No.7028819

>>7026156
every console in that gen had that advantage to one degree or another so its pointless to argue. i dont think there was a gen with as many exclusives as the 6th gen. So no matter what console you picked, there were a lot.

>> No.7028824

>>7026709
i prefer the cleaner simpler look of the dreamcast models that are at least smooth and crisp, to the crackling pixelated forms of whatever the fuck is going on, with a ps2. if you have a complicated scene of any sort and the colors of objects arent contrasting, its hard to even tell what you are looking at. not a problem with the other consoles.

>> No.7029241

>>7026704
Easy fix just remove the heatsinks. doesn't even require soldering. Just follow along with a video on how to do it first.

>> No.7029242

>>7026709
Dreamcast with literally the best image quality of any sixth gen console. to the ps2 with the worst image quality of any console post nes.

>> No.7029252

>>7026704
Also the obscenely bad image quality of the ps2 is why you want to avoid it at all costs.

>> No.7029396

>>7029242
Only if you had a VGA box and a TV or monitor. But Xbox running component cables I think looks better running in 480p or HD.

Cold Fear looks amazing on it.

>> No.7029404

>>7029396
Xbox games look really, really nice. Time Splitters 3 in the second mission had these interiors in the castle area where the floors had these specular shines and excellent lighting, sharp as hell textures too.

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7029589

>>7022245
>>7022249
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>> No.7029607

>>7029396
You can get a beharbros vga to hdmi box looks amzing on an hdtv

>> No.7029775

>>7029242
1. Image quality=/=graphics
2. Laughs in N64
>>7029252
3. play on an SDTV tranny

>> No.7029778

>>7027620
>v0.4
You're not helping your case here, or are you one of those brainlets who thinks once a game is "running" on an emulator its good to go with no issues?

>> No.7029805

>>7029775
1. Image quality is so much more important then the graphical capability of a system. Its easier to appreciate the unique look of a system when there isnt a layerof shit between you and the graphics.
2. the unholy combination of VRAM too small to hold a full 480p framebuffer + mipmapping broken + anti-aliasing broken (so instead developers would go batshit with post-processing or downsampling weirdness) At least on N64 mipmapping and anti-aliasing worked.
3. Even as a child playing ps2 on an sdtv i knew it looked like shit. couldn't explain why but everything had this dark dim blurry gray tint to it.

>> No.7029809

If you like the dreamcast buy an Xbox
If you don't buy a PS2