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>Considered a revolutionary camera system that changed gaming forever and provided an immersive and intuitive experience
>People still complain about the camera ad nauseam to this day

Just stop already, it’s embarrassing

>> No.6875680

>>6875673
>ad nauseum
Why do people who can’t speak Latin use Latin phrases in their daily speech? It’s like saying “por favor” instead of please.

>> No.6875684

I never had any problem with the camera in this game. I think it's just people making up excuses when they miss a jump.

>> No.6875685

>>6875673
I played Super Mario 64 again recently and it controlled like a charm. The camera was never a huge issue. Is this just a problem made up by zoomers who haven't played it?

>> No.6876710

>>6875680
Because western civilization is all about larping as the romans and ancient greeks.

>> No.6876713

compared to modern stuff? yeah it's horrible. but compared to contemporary crap like castlevania 64, much better

>> No.6876714

>>6875673
the camera will often get into locked perspectives depending on where you are in a level and that's really fucking annoying

>> No.6876719

>>6875680
every language in the history of the world has borrowed words. go yell at clouds somewhere else

>> No.6876759

>>6875685
Zoomers are used to the more adjusted cameras these days. I wouldn't say Super Mario 64's camera is bad (I've never had a problem with it) but I can see how a zoomer wouldn't like it. Same shit they complain about with tank controls.

>> No.6876765

>>6876759
tank controls are fucking stupid though. unless you're in a tank. I will never play resident evil, ever

>> No.6876782

>>6875673
I think people's complaints about the camera are excessive, it's only a bit uncooperative in a couple of spots in the entire game (which is pretty large), otherwise it works great. It helps that the movement controls are really smooth.

>>6876713
I don't think it's bad even by modern standards.

>>6876759
I don't particularly like tank controls, but I think they're workable enough, Resident Evil is still really good.

>>6876765
You're missing out. Give Resident Evil 4 a try, it's not as horror oriented, but the camera is stuck to the player character in a 3D environment, rather than a fixed camera in a pre-rendered environment. It's easier to get into if you've never played the other games before. Also it's a really fun game, and it has enough of a spooky mood to be fit for October.

>> No.6876854

>>6875680
Por favor, mate, stop being a retard.

>> No.6876858

>>6876713
People were criticizing the camera even in 1996.

>> No.6877563

>>6876719
It’s just asinine when someone doesn’t know Latin
>>6876854
>stop being a retard
Did my critique really upset you this much?

>> No.6877587

>>6877563
>It’s just asinine when someone doesn’t know Latin
Why? Because you say so? Fuck off

>> No.6877710

>>6877587
Because it’s a dead language and recycling idioms from it is misguided for someone who doesn’t understand it.

>> No.6877745

>>6877710
why, though?
not that i really give a shit what you think about it, you shouldn't say it's bad unless you have evidence of how it hurts anything

>> No.6877761

>>6877745
Well again, I wouldn’t nitpick someone using idiomatic Latin who actually knew how to use it.

>> No.6877764

>>6876858
>>6876713
the problem was that people were not used to needing to fight a camera at all before then, for many people, this was their first game with a freely moving camera
nobody had to think about the camera in 2D games or fixed-track camera games, but now we have a camera which only /tries/ to follow you around, rather than having perfect, pre-made angles throughout the game
what this means is that it's now possible t get bad angles, or to have the camera slam into walls or get stuck on things and the like
they did a good job all things considered, this was just a new problem for many people

>> No.6877779

>>6877710
you are autistic, I mean this in the literal unironic sense

>> No.6877783

>>6877764
Am I the only one that just never adjusts the camera outside of going first person? Even today I just never feel a need to. It’s not that the angles and camera is perfect but it’s never that bad where I feel I need to adjust it at all

>> No.6877789

>>6877783
na, people today who are used to 3d cameras shouldn't have trouble with it (though it's not quite a modern camera in that there's no second stick to control it)

>> No.6877794

>>6877783
I guess it depends on how familiar you are with the level layouts.

>> No.6877805

>>6877789
I honestly never did on release too once I got the hang of it. It always felt like trying to adjust beyond looking around directly just messed things up. The camera follows you at good enough angles most of the time to not need adjusting imo.

>> No.6877823

>>6877805
yea, look, my post is not calling it a bad camera, quite the contrary
the issue is that while this is a "not bad camera", we came from "perfect camera", in the sense that in 2D games and games like say, Crash 1 which have cameras on rails, the cameras is always perfect and there are no cases where it can possibly give you a bad angle, so while sm64's camera was good enough for a freely-following 3D camera, it was an apparent step down from what we had before
of course, if you think about a bit, you'll realise the problem sm64 faces is much larger than previous games, and that a pre-programmed camera track is not feasable (if at all possible), so it's really just not fair to compare it to those games

>> No.6877826

>>6875673
Yeah, I have to admit the camera annoyed me 90% of the time. But when it worked, it really....

Was kinda mediocre...

>> No.6877848

>>6875673
>STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME
What do whiny faggots like this think they're accomplishing? This is why nobody likes Nintendo fans.

>> No.6877850

>>6877779
Whatever helps you cope with being retarded

>> No.6877887

>>6877783
I feel like I'm constantly spinning the camera around even in games like Spyro, M64 and Banjo, games that relatively had good controls/camera compared to the field.

>> No.6878464

i remember the remark "that fucking camera" or "i cant fucking see" being made in our house about lots of games in that generation. sm64 included

>> No.6878530

>>6878464
3D cameras aren't an easy problem to solve
the solution ended up being just "here's another stick, you deal with it"
but until that became available (dualshock, 1997), we had to deal with awkward angles

>> No.6879467

The problem with SM64s camera becomes apparent in mods. Base game is fine when you understand how it works (most younger people dont at first, myself included when it came out), but there is a whole lot of scripting in levels keeping the camera in check for certain rooms. When you play a mod and they dont account for the camera, it really struggles. Especially in underwater to surface transitions

>> No.6879470

>Considered
[by whom?]

>> No.6879479

>>6875673
Super Mario 64 was fine.

Super Mario Galaxy's camera, on the other hand...

>> No.6879481

Can confirm the camera was dogshit back in 96. Anyone disagreeing is a liar.

>> No.6879497

>>6879481

People playing on emulators forget about the analog stick and c buttons for camera controls so cant understand how clunky it is in practice. Its a pretty big adjustment for a large portion of the audience coming from the snes.

>> No.6879510

>>6879467
This you can see it latch on to corners of rooms in the haunted mansion level for example.

>> No.6879653
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6879653

>>6879470
go back to bed jimbo

>> No.6879659

>>6879497
Yes the pad is awful now, but back then it was a complete abomination. The stick was weird, in a weird place and the button layout was also weird. Zoomers don't understand that the dual shock didn't exist back then and all previous attempts at integrating sticks and pads were regarded as novelties. I sat out the 5th gen, mainly because I was old enough to drink, but also because I borrowed a 64 and was thoroughly underwhelmed.

>> No.6879683

>>6876765
Low IQ

>> No.6879847

>>6875680
Why does English exist

>> No.6879887

>>6879481
>>6879497
>>6879659
The controller wasn't that bad at all, zoom zoom.

>> No.6879893

>>6879887
Retard.

>> No.6879906

>>6879893
>>6879887
It was the first controller with dedicated camera controls. Why the fuck do people think they’re called the “C”buttons. To be cute?

>> No.6879924

>>6879659
>The stick was weird,
Not really.

>in a weird place
You put your hand around the grip and the thumb on the stick, that's weird? Are we going to get into le three hands meme next?

>and the button layout was also weird.
Not that weird.

>> No.6879970

>>6879924
Thanks for your worthless opinion.

>> No.6880996

>>6879659
>he forgot to change his name
N64 controller was fine

>> No.6881223

>>6879970
Yes, your opinion was indeed quite worthless.

>> No.6881235

>>6875673
revolutionary =/= good

>> No.6881259

>>6880996
Oh look that faggot who wants to be me is back.

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6881294

>>6881259
Where's your hash, impostor?

>> No.6881297

Brap anon, where you at?

>> No.6881316

>>6881294
I don't smoke hash, you degenerate piece of shit.

>> No.6881318

>>6877710
>idioms
incorrect usage brainiac, but nil desperandum, I have taught you something and you are better for it.

>> No.6883094

>>6875673
thank you so much for'a panning my frame

>> No.6883097

>>6883094
How do you feel about 6th gen?

>> No.6883110

>>6877710
How about you get over it?

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6883346

>>6883097
Melee, GTA, and a bunch of crap

>> No.6883423

the cameras and controls pissed me off but I assume that's because I suck ass at the later levels and had a shitty controller. better then banjo kazooie cameras tho.

>> No.6883794

>>6875685
For me it was that KACHUNK whenever you tried to rotate the camera around Mario. It was jarring as all hell, what fucking game tells you No?

>> No.6883804

>>6877563
Everyone laugh at the seething brainlet! Better cope by dilating you zoomer

>> No.6883889

It's just a zoomer cope for why they can't enjoy things, same as with tank controls

As if it took more than 2 seconds to realize that up is relative and not absolutelike it's a 3d and not 2d environment, yes?

No one in real life ever complained about the controls at the time, it's just zoom zooms on the internet

Maybe americans, but they're special

>> No.6883948

>>6875673
Most of the time the automatic camera tries to position itself behind you and isn't a big deal. Most of the time, because when it doesn't, that's when it becomes an arbitrary bitch that decides when it can move and when it refuses to without indication, gets hung up on walls or beneath platforms you've ascended past, and seemingly wants to ride up Mario's anus or pan out to a quarter of a mile.

>> No.6884269

>>6875673
Tell me one way in which the camera is revolutionary.