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6905113 No.6905113 [Reply] [Original]

What's a good paint program to imitate retro pixel/dot art?

Preferably something that can create automatic dithered patterns. I remember way back in 2013 an anon that used to paint PC 98 style anime girls on Zbrush for Amiga, is this a good idea?

>> No.6905127

Deluxe Paint for Amiga, not zbrush. Zbrush is a 3D modeling tool.

>> No.6905131

>>6905113
You'd have to use older programs, or see if you can find a dither brush to a modern program.

The biggest piece of the puzzle is a small initial size and a limited pallet.

>> No.6905146
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>>6905131
As long as your sprite is 16x16 and the palette is limited to 3 colors (+1 transparent) it should look legit.

>> No.6905702

>>6905113
Aseprite and load in the color palette for whichever system you're trying to make it look from.

>> No.6905869

>>6905113
mtpaint if you have the patience, it has very nice dithering patterns.

>> No.6906335

http://grafx2.chez.com/

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>>6906335
Cozy.

>> No.6907437

>>6905113
CSP has some decent pixel tools now, allow me to share them in a few moments.

>> No.6907948

bumpin

>> No.6907970

>>6905113
I use Gimp and I hate it. But it's all I know anymore.

>> No.6907975

You can setup Photoshop brushes and fill patterns to do pretty much anything. Also good for some light animation. No need to get a specialized tool.

>> No.6908068

>>6906335
This looks really cool. I used to dick around with Deluxe Paint for Amiga when I was a kid, and there are certain features I've always kind of missed in more modern software that this seems to have. Thanks, anon.

>> No.6908786

>>6906335
That's actually pretty good. I don't really like le ebik retro interface but it looks like a solid full featured program. It's also worth mentioning that it's opensource. I pretty much refuse to use closed source "shareware" shit so that's a big plus for me. And of course I can change/add whatever I want.

>>6907970
Have a look at grafx2 >>6906335. I mostly use GIMP but have worked with everything, from whatever last weeks version of photoshop was to DP and earlier stuff. I've only spent a few minutes with it and can already see that it addresses a lot of the problems GIMP and other modern stuff have with doing indexed old fashioned graphics. Basically like DP/Digipaint but runs on modern systems with plugins, lua, etc.

>> No.6908829

Based

>> No.6908867

>>6905113
US mspaint but zoom really really far in and then crop that part.

>> No.6909108

>>6908867
>US mspaint
But I want to do PAL graphics not NTSC. Can I use UK mspaint?

>> No.6909168

>>6909108
No anon only the USA and Japan make good games and we're on an 'English' website so......

>>6908867
*>Use

And just make the ratio 4:3 when you crop it.

>> No.6909257

ASEsprite is unironically the best program for spriting shit for modern hardware. Don't ever use any program that's made for illustration or drawing.

>> No.6909643

GraphicsGale

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>>6905113
rx
https://rx.cloudhead.io/

>> No.6909943
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6909943

>>6909168

>> No.6910047

paintbrush/mspaint but unironically
it was made by hand in most cases retard, don't try to make retroshit with modern solutions
>PC 98 style anime girls
found your problem, get /out/ EOP and play more video games instead of looking at screenshots of electronic books with pictures aimed at a manchild audience, one that I happen to be a part of

>> No.6910562

>>6909943
Fine, emulator near square ratios are fine too, but not of that wider than 4:3 ratio uk shit.

>> No.6910650

>>6908786
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>> No.6910689

Just use excel

>> No.6910704

>>6905113
Whatever you use, remember:
SNES style: Painterly. Minimal outlines and neutral palette
GBA style: High contrast. Dark outlines and bright palette
Indie: ...minimalist

>> No.6911012

>>6905127
>Deluxe Paint for Amiga

You'd have to be insane to subject yourself to that UI in this day and age.

>> No.6911018

>>6907975

> set up photoshop
Fuck Adobe

>> No.6911026

>>6909643
This is it and it is free

>> No.6911683

>>6911026
It's not it, but it is definitely the best free option.
Aseprite is the better commercial option.

>> No.6912752

>>6911018
nobody said to pay for it anon

>> No.6912801

>>6911012
Tell that to the grafx2fag

>> No.6912851

>>6911012
What's wrong with it? I used to love Deluxe Paint and don't remember having any issues with the UI. To be fair I haven't touched it since the 90s so maybe it'd be hard to go back to, I just can't think of a reason why.

>> No.6913483

>>6912851
>i've been drawing exclusively with crayons the last 30 years

>> No.6913504

Why do you need some special software? Pretty much anything will let you zoom in and color in pixel by pixel, which is all you need.

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>> No.6913802

>>6913483
That doesn't make any sense. I've used all kinds of graphics software since Deluxe Paint, I just haven't had an Amiga since the 90s.

>> No.6913909

>>6913802
If you had you'd know that UIs have moved on a lot since then

>> No.6914092

>>6913909
So you don't actually know why you think the Deluxe Paint UI is bad then. Got it.

>> No.6914218

>>6913707
This is real cool.

>> No.6915645
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>>6913707

>> No.6915834

>>6915645
>>6913707

Is there a link to a video of this, or is it just a webm?

>> No.6915868

>>6914092
>you need to give a details explanation of why a 20 year old UI aged like milk
lol

>> No.6915927 [DELETED] 

>>6915834
>>6913707
nvm found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VSEggr0bXI

>> No.6915930

>>6913707
Fucking linux and its confusing clipboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIdFor2WOnw

>> No.6915942

Pyxel Edit https://pyxeledit.com/

>> No.6916123

>>6915930
Yikes and yikes

>> No.6916463

>>6915868
>old things are bad because they're old, no further explanation needed
Have you forgotten what board you're posting on?

>> No.6916494

>>6916463
>using a broken old tool to imitate something old is the best way to do it because muh autism
wew lad. I smell cope.

>> No.6916519

>>6916494
I never said anything remotely like that though. I just asked what was bad about the Deluxe Paint UI. I wasn't even defending it. It was a genuine question.

>> No.6916585

>>6915930
protip: clipboard on copy-paste, and X's selection buffer usually in shift-insert (depends on desktop environment as well)

>> No.6916874

>>6916494
(You)'re trying too hard.

>> No.6917091

>>6916519
> I used to love Deluxe Paint and don't remember having any issues with the UI. To be fair I haven't touched it since the 90s so maybe it'd be hard to go back to, I just can't think of a reason why.
>>6916874
>i'm coping to hard

>> No.6917112
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>>6917091
I stand by it. You're trying too hard. You're not even invested in this, you're just wiping your ass on the carpet to get (you)s from idiots like myself.
I bet you don't even have any sort of stake or knowledge of good image editing software, I doubt you've even used any.

>> No.6917117

>>6917091
How are you getting
>using a broken old tool to imitate something old is the best way to do it because muh autism
from
> I used to love Deluxe Paint and don't remember having any issues with the UI. To be fair I haven't touched it since the 90s so maybe it'd be hard to go back to, I just can't think of a reason why.
?

>> No.6917450

>>6917112
>>6917117
Look who's trying too hard
>How?
By reading what a little hipster faggot wrote and laughing at it. Sorry sport but you tipped your fedora in the wrong thread. No one came here to listen to some douche talk about how they should use an old Amiga paint program today. And now that you're backpedaling you should just shut up and fuck of. Holy fucking autism.

>> No.6917467

>>6917450
I'm not even that guy. I'm just calling you out for trying too hard and not really contributing. Settle down

>> No.6917571

>>6907437
Hey! i know i took more then i said, but for CSP users, here they are, my collection of CSP pixel brushes!

https://files.catbox.moe/5r657a.rar

>> No.6917934

>>6911683
you can compile asperite yourself for free
they even provided official instructions
https://github.com/aseprite/aseprite/blob/master/INSTALL.md

>> No.6917935

>>6917450
>they should use an old Amiga paint program today.
I never said that, you illiterate retard.

>> No.6919410

>>6915834
I only have the webm, didn't know if there's any link

>> No.6919484

>>6917467
>i'm totally not that guy and it's totally you who's trying to hard.
>>6917935
>ackchyually i never said those exact words so i didn't say that
Whatever you say aspie

>> No.6919513

>>6905113
>>Preferably something that can create automatic dithered patterns. I remember way back in 2013 an anon that used to paint PC 98 style anime girls
amiga or pc version of dpaint still awesome to use. grafx2 also great.

>>6911012
>>6913483
nothing wrong with the UI. program functions perfectly fine. you're just one of those kinds of special spastics that
> can't draw
> can't work with limited colours
> needs epic filters and brush effects (photoshop) to make up for your dire lack of talent

>> No.6921312

bumpin?

>> No.6922257

>>6905113
CSP has dot/dithering brushes

>> No.6922261

>>6906335
>Nintendo Switch
homebrewing i assume?

>> No.6922269

>>6910689
excel is also great for designing maps

>> No.6922346

>>6919484
yerstupid

>> No.6923725

i hate aseprite, it was made by s.0.yboy developers who make those terrible "quirky" hisptro sprites, doesnt even have A COLOR TABLE like photoshop had. neither Csp has it.

DONT YOU DARE TO BRING UP GIMP, GIMP IS EXCREMENT.

any good alternative to photoshop? with color indexing and table? with multi project window separataion like CSP and not a chunky power hoag or meme tiny resolution with ugly UI?

>> No.6924464

>>6923725
Aseprite has huge, glaring problems. Many of them, in fact. ...And yet it is still my go-to for drawing sprites, because everything else is somehow even worse.

>> No.6924689

>>6924464
CSP could be great, perfect even.

IF ONLY THEY ADD INDEXED COLOR MODE AND COLOR TABLES.

That and actually making GPU and Ram useful so it doesnt run like shit.

But what are those problems you speak off?

>> No.6924709

>>6924689
ill give you that at least CSP has pixel lasso and continuous curve tools now that are waaaay more comfy to use then Aseprite, plus its better and more intuitive using layers and merging down and pasting and such.

but it still lacks those vital features, and the developers and Japautistic as fuck (they know the software is programmed like shit but in typical japanese stoicism, they suck it up)

>> No.6925083

bump

>> No.6925175
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>>6924709
>>6924689
>>6924464
well fuck, Graphics Gale has color indexing and table, BUT, NO FUCKING EYEDROPPER USAGE WHEN CHANGING THE COLORS FROM THE COLOR TABLE LIKE IN PHOTOSHOP!

THAT'S BULLSHIT! WHAT'S THE POINT!

THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING TO WORK WITH.!!!!!

>> No.6925326

>>6924689
CSP's lack of indexed color mode is made doubly mind-boggling by the fact that it can export animated gifs.

>That and actually making GPU and Ram useful so it doesnt run like shit.

I routinely handle 4k PSD's with 100mb+ file sizes in clip studio and it's fine. Aseprite, on the other hand, grinds to a halt if I try browsing to a folder with a large number of files in it,

My problems with Aseprite are that despite being aimed at making retro sprites, it doesn't actually support any bonafide retro color modes.
You can't set the bit depth. This makes things like blur and layer opacity almost useless. The eyedropper tool's 'nearest color' mode is also broken as hell.
On top of all that, it does an absolutely abysmal job of converting images to smaller palletes - photoshop is infinitely better at doing it.

For me, Aseprite's biggest strength is the resolution-independent reference layers. That's a function that every other progam seems to lack.

>>6925175
>THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING TO WORK WITH.!!!!!

Welcome to the world of computer graphics. You will forever end up juggling your art between different programs for different parts of your process.

>> No.6925334

>>6925326
>photoshop is infinitely better at doing it.

If only Adobe didnt went full Jewtarded and force you to do his new tyrincal system of pay license constantly to use it and removing the use of older versions of photoshop to being used in Win7 and 10.

>> No.6925370

>>6925334
To be clear, I have never paid for photoshop once in my entire life, or met anyone who has.

Just fucking pirate it like everyone else.

>> No.6925376

>>6925370
i was gonna get photoshop CS7 since is the last stable version, but sadly its the version that needs 1 fucking terabyte of space to being used.

what other versions work on win10?

>> No.6925384

>>6925376
CS5 and 6 work. 5 works better for me, for whatever reason.

I wouldn't worry too much what number is on the end of your version of photoshop - it's a lot like the year on the end of a football game. They just ship the same product with minor iterations. 99% of the functionality has been there since the late 90's.

>> No.6925410

>>6925384
thank you man.

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>>6925384
Welp, i got photoshop cs5 already know and imma happy cause i can index colors easely.

For the spriting tough im still using CSP.

>> No.6927065

Just going to mention Piskel exists. It's free, it can be run in a browser, and it's significantly more user friendly than any other pixel art system I've tried.

>> No.6928416
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6928416

The art for Xeno Crisis was done by Henk Nieborg, an oldschool artist perhaps best known for his art in The Misadventures of Flink, and Lomax.

A few years ago, I asked him what he used for Xenocrisis, and answered Cosmigo Promotion NG.

Promotion NG is a modern clone of Deluxe Paint, so no surprise that an old veteran like Nieborg would use it. I've tried it myself and... While it's clearly powerful, it's far from intuitive or beginner friendly. The interface and toolset have little in common with other modern graphics programs, and it's clearly designed primarily for people who used Delux Paint 30 years ago.

>> No.6928856

>>6925334
You're doing it wrong anon. So wrong. License is for commercial uses and the odd gullible dork like you.

>> No.6929010

>>6915834
it's in the metadata title of both webms

>> No.6929379

>>6928856
like what?

>> No.6929965

I love pixels

>> No.6929993

>>6925376
CS2 or CS3, I've been using the same pirated download for like 12 years or so.

>> No.6930038

>>6905146
you can do 6 colors if you have pretend you did the megaman trick

>> No.6930041
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>>6905113
I use Pyxel,
no dithering though

>> No.6930085
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>>6905113
I use GrafX2, inspired by DP and Brilliance

>> No.6930124

>>6928416
You are just untalented m8

>> No.6931570

>>6930085
>suffering that UI

why?

>> No.6932297

MSpaint is barebones, but people animate by continuously saving images and editing them. Essentially making frames.
Piskel and GraphicsGale if you want a free pixel art software to animated pixel art in and make spritesheets.
Piskel is very beginner friend with really simple interface. I'm suprised no on mentioned it
GraphicGale is better than Piskel, but feels dated and a bit harder to use. Also sprite rotation.
Aseprite can do everything the above can do and more pixel art related things.
Alot of people use Photoshop. It's worst than Aseprite, but people manage.
Tiled and Ogmo are free software to make tiles for pixel art.

There is a a lot of others.

>> No.6932340

>>6931570
I'm not suffering in any way. I also used DP for 25 years.

>> No.6933248

>>6932340
>I also used DP for 25 years.
Right, so you've got 25 years of experience with an archaic UI, and you've got no problem using a clone of it.

For anyone who didn't spend the last 25 years using DPaint, this shit is a nightmare.

>> No.6933913

>>6933248
show your stuff then

>> No.6934032 [DELETED] 

>>6933248
No it isn't. I'm also not retarded. I used so many tools, I can adopt to anything.

>> No.6934035

>>6933248
Your problem, not mine.

>> No.6934493

>>6932297
Kolourpaint is the old superior XP MS Paint but open source, with alpha channel, the ability to save and load palettes, better scaling options, and cropping from 7's Paint added. It feels excellent even though it still has some annoyances both new and left over from copying Paint. Still shit for indexed and dithering must be done by hand, so not for most pixel art. I'll probably check out the DeluxePaint clone and grafx2, interface is so important to workflow so function over form (although I'd argue retro interfaces also look better than modern shit, not just are more functional).

>> No.6935489

Bump

>> No.6937213
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>>6933913
>>6934035
After rebinding some hotkeys to more contemporary/common equivalents, I've beaten the worst out of the UI and I hate it a lot less now. It definitely has some strong points, particularly when it comes to producing art with real retro system limitations, which is an area of major weakness with most other software.

With all that said, though, Aseprite's reference layer function is so good that I still feel like Aseprite is the best starting point in my workflow even though I hate almost everything else about it.

>> No.6937304

>>6925376
You can find clean versions of Photoshop 3 and 6 online in old software repositories and they'll work on Windows 7, haven't tried on Windows 10.

>> No.6937532

>>6937213
if you get photoshop you can try this

https://2dwillneverdie.com/tutorial/the-making-of-el-zombo/

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>>6937213
Here's what i did jumpin between CSP and PS.

>> No.6937786

>>6937213
>>6937753
I wish I was this talented. I wanna draw one of a female ninja, with redhair. She would look similar to Mileena or Kitana from Mortal Kombat 2.

>> No.6937795
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6937795

I've been using Aseprite for a few years and I find the interface comfy as hell. Great tools for animation work.

>> No.6937828

in case anyone hasn't seen this yet:

https://youtu.be/aMcJ1Jvtef0


it's been a while since I've watched it, but I think he mentions some of the art software they used back in the day and how they got some of it running on modern pc's or like an updated version of it.

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6938461

>>6937532
Kinda-sorta gave it a shot. It works, but don't know how much I like the result.

>> No.6939084

>>6938461
that looks neat

>> No.6940924

>>6937753
The stacy stride

>> No.6941427
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6941427

good run

>> No.6941431

>>6937795
this looks really authentic

>> No.6941432
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>>6905113
i use paint tool sai but it is more tedious

>> No.6941470

>>6941431
I worked with a small color palette, so it should be pretty close to NES stuff. Though I'll be honest when I say I heavily based this on the intro from Shatterhand/Solbrain.

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>>6941470
where did you did the animation rendering? i use clip studio paint for the movie.

>> No.6941519

>>6941517
Well I rendered the animation as a gif through Aseprite, once I got all that crap sorted out I bashed together the other scenes for a trailer.

>> No.6942440

P I x e l s

>> No.6942460

>>6941517
Question. Are you a MAP and a Leftist?

>> No.6942495

>>6942460
No, you are a shitposter too young to shitpost asshat, get out.

>> No.6942515 [DELETED] 

>>6942495
>Seething over a simple question.
MAP Leftist pedophile cuckfirmed.

>> No.6943934

>>6942460
>MAP
huh?

>> No.6944015

>>6913707
uhhhh how can i use this program

>> No.6944186

>>6944015
It was done trough Clip Studio Paint, working with linear keyframe interpolation, fading in and out the opacity of the layers, and just using single images.

>> No.6944280

>>6943934
MAP = Minor Attracted Person

>> No.6944350

>>6944280
Just say pedo then

>> No.6944353

>>6944350
Yeah, but I wanted to see what his answer is without making it seem like I'm trolling him.

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>>6944280
>>6944350
>>6944353
Hey assholes, he is not a pedo, go back to fucking reddit and twatter you pair of s.0y.boys agitators, get the fuck out

And hopefully get your s.0.y.faces melted.

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6944383

>>6944369
Unfortunely this sjw s.0.yleeks are now to found a new hobby of derailer and causing sisaña on boards to start trouble and they are extremely pushy and deranged and unhinged like you have no idea.

but remember, the faggots who scream WAAAH PEDOMOFILE PEDOMAFILE at people for enjoying anime girls and fictional shit, 9 times out 10, they turned out to be projecting actual degenerates.

>> No.6944496

>>6944369
All SJW Leftists are pedos.

>> No.6944510

>>6913504
Win10 MsPaint does interpolation and a sort of linear filtering you don't want. Paint.NET at least lets you turn those off but no dither tools.

>> No.6945815

>>6905113
Cute

>> No.6947437

>>6945815
And

>> No.6947469

>>6906335
Based. Original DOS version even supported some weird 320x256 like on the Amiga. Seems like graphics cards or panels don't support this hack anymore.

>> No.6947796

>>6947437
Funny

>> No.6949261

>>6941432
>>6941427
Nice

>> No.6950524

>>6938461
Too big