Style without Substance

[Anonymous No.6972235]

When you think of ''style without substance'' what game or genre comes to mind? For me it's pic related, took me a while to make.

[Anonymous No.6972259]

Basically all jarpigs

[Anonymous No.6972269]

>>6972235
The <18 shitposter genre comes to mind
You need to go back, my sad sad broken little child.

[Anonymous No.6972280]

>>6972235
thing is arcade games and shmups had to be style over substance to attract walk in customers and credit feeders, 95% of their income depended on them as the devs intended.

[Anonymous No.6972282]

>>6972280
still doesn't justify it

[Anonymous No.6972292]

the jarpigs are really desperate lately uh

[Anonymous No.6972297]

>>6972280
They needed both style and substance and had both in spades

[Anonymous No.6972321]

>>6972282
that's why they all went bankrupt and have been dead for 20+ years

[Anonymous No.6972337]

>>6972235
>what game or genre comes to mind?
Radiant Silvergun or any treasure crap really.

[Anonymous No.6972379]

>>6972337
Challenging, highly replayable, gameplay-oriented games with a lot of scoring depth and fairly unique systems are style over substance now? Having cool visuals and non intrusive set pieces doesn't make a game "style over substance"

[Anonymous No.6972484]

grind elf to level 1000 substanz

[Anonymous No.6972498]

>>6972337
those area shmups ofc

[Anonymous No.6972501]

>>6972235
Wind Waker.

[Anonymous No.6972513]

>>6972235
Beat em ups

[Anonymous No.6972528]

>>6972235
"I hate shrumps" - The post. OP must post on /v/ about souls-like games.

[Anonymous No.6973081]

>>6972235
ok zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6973092]

I'll post a real answer

In this case it was very deliberate, they meant to make a cool looking game that anybody could play and there's really no skill involved or any way to win

[resistance is autism !!65XNEdwLf1z No.6973106]

>>6972235
Gen 7 onward in general.

6972259
6972292

Negated.

[Anonymous No.6973132]

>>6972235
lmao

[Anonymous No.6973203]

>>6972528
>You hate thing I like so you must like thing that I hate!
Not OP, but what breeds this idiotic line of thinking anyway?

[Anonymous No.6973453]

>>6973203
doesn't sound like OP is hating anything, just stating the obvious

[Anonymous No.6973628]

Style is substance.

[Anonymous No.6973712]

>>6972235
>When you think of ''style without substance'' what game or genre comes to mind?
Many nintendo games, specifically the kirby ones

[Anonymous No.6973882]

>>6972269
lmao seething

[Anonymous No.6973901]

>>6972235
>Twinbee
>Darius
>Thunder Force 3
>Bokan to ippatsu doronbo (it has substance if you're a fan of the actual yatterman anime, I'll give you this one though)

It seems like you just don't like shmups anon, there's plenty of substance if you're a fan of the genre.

[Anonymous No.6973907]

>>6972337
>he didn't like dynamite heady

[Anonymous No.6975050]

>>6973882
>seething that they laughed at the retarded pic i devoted hours of my "life" to
lmao

[Anonymous No.6975131]

Most Disney/Pixar games from the 90s. The art was consistently top notch, the gameplay was consistently 6/10

[Anonymous No.6975180]

The Amiga is the definition of style without substance. The art and music could be very technically impressive, but almost every single Amiga game plays like absolute shit.

[Anonymous No.6975469]

how come OP is so cool and calm and you guys are raging at him?

[Anonymous No.6975485]

>>6972235
>Twinkle Star Sprites
You obviously just searched for shmups without playing them and didn't realize that it's a hardcore competitive multiplayer game where all the substance is provided by your opponent.

[Anonymous No.6976084]

>>6972235
>When you think of ''style without substance'' what game or genre comes to mind?
Cave shmups and Toaplan

[Anonymous No.6976095]

>>6973882
I hate the seething meme. Any dismissal or complaint is just
>u mad

[Anonymous No.6976132]

>>6972235
Most titles up there are pick up & play by deliberate design. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.6976168]

>>6976132
pick your nose and eat it lol

[Anonymous No.6976406]

>>6972235
>credit feeding genre
>no substance
gee i wonder why

[Anonymous No.6976802]

>>6976406
>credit-feeding Gradius
Yea good luck with that, shitplayer.

[Anonymous No.6976823]

>>6976406
>developers put all their eggs in the Credit-Feeding quarter munching basket
>PC gaming and consoles come out
>all out of business in a few years
lol
should've learned to make solid gameplay

[Anonymous No.6976854]

Arguably Suda51 games.
>>6972513
this

[Anonymous No.6976913]

>>6976823
How was the weather in schizo land today?

[Anonymous No.6976919]

>>6976823
Arcade games generally have more solid gameplay than most shit made for home systems. Read this to understand why:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080606000932/https://www.insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/

[Anonymous No.6976930]

>>6972235
Playing shumps is doing work for free, just to make some numbers go up.

[Anonymous No.6976935]

>>6976919
arcade games are dead for good reasons read this thread to understand.

[Anonymous No.6976964]

>>6976935
>arcade games are dead for good reasons
Gee, where have I heard that before...

[Anonymous No.6977045]

>>6972235
probably jrpgs

[Anonymous No.6977057]

>>6972235
All SHUMPs are the same shitty game

[Anonymous No.6977067]

>>6976913
No, he’s right. shit em ups died for a reason

[Anonymous No.6977074]

>>6977067
>i'm right
sure you are

[Anonymous No.6977181]

>>6977067
How did they die? When? I totally missed it.

[Anonymous No.6977187]

>>6977057
Let me take a really wild and totally random guess here... and you play.... metroidvanias on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.6977204]

Here I was thinking shmupg was peak autism, but no, we have ascended to the point where this thread is from an alternate dimension where literally everything is made out of shit and piss. Nice work OP, keep reaching new heights.

[Anonymous No.6977367]

>>6977204

[Anonymous No.6977442]

>Willy Wombat (Sega Saturn)
Great presentation, bland gameplay.
>Shadow of the Beast
The pretty aesthetics and parallax are just to hide the horrible level design and shitty hitboxes.
>Sonic 3D Blast
Same as Willy Wombat. Everything is impressive except for the gameplay.
>Super Mario Sunshine
Pretty game with boring game design.
>Kirby
95% of the Kirby games are style without any kind of substance.

[Anonymous No.6977470]

>>6976919
>linking icycalm
Based

[Anonymous No.6977487]

>>6976919
This is ok except ghouls n ghosts is easier than super, wtf was icycalm smoking

[Anonymous No.6977496]

>>6977487
What kind of superhuman drugs are YOU on?
Also, how come in this article he bashes Halo and then it appears years later on his top games of all time list. I'm convinced that list was bait at this point.

[Anonymous No.6977504]

>>6977496
It's the truth, ghouls is the better game but super is harder, mainly because of the platforming.

[Anonymous No.6977591]

How about style AND subtance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHz0uBSmwnA&t=6212s

[Anonymous No.6977789]

If you enjoy this game, you are shallow and easily swayed by "art design" without any consideration for the tangible aspects of video game design, all of which fall short when it comes to Metroid Prime.

[Anonymous No.6977816]

The hate shmup and arcade games as a whole are getting on this "retro" gaming board is quite astonishing. One might think that people in here would be digging them but instead they love novel games/cinematic experiences. I'm thinking those people are just /v/ rejects going on a snowflakey phase, yup.

[Anonymous No.6977830]

>>6977816
/nu/ vr hates games

[Anonymous No.6977865]

>>6977789
Butthurt

[D.O.W. the demon autist !!mbzPwOJuaB8 No.6977906]

>>6977789
>he doesn't realize that games like beyond two souls exist

[Anonymous No.6977907]

>>6977816
It's a reaction to /shmupg/ mental illness and a well deserved one.

[Anonymous No.6977917]

>>6977789
>you are shallow and easily swayed by "art design"
I can live with that

[Anonymous No.6978138]

Making the credits go down, making the time go down, speedtrannies and shmupcels two spergs in a pod.

[Anonymous No.6978231]

>>6977907
/shmupg/ faggots are indeed deeply mentally ill, but it's retarded to hate on arcade games. I don't think most /shmupg/ posters even play anything anymore. They just want to go on unprompted tantrums about trannies and rpgs.

[Anonymous No.6978275]

>>6977816
shut up bitch

[Anonymous No.6978276]

>>6977906
>he doesn't realize that 10 hours of cut scenes separated by a few QTEs isn't a game.

[Anonymous No.6978795]

Why do SHMUPs make /vr/ seethe so much? I've played a couple, and have 1cc'd one (Hellsinker), and they're fun enough. I don't have the time or willpower to 1cc stuff like Cave stuff though. Does the extremely high difficulty piss people off or something?
>>6978231
incredibly ironic post

[Anonymous No.6978809]

>>6978795
just jarpigs seething and having ricky retardo living rent free on their minds, they don't really care about shmups it's just a cope.

[Anonymous No.6978828]

shmups are ''fun''
pic related

[Anonymous No.6978917]

>>6978275
>b-but muh Daigo
The very same Daigo said "Garegga is life", but yep keep hating on shmups just because some retard(o) assblasted you

[Anonymous No.6978927]

>>6978231
Shmupg doesn't exists anymore, and its remnants is 90% shitposting 10% sporadic bursts from tardo and cee yet the rent free is real and this thread proves it. Shmups make some /vr/ posters insecure as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6978959]

this board sucks.

[Anonymous No.6978984]

>>6978959
have sex incel

[Anonymous No.6978991]

>>6978984
Alright. Gimme your address, we'll fix two problems in one go.

[Anonymous No.6978994]

>>6978991
u need a woman asap

>>6978795
>Why does /vr/ make shmupcels seethe
fixed

[Anonymous No.6978995]

>>6978994
Yeah exactly. Gimme your address.

[Anonymous No.6978997]

>Darius on that list
I'll beat the shit out of you, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6978998]

>>6972235
I'm not shmuptist, but that's one genre that's essentially nothing but gameplay, so I don't see how you could credibly accuse it of being style over substance. The real answer is point and click adventure games, nothing else even comes close. It's incredible how they managed to dress up the same shitty pixel hunts which isn't gameplay over and over with a new coat of paint each time, and stupid fucks kept buying it.
>>6976095
You mean like how any disagreement on matters of taste on /vr/ is just:
>zoom zoom
From one 30 something dude to another 30 something dude?

[Anonymous No.6979002]

>>6978998
>so I don't see how you could credibly accuse it of being style over substance.
their art and presentation hide their braindead tap left tap right game loops

>>6978997
good, rage more

[Anonymous No.6979004]

>>6979002
>good, rage more
I would, but Taito are even bigger niggers than you. $100 for the complete Darius collection. What a bunch of crook-nosed Japanese spooks.

[Anonymous No.6979010]

>>6979002
>their art and presentation hide their braindead tap left tap right game loops
this is what jarpigs actually think shmups are

[Anonymous No.6979013]

>>6979002
You could cynically reduce every genre to something as simple as that (every fps is a braindead head clicker, etc). With a game, style is the aesthetic, and substance is the gameplay. Style over substance is putting the aesthetic before the gameplay. Now it may not be to your taste, and that's fine, I don't particularly like shmups, but there's no gameplay sacrifice for the aesthetic. If anything, the aesthetic usually seems tacked on, or even interchangeable.

[Anonymous No.6979031]

>>6979013
>You could cynically reduce every genre to something as simple as that
no
pretty much all arcade games were made to be credit fed
so u get braindead gameplay from start to finish

[Anonymous No.6979032]

>>6979031
And how is copying a replay any better lmao?

[Anonymous No.6979039]

>>6979032
ok good point

[Anonymous No.6979040]

>>6979031
>pretty much all arcade games were made to be credit fed
Well yeah, but that doesn't make them braindead, that just makes them poorly balanced, or more accurately, balanced for profit rather than for creating an enjoyable experience for the player.

[Anonymous No.6979051]

>>6979032
>can think strats on his own
the jarpig mentality.

[Anonymous No.6979052]

>>6979051
>playing efficiently is jarpig
based jarpig desu

[Anonymous No.6979056]

>>6979032
>can't think strats on his on
the jarpig mentality
>>6979052
>playing
>jrpg
pick one retard, you are barely better than vnfags

[Anonymous No.6979057]

>>6979056

[Anonymous No.6979070]

>>6979057
except retardo literally lives in your head 24/7? lmao, if you want to play boring braindead jrpg shit it's your take, but trying to shit on a superior genre just because ricky makes you butthurt is pathetic

[Anonymous No.6979073]

>>6979031
You can't even type in coherent sentences. Why would anyone consider what you are trying to say. You blithering idiot.

[Anonymous No.6979091]

>>6972235
YOU FOOL! THE STYLE *IS* THE SUBSTANCE!

[Anonymous No.6979101]

>>6977442
>Kirby
Not quite. The bosses is where most of Kirby's substance lies, especially the post game content with the harder bosses, *especially* if you forego using copy abilities to cheese them.

[Anonymous No.6979118]

I honestly do not get this retarded thread.
I haven't really played shmups before, but when I played ZeroRanger I was instantly enthralled. It was absolutely amazing. It's hard, so I haven't beat it yet, but I WANT to beat it because the challenge is just so compelling and the mechanics are so tight. I don't get how anyone could think that a game like that is just some braindead affair. Speaking as a newcomer here, do people on this board just lack a sincere love for game mechanics or something?

[Anonymous No.6979343]

>>6979118
>zero ranger
not retro.
eat some pussy instead of playing that pussy shit

[Anonymous No.6979361]

>>6972235
are you saying that shmups are bad?

pretty much even the worse shmups are fun to play for a few levels, maybe you've just played too many RPGs and expect all games to be 60 hour long epic movies or something

[Anonymous No.6979382]

>>6978994
Retardo is a dumbass lying fake news spreader cunt but he's also the very reason you posted this thread, OP.
So yeah, rent free, seethe, rage, you name it.

[Anonymous No.6979484]

>>6972235
>pay artists to make awesome sprites and cover art
>game developers drop the ball
>companies go out of business
must've sucked to be an artist associated with shmup companies

[Anonymous No.6979575]

>>6979118
The whole shmup hate is just some misguided "community bad = game bad". This is ignoring the fact that most shmup communities outside of 4chan are actually very pleasant, too. It's why you see people talking about "jarpigs" or whoever the fuck "ricky retardo" is. It's like I'm reading some grand conspiracy, when the real explanation is that /vr/ users are just autistic.

[Anonymous No.6979591]

>>6979484
yes but don't forget the musicians

[Anonymous No.6979605]

>>6979484
god i wish we could sacrifice the cancer that are AAA games so we can get AA games again. Indies can only do so much for shmups.

[Anonymous No.6979670]

>>6979575
it's no conspiracy that the majority of /vr/ are retarded shitters who require games to have progression systems in order to enjoy them because they're unable to play real games which you need to actually learn to beat.

[Anonymous No.6979718]

>>6976919
>thinking the opinion of fucking clam of all people matters
wew

[Anonymous No.6979732]

>>6979670
Mastering a shmup doesn't make you cool or interesting or special. Stop acting like a cunt and maybe people won't pick on you so much.

[Anonymous No.6979738]

>>6979732
Not him, but you just proved his point. Where did he even imply that 1cc'ing a shmup made him cool or special? I'm not gonna deny that there are elitists in the shmup community, but then we have people like you, who take it personally whenever shmup players brag about how hard they worked for a 1cc.

[Anonymous No.6979743]

>>6979738
>why am I persecuted
>it's because you act like a cunt
>SEE YOU'RE THE ONE ASSAULTING HIM THAT'S THE REASON WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
Shmup general was fucking cancer in itself and then it spilled onto the rest of the board. Don't blame people for telling these retards to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6979750]

>>6979743
And yet here we are, in a thread made to shit on shmups. What you're doing isn't some justice to combat shmup autists, it's just some ridiculous seethe about old news. No one cares about shmupg anymore; if you like shmups then post in shmup in their threads, but if you don't, post in literally any other thread. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.6979754]

>>6979750
That was my first post in the thread and it was to answer a guy who seriously thinks JRPG fans are conspiring to get him. Get fucked or at least get off your high horse.

[Anonymous No.6979765]

>>6979754
Since when are JRPGs the only games with progression systems? The vast majority of games have them. And I'm not getting off my "high horse" if that means going full autism and shitting up JRPG and shmup threads just because of some stupid grudge.

[Anonymous No.6979828]

>>6979670
t. (you)

[Anonymous No.6979838]

Style IS substance in games. It directly affects how games feel.

[Anonymous No.6979862]

>>6979838
I see what you're saying but it would be better to say ''style is part of substance''

[Anonymous No.6979897]

>>6978276
Actually I do realize that, of which is why I used an actual shit game as an example.

[Anonymous No.6979903]

The year is 20XX. The entire world is made from shit. The mountains have turned to towering piles of shit, oceans have been replaced by rancid diarrhea shits, and fecal plumes infest the air. All life forms are now shit based, people have been replaced by sentient balls of shit that gracefully float through the air like jellyfish. Somewhere in New York City, the camera pans to a tomb buried deep beneath the city and immense shit. The camera dramatically zooms onto a plaque, which reads:
"Here lies /shmupg/. Rest in shit."

[Anonymous No.6979912]

This is the reason why we hate shmuptrannies
>>6977280

[Anonymous No.6979924]

>>6979912
Stay mad Trashurecuck.

Ikaruga is shit.
Radiant Silvergun is shit.
Gradius V is shit.
Sin & Punishment is shit.
Bangai-O is shit.

Go play some real shmups like Dodonpachi Daioujou.

[Anonymous No.6979934]

>>6979924
thanks for proving my point subhuman

[Anonymous No.6979945]

>>6979903
based

[Anonymous No.6979946]

>>6979903
ebin :^)

[Anonymous No.6979947]

Terranigma. That's *exactly* the game that leaps to mind.

[Anonymous No.6979969]

6979924

[Anonymous No.6980082]

question, when does this get good? I'm finish stage 3 and it's sooooo sleepy,,,ZzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzz. And it a visual nightmare hard to look at too much stuff on the screen.

[Anonymous No.6980678]

>>6979924
Sin & Punishment is great because it doesn't play like every other shmup to ever exist like 99.9% of games in the genre. Does it even count a shmup at that point?

[Anonymous No.6980724]

>>6979924
>Trashure is shit
>Lists four great games, and one good one
Most real dodonpachi daioujou players would probably endorse Treasure shmups too.
>>6980678
You're both retarded, Sin and Punishment is a fucking rail shooter, not a shmup. Also
>99.9% of games in the genre play the same
Are you telling me that
>Radiant Silvergun
>Ikaruga
>Deathsmiles
>Eschatos
>Hellsinker
>Akashicverse
>ZeroRanger
>Battle Garegga
>Gradius
>R-Type
>Super Aleste
>Dodonpachi DOJ
>Blue Revolver
>Mushihimesama
>Touhou
>Dodonpachi DFK
>fucking Parodius
all play the same?

[Anonymous No.6980734]

>>6980724
The vert shooters all play like each other and the same for the horizontal ones.

[Anonymous No.6980749]

>>6980734
By your logic, it sounds like every single game in a genre plays like each other. Every 2D platformer plays the same, every turn-based JRPG plays the same, every WRPG plays the same, every visual novel plays the same (this one is true), every horror game plays the same, etc. And superficially, that's the entire point of a genre. If they played wildly differently, they wouldn't be in the same genre. But if you look beneath the surface, you'll find a wide variety of differences.

But of course, you haven't played more than like, three of the games on that list, so you wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.6980752]

>>6980749
>But if you look beneath the surface, you'll find a wide variety of differences.
Except in the shmup genre where every game literally plays the exact same way.

[Anonymous No.6980759]

>>6980752
Anon, you can't even switch polarity in Dodonpachi, how could it and Ikaruga (for example) play exactly the same?

[Anonymous No.6980760]

>>6980759
Ikaruga is a rare example of a shump with unique mechanics that actually make the game play different, notice how many shmupfags hate it because it's not the same exact thing for the thousandth time.

[Anonymous No.6980761]

>>6972235
holy fuck the autism

[Anonymous No.6980763]

>>6979057
Criminally based.

[Anonymous No.6980771]

>>6980760
So we agree. Now here's a harder one; care to explain how Eschatos, Hellsinker, Dodonpachi, and Touhou play exactly the same?

[Anonymous No.6980776]

>>6980760
I'm of the opinion the Trashure posters are one or two people. One is a hipster who hates Treasure because they're popular. The other is an N64 fan who thinks every Treasure game outside of the N64 is a "gimmick". Just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.6980778]

>>6980760
Great Mahou did the polarity switch before Ikaruga

Funny how jarpigs love to hate on a genre they know fuck all about

[Anonymous No.6980780]

>>6980771
>care to explain how Eschatos, Hellsinker, Dodonpachi, and Touhou play exactly the same?
You dodge the dots and hold down the fire button, maybe use bombs if you mess up.
>>6980778
That makes two games with a mechanic other than dodge dots and shoot/bomb.

[Anonymous No.6980781]

>>6980778
Call it Dimahoo you retarded hipster faggot.

[Anonymous No.6980782]

>>6980780
>That makes two games with a mechanic other than dodge dots and shoot/bomb.
Thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.6980784]

>>6980781
Suck my dick and back to elf you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.6980789]

>>6980782
Your point was that there were two shumps with a unique mechanic outside of being a floating hurtbox dodging a pattern of hitboxes?

[Anonymous No.6980793]

>>6980780
>You dodge the dots and hold down the fire button, maybe use bombs if you mess up
Anon... have you played these games? Genuine question. Because your post reads like someone who hasn't played those games.

[Anonymous No.6980796]

>>6980789
My point is you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.6980797]

R-Type's pod shield > Ikaruga's polarity shield

Trashure loses once again.

[Anonymous No.6980804]

>>6980797
Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun's OST > R-Type's OST

/vr/bros... how could this happen to us...

[Anonymous No.6980805]

>>6980793
I have not. Why would I lose precious time with shoot 'n moves when Final Fantasy is a thing. Think about it logically.

[Anonymous No.6980806]

>>6980793
Of those games you mentioned I've played Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi. I've obviously played more games in the genre outside that and they in fact all play the exact same way.

[Anonymous No.6980808]

>>6980805
>Why would I lose precious time with this thing when I could lose precious time with that thing
Come on man

[Anonymous No.6980810]

>>6980806
Genuine retard

[Anonymous No.6980813]

>>6980810
Compelling argument. You know I'm right.

[Anonymous No.6980825]

>>6980805
>>6980806
That's fair enough. But then, think about this logically. How can you possibly say most games in the genre play the same when you haven't played most games in the genre? Just because the Dodonpachi games are similar to each other, doesn't mean that Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi are similar to each other.

It's like me saying that every game in the FF series is similar just because FF1 and FF3 are.

[Anonymous No.6980827]

>>6980825
>doesn't mean that Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi are similar to each other.
But they are similar.

[Anonymous No.6980831]

>>6972235
this pic is from shmupg circa 2016 or 2017

have you been ass mad for 3 years, OP?

RENT FREE

[Anonymous No.6980836]

>>6980827
>games from the same genre share similarities
and?

[Anonymous No.6980841]

>muh jarpigs are so much deeper and more nuanced than shmups
>spam attack from a menu for 99% of battles
>have the same point a to point b dungeons
>have the same cliche save the world story

[Anonymous No.6980843]

>>6980836
The problem is the genre is so samey and lacking in innovation or creativity. Same thing with fighting games and JRPGs. Once the Japanese got the "perfect" formula for these genres every game became the same thing but reskinned.

[Anonymous No.6980854]

>>6980843
This holds true way more often for Western-dominant generes than other genres. There's far more innovation in the shmup genre, than, say, first-person shooters or open-world games or cinematic experiences. It's gotten to the point where devs like Rockstar or Activision or Ubisoft legitimately just take one game, and reskin them ad nauseum. Meanwhile over in JRPGs, you have Persona 5, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and Dragon Quest 11 in the same generation. Fighting games have DBFZ, Injustice 2, Skullgirls, Smash (technically), UNICLR, Tekken, DoA6, etc. Shmups have taken a hit since they are nowhere near as popular as they used to be, but even then they are far deeper than you give them credit for.

[Anonymous No.6980870]

>>6980797
You will never be a shmup player australia-kun.

[Anonymous No.6980882]

>>6980843
Sure, games feel samey when your experience of the genre is youtube and a 25 minutes credit fed session on DDP.

[Anonymous No.6980883]

>>6972235
Your pic makes sense if you consider gameplay to be style and story to be substance.

[Anonymous No.6980889]

>>6980854
>There's far more innovation in the shmup genre, than, say, first-person shooters
First person shooters can easily be broken up into different eras and even within those eras there are outliers like Goldeneye and Half Life.

[Anonymous No.6980907]

>>6980889
Not really, you just move and shoot at enemies in all of them, right?

[Anonymous No.6980917]

>>6980907
No those games have actual levels with different level design and enemies with AI and mechanical differences that directly effect how the game is played. The difference between Goldeneye and Doom is greater than the minuscule differences between shmups.

[Anonymous No.6980920]

>>6980917
Not really. The different level design just amounts to you moving a little differently. The enemy AI differences just result in you shooting a little differently. The biggest difference between Goldeneye and Doom are the graphics, but other than that they are really similar; you just move and shoot at enemies.

[Anonymous No.6980930]

>>6980920
I know what you're trying to do but it just doesn't make sense. Anybody can look at the gameplay of the two FPS games in question and within seconds see the differences. You could put Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi footage back to back and everyone would instantly see they're basically the same game.

[Anonymous No.6980939]

>>6980930
>You could put Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi footage back to back and everyone would instantly see they're basically the same game.
I'm working on a 1cc for both of these games and I can say with certainty that this statement is retarded.

[Anonymous No.6980943]

>>6980930
Not true. If you compare the gameplay or Halo, Goldeneye, Doom (not Eternal), and Call of Duty, they're legitimately the same thing. They all just amount to moving and shooting in a 3D space. Any differences you see are due to their different graphics and art styles.

[Anonymous No.6980946]

>>6980943
I can also say with certainty that this statement is equally retarded

[Anonymous No.6980947]

>>6980930
>You could put Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi footage back to back and everyone would instantly see they're basically the same game.
Not true of shmups with actual level design such as Gradius and R-Type. People respect those games a hell of a lot more than Caveshit or Touhoushit.

[Anonymous No.6980954]

>>6980943
Once again this no u technique just doesn't work when the differences between the games is immediately obvious.

[Anonymous No.6980959]

>>6980947
Everyone outside of /vr/ shitposters respects Gradius, R-Type, CAVE, and arguably Touhou.

[Anonymous No.6980961]

>>6980954
As I said, the only obvious differences are the graphics. Can you really say with a straight face that there is more to them than just moving and shooting in a 3D environment?

[Anonymous No.6980965]

>>6980961
You could've attempted to elaborate on the differences between Touhou 6 and Dodonpachi instead of acting like a moron.

[Anonymous No.6980973]

>>6980965
Let's be real here. Had I done that, you would've just kept on with your "no trust me bro you just move and shoot and bomb it's all the same". The whole "entire genre is the same" argument is always incredibly disingenuous. I hope you realize that by now.

Besides visual novels. The only genre that is universally dogshit are visual novels. Holy fuck, what an embarassing genre, filled to the brim with people who can't draw, compose music, write, or code well enough for a real game.

[Anonymous No.6980979]

>>6980973
You can't do it since there is no difference.

[Anonymous No.6981373]

>>6980825
>>6980749
Fact you're overreacting this hard shows other guy is right and shmups must be criminally similar. Enough to hit a sperg nerve when it's mentioned!

[Anonymous No.6981387]

>>6980959
>touhou and Cave alongside actual classics
Oh mein sides zey are finished

[Anonymous No.6981430]

>>6975131

Toy Story being a good example. It's arguably the most technically accomplished game of the 16 bit era. But the gameplay and level design could have been done on an NES.

[Anonymous No.6981585]

How accurate is this? Guy on a shmup forum posted it

[Anonymous No.6981718]

>>6981585
they should all be in C or D tier. to be honest.

[Anonymous No.6981725]

>>6981585
Pretty bad tbf

[Anonymous No.6982018]

>>698094
Spoken like a true dad. You credit feed right?
Dodopachi level design is its ennemy placement, chaining routes and pattern designs. Of course a credit feeder with a surface level approach of these games wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.6982025]

>deleted post
Lmao that was ricky. Dude Bil assblasted you, remain silent for a few weeks faggot lying piece of junk.

Catalunia is Spain you commie bastard!!

[Anonymous No.6982159]

>>6982025
>Dude Bil assblasted you, remain silent for a few weeks faggot lying piece of junk.

[Anonymous No.6982392]

how did one little picture cause so much triggering?? Are shmupcels soooo insecure they need everyone to agree with them??

[Anonymous No.6982908]

>>6982392
Yes

[Anonymous No.6983145]

>>6982018
if there's no terrain then it's not real level design. sorry kiddo, but your shmups are for faggots.

[Anonymous No.6983154]

>>6983145
crashing into scenery and dying is peak bad design

[Anonymous No.6983160]

crash bandicoot 1 and I think its a really fun game but all your really doing is moving your character to dodge things and the side scrolling section have pretty stilted movement. Theres no real momentum for the chacter, its like an atari 2600 game in that sense. The fun comes from the atomsphere and wanting to see what happens next.

[Anonymous No.6983812]

>>6983145
post a replay of you doing the cube rush.
oh, you can't? guessed so.

[Anonymous No.6983968]

>>6983812
>cube rush
>level terrain
Based retard.

[Anonymous No.6984109]

>>6975131
6/10 was pretty good for a PS1 game

[Anonymous No.6984585]

>>6983145
>posing this hard
*snap*
this one's going in my poser folder...
if you're gonna shill old shmups and shit on Cave you have to post your replay

[Anonymous No.6984623]

>>6984585
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU JUST CAN'T DISLIKE CAVE SHMUPS

[Anonymous No.6984748]

>>6984623
>NOOO YOU CAN'T CALL OUT MY SHITPOSTS!

[Anonymous No.6984801]

>going full shmup
lmao

[Anonymous No.6984809]

>>6984801
based, college is a meme especially in a japan

[Anonymous No.6984818]

>>6984801
he was already destined for failure by being an animetard anyways

[Anonymous No.6984849]

>>6984801
>pedo shmupcel ruined his life
good

>>6984809
depends, college can't hide autism

[Anonymous No.6984870]

>>6984849
>college can't hide autism

[Anonymous No.6984994]

FPS games for me. Especially and particularly ones that are more realistic than sci-fi.
They're all the same stupid PEW-PEW shit made for people with no access to real guns or who hate the sting of paintballs or airsoft/BBs on their pussy-ass little bodies.
Sci-Fi FPS use fantastical weapons and other crazy shit to make them worth it, and there the substance is found.

[Anonymous No.6985120]

>>6984994
kind of agree, Unreal Tourney was really fun and exciting, but slow tactical realistic shooters don't appeal to me, since I'm literally a trained S.W.A.T professional irl

[Anonymous No.6985135]

>>6983145
What about Deathsmiles?

[Anonymous No.6985157]

>>6985135
would be based if it didn't have the pedo fanservice elements

[Anonymous No.6985191]

dadshit shmups? don't mind if I do!

[Anonymous No.6985198]

>>6985157
Based.

[Anonymous No.6985202]

>>6984994
>Especially and particularly ones that are more realistic than sci-fi
>made for people with no access to real guns
That's a really bad example. I know so many gun owners where first person shooters were their gateway drug to firearm collection, myself included. I'm curious as to why you'd have that impression, it almost seems like some bizarre ausfag/eurocuck cope.

[Anonymous No.6985206]

>>6985157
Sounds like you're a homosexual which isn't a surprise for someone who hates shmups.

[Anonymous No.6985208]

>>6985206
t. has never checked shmup twitter

[Anonymous No.6985212]

>>6985208
>twitter
Proof positive like your AIDS ridden anus.

[Anonymous No.6985219]

>>6984801
>@lmt_enche
>messed up my future
>ruined personality
>messed up my wrist
>failed school
>twitter likes include pedo pictures
lol
shmup players are eternally coping with their past mistakes, sexual frustrations and having no prospects in life

[Anonymous No.6985225]

>>6984801
Dumbass should've taken the Eaglet-pill.
>>6985219
It's all about will-power not the genre.

[Anonymous No.6985240]

>>6985212
I’d rather have AIDS than read Twitter

[Anonymous No.6985242]

>>6985202
I've just found that most people I've seen who are into FPS games are not into guns themselves or refuse to get them, even illegally.
I'm in Florida so guns are a way of life, as are some pretty good drugs and other assorted awesome.
Nobody said objectivity was a requirement ITT. Glad you took the gun pill.

[Anonymous No.6985246]

>>6983968
> your post
> reading comprehension
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.6985248]

>>6985242
>I'm in Florida so guns are a way of life
Fellow gunshine state anon!

[Anonymous No.6985249]

>>6984801
So there are him and gus. That's 2. How many RPGcels live like this though? Probably millions all around the world.

[Anonymous No.6985316]

>>6985249
>only 2 shmupcels exist

[Anonymous No.6985587]

Turn based RPGS
Nice story and graphics, non existent gameplay

[Anonymous No.6985801]

>>6985587
>nice story
>no gameplay
really? I don't play them for story, I like the gameplay

[Anonymous No.6985912]

>>6985219
@lmt_enche
what a loser

[Anonymous No.6985947]

>>6972235
Some people might say Legend of Mana
But ironically enough, it has some of the deepest systems I've encountered in any JRPG

[Anonymous No.6986232]

>>6985947
it's okay