/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.700620]

What are the best turn-based retro RPGs of all time?

Pic related is my vote.

[Anonymous No.700625]

I can't agree any more.

[Anonymous No.700646]

It's a shame no one has played it.

[Anonymous No.700651]

>>700620
Earthbound, Tales of Phantasia, Breath of Fire 1 & 2, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Anonymous No.700660]

>>700651

>Earthbound

Good lord, no

[Anonymous No.700661]

>>700646

hmm, only $9 on ebay. Might have to check it out.

[Anonymous No.700665]

>>700660
don't even start this shit

[Anonymous No.700669]

>>700646
I bought this and I haven't really played it much. But for what it is, it's actually quite immersive.

[Anonymous No.700671]

>>700651
What? No. Tales of Phantasia and Star Oecan aren't even turn based. 2/10 Got me to reply. Learn to read carefully next time okay?

[Anonymous No.700673]

>>700651
>Tales of
>Chrono Trigger

He said turn-based. I know CT is vaguely turn-based, but ToS?

[Anonymous No.700675]

Ultima.

[Anonymous No.700678]

>>700669
Just wait until you get your own ship. Then you can fly around in our solar system having turn-based ship-to-ship battles and even board enemy vessels with your party.

[Anonymous No.700681]

>>700678
Holy fuck, whacking it in now.

[Anonymous No.700682]

>>700675
IV

[Anonymous No.700712]

>>700673

I would say Chrono Cross is more turn-base than CT.

[Anonymous No.700714]

FF6 is flawed as hell, I can't enjoy it.

Now FF5, that's a real perfect Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.700715]

>>700712
something being turn-based doesn't make something else not turn-based

take a logic class anon

[Anonymous No.700721]

>>700715

>implying implications

[Anonymous No.700774]

>>700678
Here's how I'm rolling, wish me luck.

I'll probably need it.

[Anonymous No.700786]

>>700646
>>700661
>>700678
>>700774

I thought I was the only person who liked this game?! It is EPIC. Best gaming on megadrive, on par with starflight

[Anonymous No.700820]

>>700660
Trust me, I love Earthbound to fucking death, but even I can agree it does not deserve the top of any list.

[Anonymous No.700830]

>>700820

>reasonable Earthbound fan

The fuck...

[Anonymous No.700839]

>>700774
Oh shit, the orderly blew u... hey look everyone, grenades! YEAH! VICTORY!

[Anonymous No.700880]

>>700660

good lord, yes

though i think i'm one of the only people that could never finish FFVI. i can appreciate it but it just wasn't my cup of tea

earthbound and chrono trigger on the other hand, ive played through a dozen times and will probably replay them again and again

[Anonymous No.700916]

Wizardry 7. FF6 has nothing on it.

[Anonymous No.701037]

CT or FFIX IMO.

[Anonymous No.701063]

If we are going only retro then SaGa Frontier, Romancing SaGa 3, and Final Fantasy Legend II.

SaGa Frontier being an open game compared to other JRPG, different races that develop different ways, no defined setting, learning skills during battle, and many more things. It is just fun to play, and you get seven stories with their own end bosses.

Romancing SaGa 3 with its formations, learning skills during battles, its non-linear and open world approach, and many characters to choose from at the start with all of their stories all happening at once until the games conclusion. Has a defined setting as a standard fantasy one.

Final Fantasy Legend II being a nice quick JRPG, and is very fun to just hop in and experiment with different parties. Seeing what combinations work well or don't work well, and which ones you do or don't like. Four different races that have their own things going on, from needing meat dropped by monsters to transform to become stronger to stats completely dependent upon equipment to learning spells randomly after battle, and the more well rounded race as well. Takes you to many worlds thus the setting continually changes and never gets old.

[Anonymous No.701068]

>>700714
>FF6 is flawed as hell

This. The game is just ultima to win. Tranny boss at the end is very underwhelming.

[Anonymous No.701070]

>>701068
What boss from V and on wards hasn't had an underwhelming fight?

[Anonymous No.701073]

>>701063
>Romancing SaGa 3

Too bad the story is so minimal that the non-linear and open world approach makes the freedom kind of pointless.

[Anonymous No.701074]

>>701068

I'm not normally one to step in to defend FF6, but you can just, you know, not use Ultima. You don't even have to train characters to get it.

That being said, FF6 is indeed hella-flawed.

[Anonymous No.701084]

>>701073
SaGa was never about story and I am always glad the games had minimal story because I'd rather not have text dumps/cut scenes prevalent in the middle or later parts of the game. If you haven't noticed as well, the way you are going through your game is crafting the story through your successes and failures. Through talking with townspeople for trying to figure out where to go, to exploring new lands that you have opened up.

It never needed to be story heavy.

[Anonymous No.701117]

>>701084
They should at least show you something once you've beaten a boss. There's no reward or any indication that you've accomplished your quest.

>I did this for nothing?

[Anonymous No.701125]

>>700620
FF6 has realtime combat.

[Anonymous No.701129]

>>701117
If you had to beat the boss for the quest and you beat them then you completed your quest. Your hand doesn't need to be held to tell you that you've completed it because you went through that entire dungeon to beat them and witnessed that the boss is dead.

> There's no reward
Each quest does or doesn't have its rewards at the end of it. That is just how it is. You are also missing how great it is not knowing where to really go, what you want to accomplish, and how to go about it thus you are taking any lead you can and going for quests and seeing if you are going somewhere with it. When things start to fall into place it is very satisfying.

[Anonymous No.701140]

Until recently I would have said Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Cross, but I'm playing through Persona 3 at the moment and I am loving it.

[Anonymous No.701176]

You guys need to play more non-mainstream games.
There's a world of awesome RPGs out there, but all I see here is the usual FF and CT.

[Anonymous No.701181]

>>701176
Fuck your anti-mainstream shit.

[Anonymous No.701192]

All the best retro RPG's aren't turnbased.

[Anonymous No.701196]

>>701192

[Anonymous No.701197]

>>700620
I'd say FF5, but that's not really mainstream, so...
Final Fantasy 3
PSP version

[Anonymous No.701206]

>>701176
>CT

So?

[Anonymous No.701217]

The best turnbased retro RPG is FFTactics.
The best turnbased non-retro RPG is Tactics Ogre.

[Anonymous No.701228]

>>701217
>Tactics games
>Not mediocre
I have a world to explore, not a calendar.

[Anonymous No.701236]

>>701228
Most retro RPG's aren't true turnbased. In FF for example, if it's on an active battle system, it's not turnbased. And really, that's the best way to play those games.
Most of the best retro RPG's aren't turnbased at all, like Terranigma.

[Anonymous No.701251]

>>701236
I'd rather not play a bland action game. I have yet to play an action RPG that does action well and still heavily retains the RPG side of things.

[Anonymous No.701258]

>>700774
I'm using the same team setup except that I have 2 medics instead of 3 warriors. Needle guns are great by the way. It cannot be blocked by chaff/mist grenades and there are no enemies that are immune to it. That said, I wouldn't have them on all party members since their damage isn't that great unless you have weapon specialization which only warriors can have.

Have you got the derelict spaceship yet? That shit was scary when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.701264]

>>701251
One of the best examples of that would probably be Diablo.

[Anonymous No.701275]

Phantasy Star IV

[Anonymous No.701285]

>>701264
And possibly the only ones I like, Diablo 1 and 2. After that I just don't care, but it has a different thing going on in it like enemies change constantly from floor to floor, and of course one of the defining aspects is the amount of equipment slots and loot you get and how much the equipment can vary from one piece to the next.

[Anonymous No.701303]

>>700820
>>700830

I'm asking this completely apolitically; what exactly is wrong with Earthbound? And do you consider its sequels superior?

[Anonymous No.701353]

>>700620
I love FF6, but that's ATB not turn based.

Dragon Warrior/Quest 4

[Anonymous No.701379]

>>701125
I don't think you know what real time means.

[Anonymous No.701519]

>>701379
Does FF6's battle system take place in fake time?

[Anonymous No.701528]

>>701275
This.

[Anonymous No.701563]

>>701129
I think he's just missing an epic cutscene at the end or something. I kind of like that RS3 subverts this, kind of gives off an "unseen heroes of our time" vibe to it.

[Anonymous No.701573]

>>701176
This. Widely praising FF and CT would be fine and dandy if only they weren't such fundamentally and obviously flawed games.

[Anonymous No.701590]

>>701519

Yes. Each individual character gets a turn to fight based on their speed. No character attacks at the same time as another character.

[Anonymous No.701593]

>>701573
That's like, your opinion, man.

[Anonymous No.701596]

>>701590
They attack based on a timer. A timer set in real-time. Therefore it's real-time based combat.

[Anonymous No.701603]

>>700620
Not /vr/ material but...
Feels like what JRPGs in the PS1 era should have evolved from instead of stagnating.

[Anonymous No.701608]

>>701593
Even the majority of FF fans agree that games like FF6 are ridiculously easy to break and a lot of the spells are just useless, among other things.

[Anonymous No.701607]

>>701596

Yes, but the timer is based on their speed; in other words, the timer could be done away with completely and the sequence of turns would be exactly the same. except you wouldn't have to wait for the bars to fill up. thus "fake time."

[Anonymous No.701612]

>>701608
Well, that's what hacks are for.

[Anonymous No.701614]

>>701607

But even without the bars, you still have to wait based on a timer that's based on real time.

[Anonymous No.701615]

>>701608

Why does that mean people shouldn't talk about how great FF6 is?

[Anonymous No.701616]

>>701596
Not really, the timer counts frames, so if the game lags, so does the timer. And the timer stops for animation and when you go through menus. And once the timer is up, that doesn't necessarily mean someone is going to perform their move, they're inserted into a queue of moves that handles the ones that come in first.

Sorry friend, but you couldn't be more wrong.

[Anonymous No.701618]

>>701612
Romhacks aren't generally very great on the stability aspect and nowhere in the OP (and whoever mentioned FF6) does it mention that he's actually praising the hack and not the vanilla game.

[Anonymous No.701620]

>>701608
That's something that has always perplexed me, is that one of the most honored franchises in history has so many damn bugs and design flaws throughout even the most cherished games of the series.

Seriously, how did a game series like this develop such a massive adoring fanbase and become so widely popular and respected? It has always perplexed me, especially when IMO the games aren't as good as other JRPG series.

[Anonymous No.701621]

I forget, does FFVI have the same option for "active" or "wait" combat like Chrono Trigger does?

[Anonymous No.701624]

>>701616
I don't know. I disagree with you. It's all based on real time. If you stopped actual earth time, then the game would no longer progress. I don't see how you could possibly play FF6 without real-time thus denoting a real-time based RPG.

[Anonymous No.701625]

>>701614

An RPG that's based off a turn system that's based off a time system.

Sounds pretty TURN BASED to me.

[Anonymous No.701626]

>>701624
what the fuck are you even talking about anymore?

[Anonymous No.701629]

>>701620

Because not everyone broke the game? There's only a handful of glitches that can ruin the experience, and the game can be quite challenging if you don't spam ultima.

[Anonymous No.701630]

This is a goofy topic because we all value different things in RPGs. I don't give a shit about cutscenes, linearity and the absense of player control, so the mainstays like FF4 do absolutely nothing for me.

If I had to choose though, my favorite western RPG series would be Wizardry's Dark Savant trilogy. I'm really fond of the entire SaGa series when it comes to JRPGs because their willingness to be fresh and experimental, so I'd pick SaGa Frontier (or Minstrel Song but that's not retro).

[Anonymous No.701631]

>>701616

But if you do nothing, the monsters won't stop attacking. They're not waiting for you to take your turn

[Anonymous No.701636]

>>701621
>>701631

Oh, so I guess it is just active.

[Anonymous No.701639]

>>701620
I'd say it's a mixture of right-place-at-the-right-time marketing, retrospectives from major gaming sites (not only stuff like IGN but also among other things Gamefaqs, where every other dude seems like your generic FF fanboy), influence on other games in part (we can't deny that FF was among the first popular JRPG series after all) and the fact that we're in the phase of gaming where the average gamer started playing somewhere around the 4th gen. I also feel the same about the Elder Scrolls franchise. All the games seem to range from very buggy and barren to completely unplayable on release and an utter wasteland (Daggerfall), with the only particularily unique and praiseworthy aspect being a relatively minor one (spellmaking). And the mods of course, but those are only making the vanilla games more sufferable really.

[Anonymous No.701640]

>>701624

>If you stopped actual earth time

Then Final Fantasy 1 wouldn't progress.

Each character has a TURN, and that TURN is used to perform any and all actions. Because the TURNs don't always come at the same time, and aren't consecutive, that means the game isn't TURN based?

I don't understand how you cannot get this.

[Anonymous No.701641]

>>701636

Well it's real-time because the battle won't ever stop.

[Anonymous No.701651]

>>701641
If you have it set on Wait, it does stop.

[Anonymous No.701653]

>>701631

I guess games that go Player 1 : Player 2 : Player 1 : Player 2 are real time if it has a limit on how long you have to make your decision, because the other player can keep attacking you if you go afk.

[Anonymous No.701654]

all time or THE time? anyway, ONE of the games that gets my vote is Phantasy Star IV

[Anonymous No.701660]

>>701620
>>701629

Yeah, before the internet was a thing, the main draw of RPGs was their mystique; now that people can easily go online and figure out how to min/max stuff or ignore skills that are essentially pointless it's easy to write off old RPGs. it's just because we now are able to know more about them than anyone developing them thought we would be able to figure out.

[Anonymous No.701663]

>>701651

Even if you don't set it on wait, the timer does stop for animations, and your turn is still put into a queue while you're going through the menus.

[Anonymous No.701676]

>>701603
i have the Limited Edition of this on my shelf somewhere and have yet to play it. Bought it purely because of the hype behind it. Hope it's worth it

[Anonymous No.701685]

>>701663

But it's not just about the timer. The entire battle keeps happening regardless if your timer is up or if you're in a menu. Still getting assblasted by monsters

[Anonymous No.701710]

Seeing threads like these gives me such mixed emotions.

[Anonymous No.701716]

>>701685

By not acting on your turn, you're choosing to suspend your turn.

You obviously don't know what turn based means, so just stop.

[Anonymous No.701731]

>>701716

The whole thing takes place in real-time. There may be aspects of turn based, but the battle takes place in real-time. I'm sorry it's so hard for you to grasp this concept. Maybe /v/ is more your speed.

[Anonymous No.701763]

>>701731

We've told and shown you that it doesn't take place in real time. Your argument resolved to "If you don't do anything, stuff keeps happening", which doesn't mean it's not turn based.

[Anonymous No.701774]

>>701763
>"If you don't do anything, stuff keeps happening"
And even then, that stuff applies only if the battle is set to Active.

[Anonymous No.701775]

>>701763
>which doesn't mean it's not turn based.

But it does mean it's a real-time based battle system.

[Anonymous No.701780]

>>701775

no, because when you press the button to tell a character to attack, they won't until the command actually comes up in the queue.

action games have real time combat. final fantasy six does not.

[Anonymous No.701784]

>>701780
I don't know. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Anonymous No.701793]

Why are y'all only talking about consoles?

Its flaws were all due to publisher stupidity. It was an excellent retread of the tabletop super-module.

[Anonymous No.701797]

No BG2? Too new? I-it's technically turnbased...

Otherwise i'd have to say Chrono Trigger or FF7 [Spoiler]yeah yeah i know, muh feels

[Anonymous No.701803]

>>701784
deal. i'm kinda tired of being mad about this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.701804]

No BG2? Too new? I-it's technically turnbased...

Otherwise i'd have to say Chrono Trigger or [Spoiler] FF7, yeah yeah i know, muh feels[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.701805]

>>701784

ATB is turned-based. Why? Because action progresses in clearly-delineated rounds. The rounds continue to progress and to control the accrual of effects and damage based on rounds even if things keep progressing independent of your input.

Debate over.

[Anonymous No.701809]

No BG2? Too new? I-it's technically turnbased...

Otherwise i'd have to say Chrono Trigger or FF7, yeah yeah i know, muh feels

[Anonymous No.701815]

>>701804
>>701809

there's a check box beside your post and a delete button to your lower-right

[Anonymous No.701823]

>>701815

Yeah, only took me three times to get the spoiler right...

[Anonymous No.701827]

>>701793

This was excellent too

[Anonymous No.701830]

>>701803
It's ok I was just kidding anyway. It is turn based

[Anonymous No.701836]

>>701827

And this is better than every console RPG ever combined.

I like a lot of console RPGs a great deal so don't even go there.

[Anonymous No.701841]

>>701836
Shit man, that game basically IS a console RPG.

Same with Septerra Core. I wish we had more bizarro WRPGs that play like JRPGs, makes for interesting stuff.

[Anonymous No.701838]

>>701836
Damn, I love that game. No one ever seems to mention it.

[Anonymous No.701849]

>>701838
>>701841

I actually shed a tear at some points as well. I wish Tom Hall would do a kickstarter to make a sequel.

[Anonymous No.701858]

>>701849
I assume Square Enix has the IP.

[Anonymous No.701862]

>>701858

God that's fucking depressing.

[Anonymous No.701892]

>>701849
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw67p3VbLPE

4:45-7:40

This shit right here

;_;

[Anonymous No.701909]

>>701892
>>701836
Is the movie of this any good? It seems a pretty weird thing to do an entire 2+hour film of a game.

[Anonymous No.702021]

>>701836
>>701838
>>701841
>>701849
Post some screenshots and/or tell me what it's about. I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.702036]

>>702021
Its a wrpg that plays alot like a console jrpg. It is really good. Its hard to explain, but it kinda manages to be funny as fuck while still having serious moments.

[Anonymous No.702197]

>>702036
Nah, you're wrong

[Anonymous No.702214]

>>701603
Gatdam it. WHERE'S OUR SC, XSEED!

[Anonymous No.703478]

>>700620
Mario RPG + Paper Mario
FF3 - 7
Dragon Quest
poakman

[Anonymous No.703665]

>>701909

It's ridiculously watchable. Can't recommend it enough.

[Anonymous No.703676]

>>702021

It's essentially the story of a washed out private detective living on the eponymous space station and being assisted by a digitized version of his dead secretary. He becomes embroiled in the prevention of an attack on our universe by a different universe. The only bad thing about it is that it was meant to have a sequel that never got made.

Party members include an aging Mexican superhero, a female assassin, an old guy, a cute robot, and a miniaturized planet whose surface you can explore.

Oh and a black female scientist. How often do you see that one? Buy it, patch it, check it out.

[Anonymous No.703725]

Never equaled, never surpassed.

[Anonymous No.703840]

>>703725

MY NEGRO
that gameplay has the most replay value imo, especially with the dragon eggs and the ancient tower

[Anonymous No.704258]

>>700646
Get your Lorraine Williams loving, Gary Gygax hating ass over to /tg/ to worship the WotC she sold TSR to using daddy's Buck Rogers money.

[Anonymous No.704263]

>>700661
It's free on Google today.

[Anonymous No.704262]

>>703725
>>703725
dat boss music.

boss music used to be awesome now boss fights are too "videogamey"

[Anonymous No.704267]

>>700673
>He said turn-based. I know CT is vaguely turn-based, but ToS?
Chrono Trigger is 100% turn-based, what are you talking about?

And Tales games are also turn based if you know anything about game design at all, although, yeah, it's veiled a bit and is not obvious for the superficial player.

[Anonymous No.704370]

>>701653
Exactly. That's why chess isn't a turn based game, because it has a timer.

[FrankBooth !KcsuXV8r0Q No.704382]

>>701858
Yes. Ever since they've bought eidos; the deal also included what ion storm (deus ex, anachronox, daikatana, etc) and looking glass studio (thief series) productions.

[Anonymous No.704812]

>>700830

>an Earthbound fan just so happens to agree with my egotistical opinion

Either you're samefagging, or that guy is ashamed of liking something thats pretty cool.

I'm only like, level 40 in Earthbound, but I can see why it'd make it near the top of a retro RPG list.

It's easily every bit as enjoyable, if not more so, than any of the original Phantasy Star games.

[Anonymous No.704843]

>>701836

>better than every console RPG ever combined
>combined

Not even close. Anachronox is a great game and all, but you're overstating its quality.

It was a very very rushed game, and the further you get into it, the more you can see that. Furthermore, even at the time, a lot of the animations looked like complete shit.

[Anonymous No.704971]

Skies of Arcadia
Phantasy Star IV
Final Fantasy IV
Lunar
Albert Odyssey

[Anonymous No.704980]

>check thread
>no one posts Live-A-Live

Come on faggots.

[Anonymous No.705430]

FFV>VI. It just feels plain more fun, and I enjoy that they didn't take the entire game for serious either.

It's understandable to love VI though, especially since it actually got a US SNES release granted with a bad translation that had an even more awesome villain.

[Anonymous No.705446]

>>701827
Yes but Ambermoon is better

[Anonymous No.705469]

>>705446
How?

[Anonymous No.705492]

>>705469
More exploration and freedom mainly, Ambermoon is open after you get the boat basically, Albion is extremely linear and keeps you on one island until the end quest. Also somewhat less broken combat and more spells and cool transportation devices.

[Anonymous No.705501]

>>705492
That's a double edged sword. It's easy to get lost in Ambermoon without knowing what to do. Personal experience

[Anonymous No.705547]

>>705430
>bad translation
Yea... No. I don't want literal minded bullshit like that shitty fan translation. It completely destroys the feeling and flow of the narrative. The only translation Woolsey did that was bad was Secret of Mana, mainly for technical limitations. He did a marvelous job getting what he did get past the Nintendo censors in FF6, and as you said massively improved the villain.

>...while translations cannot, as a rule, be superior to the source material, localizations most certainly can.

[Anonymous No.705559]

>>700620
>>704971

[Anonymous No.708465]

>>704843

Who gives a fuck how they looked? The story was compelling and the characters were interesting. And have you got any idea how many games were fucked up back then because some dumbass distributor set an arbitrary deadline? You can't blame the developers for political shit like that.

Are you a teenager?

[Anonymous No.708487]

>>708465

>Who gives a fuck how they looked?

Graphics are a part of a video game. It's high time you realized that.

>The story was compelling and the characters were interesting

I agree. One of my favorite games. Easily in my top 20 overall. What's your point? That because the story was cool that I should look past its flaws? Because I definitely did. I wouldn't have played it if I didn't like it.

>And have you got any idea how many games were fucked up back then because some dumbass distributor set an arbitrary deadline? You can't blame the developers for political shit like that.

Yes, I'm aware. Developers are afflicted by this curse to this very day. I didn't play the blame game, but at the very same time, it is what it is. Fact is that even for the time, the game, as you played it, increasingly showed just how much it was rushed out the door, which affects its overall quality. It just doesn't matter who is to blame when it doesn't change what the game is, now does it?

If they had gotten the development time they needed, well, who knows. I don't like to throw conjecture around, but I wish they would have. Could have been even better.

>Are you a teenager?

I was when I played it for the first time. A better question that I have for you, is why are you jumping to defend when I clearly stated that it was a great game? Are you upset that I pointed out the fact that it was a rushed game? That's a fact. You can't get around that.

If it makes you feel any better, its easily the best "rushed" game I've ever played.

[Anonymous No.708490]

Phantasy Star series
Shin Megami Tensei series
Grandia

No idea how anyone can enjoy Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VI unless you're absolutely enthralled by nostalgia. Is it even possible to die in either?

[Anonymous No.708678]

>>708490
What if they're so widely enjoyable BECAUSE they're easy?

[Anonymous No.708701]

>>708678

most rpgs are easy to the experienced player

go play persona 3 FES on the hardest difficulty without a guide and without a previous playthrough file to carry you. Now that's hard.

nothing is more frustrating than being unable to continue with the story because you have to grind to beat something or the game doesn't challenge you fairly. There are plenty of hacks out there that make these games harder, so if people want challenges with these games, they can certainly get them.

[Anonymous No.708721]

etrian odyssey(not retro)

>>708490
>>708490
>Shin Megami Tensei series

or this

[Anonymous No.708726]

>>708701
I'm talking about popularity, not what game's better and which one's not. CT and FF6 are popular because they're easy, because they're not frustrating.

[Anonymous No.708730]

>>708721
You should play some Wizardry.

[Anonymous No.708746]

>>708730
I should but wouldn't know where to start

graph paper

Also dragon quest V

[Anonymous No.708748]

>>708726

and I agree. I was basically following up on your point. My bad for not specifying.

[Anonymous No.708763]

>>708746
The SNES 1-3 collection, or 6, or 8. Basically, the oldest one you can stand. Keep in mind that 1-5 and 6-8 are basically two different self-conserved series.

[Anonymous No.708771]

>>708746
>>708763
And concerning 6, you should probably play it on PC, or if you insist on the prettier SNES one you should at least get some save editor handy so you can export your party.