/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6978979]

Is this still worth playing or is it too outdated at this point?

[Anonymous No.6978981]

>>6978979
>too outdated
Games still haven't caught up to it

[Anonymous No.6979000]

just play it, little bitch. then you will either appreciate it or be able to shit on it using the knowledge you gained by playing the game.

[Anonymous No.6979007]

>outdated
>does it hold up
>QoL
>aged

[Anonymous No.6979023]

>>6978979
Just shut the fuck up and play it, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6979025]

>>6979000
>>6979023
duly noted niggers

[Anonymous No.6979029]

>>6978979
>asking if a game is too outdated
>on the retro video game board

[Anonymous No.6979036]

>>6979029
Some games age worse than others dummy

[Anonymous No.6979042]

>>6979036
Some games ̶a̶g̶e̶ date worse than others dummy

[Anonymous No.6979060]

>>6979029
How much a game ages in a negative context is a direct result of how much the genre has advanced since it was released. Some genres have completely stagnated, so something like Bare Knuckle 2 is still a stellar example of peak 2d brawler action, and has no problem competing with modern offerings. Other genres have moved on, you wouldn't say Syphon Filter or Metal Gear Solid are anywhere near as good as Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, would you? And if they aren't anywhere near as good, surely you could understand why someone would think they're no longer worth playing.

[Anonymous No.6979117]

It's kino that exposes the ZOG and their plans for the NWO

[Anonymous No.6979121]

>>6979117
This game exposes ZOG so much they had to make the sequels shit with none of the themes of the original

[Anonymous No.6979124]

>>6979121
can you imagine a game doing this nowadays?

[Anonymous No.6979129]

>>6979060
>how much the genre has advanced
I would go with "change" for that, not necessarily "advance"

[Anonymous No.6979157]

>>6979129
There's some genres that have definitively advanced, some in minor ways, some in major ways.

[Anonymous No.6979158]

>>6979060
Metal Gear Solid is still a fantastic game in its own right, even if it is simpler and clunkier than recent stealth action games.

[Anonymous No.6979160]

What mods should I use?

[Anonymous No.6979163]

>>6979158
>brief stints of shitty gameplay before the next drawn out cutscene/codec segment
It'd honestly have been better if the gameplay was removed entirely, and it was just a movie. Now MGS2, on the other hand, has very solid gameplay.

[Anonymous No.6979364]

>>6979158

[Anonymous No.6979371]

>>6978979
we are just starting to experience the story in real life

[Anonymous No.6979378]

>>6979364
Oh no he posted an image that means the arguments over whatever shall we do

[Anonymous No.6979423]

>>6979364

[Anonymous No.6979441]

yeah, it still holds up. like other posters are saying most games haven't caught up to its level. personally, i'm not a big fan of the character models. i'd say that's where it's the most dated. highly recommend you install gmdx, which is mostly a gameplay mod. you can play vanilla, but there's some odd stuff in there that you might end up considering a waste of skill points, and there are no resets.

there's basically nothing you can do about the shitty character models and animation. some of the voice acting is bad, but it's not too upsetting. most of the quirks this game has are endearing. i randomly play this game since i got it in like 2005 and i'm still discovering things i didn't notice before.

[Anonymous No.6979447]

>>6978979
It's better than most games released today.

[Anonymous No.6979481]

>>6979441
The thing about Deus Ex is that those character models and animations were pretty much always shitty. Not really a "dated" thing. I played this game maybe 2 years after initial release and it felt clunky and looked ugly.

[Anonymous No.6979696]

>>6978979
It's somewhat clunky, but it is great regardless.
If it's your first time, do not play with Revision, it was advertised as an update, but really it's just a fan mod that turns the game into something entirely different (and imho inferior)

[Anonymous No.6979720]

>>6979481
I think the game doesn't use much of its engine potential to be honest. Unreal Tournament was released in late 1999 and character models still look good for a 21-year old game, just like the game itself.

[Anonymous No.6979797]

>>6979481
No games had lipsyncing as advanced as Deus Ex's on time of release.

[Anonymous No.6980051]

>>6979423
>Sheep, Dog & Wolf
such a baller soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6zfcN2rJsY

[Anonymous No.6980054]

>>6978979
Your appointment to FEMA should be finalized within the week. I've already discussed the matter with the Senator.

[Anonymous No.6980081]

>>6979423
Sneak King should be at the bottom of this meme

[Anonymous No.6980489]

>>6978979
Fun game, good story, great music, superb unintentional comedy.

[Anonymous No.6981338]

>>6978979
Some parts of it were out-of-date when it was released (ex.: the graphics).

[Anonymous No.6981534]

>>6979364
How does it feel to be such a smug, elitist, neckbeard stroking prick?

[Anonymous No.6981540]

>>6981534
Feels like 4chan in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.6981596]

>>6981534
A lot better than being a Kojimafag suffering a bout of severe copeseethe.

[Anonymous No.6981607]

>>6981596
Mgs lives in your head rent free.

[Anonymous No.6981613]

I played through at the beginning of this year, I really enjoyed it, but get your stats up fast so the basic game mechanics like aiming doesn't suck.

[Anonymous No.6981617]

>>6981613
>aiming
Just go melee, guns are shit.

[Anonymous No.6981626]

>>6980081
but it's in the bottom

[Anonymous No.6981832]

>>6981613
if you level up and upgrade pistol at the start you are pretty much set for the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.6981843]

>>6978979
If Deus Ex is outdated, what does that say about all of the modern adventure and open world games that can't even match it in basic features?

[Radiochan !FhErN6z1NQ No.6981846]

>>6978981
Real life still hasn't caught up to it.
Anyway, there are a bunch of mods that "upscale" it to HD and shit.

[Anonymous No.6981974]

>>6978979
Amazing game.
Starts slow gets better fast.
Don't forget to put all of your points into swimming.

[Anonymous No.6982026]

>>6978979
If it was outdated, then, every games that still try to copy it nowaday would be outdated too. Yes, even Cyberpunk 2077.

[Anonymous No.6982034]

>>6979423
swap Spinter cell with MGS and you're right

[Anonymous No.6982038]

>>6979364
>pac-man tier stealth
That’s funny regardless of how you feel about MGS

[Anonymous No.6982048]

>>6982026
True, and it's very sad. 3D Realms has a "spiritual successor" of Deus Ex in the works right now and it's some of the most try-hard winkwinknudgenudge shit I've ever seen. Incomprehensible gravelly rambling about black sites and turret/camera hacking and they think they're following in Deus Ex's footsteps.

[Anonymous No.6982089]

GMDX sucks. Why the fuck did they add a stamina meter?? Granted you can turn most of the unnecessary shit off like "realistic" head bob, the stamina meter, mantling etc etc
But at that point, stop being a bitch and just play vanilla.

[Anonymous No.6982308]

>>6982089
you shoud check out the "v10" community update

https://www.moddb.com/mods/gmdx-v10-community-update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/gmdx-v10-community-update/news/gmdx-v10-community-update-release-changelog

[Anonymous No.6982316]

>>6978979
It's still the best game ever made

[Anonymous No.6982824]

>>6978979
In the middle of replaying it lately. It’s still holds up very well and the story is even more uncanny then ever with the virus plot line, riots and qanon deep state shit I’m surprised there hasn’t been another round of OMG DEUS EX PREDICTED THE FUTURE shit like after 9/11

[Anonymous No.6982853]

>>6978979
>is this timeless masterpiece too outdated?

You zoomer pisspig. You absolute faggot motherfucker you should be ashamed of yourself for asking such a gay fucking question.

[Anonymous No.6982870]

>>6978979
If you're on /vr/ and believe the dumb flawed myth that games 'ages' you're in the wrong place and should head back to /v/

[Anonymous No.6983913]

>>6979117
>ZOG
>>6979121
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ZOG

You have to go back to mexico ESL >>>/pol/tarts.

[Anonymous No.6984016]

Does /vr/ approve of the ps2 version? Seems like as far as pc to console ports go it's fairly well regarded, kinda like half-life ps2

[Anonymous No.6984028]

I just started playing this and I'm so fucking bad at it. I fucked up the second mission somehow because the cyborg woman located the stolen Ambrosia before I did and I killed all the hostages because I thought they were enemies at first. Anyway I'm killing myself tonight

[Anonymous No.6984037]

>>6978979
Play it with the GMDX mod (NOT Revision which completely fucks the level layout).
The game kind of loses steam a bit after Paris, but it's still good to the end.

[Anonymous No.6984039]

>>6984016
It's a heavy downgrade that no longer has any reason to exist.

[Anonymous No.6984041]

>>6979117
>ZOG and their plans for the NWO
Yikes, take your meds sweaty

[Anonymous No.6984049]

>>6980054
I take it he was agreeable.

[Anonymous No.6984225]

>>6982824
>It’s still holds up very well and the story is even more uncanny then ever with the virus plot line, riots and qanon deep state shit
I’m playing it now for the first time and I agree it holds up extremely well. I didn’t know anything about the plot so everything with riots and the virus and such kind of floored me. Even felt very uncomfortable but in a good way, I was surprised the game could effect me like that so early on without resorting to cheap tricks.

I’m in hong kong(!) now and someone just made a reference to the NSA spying on people, like, wow. Incredible that this game came out in 2000.

Stealth gameplay is pretty great but I might have fucked up my build a bit by missing some items. Gone with a melee build but I missed the leg enhancements apparently. And it seems like not every human enemy dies to one hit on their back, but maybe I’m just fucking up the swings (Part of this is me being a retard and often forgetting to use the ‘stronger melee’ enhancement).

Only mildly offputting thing gameplay-wise so far is levels can be moderately large and a little labyrinthine, but not too bad. And having to keep mental maps gives it the vibe of “thinking man’s game” which sounds pretentious but is actually very refreshing to experience. Just a bit of trial and error walking in circles til you have the layout ‘down’.

OP if you’re reading this, this game is amazing. Play it.

Gonna duck out if this thread now to avoid any spoilers.

[Anonymous No.6984260]

>>6984225
Stick with the prod

[Anonymous No.6984453]

>>6984260
I didnt duck out of the thread I’m a fucking liar

I was kind of afraid of prod being the best melee, the crowbar and knife just feel more fun. I have a regular sword, is that really worse than the prod?

I assume I’m getting the fancy technology sword npcs are talking about at some point, THAT at least has to be better than prod right?

[Anonymous No.6984475]

>>6984453
It's from a meme video.
Just play however you want there's really no wrong way to do it.
Except putting points into swimming that's also a meme don't do that.
Now actually duck out of the thread the game is best played blind.

[Anonymous No.6984765]

>>6984453
I was just memeing. Prod is good for instant takedowns if you like sneaking up behind people, but I think the baton will do that too.

[Anonymous No.6984831]

>>6979060
All of that is entirely relative to your own modern perception. You are the one choosing to arbitrarily judge the value of Syphon Filter relative to a completely different game. How about you try to evaluate the quality of a game based on it's own intrinsic strengths and the experience it provides.
I think people that say a game has 'aged' and therefore think it's not worth playing are just lazy and don't want to make any effort to enjoy something for what it is. Get out of your own way and just enjoy something.

[Anonymous No.6984918]

>>6984831
>All of that is entirely relative to your own modern perception
Sure, in the same way that we can look at the humble wooden chair, and then a herman miller aeron. Or a porcelain toilet, versus squatting over a dirt hole in the forest.
>You are the one choosing to arbitrarily judge the value of Syphon Filter relative to a completely different game.
You can't unring the bell. You may really enjoy shitting into that hole in the ground when that's all you have, but once you've sat on an ergonomic modern toilet and dropped the nigs off at the pool, you can't help but judge the value of the hole in the ground in direct comparison to the modern toilet.
>How about you try to evaluate the quality of a game based on it's own intrinsic strengths and the experience it provides
It's impossible for humans to evaluate any experience in a bubble. For example, a boomer playing Pacman as a child may be profoundly impacted by that experience, having never experienced anything like that before. Show that to 10 year old me in the late 90s, and it wouldn't even register as a blip on my radar. I was playing Fallout, Resident Evil 2, and Banjo Kazooie, fuck that old grandpa shit.
>I think people that say a game has 'aged' and therefore think it's not worth playing are just lazy and don't want to make any effort to enjoy something for what it is
I'd like to direct you to the humble ball in a cup. How much effort are you willing to put in, and how much return on investment do you expect to get back in the form of enjoyment?

[Anonymous No.6984996]

>>6984918
>how much return on investment do you expect to get back in the form of enjoyment?
Honestly, just as much as you'd get from most AAA games - a mild diversion. There are diminishing returns with game making.

[Anonymous No.6985003]

>>6984996
I can't imagine you really believe that, unless your dopamine receptors are so burned out that you're in complete anhedonia, or are only in it for nostalgia. I've been gaming since gen 4, and new games never cease to impress, immerse, and entertain me.

[Anonymous No.6985013]

>>6985003
ok but how much more impressed, amazed, immersed, and entertained are you with each new generation? Are you reaching heights of bliss previously though unattainable?

[Anonymous No.6985049]

>>6985013
>ok but how much more impressed, amazed, immersed, and entertained are you with each new generation?
It depends. Part of it is that after gen 6, I swapped over to PC gaming, so generational lines are very blurry compared to how rigid they are with consoles. I would say that immersion is definitely at an all-time high, although sometimes that comes at a cost of player agency. I'm definitely more entertained than I was as a kid, since gameplay in general has become better, though not universally so.
>Are you reaching heights of bliss previously though unattainable?
I know you're being facetious, but honestly, I just played through metro exodus for the first time, and yes, I was totally blown away. It was like getting a proper spiritual successor to STALKER. Earlier in the year I finally got around to playing through Hollow Knight and Bloodstained, and they both hit harder than SotN did.

Modern gaming is looking really good. I still regularly go back and play things that I've missed, but to bring it back to my original point, mostly games from genres that haven't moved forward.

[Anonymous No.6985196]

A bit out of the range of this discussion, but if you guys are looking for a spiritual successor to Deus Ex, Alpha Protocol is probably the closest thing out there.

[Anonymous No.6985227]

Newfag here. How TF do I fix this?

[Anonymous No.6985234]

>>6985227
Did you take a picture of your monitor with a phone?

[Anonymous No.6985238]

>>6985234
Looks like it, I mean I guess he admitted he’s a newfag so he should be willing to learn the ways :p

[Anonymous No.6985264]

>>6985234
sure did
>>6985238
I'm playing vanilla for now. The issue with pic related was GMDX mod

[Anonymous No.6985278]

>>6985264
You can press the PrtSc button on your keyboard to capture your display, open up paint or a similar application, and press CTRL+V. Taking a picture of your screen with a phone is something I'd expect from a tech illiterate boomer, not a zoomer who grew up with this shit. Shameful.

[Anonymous No.6985305]

>>6984918
Simply put, the analogy isn't meaningfully comparable. Chairs serve a basic function, they can be more or less agreeable. Media is more than this, they can be both more or less agreeable, but also be more or less qualitatively in other regard.
Moby Dick, to modern perception, is archaic, it's obtuse, hard to enjoy, it is disagreeable. Harry Potter is more agreeable to modern perception. Can we then say Harry Potter is better qualitatively? Not so at all. You load your analogy with the presumption that something from the past, so long as it is not agreeable, it must therefore be qualitatively lesser. Moby Dick has better potential value than most modern literature, it requires effort to enjoy.
So instead of talking in regard to whether something is dated or aged to your own modern perception, just simply talk qualitatively. Chaos Theory is better than Syphon Filter by virtue of measuring quality: value, enjoyability, etc. Many would say Fallout 1 is outdated therefore Fallout 4 is better. Why? Because it offends the former offends their modern sensibilities than the latter. But we all know that they are depriving themselves of a potentially great experience simply because they let their modern sensibilities define what they want to enjoy.
Basically, old games are not simply 'balls in a cup'. Banjo could be said to be better than Pacman not because Pacman is old but because Banjo is simply better.

[Anonymous No.6985308]

>>6985305
You're replying to the 6th gen autist who spent years making it his sole endeavor to become a mod and make 6th gen allowed here.

[Anonymous No.6985323]

>>6985305
>Media is more than this
I disagree, media exists to entertain.
>Can we then say Harry Potter is better qualitatively?
Sure, but I think a more analogous example would be something like The Shining.
>it requires effort to enjoy
That's not a positive trait.
>Many would say Fallout 1 is outdated therefore Fallout 4 is better
Depends. Fallout is a cRPG, Fallout 4 is a looter shooter. As a cRPG, it's in a genre that hasn't changed much at all over the last couple decades, and it holds up very well alongside modern offerings like UnderRail, or the HBS Shadowrun games.

Now if you said that the genre itself is dated, and is worse than looter shooters, I may have to agree with you. cRPGs are one of my favorite genres, but how much of this is because I grew up with them, and how much of this is because they're great games? If I was growing up with today's games, would I ever give them the time of day without that preexisting experiential attachment during my formative years? I couldn't say. What I can say is that Fallout does objectively hold up by modern standards in the confines of its highly specific genre. This is something that can't be said for Syphon Filter or MGS.

>>6985308
Take your meds ;)

[Anonymous No.6986139]

>>6979158
True but that has nothing to do with what anon is saying.

[Anonymous No.6986146]

>>6978979
Invisible War is better imo

[Anonymous No.6988023]

>>6985323
Extremely late reply sorry
>I disagree, media exists to entertain.
and entertainment is more complex than agreeableness (and media may also do more than entertain, such as compel, invoke interest, cause thought, etc). Chairs simply have one simple function, and may only be more or less agreeable, and agreeableness is not entertainment. Therefore, they are not reasonably comparable.
>That's not a positive trait.
Effort in this case necessitates worthwhile value. No reasonable person confuses agreeableness with overall quality or value, which I demonstrated.
>Can we then say Harry Potter is better qualitatively?
>sure
are you saying that the Shining or Harry Potter can be said to be better than Moby Dick?
>Depends
>I couldn't say
Don't you think this kind of demonstrates the problem with talking about something being 'dated' objectively when you say fo1 can be both dated and not dated simultaneously? Aren't you, in a sense, trying to have your cake and eat it too? A simple response is if there's any reason for me not to say that Fallout 1 is shit? Shadowrun is more agreeable to me in regard to accessibility, controls, visuals, general agreeableness, so Shadowrun is better and Fallout 1 isn't anywhere near as good.

[Anonymous No.6988104]

>>6988023
>and media may also do more than entertain, such as compel, invoke interest, cause thought, etc ... Therefore, they are not reasonably comparable
Anything and everything is capable of that. Surely you've interacted with some mundane object, only to be inadvertently taken on a mental journey. Or maybe not, if most people are milling about with no internal monologue.
>Effort in this case necessitates worthwhile value
I just don't see it.
>are you saying that the Shining or Harry Potter can be said to be better than Moby Dick?
Oh yes, absolutely.
>Don't you think this kind of demonstrates the problem with talking about something being 'dated' objectively when you say fo1 can be both dated and not dated simultaneously?
No, not at all. The humble screwdriver isn't dated when compared to other screwdrivers, but is dated compared to tools as a whole with the advent of modern power drills. Fallout is a screwdriver. Syphon Filter is a hand-cranked drill.
>Shadowrun is more agreeable to me in regard to accessibility, controls, visuals, general agreeableness, so Shadowrun is better and Fallout 1 isn't anywhere near as good
I would argue that while it does win in many minor categories, the total linearity stands in stark contrast to the hallmark player freedom of the genre, thus it fails to surpass Fallout as a whole, and instead, is about on par with.

[Anonymous No.6989046]

Just stayed playing this game and it kicks ass. I didn't think I was going to like it but after the first mission it's kino

[Anonymous No.6990207]

>>6979029
>super mario bros
>still extremely easy to pick up and play
age doesnt matter some games just age fucking terribly.

[Anonymous No.6991075]

>>6978979
What is the best way to play this? PC? Unmodded?

[Anonymous No.6991083]

>>6991075
I did my first run unmodded, there's tons of gamebreaker tier weapons and augs mind

[Anonymous No.6991084]

>>6984765
The GEP gun takedown is the most silent way to eliminate Manderley.

[Anonymous No.6991089]

>>6991075
Unmodded for sure. Too many gayplay mods go too far in changing the game.

[Anonymous No.6991417]

>>6991075
PS2 is the most comfy way to play it, they modified what was just a poor tech demo to a full fledged experience.

[Anonymous No.6991746]

>>6991075
Start with the GMDX mod and never look back:

http://www.moddb.com/mods/gmdx