/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6892536]

It was the best one.

[Anonymous No.6892542]

>>6892536
Yeah, I agree OP. it's my personal favorite of the 3D Zeldas

[Anonymous No.6892546]

Best Zelda? No
Best Zelda on Gamecube? No
Best game of 2006? Exactly right.

[Anonymous No.6892548]

>>6892542
It might be linear as shit but none of the other 3D games ever gave me the feeling that I had when I walked into Hyrule Field and heard that music for the first time.

[Anonymous No.6892549]

>>6892536
It was terrible.

Ocarina of Time on emulator was my first Zelda, loved it. Then I played Wind Waker on Gamecube, loved it. But Twilight Princess was so disappointing. I played all the way up to the final dungeon and kept telling myself "it's gonna get good soon, it's gonna get good soon, it's gonna get good soon" and it never did. It was so boring, the overworld was dead and lifeless, the dungeons were meh, the characters and story felt half assed. It's just one of those games you can only describe as "shit". It does nothing good, it does nothing right. I stopped playing it at the final dungeon and never once regretted it or felt like replaying it.

[Anonymous No.6892551]

>>6892549
You are gay and your father agrees with me.

[Anonymous No.6892559]

>>6892548
You don't have to convince me OP. It's my comfort 3D Zelda. I don't mind the linear aspect. The dungeons are great and the Midna mechanic is too.

[Anonymous No.6892560]

>>6892549
are you me (wait, Wind Waker sucked even more balls somehow, so, no)

[Anonymous No.6892565]

>>6892559
I know, I just wanted a reason to talk about how much I love this game's overworld.
>DOOOOD IT'S EMPTY
shut the fuck up faggots, it had actual monsters to kill unlike most 3D Zeldas with a ton of secrets and bugs to find, and the autistic mailman running up to you on a sunny day was the comfiest thing ever.

[Anonymous No.6892718]

>>6892546
>Best Zelda on Gamecube? No
wind waker is trash kys

[Anonymous No.6892738]

>>6892718
Even if four swords adventure wasn't on the gamecube, there's also the Zelda collection, and OoT+Masterquest.

[Anonymous No.6894020]

>>6892536
>>6892542
Yes. It's because it's the only true successor to Ocarina of Time. Marjora's Mask was more like a standalone expansion pack. Same engine, same graphics, same overall mechanics, just with some extra gimmicks and content. Wind Waker was the beginning of nu-Zelda and its success was responsible for the eventual ruination of the franchise. Twilight Princess was the last hurrah. One last attempt at a true next-generation successor to Ocarina of Time before they ran the franchise straight into the ground by catering to zoomers. It's not perfect for sure, but it's a final glimpse at the direction the franchise could have and should have gone. The moment they cancelled vid related and made BOTW instead is the definitive moment the franchise truly and indelibly died forever. I doubt Nintendo will ever make an OOT-like Zelda ever again after what a success it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvM1A_uHuI

[Anonymous No.6894031]

>>6892548
for me it was the initial exploring of ordon, rescuing the kids, and roaming around later as a wolf gaining entry into houses and talking to the cat

[Anonymous No.6894039]

>>6894031
Is this bait, or are you one of the 10 people in the world who genuinely enjoyed the first two hours of the game? Because TP is one of my favorite Zeldas and even I hated that part.

[Anonymous No.6894040]

Has there ever been any legitimate criticism for this game? All I ever heard was people crying about wolf Link

[Anonymous No.6894046]

>>6894039
I like to think of myself as a unique individual, and my momma agrees.
The worst part only lasts two minutes tops, less if you're good, it is the beaver bother minigame with goats from dk64. The rest of the few hours is spent setting up the world building, why you should care about everything, and introducing you to the main gimmick the wolf; which again I really like, it combines several pieces of equipment together into the most useful transformation in the franchise.
you name why people dislike TP, and I will likely tell you why it is a great thing in actuality believe it

[Anonymous No.6894062]

>>6892738
>four swords adventure
Hello? Based Department?

[Anonymous No.6894063]

>>6892536
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.6894076]

Oracle of Season/Ages was the best one
3D Zelda will never compete with 2D

[Anonymous No.6894087]

>>6892536
I like imp Midna and the dark tone creating a spooky atmosphere like those of the labyrinths in the very first one. It is a stretch to call it the best one when the others in the series were so good too.

[Anonymous No.6894094]

>>6894076

[Anonymous No.6894128]

>>6894087
>(You)

[Anonymous No.6894143]

My favorite Zelda. It's a pity Nintendo was always so adamant on turning the franchise into kiddy shit.

[Anonymous No.6894184]

>>6894094

[Anonymous No.6894193]

>>6894184
>OG, LA, and LttP that high
>oracles and albw that low
inconsistent

[Anonymous No.6894196]

Never played it. Should I play the Gamecube or the Wii version? Can you use the Gamecube controller on the Wii version?

[Anonymous No.6894198]

>>6894196
you can't even rotate the camera in the Wii version lol

[Anonymous No.6894209]

>>6894040
Terrible pacing. The beginning is the worst part but there are other parts as well, like all the bullshit you have to do between Temple of Time and City in the Sky. This is one of the few games where "It gets good after X hours" is actually true and not just a cope.

The tutorial is fucking terrible and drags on and on. The first dungeon is easily the worst and most underwhelming in the game. In fact, really the only good part in the first 5 hours or so is the part where you get teleported to Twilight Hyrule Castle. I suppose the hunt for the twilight bugs is alright, but even that is the worst twilight bug hunt in the game.

It's not completely terrible per say, but basically every aspect of the first 5 hours is weaker than what comes afterwords. The game really doesn't make a great first impression. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the people who say it's a bad game got filtered in the first 5 hours.

[Anonymous No.6894213]

>>6894196
The Wii U version is the best by FAR, and if you have any way of accessing it, whether by borrowing a friend's Wii U, buying a used one, or emulating it on a beefy rig, then that should be your first choice. If that isn't an option, then go with GC for the controls.

[Anonymous No.6894228]

>>6894213
nah, to the contrary it doesn't do enough to the graphics, the hero mode is nice but is a bit superfluous
worst thing by far is the defunct online service leaving useless collectibles everywhere replacing rupee chests
it even has on disc DLC which is like a sin in vidya

gamecube is the best version imho, wii u is something you should reluctantly play, the best thing about it is the native hdmi support

[Anonymous No.6894248]

>>6894193
>OG, LA, and LttP that high
>oracles and albw that low
consistent

[Anonymous No.6894251]

>>6894196
Gamecube. Ignore this tasteless dummy: >>6894213

[Anonymous No.6894268]

>>6894228
>best thing about it is the native hdmi support
How is that an advantage? Twilight Princess is a CRT game

[Anonymous No.6894276]

>>6894228
> doesn't do enough to the graphics
Meshes and textures are greatly improved without sacrificing the original's artstyle, which is basically the holy grail of remasters
> the hero mode is nice but is a bit superfluous
Then don't play it
> the defunct online service leaving useless collectibles everywhere replacing rupee chests
The game gives you plenty of rupees already. It's not like you were exactly hurting for cash in the original.
> it even has on disc DLC which is like a sin in vidya
Which wasn't in the original so you can safely ignore it. And if you really need to play it for some reason then just buy a bulk pack of NFC tags for 10 bucks and use your phone to encode them with the code. Or just emulate the NFC code for free in CEMU.

[Anonymous No.6894282]

>>6894251
I have no idea it's even possible to reach this level of retardation. Literally every criticism people have of it are OPTIONAL extra features, besides the muh rupees complaint, which is near meaningless in a game that showers you with them.

[Anonymous No.6894305]

>>6894248
links awakening 2 & 3 are great games, and so is link to the past 2
to rank them lower is asinine

[Anonymous No.6894308]

>>6894268
because it outputs to hdtvs?

[Anonymous No.6894316]

>>6894276
it only does 2 good things
1 is the gyro aiming
2 is the hdmi output
but it is needless

[Anonymous No.6894318]

>>6894268
Because it also has higher quality assets to go with it. The Wii U version has assets on the level of a 360/PS3 game and HDMI output so you can actually see all the detail they added.

[Anonymous No.6894324]

>>6894316
You are either half-blind or don't remember what the original looks like compared to the Wii U. The assets are DRASTICALLY better in the remake. It looks like an Xbox 360/PS3 game rather than a Gamecube game like the original.

[Anonymous No.6894353]

>>6894198
>>6894213
>>6894251
I have no way to play the WiiU version. I'll play the Gamecube one on my Wii with the GC controller on a CRT for maximum comfy level.

[Anonymous No.6894376]

>>6894353
based you wont regret it, everyone claims it has a slow start but it is a long slow burning game with epic boss set pieces, and when it over it hits like a truck
>>6894324
go play your switch normie

[Anonymous No.6894387]

>>6894376
> has no argument so resorts to ad-homenim attacks
You still have not provided ANY valid reason for the Wii U version being worse besides the rupees complaint, which is basically fucking nothing.

[Anonymous No.6894415]

I enjoyed going through the dungeons, but the stuff in between was weird and confusing

[Anonymous No.6894749]

>>6892536
It could have been great if the it was more difficult, open from the start and had two worlds, like it was supposed to have.

Also the beggining is too slow.

[Anonymous No.6894841]

>>6892548
>the feeling that I had when I walked into Hyrule Field and heard that music for the first time.
this is such a banal set of words that you could have just abbreviated the whole thing and everyone would still know what you were saying.

[Anonymous No.6894854]

>>6892551
that doesnt mean your own father approves of you. he never will and its because youre a sissy and an idiot and hes on drugs.

[Anonymous No.6894882]

>>6892536

[Anonymous No.6894886]

>>6894882

[Anonymous No.6895000]

>>6894749
filtered

[Anonymous No.6895094]

>>6894749
> two worlds
Shit, really? It was supposed to have this? Man, that would have been awesome. Like ALTTP but in 3D. I knew it felt like they had sort of given up on the twilight realm mechanic by the second half of the game, but I had no idea it was originally this ambitious.

[Anonymous No.6895126]

>>6895094
yeah, I believe Aonuma said something along these lines. The Twilight world originally was supposed to be the Dark World, that's why Link become a wolf. You could change between both worlds and stuff. But it was too ambitious. It's basically creating two games.

[Anonymous No.6895131]

>>6895094
>>6895126
Forgot to say, the only thing remaing from this idea is that Twilight dungeon.

[Anonymous No.6895412]

>>6892549
>It does nothing good, it does nothing right.
Wrong, at the very least the music is fantastic and we got a top tier waifu out of it.

[Anonymous No.6895413]

>>6894039
The only part of the beginning I hated was the fishing

[Anonymous No.6895481]

>>6895413
yea I gotta say the fishing wasn't too enjoyable was it

[Anonymous No.6895491]

>>6892546
>2006

Did it come out that late? Thought the GC was dead by then...

[Anonymous No.6895547]

>>6894040
You can't turn off the tutorial goblin. You think Nintendo would make those things optional for people who already know how to play video games.

[Anonymous No.6895670]

>>6895547
Midna is nowhere near as bad as Phi though.

[Anonymous No.6895679]

>>6895670
She exists, she's as bad by default.

[Anonymous No.6895721]

>>6892565
it's far far less empty than BotW and people heap praise on game with its featureless golf course of an overworld nonstop

[Anonymous No.6895732]

>>6895721
Damn right. Good games get praised.

[Anonymous No.6895748]

>>6892565
The sections of the overworld and sectioned off so poorly that it feels like bunch of small isolated areas instead of one large overworld, and specific places are very blatantly designed for scripted events which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that the game forces you to go through those scripted events BEFORE you get to freely explore that area, so by the time you do get to freely explore that whole place is completely useless except for finding a bug or a 1/5th heart.

Way too many paths in the game are blocked off by little sidequest puzzles which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that warping is usually much faster and easier even if the path is already unlocked.

In OoT, you could explore Gerudo Desert, Lake Hylia early and it's rewarding because you get to see these areas a little early and get some foreshadowing.
In twilight princess, they drag you along a mandatory even, hunting the bugs that gives you a long tour of the area, and then another mandatory even fighting enemies on horseback, and THEN you get to explore the area of the game, even though it's no longer relevent now and you have nothing to look forward to from it. THAT'S what makes it feel so empty.

[Anonymous No.6895750]

>>6892536
Damn straight

[Anonymous No.6895758]

>>6894062
>TP, may not be the best Zelda game, but it's the best Zelda game on Gamecube
>Forgets that there are 7 Zelda games on Gamecube (11 if you count the gameboy Player)

Twilight princess isn't even in the top 3 gamecube zeldas

[Anonymous No.6895762]

It's weird that there weren't more Zelda spinoffs than just the Tingle games and Hyrule Warriors. I bet they could have done a neat Fire Emblem-style game or something. A 2d fighter would have been great too but maybe too improbable with Smash already existing.

[Anonymous No.6895770]

>>6894376
> based you wont regret it, everyone claims it has a slow start but it is a long slow burning game with epic boss set pieces, and when it over it hits like a truck
I've been going back to learn to enjoy slower things and be patient. I played the GC Wind Waker and it wasn't boring when I was about 16, so why should it be boring at 27?

[Anonymous No.6895776]

>>6895762
Links Crossbow training.

On a more VR. note, I think a Mario party game would have fit OoT Hyrule pretty well.

[Anonymous No.6896065]

Why the hell can't one use a Gamecube controller in Skyward Sword? The Wii has GC ports for a reason...

[Anonymous No.6896096]

>>6895547
>>6895679
Midna is the ONLY good Zelda companion ever in the franchise because she actually has a personality and is important to the story.
>>6896065
Because it was designed from the ground up for the waggle. NGL though, it's easily the best waggle implementation of any Wii game. It's the closest Nintendo ever came to realizing their lofty ambitions for motion controls.

[Anonymous No.6896190]

>>6892536
Least memorable Zelda in the entire series, even more so than cdi Zelda

[Anonymous No.6896209]

>>6896065
If it weren't obvious by the fact that basically every fucking interaction in the game in some way shape or form uses the shitty WM+ gyroscope, Nintendo was pushing WM+

I'd die for a standard controller romhack of Skyward sword. Drop the motion controls for all the stupid shit like flaping your birds wings or inserting keys into doors, and pretty much just give the sword the same controls as MGR's sword, and that get would become go from a 6/10 to the 8/10 it deserves to be.

[Anonymous No.6896248]

>>6896096
No companion is good. Midna completely ruins the game by existing.

[Anonymous No.6896261]

>>6894308
>>6894318
Outputting TP to an HDTV just makes it look like garbage, and the new assets look terrible. It's a game that looks best, by far, on a CRT

>so you can actually see all the detail they added.
No thanks. I'll play with the original art by talented artists on a high quality analogue display, not some incoherent Frankenstein's monster shat out by a bunch of Australian hacks

[Anonymous No.6896274]

>>6894324
>It looks like an Xbox 360/PS3 game rather than a Gamecube game like the original
Is that supposed to be a good thing?

[Anonymous No.6896276]

>>6896261
Yeah, played some GC games with a CRT and it’s surprising how much better the textures look than running it through dolphin at a higher res

[Anonymous No.6896281]

>>6894305
>link to the past 2
Link Between Worlds is grotesque. Do you even have eyes? Did you play it using Braille? Link to the Past is a timeless masterpiece. LBW is modern b-team digital vomit

[Anonymous No.6896428]

>>6896281
grow up idiot

[Anonymous No.6897342]

>>6895758
You're objectively wrong

[Anonymous No.6897359]

>>6897342
>Zelda 1
>Zelda 2
There's only room for one more after that, but it's a fight for a distant third.

[Anonymous No.6897371]

>>6896274
Yes? The game was already a precursor to PS360 brown & bloom, just with worse assets because of weak Nintendo hardware. The Wii U version gives it better assets that measure up to the generational aesthetic it was aspiring towards.

[Anonymous No.6898293]

>>6895491
Simultaneously released for GC and Wii.

[Anonymous No.6898329]

It could have surpassed Ocarina of Time if it wasn't excruciatingly boring until about the third dungeon.

[Anonymous No.6898379]

>>6898293
What was the better version?

[Anonymous No.6898393]

>>6898379
Dolphin

[Anonymous No.6898394]

>>6892536
I don't hate it but it really does feel like they didn't enjoy the backlash over WW so they just played it as safe as possible and made OOT 2.0. A lot of features of if it feels like it was only added cause it was cool in theory but then they didn't do enough with.
Stuff like the wolf, the top and the rod are the prime examples off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.6898431]

>>6898394
it has a lot of cool new ideas and I sure wish they'd come back more fleshed out

[Anonymous No.6898503]

>>6898393
>unstable FPS in open field
No

[Anonymous No.6898510]

>>6898503
easily solvable with a newer version or a code, I just have a vendetta against the HD version (deservingly)

[Anonymous No.6898730]

>>6898293
Nope, they released a month apart. Wii version came out to coincide with the Wii launch in November. TP GC wasn't till December.

[Anonymous No.6898746]

>>6898394
It structures a lot more like a padded-out JRPG with content partitioned into standalone "continents" than a regular spread-out Zelda game disguised behind exposition and hint companions like OoT was. The aesthetic with super deformed character anatomy but "realistic" detail and color is about all they have in common, and that didn't really work at all for when TP came out. Part of me wonders if the team was so dedicated to making Twilight Princess as they would an N64 game that they forgot the GC didn't auto-filter textures and that's why they all look like shit.

>>6898379
GC has camera controls that aren't in the Wii version, but they don't grant as much control as the ones in WW. Wii version has a fishing and marble maze minigame that aren't in the GC version.

[Anonymous No.6898830]

8.8 was way too high for this piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.6898832]

>>6898510
thats fine, just play it on GC, Games on GC look fantastic on CRT

[Anonymous No.6898850]

>>6898830
> TP actually has a higher user score than BOTW
AHAHAHA you can't make this shit up. Breathlets forever BTFO.

[Anonymous No.6898857]

>>6898850
15k shitposters that gave it a score that high is honestly more impressive

[Anonymous No.6898864]

>>6898850
>96
>97

Why do game journalists suck Zelda's dick so much?

[Anonymous No.6898871]

>>6897342
I am indeed objectively wrong. I didn't count master quest as a serperate game, because I felt that would be too unfair. If you insist, though.
(Zelda 1, Zelda 2, OoT, Master Quest, Majora's Mask, Windwaker, Four Swords Adventures, and Twilight Princess) 8 games.
(A Link to the Past Advanced, Links Awakening, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, Minish Cap) 5 games.

[Anonymous No.6898872]

>>6898850
this isn't /v/ you idiot

[Anonymous No.6899213]

>>6898864
Emperor's New Clothes. After a revolutionary landmark game, journos like to pretend the sequels are good as well because no one wants to be the first to admit that the series has gone downhill and be either a buzzkill for the hype, or worse, be accused of "not getting it". There are many such cases. Bioshock Infinite, Mass Effect 3, TLOU2, Death Stranding (not a sequel but same concept) and most of all, Nintendo.

It's yet another part of the reason why companies love to shit out sequels till the end of time once they find something that works; it's pretty much a guarantee of good reviews unless they REALLY fuck up badly.

[Anonymous No.6899243]

>>6899213
Wind Waker was the worst for this. Reviewers bending over backwards to shill. "Can you believe we EVER wanted to see Ocarina Link better graphics? UGH Soul Calibur 2? PASS. This little cartoon guy is the BEST! This game is PERFECT sure you sail doing nothing for too long and the game is way too easy BUT IT'S PERFECT FLAWLESS TEN OUT OF TEN"

[Anonymous No.6899308]

>>6898864
name a game like them

[Anonymous No.6899336]

>>6898746
>fishing and marble maze minigame

Anyone know if that's in the Wii U remaster?

[Anonymous No.6900091]

>>6898864
Because Zelda games, even the worst non-2 ones, are all good.