/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6926835]

If you emulate on anything with the option of save states you didn't really beat the game or play the way it's intended. The best emulation experience is downloading all the wads for Wii virtual Console and beating them in their unaltered state. Change my mind.

[Anonymous No.6926847]

If I'm stuck for over 20 minutes fuck you I'm savestating. You can email your complaint to [e-mail].

[Anonymous No.6926848]

>>6926835
>If you emulate on anything with the option of save states you didn't really beat the game or play the way it's intended.
Based.
>The best emulation experience is downloading all the wads for Wii virtual Console and beating them in their unaltered state.
Cringe. Even the Nintendo game VC releases aren't as accurate as running them in a homebrew emulator and are especially inferior compared to a Libreto core on a computer.

[Anonymous No.6926849]

I save scum and I don't care what some sweaty nerds on 4chan have to say about it

[Anonymous No.6926850]

>>6926835
>the way it's intended
Oh, shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.6926853]

>super ghouls 'n ghosts
>garbage autoscrollers in the sunken ship and meat levels
Whoops I guess my finger accidentally slipped onto the savescum button

[Anonymous No.6926854]

>>6926848
Cringe. Even the Nintendo game VC releases aren't as accurate as running them in a homebrew emulator and are especially inferior compared to a Libreto core on a computer.

Wrong. Homebrew games give you the option of save states. If you have to gimp yourself it's not the real way to play. For that same reason most arcade rereleases are also not legit since they give you infinite continues.

[Anonymous No.6926857]

>>6926853
>Whoops I guess my finger accidentally slipped onto the savescum button

See? You're in a rush to beat these games to remove them from your backlog so you resort to savestates when the going gets rough.

[Anonymous No.6926863]

>>6926835
Get out of here Mike. This argument is just boomers complaining that they didn't have it easy like kids these days. Old games "weren't intended to be played with save states" because putting any RAM or god forbid Flash in cartridges was too expensive, and making games Nintendo Hard (TM), just like today, was a way to extend the "play time" in reviews and ads. A game with 40 hours of play time is not twice as good as one with 20 hours if it's just because I have to redo every single fucking thing twice. Old megahard game design was just lazy developers disrespecting their players, not "le ebin Dork Soles hard game design"!

[Anonymous No.6926872]

>>6926847
FPBP
/thread

[Anonymous No.6926880]

>>6926835
I'll just play on 3DS with nintendo/sega sanctioned saved stating

[Anonymous No.6926881]

>Old megahard game design was just lazy developers disrespecting their players

[Anonymous No.6926883]

>>6926835
>the way it's intended
I don't give a shit how it was intended.

[Anonymous No.6926886]

But playing with either a wii remote or a classic controller sucks

[Anonymous No.6926887]

>>6926857
As opposed to what? Feeding quarters until you memorize every gotcha moment? I don't think anyone but speedrunners are interested in that type of game design today.

[Anonymous No.6926891]

>>6926881
More about attempting to extract as many shekels from arcade gamers as possible, and early consoles being all about arcade games at home, and thus aping that design philosophy.

[Anonymous No.6926930]

>>6926887
>As opposed to what?
Actually getting good at games. I know a foreign concept to the modern gamer.

[Anonymous No.6926951]

>>6926930
>getting good
By feeding quarters or restarting until you memorize every gotcha moment?

[Anonymous No.6926952]

>>6926951
No by learning the game. Once again I know the idea of not just blowing through a game with zero effort or failure is a foreign concept to you.

[Anonymous No.6926960]

>>6926952
>by learning the game
You mean feeding quarters or restarting until you memorize every gotcha moment? Or are you somehow 'learning the game' and 1ccing it your first try?

[Anonymous No.6926961]

>>6926960
No I mean by failing and learning from your mistakes. I guess that too could be a foreign concept to you.

[Anonymous No.6926965]

>>6926961
What you actually mean is that you're doing exactly as I've said, you're just being a bitter contrarian about it.

[Anonymous No.6926971]

>>6926965
I would not consider scrub clearing a game with continues to be getting good.

[Anonymous No.6926979]

>>6926971
>restarting until you memorize every gotcha moment
>failing and learning from your mistakes
This is the same thing. Are you just arguing because you're angry that I'm dismissive towards arcade game design?

[Anonymous No.6926983]

>>6926887
>>6926951
Look at this castrated femboy zoom zoom. He's gotten so used to modern games always holding his hand throughout the whole thing, constantly reassuring them how awesome they are, never offering any actual challenge whatsoever, anything that requires any brainpower is done in a non-interactive cutscene or done by one of the players invincible NPC buddies that guide them down the extremely linear wavy line level design so the retard doesn't get lost. The concept of actually needing to fully grasp the mechanics of the game and master them to complete an actual challenge is completely foreign to him, thus the frustration and confusion sets in when a retro game doesn't give him any of these crutches, the zoom zoom cannot cope with the fact that it isn't a flawless perfect special snowflake and thus takes out its anger on the game, no zoom zoom would EVER blame themselves or push themselves to get better, that would require actual thought, actual intelligence and a humble attitude, you would never get any of these things from a generation that is completely incapable of thinking for itself. No wonder so many Zoomer girls fuck niggers like crazy now, your whole goddamn generation is absolutely pathetic beyond words.

[Anonymous No.6926984]

>>6926979
I guess you could say I'm just a little disgusted someone would be such a casual pussy they whine and complain about having to get good at video games. You could try being a man.

[Anonymous No.6927003]

>>6926983
At the point you have devolved into actual anger at the concept that arcade games may be designed in a manner hostile to players and yet addictive to maximize revenue, you have both actually accepted the premise, and have outed yourself as a bitter old boomer whose opinions can be discarded. Show us on the doll where Ms. Pacman touched you.

[Anonymous No.6927008]

>>6926984
you think video games have anything to do with manhood? you're screwed

[Anonymous No.6927010]

>>6927008
Anyone enough of a pansy to bitch about retro games being too hard is a class A estrogent.

[Anonymous No.6927014]

I will never play my retro shit on a fucking Wii. No matter how much you idiots bring it up. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6927015]

>>6927010
or maybe they don't have 8 hours a day to spend on video games?

[Anonymous No.6927018]

>>6926983
>modern games never offer any actual challenge whatsoever
Stopped reading here, couldn't be bothered to finish that schizo rant, but imagine being so far gone that actually believe this.
>>6926984
I'm perfectly fine with tough but fair game design. The core gameplay should feature a reasonable difficulty curve, and offering extremely difficult optional content. Crash 3 would be a great example of this in retro gaming, where getting to and beating Cortex is challenging yet fair, and getting 105% completion requires mastery of every level. An example of a modern game like this would be Hollow Knight, with a tough but fair story, and crushingly difficult optional/dlc bosses that demand high level play.

[Anonymous No.6927031]

>>6927008
Uh, they obviously do dipshit. There's a difference between playing a jrpg and a competitive first person shooter. Females are notorious for liking puzzle and sim games, but I digress. The point is that your gaming habits say something about who you are, just like the clothes you wear, movies you like and to some extent music you listen to.

Now it might be argued that playing videogames is to a degree contrary to manhood in the first place but then that's what we're all here for.

[Anonymous No.6927032]

>>6927018
>I'm perfectly fine with tough but fair game design
Translation: I'm only able to play games people pretend are difficult, but not actually difficult games.

[Anonymous No.6927036]

>>6927031
you're a fucking moron

[Anonymous No.6927049]

>>6927031
Poe's law in full effect here.
>>6927032
If that's what you need to tell yourself to keep your gamer cred intact, sure, we can go with that.

[Anonymous No.6927059]

>>6927049
>If that's what you need to tell yourself to keep your gamer cred intact, sure, we can go with that.
You're the one with enough of a bruised ego to claim that every game too hard for yourself simply isn't fair.

[Anonymous No.6927072]

so basically to sum it up, if you play through VC games on Wii U, 3DS, or SNES/NES classic, you didn't really beat it but if you have a Wii or the original hardware it's legit. Are we all in agreement?

[Anonymous No.6927117]

>>6927059
Again, if it comforts you to think that, by all means. I prefer games that don't feature a design philosophy that was originally devised as a means to cynically extract as many quarters from a player as possible. I enjoy a wealth of games across nearly every genre, you enjoy sidescrollers and shmups. That's perfectly okay. You do you, champ.

[Anonymous No.6927126]

>>6927018
>The core gameplay should feature a reasonable difficulty curve, and offering extremely difficult optional content.
Aka waste your time on casual garbage to unlock some extra challenge modes that devs threw together in a few hours before release. Fuck that shit desu

[Anonymous No.6927125]

>>6927117
>you enjoy sidescrollers and shmups.

not him but why even play those types of games if you're just gonna trivialize them with save states?

[Anonymous No.6927149]

>>6927125
Whatever fun you think is gained by "climbing the mountain" I have lost in frustration up to that point. It isn't worth it. I don't play video games for that reason. There's no sense of joy and accomplishment like in real life regarding something like education, work, or romance. Video games are just another form of entertainment media. I don't take any extra pleasure in listening to more "complex" music so why would I feel any differently about video games?
Before you sperg, I'm arguing on behalf of myself. If video games give you that killer rush of finally beating the level, you do you, but I've done that and I don't have the patience anymore. I know what I'm missing and I love missing it. I'm not playing for the same reason as you.

[Anonymous No.6927154]

>>6927149
>I don't take any extra pleasure in listening to more "complex" music so why would I feel any differently about video games?

jesus christ no wonder modern games have gone to shit. They're made with tired zoomers in mind who just hit adulthood and only have enough energy to play the latest walking sim in short bursts.

[Anonymous No.6927175]

>>6927154
I'm 30. I'll continue to enjoy games how I want to, and I don't care what you think.

[Anonymous No.6927194]

>>6927125
I can understand why someone would use a state to checkpoint the beginning of each level in something like Hard Corps if they just want to experience the game. If they really engage with it by the end, maybe they end up replaying it and mastering it legitimately. If you love a certain game, surely you'd want as many people to experience it as possible. Gatekeeping over save states is just as silly as a tranny speedrunner shitting on you for "only" being able to 1cc a game, rather than 1ccing it in X:XX.

>>6927149
Another good point.

>>6927154
Serious question, do you really think everyone who doesn't share your narrow view of gaming was born in gen Z, or has it just become a catch-all replacement of old cuckchan's 'faggot' for you?

[Radiochan !FhErN6z1NQ No.6927201]

>>6926835
What if I'm save stating on original hardware?

[Anonymous No.6927204]

>>6927194
>gatekeeping
>defending savestate use
Can you fuck off back to where ever the fuck you came from?

[Anonymous No.6927220]

>>6927204
Been here since 2008. Again why do you care so much how other people are enjoying their games? Do you have a fit when other people order pineapple on their pizza? I can't imagine who you are to be do troubled by other people doing things that don't affect you. Maybe you are the one who should go back to /v/ because that board is nothing but people complaining about other people. Leave the rest of us to discuss the games we enjoy.

[Anonymous No.6927223]

>>6926847
So many assmad replies ITT about the "sanctity of the original experience" and not a single reply even tried raising a point vs this post because it's fucking unbeatable

FPBP

[Anonymous No.6927229]

>>6927175
>I'm 30
millenial then whatever

[Anonymous No.6927235]

>>6927223
What point? he just said he throws a tantrum if he gets stuck in a game and resorts to savestating.

[Anonymous No.6927236]

>>6927220
>i've been posting since X year
There is no bigger newfag signal than this. Get out you casual interloper.

[Anonymous No.6927237]

>>6927204
I've been posting on cuckchan since '06. Since you're losing your shit over a phrase that accurately describes exactly what you're doing, perhaps you could dilate, and fuck back off to resetera.

[Anonymous No.6927242]

>>6927235
Got a problem with it? Send an email.

[Anonymous No.6927251]

>>6926835
or you could always just not use save states retard. it's an OPTION for a reason

[Anonymous No.6927258]

>>6927237
Ah going with '06, very nice. Nobody will ever fall for it though. Now fuck off along with the other causal faggot ITT.

[Anonymous No.6927263]

>>6927251
>gimping yourself

just the option of having it dulls the experience.

[Anonymous No.6927269]

>>6926835
>wads
that is not what they are called stupid zoomer faggot

[Anonymous No.6927275]

>>6927126
Having to beat the game to unlock a harder new game+ or Hard mode sounds great on paper but it usually means having to waste time playing a game that is much easier than what you want, thus it becomes a boring slog. Thankfully many retro games provide passwords or cheats to unlock that feature early.

[Anonymous No.6927280]

>>6927258
You do understand that you can't win this argument, right?

[Anonymous No.6927289]

>>6927280
What is this argument about again? If you're trying to prove you aren't a casual faggot you failed, if your point was that you're le oldfag that failed even harder the instant you used the word "gatekeeping". You pretty much suck at arguing online as much as you suck at video games, too bad you can't savestate back to before you posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.6927295]

>>6927015
Most retro games can be beat in a half hour to two hours. If you don't have enough time to practice a half hour a day then you don't have time for modern video games either and you have the wrong hobby.

[Anonymous No.6927307]

>>6927295
You raise some points, I have decided to quit video gaming forever because this guy over here tells me I'm not enjoying my hobby correctly. I would like to apologize to 4chan for being such a dumb fuck, I will never game again, amen.

[Anonymous No.6927319]

>>6927289
>nooo stop you can't use this word
>g-go back!
It couldn't be more obvious that you're a false flagging tourist.

[Anonymous No.6927321]

>>6927319
Gatekeeping is a term that will never be used by someone with even an ounce of testosterone in their body or any actual oldfag.

[Anonymous No.6927323]

>>6927289
>too bad you can't savestate back to before you posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.6927324]

>>6927321
>no true oldfag
Heh.

[Anonymous No.6927334]

>>6927324
What I'm wondering why do interlopers always without fail resort to the same tired old tradition of pretending to be an epic oldfag? Two of you did it in response to me calling one of you out on being an outsider.

[Anonymous No.6927341]

>>6927334
You're the kind of faggot who thinks he's an oldfag but doesn't even know you used to be able to post without captcha. Go ahead and pretend you knew, electionfaggot.

[Anonymous No.6927346]

>>6927341
>You're the kind of faggot who thinks he's an oldfag but doesn't even know you used to be able to post without captcha
Someone like you? Does it take one to know one?

[Anonymous No.6927348]

>>6927346
I fucking knew it, lmao.

[Anonymous No.6927352]

>>6927334
>make irrational baseless accusation with zero proof
>receive refutation
>"haha i knew you'd say that"

[Anonymous No.6927353]

>>6927348
Knew what?

[Anonymous No.6927358]

>>6927352
>zero proof
The word "gatekeeping" is all you need for 100% definitive proof.

[Anonymous No.6927363]

>>6927358
Okay zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6927367]

>>6926835

[Anonymous No.6927381]

>>6926835
Paging Billy Mitchel

[Anonymous No.6927404]

>>6926847
/thread

[Anonymous No.6927437]

>>6926930
I am too busy 'gitting gud' at late 90s early 00s multiplayer games that are filled with people who've played thousands of hours for 2 decades. Because I value self improvement more when competition is involved.
I don't really want to experience "the journey" on singleplayer vidya unless I find the game mechanics particularly interesting or engaging. I'd rather be 'gitting gud' on stuff i'm interested in 'gitting gud' at. Something like Ghouls & Ghosts I'd probably respect the spirit of the game and play it without savestates but it's pretty funny people sperg out and cry about casuals whenever you mention savestates. Not every game demands the same amount of attention from me. You're a self centered autist.

[Anonymous No.6927438]

Ugh, it's not that i hate Castlevania, but i hate the kind of cheap traps where there is a small platform with an enemy nearby and you have massive knockback, even worse if there are enemies that can fly in erratic patterns or come from above when your character can't attack there, and one hit and it's over.

I get that it's to make a game harder, but as times goes on, it easily became the most annoying and boring kind of obstacle, as it's not fun or rewarding at all to get through those, it's really just annoying and makes you go slower than normal.

And of all things, some indie games still use this, Bloodstained Curse Of The Moon 2 has various cheap places where it's just slow or slowly disintegrating platforms and enemies put in annoying places plus knock back that will easily kill you, and you betcha that the enemies don't die in one hit after a few stages, because the enemy that spews flying spores that move left and right in a room where the floor dissapears and appears constantly really needs to take three hits to die.

It's just one kind of obstacle that i just try to pass through to get to the rest of the game, but it's easily the worst thing in many old platformers and no game ever has made those fun.

[Anonymous No.6927451]

>>6927321
I'm 06 and I use gatekeeping all the time. Language is prescriptive not descriptive and gatekeeping is a useful word that bypasses several layers of shitposting when I call someone a retarded elitist or purist. So fuck you.

[Anonymous No.6927459]

>>6926835
is this the power of zoomers even younger than me?
>their unaltered state
if you knew anything about virtual console you'd know how inaccurate most of the emulation is, also many of the roms have changes or are not the original releases

[Anonymous No.6927495]

>>6926835
You are correct.

[Anonymous No.6927520]

>>6926835
Why? Because I'm not 9 years old anymore doing the same 3 levels over and over and dying on some shitty sewer level or something?

Truth is times have changed. It seems to me. That almost all of old Nintendo games (NES era) are pretty much platformers. Avoid baddies, jump over gaps, die. We've moved on as gamers. We can enjoy these games still but what the fuck is wrong with using the odd save state?

I bet if the technology was there all the games would have had a save function anyway.

[Anonymous No.6927535]

>>6926835

[Anonymous No.6927556]

>>6926835
>If you emulate on anything with the option of save states you didn't really beat the game...
And that's where I stopped. Some of us have lives. Some of us have kids. I can see you have neither. Now cry into your pillow, lonely fucker. Sick of this fucking thread...

[Anonymous No.6927593]

>>6927556
I think it's just a troll, but seriously, there are people who are really into gatekeeping, you have to play something 100% like you would in the old days, with a CRT TV, a cartridge and the console or it doesn't count at all.

What's that, people having fun with emulators and playing their own way, fuck those zoomers, nevermind that without emulators and services to give retro games a way to be legally sold on modern systems, a lot of people wouldn't play them at all.

As it stands, there are kids playing SNES games and such just because with emulation, they are free, and well, i like that it lets these games don't get forgotten...oh, and that people are still having fun.

[Anonymous No.6927604]

>>6926835
the wii virtual console versions can savestate though

[Anonymous No.6927673]

>>6926847
/thread

[Anonymous No.6927681]

>>6926847
>stuck for over 20 minutes
>in games designed for literal 8 year olds
You should probably just reach for the bleach at that point.

[Anonymous No.6927698]

>>6926835
savestating is great for glitching games

when I was a kid I had FF1 on NES
every 2-3 weeks the game would fuck up and erase my save files


i didn't beat the game until I was an adult because of this playing on an emulator.
I used save states to ensure no fuck ups, not for cheating

either be honest or not
you're just a game nazi for failing to recognize that people do different things and enjoy different challenges

[Anonymous No.6927737]

>>6926863
this is a good post because it showcases the mentality of children who get frustrated over a bit of challenge. every "old" game is "mega-hard" and "artificially difficult", to force people to play the same game longer! they can't stand the idea of actually getting good at something, they need walkthroughs and save states so they don't ever hit a roadblock and - god forbid - have to use their brain to conquer it.

[Anonymous No.6927753]

Zoomers are deathly afraid of game overs. In their generation one is deemed a failure for life if they do anything wrong ever, as seen on social media. That's why they cheat their way through games if they "have" to, so they can avoid having to admit that they suck at something. There are many games designed to be easy and accessible in the 80s that today would be considered extremely hard by those coddled kids.

[Anonymous No.6927893]

This post really brought out all the redditors.

[Anonymous No.6927913]

There is literally no wrong way to enjoy video games

[Anonymous No.6928036]

>>6926847
>>6927223
There’s nothing to argue. Savestates are bitch shit, and obviously he doesn’t have a problem with it. That’s totally fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is, in fact, bitch shit.

[Anonymous No.6928040]

>>6928036
No one cares lol

[Anonymous No.6928072]

>>6927753
They also make hour long YouTube videos about why game overs are “unfair” and “conceptually outdated”, which is just cope.

[Anonymous No.6928074]

>>6926835
You're right

[Anonymous No.6928087]

>>6926835
i open youtube and watch the part I'm stuck.

[Anonymous No.6928105]

>>6927753
Excellent post.

I would add that most of the zoomer games either do no feature a lose state (such as their mobile games) or have such weak death penalties as to be meaningless (such as VS games where you just enter a new lobbey, or respawn instantly)

[Anonymous No.6928109]

The only acceptable use for save states is to skip the password entry.

Guardian Legend for instance is better with save-stating since the password is like 20 characters long. After I game over I save state on the 'continue' screen so I never need to enter it.

[Anonymous No.6928125]

>>6926835
>The best emulation experience is downloading all the wads for Wii virtual Console and beating them in their unaltered state.

Translation:
>The best emulation experience is using a garbage closed source emulator made by a scam company instead of a highly accurate emulator made by dedicated people for non-profit purposes, I'm a clueless idiot but I haven't realized it yet.

[Anonymous No.6928151]

old games have unfair challenges to stolen your coins and/or because they're too short.
and i already have challenges on real life, i play for fun.

[Anonymous No.6928205]

>>6927893
>I play all MY games from start to finish in ONE fucking sitting. I'm HAAAAAAAAAAARDCORE!
Nah, it just brought out some retards who live a miserable, lonely, ultimately pointless existence - retards like you.

[Anonymous No.6928236]

>>6926849
this

[Anonymous No.6928246]

>>6926854
clearly he means accuracy in relation to how the ROMs play more like the real hardware would by using emulators developed by people with autism

[Anonymous No.6928264]

>>6926835
wii vc had save states

[Anonymous No.6928363]

>>6926835
>ITT OP and his crazy mental gymnastics to justify his autistic preference for a inferior way of emulating old games.
Heh

[Anonymous No.6928380]

>>6926835
No ones. Being good at games isn't a skill.

[Anonymous No.6928431]

>>6926835
>Turn the game off
>It goes back to where you left off instead of being a fresh boot whenever you return
So much for "unaltered state". The solution here is not touching the save state feature at all, spastic.
>>6926886
Don't tell me you would rather use a Gamecube controller.

[Anonymous No.6928432]

>>6927593
>I think it's just a troll, but seriously, there are people who are really into gatekeeping, you have to get 4 when you add 2+2 like you did in the old days.
zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.6928472]

>>6927269
what do you think he's talking about? wad files are what installable wii content is stored in.

[Anonymous No.6928556]

>>6926847
Fpbp

op is a huge faggot

[Anonymous No.6928980]

>>6928040
sure you can be dismissive, but what if your hobby was playing hockey with your friends except every time you started to lose you screeched and shit your pants until your friends started rubbing your belly and telling you you win?
because that's what save states are
however, they are NOT without utility
you can use save states to practice tricky jumps and shit until you get muscle memory in place

[Anonymous No.6928985]

>>6928980
Don't care

[Anonymous No.6928990]

>>6928985
then why enter the thread at all? I think you care

[Anonymous No.6929069]

there is something deeply satisfying about encountering a particularly bullshit moment in a retro game and getting back at it with your own complete bullshit saved rates.

[Anonymous No.6929075]

>>6928980
Your analogy is gay and not applicable to games. Moreover games are not a skill. Hockey cam be used to better athleticism, games are just time wasters

[Anonymous No.6929114]

>>6926854
>Wrong. Homebrew games give you the option of save states. If you have to gimp yourself it's not the real way to play
Just because I have the option, doesn't mean I'm going to do it, faggot. Many of the games I like to play were never even released on VC, so why would I pick those releases over a homebrew emulator that lets me play whatever I want.

Literally the only VC games I play are Rondo of Blood and arcade titles like Ghost and Goblins and Metal Slug (I couldn't get the pc-engine nor the neogeo emulators to work).

[Anonymous No.6929126]

>>6928036
Arent games played to be enjoyed? If save states make a 80's nes game less of a mess, then theres nothing wrong with that you mouth breather. The original developers just wanted you to buy the game. Who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.6929130]

>>6926835
what if the way it was intended to be played sucks

[Anonymous No.6929135]

>>6926835
and what if I save state so I don't have to enter a ridiculously long password instead?

[Anonymous No.6929142]

>>6928109
you are supposed to save state at the "save" screen in that game.

[Anonymous No.6929303]

Rondo of Blood in VC is much better than the homebrew emulation options.

[Anonymous No.6929317]

>>6929303
No.
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/130910-Castlevania-Rondo-of-Blood-questions-and-problems-(Wii-VC)
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/142325-Castlevania-Rondo-of-Blood-speedrun-issues-(Wii-VC)

[Anonymous No.6929340]

>>6929317
Do you actually play games or just browse the web? There may be bugs, but the game runs smoothly with VC. Using homebrew emulation not only the game keeps stuttering,but the video and the audio qualities are lacking

[Anonymous No.6929409]

>>6926983
Kek. Get fucked, schizo. No one cares about gaming credibility.

[resistance is autism !!65XNEdwLf1z No.6929435]

>>6926835
Jewtendo won't be on your side no matter how much money you give them. You're just you. You're not every voter either.

Most roms they have no option to download legally. This is why people pirate.

Also game cheat codes exist too without emulators. You don't have to cheat. You just CAN cheat.

>>6926847
/sage

[Anonymous No.6929454]

Zoomer lamers ITT

[Anonymous No.6929671]

>>6929317
Did you even read the "problems"? It's not a problem with VC, the original version works the same way. It's a problem with the speedrun rules.

[Anonymous No.6929721]

>>6926835
>If you emulate on anything with the option of save states you didn't really beat the game or play the way it's intended
Thats retarded. Just the option being there doesnt mean shit. Just dont use it. By that logic you cant beat anything because there is the option to use a cheat code or modify the RAM. What a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.6929754]

>>6929435
Did you read the original OP? You can grt all the virtual console games for free through a was manager on wii.

[resistance is autism !!65XNEdwLf1z No.6929829]

>>6929754
Until your wii dies and you have to purchase from jewtendo again rather than just keep installing windows xp over and over again on alternative hardwares with old emulators and your trusty roms.

[Anonymous No.6929913]

>>6926835
Doesn't Virtual Console allow you to save state? Also I might be wrong but the Wii VC fucking stretches your game to 16:9, no? Like do I need to buy a Famicom to play the damn games? Why would I do it if I can play them on my Switch, for example? I don't use save states anyway

[Anonymous No.6929931]

>>6927269
He's talking about the Wii specific releases of nes/snes/n64/GameCube games I think. I have them all but only installed the n64 ones like fzero because n64 emulators all suck.
>>6927014
I'm not sure why you hate it. I picked up a Wii for $10 at a hard sale and put homebrew on it and a thumb drive and have every news snes n64 ps1 sega game ever at my fingertips.

[Anonymous No.6929939]

>>6927737
This is a good post demonstrating how a total faggot justifies wasting his life by endlessly engaging in repetitive play with decades old children’s toys. This already shameful act amusingly leads to the grim comedy of his taking pride in his sad behavior.

[Anonymous No.6929945]

>>6928990
You brought enough care for the whole class, fagatron.

[Anonymous No.6929950]

>>6926835
When I was a young lad in the 1990s, all the games on PC had saving and I thought it weird that consoles didn't. If I was saving through Doom and Hexen and Dungeon Keeper, I can save through Wings of Madoola.

[Anonymous No.6929980]

>>6926835
you're a faggot and you should kill yourself.

change my mind.

[Anonymous No.6929991]

>>6929939
seethe zoomer

[Anonymous No.6930258]

>>6929991
Aww. Hit to close to home, man baby? Go play with your plastic toy collection until your feelings aren’t hurt anymore. You definitely aren’t wasting your life and your ancestors certainly wouldn’t be profoundly ashamed of you. I’ll keeping “seething”, just for you little buddy.

[Anonymous No.6930271]

>>6926847
>I read the last page of every book first and watch movies rewind, angry lmao?! Fukken showed you lmaooooo

[Anonymous No.6930279]

>>6926983
based. Nu-/vr/ blown the fuck out. Reminder that savescumming was seen as shit before the 6th gen merge.

[Anonymous No.6930289]

>>6930279
>>6930271
>these faggots are literally mad on the internet about video games
The saddest part is you dipshits are probably in your fucking 30s. Sad.

[Anonymous No.6930295]

>>6928205
if you dont like playing video games, don't come to the video game board

[Anonymous No.6930306]

>>6928109
this. Savestating is cool if you use it to emulate leaving the console on over night or bypassing password systems. Anything other than that is just cheating.

[Anonymous No.6930317]

>>6930289
Keep projecting zoomie

[Anonymous No.6930323]

>>6930306
When you were a kid and someone used a game genie or entered a cheat code, did you have like a stuttering autistic meltdown? Funny shit, wow you’re a faggot.

[Anonymous No.6930328]

>>6930317
>I-if I say zoom and seethe enough times, I w-win!
Play it again, Sam.

[Anonymous No.6930346]

>>6930323
>>6930328
>if i project my anger onto others I win

[Anonymous No.6930358]

>>6930295
What the fuck are you TALKING about, you moron? Reading comprehension, you smooth-brained twerp.

[Anonymous No.6930364]

>>6926835
>Change my mind.
No.

[Anonymous No.6930386]

>>6930346
>uh-oh, can’t mindlessly repeat zoom or seethe anymore. Better say he’s mad!
You actually were reduced to using a slightly more elaborate version of “u mad”. Your poor little brain can only produce memes. Points for not calling me a tranny or telling me to dilate, but you’re still a total fucking failure in life. Inb4 “tldr”

[Anonymous No.6930394]

>>6930386
Hasn't he gotten 148 replies of free amusement, though? Not going through the whole thread to check, but it sure seems that way.

[Anonymous No.6930403]

>>6930394
Ok kid

[Anonymous No.6930404]

>>6930386
>>6930394
>everybody who disagrees with me must be the same guy
peak schizo hours

[Anonymous No.6930505]

>>6930258
>Aww. Hit to close to home, man baby? Go play with your plastic toy collection until your feelings aren’t hurt anymore. You definitely aren’t wasting your life and your ancestors certainly wouldn’t be profoundly ashamed of you. I’ll keeping being based, just for you little buddy.

[Anonymous No.6930704]

VC has save states you retard. But yeah if you use save states then you prevent yourself from having fun and feeling satisfaction from beating games. Miyamoto once said that vidya's main goal is to give the player a sense of accomplishment

[Anonymous No.6930716]

>>6930403
I'm 33.

[Anonymous No.6930723]

>>6930404
Why schizophrenia, specifically?

[Anonymous No.6930726]

>>6930704
It only saves between sessions so you can't savescum with it. It's like keeping the system on overnight.

[Anonymous No.6930736]

>>6930704
Wii VC doesn't have save states, see >>6930726

[Anonymous No.6930746]

>>6930726
>>6930736
That's cool, didn't know that, sorry. Never owned a Wii, I've heard that it has problems with aspect ratio though

[Anonymous No.6930823]

>>6930746
>I've heard that it has problems with aspect ratio though
If you're playing on a widescreen TV then GC and VC games will be stretched instead of adding black bars to the side, if that's what you mean.
But it's not a problem on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.6930859]

>>6930823
Yeah that's what I meant. Don't know what Nintendo was thinking

[Anonymous No.6930872]

>>6926835
No one has ever given me a reason to care. Gamer pride is the weakest cult

[Anonymous No.6930883]

>>6930704
i don't give a fuck what miyamoto has to say lol. im playing these games buy myself, so i'll enjoy em how I want, idc what some chinese faggot has to say bout it

[Anonymous No.6930908]

>>6930859
My TV has an option to force a 4:3 ratio on it's RCA, Component and Coaxial inputs, so maybe they assumed most TVs can do that.
Actually, I've never had a flatscreen TV that didn't have that option, maybe most of them do.
It was an issue on WiiU for a while though, before it was patched.

[Anonymous No.6930917]

>>6930505
Glad you like my style so much, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6930925]

>>6930716
Ok kid

[Anonymous No.6930938]

>>6930883
Some games I agree but let's face it stuff like old platformers are all about overcoming challenge. So you might as well not play them at all than savescum

[Anonymous No.6930965]

>>6930938
video games are about whatever you want them for. some people take the shit rly seriously and want a challenge to overcome. some people just wanna relax and enjoy the colors and music. im the second one. i just wanna play the game and not get frustrated

[Anonymous No.6930984]

>>6930965
True
>some people just wanna relax and enjoy the colors and music
To be honest that's exactly how I am but I still refuse to savescum. Maybe because I'm a loser in real life and beating games makes me feel like a golden boy lol

[Anonymous No.6931008]

>>6926835
I'd probably never play 99% of games if there was no save state function.

[Anonymous No.6931026]

>>6930965
>some people just wanna relax and enjoy the colors and music. im the second one. i just wanna play the game and not get frustrated
I'm glad that you actually have the guts to admit this unlike the others who desperately want people to believe they beat the game legitimately and are just as skilled as someone who won without savestates. Savescumming trivializes gameplay entirely which is awful but if you're only in it for the experience then that's totally fine, just don't try and pretend to others that you're not doing the video game equivalent of watching a movie.

[Anonymous No.6931034]

>>6931026
idk who you think your'e arguing with. i don't care at all about any of that and I doubt anyone in this thread who uses save states does either. the problem is you think everyone takes video games are seriously as you do when in reality you're in the minority. you're not proving anything to anyone

[Anonymous No.6931042]

>>6931026
>just don't try and pretend to others that you're not doing the video game equivalent of watching a movie.
Why is this the equivalent if he still controls the character? It's not like the game plays itself like in New Super Mario Bros when you die enough times

[Anonymous No.6931168]

>>6926835
>he didn't grow up playing games on pc and having to save game compulsively to recover from constant crashes and game breaking bugs
you only cheated yourself, you didn't grow

[Anonymous No.6931679]

>>6926835
OP is, as always, a faggot

and most of shiposters ITT too

[Anonymous No.6931764]

>>6929435
Based on how electoral college works I'm not even a voter

[Anonymous No.6931910]

>>6926835
You know, there's always the option of emulating games and...not using save states. Nobody's forcing you to use them

[Anonymous No.6931931]

>>6926835
>Change my mind.
Who cares what you think, I'll do what I want BEEYOOTCHH

[Anonymous No.6931947]

>>6931042
Because there's literally zero challenge if you can just redo an intentionally designed challenging segment with zero consequences

[Anonymous No.6932061]

The state of this board is sad. I've even seen people saying Mega Man 2 is too hard for them lately. Why don't you normalniggers go back to twitter where it's safe for your kind?

[Anonymous No.6932128]

>>6931947
It's been said a dozen times, but again, no one cares about avoiding the challenge. If they did they wouldn't avoid it.

[Anonymous No.6932148]

>>6932061
Don't mean to sound like that guy, but 6th gen attracted a lot of non-/vr/ residents to this place. Now we have to put up with a new brand of retards who think they know everything about retro gaymin because they like ps2. We used to tear people a new asshole if they said something like "aged badly".

[Anonymous No.6932439]

>>6929931
"every n64 ps1 sega game ever at my fingertips." Except for the fact that youre 100% full of shit. Wii barely runs any Psx and n64 games, and the ones that do run have problems. And every Sega game? Cool show me how well Sega Saturn and 32x run on the wii. Let alone dreamcast. Lol. Dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6932554]

Based, zoomers btfo

[Anonymous No.6932564]

are you saying even if you don't use the save states, just having the option to makes it not count? now thats next level autism

[Anonymous No.6932620]

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE SAVE STATERINOS! YOU NEED TO PLAY GAMES HOW I SAY!
No one cares. Being a master at old video games impresses no one.

[Anonymous No.6932790]

>>6932620
>enters the thread to cry about how inadequate he is at video games
>n-no one cares *sobs*
lol beta males always get emotional when people bring up how savestates are for the weak.

[Anonymous No.6932918]

>>6930883
Speaking of Miyamoto and save states
https://www.nintendo.com/nes-classic/super-mario-bros-and-super-mario-bros-3-developer-interview/
>[And last, Miyamoto-san.]
>Miyamoto: Back when Super Mario Bros. 3 came out, everyone was stressed because they couldn't save, with some even saying they played it through without ever turning off the power! (laughs)
>[Uh-huh, there were! (laughs)]
>Miyamoto: But this time you've got four Suspend Points. Even better, you have four for each of the 30 games.
>[You can practically save wherever you want.]
>Miyamoto: So I hope players will save all they want to relieve the stress they felt before.

[Anonymous No.6932961]

>>6927604
I know this OP is clearly retarded

[Anonymous No.6932982]

>>6932961
actually you can all so save state as much as you want on wii VC if you have a SD card with out hacks or anything and all intended real hardware stuff. wtf is this dumb ass OP crap on about

[Anonymous No.6932992]

>>6932790
>beta male
grow up already. only teenage PUAs buy that shit

[Anonymous No.6932996]

>>6932992
>he said as he posted soijak

[Anonymous No.6933018]

>>6932790
>beat game, be alpha, so adequate
the fuck you are even on about? even if you were live streaming a blind playthrough all it takes is a fake bathroom break and looking up a video. no one cares.

you can beat 1000 old games or fast forward and save state 1000 old games, no one gives a shit either way

[Anonymous No.6933665]

You aren't a drummer if you don't hand make your own drums, kill the animals to make the leather for the drum, grow then chop down the tree for the drum, and spend every second of your day thinking about drums...

[Anonymous No.6933917]

>>6932620
Wew lad. I can only imagine how hard you must be seething to post such pathetic cope. Sad thing is you're such a loser that even if you could git gud at games no one would care.

[Anonymous No.6934339]

>>6932564
apparently

[Anonymous No.6934419]

>>6933665
It's more like you can't play a song if you only play it by pieces but you can't play the whole thing in one go

[Anonymous No.6934470]

>>6926835
DR;NS

[Anonymous No.6934490]

If you use save states to beat Mario, then you didn’t actually beat it.

[Anonymous No.6934565]

>>6926847
Yeah I'm thinking we can close the thread

[Anonymous No.6935510]

>>6926835
good bait thread, same as when the sticky was updated it shows that /vr/ is filled to the brim with soi faggots.

[Anonymous No.6935529]

>>6934490
If you use any continues at game overs, you also didn't beat Mario

[Anonymous No.6935860]

>>6926847
>aol
based

[Anonymous No.6936031]

>>6928431
No I use a genesis controller when I emulate on my computer

[Anonymous No.6936106]

>>6936031
I was talking in regards to what controllers are compatible with the Wii.

[Anonymous No.6936535]

>>6926835
>The best emulation experience is downloading all the wads for Wii virtual Console
Agreed
>and beating them in their unaltered state
fuck off. nobody cares how you play your games. plus the wii vc has save states, they’re just more annoying to use.

[Anonymous No.6937518]

>>6926835
I use savestates just so that I don't have to play a game in one sitting. I don't use them to give myself an unfair advantage. I see it as no different from leaving the console turned on while I take a break. If the game is truly good and I have mastered it, I attempt to beat it all in one sitting on subsequent play-throughs.

[Anonymous No.6937764]

Ok... and?

[Anonymous No.6937772]

>>6933665
>stupid, hamfisted analogy
Wow it's like I really am on /v/!

[Anonymous No.6938459]

>>6935510
Helicopter faggots? huh?

[Anonymous No.6940442]

>>6926847

[Anonymous No.6940534]

>>6927520
>if the technology was there all the games would have had a save function anyway

Nah, if only because tons of developers were trying to gimp game rentals by making every game as arbitrarily difficult as they could manage. Otherwise yeah, nothing wrong here.

[Anonymous No.6940632]

>>6926835
You're fucking stupid. Having the option to use save states does not equate to using save states. That's why you're stupid. And there's nothing wrong with save states to an extent. Sure, if you save scum that's not the same as beating it in one try or one sitting. But I absolutely will use them if I don't want to be bothered repeating some bullshit repeatedly (like traveling from the starting point back to the palace after a game over in Zelda II for instance). Who in their right mind wants or needs to do that every single time you get a game over? It's not part of the challenge, it's simply a waste of time. That's why. Most adults have better things to do than spend an extra 10 hours on an old video game that really should have been finished already, assuming the design around continues had been better.

[Anonymous No.6940648]

>>6927003
>arcade games designed in a manner hostile to players
zoomer, you're making my dick hard. don't stop

[Anonymous No.6940675]

>>6940632
>You're fucking stupid
OP's right. It's just gone over your head. Even if you don't use save states, having the option there psychologically changes the experience. It's as if you were to walk a tightrope over a safety net vs. concrete, or more accurately: you have a safety crew with a net that can be moved into position mid-fall if the act of falling has suddenly changed your mind

[Anonymous No.6940761]

>>6940675
It really doesn't, as long as you don't use save states. Traversing a thin rope over solid concrete is way more stressful than playing a video game. There's a lot more at stake walking a tightrope. There's nothing at stake when I'm playing Mega Man 3 on an emulator. If my safety is at risk then of course I'd want a crew below me, ready to catch me if I fall. I'm not in harm's way playing a video game. I don't ever feel the urge to use a save state, even if they're there. It's not really comparable.

[Anonymous No.6940812]

>>6940675
Look I get it, having the option to use save states increases the chance that save states will be used. But this is separate from the fact that, if save states are not used then the experience is virtually the same as it would be on console. I really don't understand how you can argue otherwise. At that point it's just the player and their inputs

[Anonymous No.6940842]

>>6940761
>Traversing a thin rope over solid concrete is way more stressful than playing a video game
Do you know the difference between an analogy and an equivalence?
>There's nothing at stake when I'm playing Mega Man 3 on an emulator
Exactly, because the option to use save states is there. The tension, or stress as you put it, comes from the loss of progress and the possibility of being unable to progress further, an effect that so many modern games strip away in order to appeal to fragile zoomer and downtrodden working dad sensibilities
>>6940812
The difference is psychological, as I already said. It's subtle but it's there, which is why OP is right

[Anonymous No.6941523]

I love 4chan.
There are actually dozens of anons engaging with this baitshit.
It is a joy to watch.
Just think:
If there really existed some people that actually gave a shit about saving and loading whenever you want, they would have been constantly fuming for about 30 years now, especially at games like doom.
And you are trying to engage this amount of insanity with something resembling arguments?
By all means, continue.
Just wait a minute before you do, my popcorn has run out again.

[Anonymous No.6941538]

>>6926835
are save states cheating? yes
are they the way the game was originally planned? no
do i give a fuck? no
do they make the game better? hell yeah
have fun starting from scratch when you run out of continues

[Anonymous No.6941731]

>>6941523
>they would have been constantly fuming for about 30 years now
Nice cope, don't talk about stuff before you were born. If you weren't there, you're just parroting ecelebs.

[Anonymous No.6942326]

>>6941731
Oh, this is juicy.
What if I was there?
What if I remember how you could save at any time outside of combat on Final Fantasy Legend, a fucking gameboy game?
Would that change anything?
No, it wouldn't. You'd just run away with your pants around your ankles, grasping for the next excuse you could spin.
Go on. Entertain me, peasant.

[Anonymous No.6942728]

>>6940812
>virtually the same
Minus the soul

[Anonymous No.6942749]

>>6932148
I actually helped to start that. Been coming here off-and-on since 2014.

[Anonymous No.6943487]

>>6926847
>aol
Makes sense

[Anonymous No.6943629]

>>6942326
Thanks for taking the B8 M8, I knew it would be a good chuckle.

[Anonymous No.6943638]

>>6930358
losing is a part of playing

[Anonymous No.6944207]

Here's something I was thinking about.

Played punchout for the first time completely yesterday, but I used the code to get back to tyson after beating super macho man, and used the codes to get to each circuit.

Is this "cheating" to use a code the game doesn't tell you about to get to tyson as opposed to the other codes the game gives you as a substitute for saving? I've beaten tyson like 5 times now just for fun but never after super macho man because when I can only beat tyson like a 10th of the time it would take me hours to continually fight him over and over using the last checkpoint.

[Anonymous No.6945117]

>>6944207
You have never beat the game.

[Anonymous No.6945123]

>>6926835

[Anonymous No.6946298]

/vr/ has really gone down the shitter in the last year or so.

Fuckin grouchy bastards, Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.6947629]

>>6926854
>Compensating for not being able to accomplish a no-hit run by making as big a deal as possible about not using save states

Pitiable.

[Anonymous No.6947637]

>>6945123
You know what you get if you beat the game? A whole bunch of no one cares.

[Anonymous No.6948660]

>>6926835
Eh, I don't really care. It's not that important to me, as long as I had fun. I do prefer original games on original hardware. It just plays better that way.

[Anonymous No.6950136]

>>6926849
Based

[Anonymous No.6950181]

>>6940842
>Exactly, because the option to use save states is there. The tension, or stress as you put it, comes from the loss of progress and the possibility of being unable to progress further, an effect that so many modern games strip away in order to appeal to fragile zoomer and downtrodden working dad sensibilities
That argument doesn't work when cheat codes exist.

[Anonymous No.6950195]

>>6940842
Hardcore gayming sound more like gag torture and masochism.

[Anonymous No.6950250]

>>6928151
>challenges on real life
Like what?

[Anonymous No.6950562]

>>6937772
I think people trying to gatekeep iss ridiculous, most of the reasons why savestates are preferred is because game designers had very limited options with saving systems, rudimentary at best and often inadequate.

[Anonymous No.6951405]

>save state before jump
>mess it up
>load state so I don’t have to walk back up
I am that lazy. I also fast forward random encounters

[Anonymous No.6952368]

There is nothing wrong with saving your game.