*single handedly revives gaming

[Anonymous No.6921643]

Japan? What about Japan? Yeah we got some of those Nip programmers working for us, HAL. Atari? Atari's biting the dust, the Atari machines can't even compare to the Commodore. We're going to open up markets in Great Britain, Europe, get computers for the masses not the classes.

[Anonymous No.6921735]

>>6921643
>The speccy was massively popular in Spain
>The CPC was massively popular in France
>The C64 was massively popular in Germany.
Which one was the Italian system of choice?

[Anonymous No.6921738]

Honestly, the "computer for the masses not the classes" phrase is great, but in the grand scheme of things Tramiel fucked up big time, and Japan is still considered the saviour of gaming, like it or not.
*triggers you with a simple pulse line logo*
nothing personnel.

[Anonymous No.6921742]

>>6921738
>and Japan is still considered the saviour of gaming
Gaming never really died, people bought games, them being good or shitty is irrelevant. There was an industry.

[Anonymous No.6921759]

>>6921742
Depends how you want to look at it, really. Most of retrocomputer is taken as a joke, while retro console games from Japan are beloved to this day, even by younger audiences that don't have nostalgia for them.
The fact the Famicom logo is a pulseline is a fantastic coincidence (or is it?).

[Anonymous No.6921770]

>>6921759
>Depends how you want to look at it, really. Most of retrocomputer is taken as a joke, while retro console games from Japan are beloved to this day
So? The popular (and wrong) narrative is "Atari died and then no one wanted games anymore" not "Atari died and then the Western market (including America) moved to computers until the japs took over and made consoles popular again" which is what actually happened.

[Anonymous No.6921943]

>>6921643

>Refuses to recognize and compensate great talent in Commodore that brought him everything from PET to the C64
>Sues them when they leave
>Burns bridges with any and all retailer and supplier he works with, just to get short-term profit
>Aggressively pushes horribly quality computers to people who did not need them at little or no profit, over-flooding the home market and destroying future sales

>Eventually gets the boot that

>Buys Atari
>Steals new home computer project from Commodore to release it as ST
>Applies the same tactics
>Hardware stops selling a few years later due to said tactics
>Cant get any new projects going outside of prototype stages because of being a huge micro-managing penny-pincher
>Projects that do see the light of day never succeed because he didn't want to spend money to support them
>Atari goes bust because he cheaped out on development and documentation, resulting in an unfinished console that nobody knew how to code for
>Also just refused 2 million European Jaguar pre-orders because he didn't wanna pay higher taxes, just to ship all the stock to US, where it all sat in warehouses, unsold.

Well done, you filthy jew.

[Anonymous No.6922045]

The Tramiels were some of the worst business people in history. Sunk both Commodore and Atari back-to-back just for a few quick bucks.

[Anonymous No.6922048]

>>6922045
They trusted a jew...

[Anonymous No.6922809]

>>6921759
*Most of European retro computer is taken as a joke

Fixed.

>>6921943
Dude...Jack had nothing to do with the Jaguar; he'd retired by that time. That was Sam Tramiel's fault.

[Anonymous No.6922841]

>>6922045
They didn't sink Commodore, Irving Gould and Mehmet Ali did.

[Anonymous No.6922927]

Jack had his faults and was a dick but Commodore withered under his successors since they had no drive and were lazy complacent fucks who assumed they could milk way outdated hardware forever.

[Anonymous No.6922989]

>>6921643
>Remember goyim, computers are for da massed, not da classes!

[Anonymous No.6922995]

>>6922045
Based on what I've read, Jack was just clueless about marketing and relegated that to other departments. Sam was also a notorious bullshitter (i.e. the Jaguar interview in Next Generation) but he seemed to get along with everyone.

The Tremial everyone supposedly hated was Leonard.

[Anonymous No.6923047]

>>6921643
>*single handedly revives gaming
he was one of the reasons why the gaming crash happened, all due to ever decreasing prices for their computers. this is part of the reason why the c64 became one of the biggest selling computers in all of history. nothing could compete with it until the amiga came out, then nothing came even close to what the amiga could do until the 1990s.

>>6921735
>>The C64 was massively popular in Germany.
was popular all over the world. commodore pumped out millions of the things.

[Anonymous No.6923050]

>>6923047
Yeah he trashed the North American low end computer market. Europe wasn't affected but by 1984 there was nothing left here but Commodore.

[Anonymous No.6923105]

>>6922841
>Irving Gould and Mehmet Ali did.
they plundered it and drove it into the ground due to incompetence and mismanagement. instead of putting money into R&D they seriously believed a minor update to the platform would turn their fortunes around. by the time commodore released the amiga cd32, 600 and 1200, most people inside and outside of commodore knew they were well and truly fucked. US side of Commodore were completely incompetent at promoting these new abortions called computers. all of that work was done by a small group of people within Commodore UK. those machines would never have sold at all if Commodore UK weren't so passionate about the amiga and saving their own jobs.

[Anonymous No.6923123]

>>6923105
Commodore was actually making unholy amounts of money back then but most of that went into buying Irving Gould sports cars and beach homes in Hawaii. Jack didn't like him and hadn't wanted him to take over the company, had he not been expelled, he would have let his sons succeed him (though they were incompetent in a different way).

And yes, just before the bankruptcy in spring 94, they'd planned to turn over management of the entire company to the UK division.

[Anonymous No.6923141]

>>6922841
>They didn't sink Commodore, Irving Gould and Mehmet Ali did.

They all did. Tramiel fucked over all suppliers, retails and business partners during his time and flooded the market with cheap, shoddily built computers at almost no profit margins. Commodore might have been profitable in 1983, but, that came at the cost of future profits. They were in deep shit in 1984 thanks to him.

Gould and Ali just continued to fuck the company instead of trying to save it by slashing R&D to get short-term profits.

[Anonymous No.6923629]

>>6923141
>and flooded the market with cheap, shoddily built computers at almost no profit margins

Commodore's Q/C did get a lot better post-Tramiel although that was more just a general industry trend of improving hardware reliability as the personal computer industry was maturing. And yeah the early C64s were pretty flakey but it was a new machine and it took a while before they got the production process down pat.

[Anonymous No.6923647]

NOOOOOOOOO AMIGA SAVE ME!

[Anonymous No.6923651]

I agree that Commodore and Atari had a business model that was not sustainable in the long run.

[Anonymous No.6923662]

>>6922809
Jack dgaf about console games. Sam tried to get Atari back into the business but too little too late. And actually, after the Jaguar fiasco, Jack was planning to come out of retirement and try and save the company from his dumbass sons but they went bankrupt and got bought out by Hasbro.

[Anonymous No.6923768]

>>6921742
>them being good or shitty is irrelevant.
Astonishing post

[Anonymous No.6923815]

>>6921738
>and Japan is still considered the saviour of gaming
Only to dumb burgers

[Anonymous No.6923821]

>>6923815
>as we spent years trying to poorly clone/port Japanese arcade games on home computers

[Anonymous No.6924579]

>>6923815
Nah, Japan games are still beloved to this day.
Bong games? Eh.... mostly as a joke, maybe.

[Anonymous No.6924923]

He figured because he survived the Holocaust, it was his God-given right to grift the rest of the planet.