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6926421 No.6926421 [Reply] [Original]

Pokemon Emerald is hands-down the best retro mainline Pokemon game ever crafted, and Gen III the best generation overall to that date.

Emerald has
>best metagame/competitive play
>best creature designs
>best graphics (including spritework)
>best story/plot
>best difficulty/challenge and balance
>best postgame
>best music
>best pokedex and the most pokemon
>best region/map
>cloning, for infinite items and infinite mons
>best starter trio (at least from 2nd stage onward)
>the most content
>best character design
>best replay value / replayability

Gen III as a whole has
>best sidegames
>better version of Gen I
>all Johto Pokemon
>best meta

Genwunner and Johtoddler boomers, it's time for you to finally swallow your pride, remove your nostalgia goggles, face the facts and admit, bygones be bygones, that this was the best generation all along.

>> No.6926430

>>6926421
Correct, if you change your image to Platinum.

>> No.6926487

gen 3 is great but it's definitely when the design of pokemons themselves starting heading downhill

>> No.6926502
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>>6926487
>it's definitely when the design of pokemons themselves starting heading downhill
How do you figure? Johto easily has the worst Pokemon designs of the first three (and first four) generations, and the worst you could say about Hoenn's creatures it's that it's merely on par with Kanto's.

>> No.6926520

>>6926421
I quit playing gen 3 after maybe two gym leaders. At one point I was near a beach and literally five trainers in a row just had 3-5 Geodudes over and over and I realized how uninspired it was.

>> No.6926524

>>6926502
>if you redesign gen 3 mons to look like gen 2 they look good

>> No.6926525
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>>6926520
That's a problem all Pokemon games had.

>> No.6926527

>>6926430
i hate to be that guy but platinum is not retro
...... yet

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>>6926524
>I can't appreciate quality designs without nostalgiagoggles

>> No.6926531

It's the best, besides gen 7 and 1 imo.
It's hard to play now that I feel the loss of QoL improvements- in particular it feels very slow to move and fight, even slower than gen 1/2.

Its beautiful though, and the sound is perfect.

>> No.6926538

>>6926525
I don't remember it being a problem in the first two generations, and it wasn't a problem in gen 5 either. Your pic isn't really as relevant since the time before the first gym is a short period anyways, those are largely going to be trashmons.
>>6926530
Gen 3 had some good designs don't get me wrong, the starters are reasonably fine, but the strains of redundancy really began showing there.

>> No.6926542

>>6926531
>It's hard to play now that I feel the loss of QoL improvements
Such as...?
>in particular it feels very slow to move and fight
Are you series? One thing the OP forgot to mention is the PERFORMANCE of the Gen III games. IIRC they all run at 60fps and feel super smooth, and as far as the speed goes it strikes the perfect balance between molasses slow and ADHD concession.

>> No.6926546

>>6926542
>60fps
Imagine thinking that is what he was talking about lmao

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>>6926538
>the strains of redundancy really began showing there
come on now, that's demonstrably untrue (ignore the arrows in picrel)
all the new Hoenn designs manage to incorporate fresh ideas into every design it supposedly rehashes

>> No.6926558

>>6926546
It isn't but it absolutely bears mentioning, especially when you contrast the performance of Gen IV games.
And you conveniently ignored the second clause of that sentence where it does address that speed complaint.
If you think Gen III games are slow, especially compared to fucking Gen I or Gen II, I really don't know what to tell you.

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>> No.6927023

>>6926421
For me it's Sapphire, because that's the one I had. Nostalgia adds immense value that cannot be met by adding multiplayer features I can't use anyways.

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>>6927023
You still miss out on the Battle Frontier.

>> No.6927048

>>6926421
gen 3 is garbage. gen 1 and 2 are essentially the exact same game so it was more understandable, but by gen 3 the fact that pokemon was still blatantly broken as a game with shit like no physical/special split (so multiple pokemon just had stats completely opposite of the kind of moves they learn as a prank or something so they can't do damage) is just embarassing for what was basically the biggest IP in the world at the time

emerald came out in fucking 2004, by that time there were literally dozens of other monster catching games that had come out and ALL of them completely mog pokemon when it comes to gameplay while making a 10th as much money. unless this shit was your first pokemon game gen 3 has absolutely no excuse for being as half-assed as it was, It actually REMOVED features from gen 2 like day/night cycle

>> No.6927062

>>6927048
>gen 3 the fact that pokemon was still blatantly broken as a game
in what way
>with shit like no physical/special split
braindead zoomer detected
>so multiple pokemon just had stats completely opposite of the kind of moves they learn
you know nothing about the Gen III meta
>by that time there were literally dozens of other monster catching games
all shit, which nobody cares about today
>unless this shit was your first pokemon game gen 3 has absolutely no excuse for being as half-assed as it was
it has more in it than Gen I and Gen II
>it actually REMOVED features from gen 2 like day/night cycle
it also doesn't gatekeep when you can access Pokemon (outside of Mirage Island)

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>>6927626
I preferred the female version.

I am playing Emerald now for the first time and I love it so far. Up until now my favourite was Crystal and might still be... but this is giving it a run for it's money.

The music is fantastic (Especially that ash covered route and underwater) but I fucking love National Park from Gen II so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjouKSkSeM

>> No.6927785

>>6926421
Aren't they all basically the same? You fight a rival, do 8 gymnasiums and then fight 4 guys and its over. Catch em all. Seems like the differences are which minor you play as.

>> No.6928365

>>6926421
That's not gen 4-
>>6926527
Oh, fair. Honestly Emerald is pretty great but I fucking loath playing pokemon before the physical / special split. So many mons are just shit because it didn't exist

>> No.6928419

>>6928365
>So many mons are just shit
That's a misconception you zoomers have because you played it before you had any conception of strategy in the game according to its mechanics. The Physical/Special split actually leads to a far less predictable and far more creative meta by forcing players to make compromises and encouraging them to solve such puzzles through the many unorthodox options the game offers.

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For context, I'm 33 years old and fell in love with Pokemon when it first showed up in the US.

I didn't do anything competitive until 3rd gen though, on NetBattle. It was amazing. I have a soft spot for 3rd gen because of that. I also really do love a lot of 3rd gen designs, like Hariyama because Fighting is my favorite type, among others.

I have a soft spot for Gen 1 because I guess you could say I "imprinted" on those creatures, but I never liked Gen 2 much.

Otherwise I think Gen 5 had AWESOME designs. Bisharp, Galvantula, and Golurk, among others really cemented that as one of my favorite batches of mons.

I guess what I'm sayin is, age shouldn't matter if you can keep an open mind, but most people can't. Most of YOU won't, as you get older, but try not to be that way if you can help it.
...
I didn't like SWSH though lol

>> No.6928726

hello gigadweeb

>> No.6928739

>>6926421
>competitive Pokémon is for faggots
>Gen 3 had shit designs but at least it wasn’t as bad as Gen 4 or 5 so you got me there
>uninspired spritework, gbc had more charm
>retarded team rocket ripoffs that want to do dumb fucking shit like eliminate all land or water
>easier than crystal
>postgame is lame Pokémon stadium ripoff, where in crystal it was an entire region, another 8 badges, the 2 legendaries, elite 4 with harder team, and red on Mt. Silver
>blaring trumpets no matter where you go
>this retard thinks quantity is better than quality
>half the map is water, no reason to return to half the previously visited towns/cities
>start of the decline of starter quality, where instead of being inspired by monsters they’re inspired by anthro furry garbage
>cloning, which exists in Gen 2
>most content, while only having 1 region, no radio, no day/night cycle, lmao okay
>thinking the faggot in the white hat is better designed than red or gold
>zero replay value, like every Pokémon game
>side games are retarded
>uninspired remakes that were packaged with wireless connectors so people would buy
>crystal had all the johto Pokémon too lmao
>competitive faggotry again

Go be a faggot somewhere else dude

>> No.6928826

the best thing about gen 3 is how fast the gameplay is, in comparison to the absolutely glacial gen 4, where the animations take forever

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>>6928826
Watching that HP bar drain was god damn excruciating.

>> No.6928910

>>6927048
>by that time there were literally dozens of other monster catching games that had come out and ALL of them completely mog pokemon when it comes to gameplay
Which is your fav?

>> No.6928919

>>6928910
Not the anon you replied to, but I just downloaded Ni no Kuni on my switch, and it looks like it might be a superior version of Pokemon, am amped to try it.

>> No.6929650

>>6928739
>in crystal it was an entire region, another 8 badges, the 2 legendaries, elite 4 with harder team, and red on Mt. Silver
Kanto was just a two-hour bonus game because you were too overleveled for any Gym to be a threat (except maybe Blue). The Elites also never got any harder in Gen2, so you're stuck grinding for L80 Red on sub-50 Pokemon.

>> No.6929951

>>6928919
I played Ni No Kuni on the PS3, it's a very flawed game but it's definitely charming with a nice atmosphere and great music. Hope you have fun with it.

>> No.6930228

>>6929951
it's good if you accept that it's for kids, even on the hardest difficulty it's not remotely challenging

>> No.6930237

No Night/Day cycle, 0/10.

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>>6926421
Pokemon peaked at 2nd gen. Every release after Crystal progressively got worse.

>> No.6931536

>>6930256
i almost agree with you but my favorites are BW2 and HGSS ,crystal is still very good though and crystal clear is the best pokemon romhack ever created

>> No.6931537

>>6926421
Any PAL or maybe even Dutchfags here who didn't get their Wireless link accessory with lgfr?
I remember getting that game very vividly and being really excited but just not understanding why they were advertising with that thing.
None of my friends had it at the time either, so idgaf. But I'm interested if it was just my copy or there was a batch that omitted the accessory.

>> No.6931615

>>6928419
I've been playing pokemon since gen 1, you fucking retard and there indeed are a lot of mons that are shit without out.
And who cares about the fucking meta. Pokemon has always had a super unbalanced meta and if you claim otherwise you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

>> No.6931618

>>6928919
>>6929951
Ni No Kuni is nothing like pokemon, wtf.

>> No.6931653

>>6931615
>there indeed are a lot of mons that are shit without it
good ahead and name some, make me laugh moron
>And who cares about the fucking meta
considering that's literally what your complaint comes down...
>Pokemon has always had a super unbalanced meta
says the retard

>> No.6931717

>>6926421
>BEST MUSIC
DAMN RIGHT THAT CHIPTUNE ORCHESTRA IS SO GOOD AND APART FROM GEN 1, GEN 3 HAS SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC POKEMON SONGS EVER.

>> No.6931723

>>6930256
>VAGUE NON-STORYPOKEMON
nah crystal was all right but it was vague as fuck.
there wasn't really any story you had to make up most of it yourself.

>> No.6931738

>>6926421
It has been 17 years and 10 months since the release of the Generation 3 Pokemon games.
Soon my eternal anger over the removal of the day/night cycle will be old enough to vote.

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>> No.6933478
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Shedinja is still one of my favorite pokemon, and is still my favorite rage inducing glass cannon of choice

>> No.6933480

>>6926525
>no mankey

this list is bullshit

>> No.6933502

>>6929650
you can easily beat red with your own level 50s if you strategize properly. the only people who grind for red suck at the game

>> No.6933521

Even the remakes of Gen. III sucked ass. That's how incompetent they were at continuing the legacy of Pokemon.

>> No.6933538

>>6926527
wait, isnt psp and nds retro now? they came out before 2007

>> No.6933591

No day/night, no Pokégear and no animated sprites (until emerald) was very disappointing.

>> No.6933657

>>6929650
This. Crystal is my favourite but Kanto is literally just a bonus victory lap. People always talk about it as if it's double the game or some shit.

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>>6926502
Nah I agree with him anon, gen 3 designs are when they started to slap on random lines and shapes (Pelliper). Most of them are still good though, but it definitely hints at what was to come.

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>>6926502
but also fuck you johto designs are brilliant

>> No.6934136

>>6931653
Krabby
>considering that's literally what your complaint comes down...
???
>says the retard
You know nothing about early gen meta, you fucking tard

>> No.6934278

>>6933591
>no animated sprites (until emerald)
And Emerald's animations were pathetic compared to Crystal's. Crystal has them doing cool things like Gengar fading in and out of view or Pikachu glowing in anticipation of the fight. Emerald just adds a second frame and stretches/squishes the hell out of both to make it look like there's movement.

>> No.6934303

Nahh, Hoen's dex is kinda bland. Nowhere near as purely shit as D/Ps, but the Gen 1 remakes really outdo Emerald off the strength of their iconic dex alone.
Hoenn does have a great map for exploration though, and obviously the best endgame content.

>> No.6934315

>>6926487
This is factually true. I think Gen 3 is when Sugimori started using digital art tools more, and you can see his color choices and linework just go to shit.
Gen 3 still has some absolutely killer iconic designs like Bagon, Castform, Hariyama, Duskull, Flygon's line - but then there's garbage like Absol, Tropius, Salamence and Luvdisc weighing it down.
It wasn't the absolute bottom of the barrel that Gen 4 and half of Gen 5 were, but it started the trend.

>> No.6934320

>>6934136
Gen 1 couldn't Krabby learn Crabhammer, Minimize, Hyper Beam and Surf?

>> No.6934365

>>6933146
W T F
I S T H I S R E A L

>> No.6934504
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I can only agree, brother.

>> No.6934568

>>6926421
I only played Emerald because I figured I had so much Gardevoir porn that I should at least play a sinlge pokemon game and gen 3 is where they added it.

>> No.6934592

>>6933480
I may be wrong but Mankey was a FRLG or Yellow contribution, not RGB.

>> No.6934597

>>6933478
It's almost unuseable though if your foe is running Tyranitar.

>> No.6934604

>>6933521
>Even the remakes of Gen. III sucked ass
GameFreak forgot how to make proper Pokemon games after the 2000s ended.

>> No.6934615

>>6933591
>No day/night
It's really not that big of a deal. It's just an aesthetic difference.
>no Pokégear
It has the Pokenav.
>no animated sprites (until emerald)
Well this thread is about Emerald...
>>6934278
This isn't true. Pikachu glows in Emerald and Gengar expands in size because it's a gas and shadow Pokemon.
There are plenty of cool Pokemon sprite animations like Rapidash's and the move animations are just as good like Cosmic Power or Luster Purge.

>> No.6934618

>>6934315
I think I read somewhere that some pencil-pusher at The Pokemon Company did a marketing survey or whatever of Japanese customers and found out that most Jap Pokegamers were far more interested in the trainers/characters/leaders than the truckloads full of 'mons they kept adding. I believe the reverse is true in the States, but guess what? Gamefreak et al. don't design by what sells well in the States. They go first and foremost by what the home audience likes and wants.

Hence the boatloads of ever-increasing mediocre Pocket Monsters and new cast of steadily more animu outlandish opponents.

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>>6933657
>Kanto is literally just a bonus victory lap. People always talk about it as if it's double the game or some shit
yep; it's pretty disingenuous

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>>6933736
>gen 3 designs are when they started to slap on random lines and shapes (Pelliper)
According to you Spinarak's shape and coloration are pointless as well; something like Xatu too (despite the fact its coloring is important to its theme). This is such a retarded opinion to have, like you fags wanted monochrome Pokemon everywhere.
>it definitely hints at what was to come
It's bullshit. What Hoenn accomplished was making far more intricate and sophisticated theming and ideas than any mons before them. Just look at Blaziken: there's nearly 10 different concepts stuffed into that 1 Pokemon.

>> No.6934642

>>6934620
small mention that the polished crystal romhack, despite its other additions, restores kanto at least a bit.

>> No.6934648

>>6933742
Your very pick shows that they really aren't. Sentret is a ferret with rabbit ears and a tanuki-ish tail. Zigzagoon is a tanuki with a little bandit eye coloration and a shape that's based off its concept of locomating in an unsteady way---in zigzags, by being jagged itself. Sentret is a ball with three ovals and generic beady eyes. Even Linoone is again superior in concept to Furret.

>> No.6934665

>>6934136
>Krabby
I'll assume you mean Kingler.
Kingler has 130 base attack and a respectable physical defence, Hyper Cutter, access to Hidden Power and Quick Claw, and still has Guillotine. It takes more creativity than the average mon but it's not useless by any means.
>You know nothing about early gen meta
Actually I do, and I can tell you Gen II's (at least OU's) is the worst, in terms of how long matches take and the relative inability of Pokemon to end matches quickly and decisively; even Gen I's is better in that respect.

>> No.6934901

>>6934320
Crabhammer is water based and water was special so it's strength was basically worthless. Physical special split just means that moves have more variance which is why it's a good thing

>> No.6934907
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Gen 3 is where completing the dex was most fun, as well.

>> No.6934954

>>6934901
>Physical special split just means that moves have more variance
It means that more mons are built less creatively without regards to limitations, which ended up introducing a powercreep that made an even bigger gap between viable and not for the entire fully-evolved pool (including legendaries or not) than had even existed in Gen III. With Guillotine and Swords Dance, Kingler could stand toe-to-toe with even Metagross and Tyranitar.

>> No.6934959

>>6934907
Gen III's National Dex was really just a very good size.

>> No.6934981

>>6934954
Phys/Spec isn't responsible for power creep, power creep is responsible for power creep.
Seriously, Pokemon base stats and attack values just started soaring after Gen 3. Garchomp, Infernape and Lucario are great examples of mons that are pretty fucking gross to play against.
Phys/Spec is fine on its own, but the Gen 4 missteps ended up leaving a bad first impression with Stealth Rock cancer and busted 'mons in OU.

>> No.6935004

>>6934959
The mons were also well distributed among the games, to where you can play Emerald, LeafGreen, and the GC games and be done with it all.

>> No.6935010

>>6926421
true

>> No.6935032

>>6934954
That's not the fault of physical / special, what the fuck? Like >>6934981 said gen 4 had a shit load of stat power creep that just made a lot of older mons shit and had nothing to do with what moves scale with what.

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>>6926421
>>6926502
Download Moemon patch(or prepatched) and be cawaii!!!

>> No.6935834

>>6926421
>tfw got pokemon emerald a day early back in 2005

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>>6935834
>Ask for Emerald for Christmas
>Auntie brings down her presents a few days early but can't open it until Christmas
>One of them is a GBA shaped box
>Get hyped
>Christmas Day
>Open up presents from parents first, no Emerald, as expected
>Move on to other presents
>Grab the box from my auntie
>Unwrap it
>Madagascar for GBA
>Didn't get Emerald at all
Went and bought it when the stores opened, worth it

>> No.6937208

>>6934620
is there a version of this where all the two maps are overlayed as best as possible? (i.e. so you can see what was kept and what was cut, rather than the relative sizes)

>> No.6937447

>>6937208
You mean like with the dungeons too?

>> No.6938402

Gen3 was the worst gen until gen6.

>> No.6938408

>>6934907
>>6934959
Gen 3 is the worst in regards to catching legendaries.

You have to play the games 3 times to get them all and even then there are glitches that can potentially prevent you from catching some of them. Good times.

>> No.6938414

>>6934632
Blaziken doesn't even look like anything.

>> No.6938424

>>6938408
>giving a single shit about Legendaries
Yeah some of them are pretty cool and everyone played through Emerald with their starter and Rayquan wrecking everybody, but you should get over that shit if you're not 12.

>> No.6938449

>>6938424
Completing the dex and not caring about legendaries does not compute

>> No.6938861

>>6926421
Gen 2 has a real rival, additional typing (where Gen 3 added none), a day/night cycle, better music, better Pokémon designs, better animated sprites, has unique balls from Kurt, a better map, better story, better villains, 2 regions, the Red fight, doesn’t have lame shit like abilities, It’s just better all around. Eat shit OP.
I hate that zoomer faggots are allowed here now. Board ruined.

>> No.6938864

>>6936678
You have to be 18 to post here.

>> No.6938906

>>6937447
No, he means centering the maps on Saffron City Silph Co. Building (or another prominent landmark of your choice). Like a smart person would do.

>> No.6938907

>>6938861
>2 regions
The time wasted on that heavily-gimped Kanto should have gone towards making Johto bigger and better than it was.

>> No.6938919

>>6938907
Was there anything beyond physical cartridge size limits that would have prevented them from just sticking Kanto's Gen 1 map in, though?
They'd still need to remix encounters and everything, but I don't see why they had to cut down the map so much unless they physically couldn't fit more memory onto the GBC cart. God knows they had the funding.

>> No.6938947

>>6938919
GameFreak can't code efficiently for shit. I think it was Iwata who went and cleaned up G/S's data mess, and there was enough space left over that they could do more and so a reduced Kanto was thrown in as a post-game bonus.

>> No.6939041

>>6938864
Good thing I turned 18 6 years ago then

>> No.6939082

>>6938861
>Gen 2 has a real rival
Hard disagree. He's easily the worst of the rivals and barely even feels there half the time since he almost never does anything intersting. Course the rival in 3 is the exact same.

>> No.6939105

>>6938408
>You have to play the games 3 times to get them all
It's called trading and cloning neckbeard. Generally requires interactions with other human players.

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>>6939105
>cloning

also trading legendaries may mean you'll get the dex entry, but it won't mean you'll have them all

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>>6938414
Because you're an ignorant tard.

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>>6938861
>Gen 2 has a real rival
In terms of what? Gen III has 2 rivals.
>a day/night cycle
Gen III has full color.
>better music
There are a few tracks which beat out Hoenn's quality but for the most part you will find Hoenn superior: champion theme, trainer battle theme, wild battle theme, starting town theme, professor lab theme, Pokemon Center theme, and so on. We could do a point by point comparison if you insisted.
>better Pokémon designs
Now that's just flat out wrong. Johto has the worst designs of the first three regions.
>better animated sprites
Also wrong. Shall we do a comparison?
>has unique balls from Kurt
And Hoenn also has unique balls.
>a better map
Johto is small and empty and bland. Hoenn is the best region ever designed.
>better story
GSC's story is shit and the worst of the first three gens. Emerald's story is actually really good.
>better villains
Cucked and incompetent team rocket are better villains? Give me a break.
>2 regions
No, two halves of one region. They're both almost equally empty and inferior in content to having just one whole region like Hoenn. GSC creates the illusion of expanse.
>doesn’t have lame shit like abilities
Abilities and reworking DVs heightened the mechanical complexity and depth of the game. GSC is simplistic in comparison. Abilities being introduced were an objective improvement.
>It’s just better all around. Eat shit OP.
Seethe more dumb johtoddler. You've yet to prove shit.

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>>6938861
Grim reminder.

>> No.6939191

>>6939156
>including female playable character is a bad thing

entire image dismissed

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>>6939156
None of that really matters, also they repeat themselves and throw in personal opinions making this list seem really juvenile, very obviously someone butthurt about the fact that the later gen they grew up with isn't as good as Gen 2. Also:
>Easily the most bland and forgettable Pokemon designs
Really? When Pokemon past gen 3 exist? Do they honestly prefer ice cream cone, literal trash and fucking car keys Pokemon?

>> No.6939213

>>6939191
>entire image dismissed
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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>>6939210
>None of that really matters
>story being shit, new types and Pokemon being underutilized, regions being gimped and unfinished, mechanics being glitched, levels and scaling and difficulty being fucked, and pokedex completion being impossible "doesn't matter"
is there no cope to which johtoddlers won't resort?

>> No.6939227

Gen 3 is the worst selling gen of Pokemon for a reason.

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>>6939210
>Do they honestly prefer ice cream cone, literal trash and fucking car keys Pokemon?
As far as non-retro gens go I will say that they start going to shit at some point and never recover. But as far as the Japanese regions are concerned, this is absolutely true of Johto, that it is the weakest.

>> No.6939232

>>6939227
Yeah if only Gen II hadn't killed Pokemania hype by being so lackluster.

>> No.6940019

Johto is the worst balanced Pokemon game of the first three gens. You have Blissey and Skarmory in the same game as Azumarill and Sunflora.
If it wasn't for based Gen III's introduction of abilities, the latter would have been known as complete and utter irreedemable shit, which, again, you can thank Johto for.
In contrast, Hoenn's new mons are 5x better balanced, and deal with the fallout of Gen II's design decisions admirably.

>> No.6940571

>>6939109
it's not cheating if it doesn't require external code

>> No.6940869

>>6926421
I just really didn't like how they didn't do anything with the day/night cycle introduced in gen 2. I felt like that made the game look a lot prettier in general

>> No.6941259

>>6939156
I know this is a troll image, but
>forcing a female player character
Nobody forces you to play as a girl. This is retarded.

>> No.6941376

>>6940571
Keeping telling that to yourself maybe it'll become true

>> No.6941742

>>6926525
even with all those monsters gen 3 still has nothing i want

quality over quantity anon
gen 5 gives u based lillipup early and it becomes bro-tier saving you through to the end of the game

>> No.6941750

>>6940869
same, night looks so comfy in gen 2

>> No.6941757

>>6939223
>story being shit, new types and Pokemon being underutilized, regions being gimped and unfinished, mechanics being glitched, levels and scaling and difficulty being fucked, and pokedex completion being impossible "doesn't matter"
sounds like any pokemon game except for the regions

>> No.6941805

>>6940019
This only matters if you're a metafag. I played Pokemon for the single-player experience.

>> No.6941808

>>6939232
No, the delay killed the hype. Not the finished product. I'm speaking from personal experience.

>> No.6941815

>>6926421
*muffled fart noises and trumpets in distance*