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comodore 64 Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:08:36 2020 No.6843753 [Reply] [Original]

wow what the fuck the games on here are terrible, the memory limitations completely destroy any possibility of games being anything other than extremely simplistic arcade experiences, maybe the adventure games got a bit more mileage out of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:10:07 2020 No.6843757 at least its not a zx spectrum

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:16:09 2020 No.6843769

Eurobros, I love you, but I can't take you seriously when say any games on your 8-bit computers are still good.
Sure, there are probably games that are OK, but for the most part, they just look like shit. The fact they all (or at least most of them) only use a joystick and one button doesn't help them either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 10:23:27 2020 No.6843954 >>6843769 >BUH-BUH-BUH BUT MUH SPECCY

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 11:51:30 2020 No.6844261 File: 90 KB, 623x432, mos-technologies-factory_new_hope_pennsylvania.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Since when was the C64 a European-designed and built computer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 11:55:15 2020 No.6844281 >>6844261 Exactly. Why were American computers so shit?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:13:03 2020 No.6844346 >>6844261 >>6843757 >>6843769 Eurobro never have great Japanese computer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:17:31 2020 No.6844354 >>6843769 >only use a joystick and one button Or: >I hate 80's arcades Not the board for you, interloper. Out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:26:54 2020 No.6844405 ITT: OP comes to the amazing realization that 1982 hardware isn't an Nvidia quad core PC with 12GB of RAM.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:34:06 2020 No.6844442
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>MSX
>PC-98
>X68000
Soulfull computers that laid the foundations for the amazing console games to follow
>C64
>Amiger
embarrassing shit without a single good game, bringing only shame on the country that made them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:43:34 2020 No.6844478 OP was filtered by Montezuma's Revenge because it was too hard for him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:00:39 2020 No.6844556 >>6843769 i know rite. i watched some old movies the other day. no sound black and white how could anyone say they were ever good? why would anyone discuss them? if i found the films i would burn the lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:07:00 2020 No.6844579 It's almost like it predates the NES by 3 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:11:41 2020 No.6844594 File: 1.10 MB, 1807x738, Imagine being a eurocuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:17:53 2020 No.6844617 >>6844594 >>6844579

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:18:41 2020 No.6844621 File: 1.21 MB, 1288x480, These were both released in 1987.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844617

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:19:47 2020 No.6844625 >>6844442 >Amiger >embarrassing shit without a single good game Another World. Pinball Fantasies. Lemmings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:20:31 2020 No.6844629 >>6844621 Why about my earlier post did you not understand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:21:15 2020 No.6844631 File: 390 KB, 1901x761, A 10 out of 10 in jolly ol england.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844629

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:23:16 2020 No.6844641 >>6844631 clearly everything. sage

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:29:39 2020 No.6844671 >>6844579 It's only 11 months older (C64 released August 1982, Famicom released July 1983)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:35:00 2020 No.6844695 File: 1.06 MB, 1901x761, JUST.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:36:24 2020 No.6844705 >>6844671 Either way they're not even comparable. The Commodore 64 was a proper computer that could do more than just games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:47:28 2020 No.6844750 File: 147 KB, 1533x636, 7088.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it me, or does this thread look very famil...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:48:27 2020 No.6844753 >>6844750 >/vr/ was better before the merge

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:49:34 2020 No.6844759 File: 630 KB, 1228x479, These were both released in 1990.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844750 Always nice to see a fan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:55:07 2020 No.6844789 >>6844759 Find me a NES game (or demo) to match this: https://youtu.be/rAydqPidZZY Or even: https://youtu.be/OBEfKMFq8lo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:56:04 2020 No.6844792 File: 1.16 MB, 1825x762, Virgin vs Chad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844789 Find me a single C64 game worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:56:54 2020 No.6844796 >>6844695 I wouldn't say the NES graphics are necessarily better. More resolution but still very monochromatic. Really of major 8-bit platforms, only the Master System has very nice graphics without annoying color/resolution limitations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:58:08 2020 No.6844802 File: 916 KB, 1288x480, These were both released in 1987 b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844796 >I wouldn't say the NES graphics are necessarily better You might wanna get your eyes checked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:58:36 2020 No.6844803 >>6844792 Last Ninja

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:01:32 2020 No.6844816 File: 148 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844796 >only the Master System has very nice graphics without annoying color/resolution limitations For example.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:11:37 2020 No.6844867

>>6844796
>I wouldn't say the NES graphics are necessarily better. More resolution but still very monochromatic
the Famicom is a very limited machine. it only has a tiny amount of memory and needs add-on cartridge hardware to do almost anything more than really short, limited arcade-style games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:18:07 2020 No.6844883 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtF4AoKAJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3luUb7WEm7k Come on. The NES version they couldn't even be bothered to add the game intro sequence with the spaceship.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:20:23 2020 No.6844890 >>6844883 Can the C64 not even play Arkanoid at a decent framerate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:21:56 2020 No.6844893 >>6844890 The video's not even 60 FPS. Tons of Pootube recordings of classic games are like this. Either 30 FPS or they were recorded on a literal potato and drop frames like your mom's panties in a dog kennel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:27:28 2020 No.6844908 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FlinBI6ck Even the Spectrum port of Arkanoid managed to get the intro in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:29:42 2020 No.6844917 File: 318 KB, 925x1050, zniggy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844908 As if the C64 wasn't bad enough, lets break out the speccy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:29:42 2020 No.6844918 >>6844594 >This just in! Nintendo is an AMERICAN company! Yawwwwnn...

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:38:19 2020 No.6844952
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Actually the missing intro on the NES Arkanoid is easy to explain. The game was a CNROM release with two CHR ROM tables and they they ran out of space to fit the intro. Fitting it would require an additional CHR table which meant going up to a 32k CHR ROM and they couldn't justify the cost of this solely for that. So they left the intro out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:42:29 2020 No.6844973 >>6844893 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3g2Zm2bMbs I saw Summer Games II running on a C128 once and on real hardware it was definitely 60 fps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:51:26 2020 No.6845010 As an ameriburgerlard, I grew up with both a C64 and a NES. Never had a real preference for one or the other. They both had games I liked.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:53:19 2020 No.6845017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMPd1yhNFWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpZGD6m4xOg

Both of these vids have framerate issues btw. Also the NES version is missing a bunch of junk because it's a 128k ROM and they couldn't fit everything from the computer versions which all used a double sided floppy (on C64 that would equate to 340k total space).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:56:27 2020 No.6845029 >>6845017 Damn the C64 can really play that shitty game well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:57:45 2020 No.6845034 >>6844802 Damn, left looks pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:06:10 2020 No.6845067 >>6845029 what's wrong with Winter Games?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:20:46 2020 No.6845139

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSp8XHpEKzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FupPnY0bmLQ

California Games. The NES Winter Games was developed by some bedroom coder Japanese studio, but CG was done by Rare and as usual, Rare were cheap pieces of shit who wouldn't pay for ROMs bigger than 128k, so more stuff missing including the score screen with the beach people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:23:30 2020 No.6845154 >>6845139 You have me convinced, the C64 really is the place to play shitty games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:24:14 2020 No.6845158 >>6844792 Neuromancer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:26:19 2020 No.6845163 >>6844792 Project Firestart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:26:40 2020 No.6845168 None of the Epyx "Games" series translate that well onto the NES's D-pad. They need an eight directional joystick and on PC compatibles you had analog sticks which were even better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:26:41 2020 No.6845169 >>6843753 It was supposed to be better than the Atari 2600 and Vic 20. Only Eurotards think it can compete with the NES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:31:40 2020 No.6845191 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW_JcA65juU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIzP5TMp85M NES wins for having the worst Garfield game ever, so bad it was not released outside Japan.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:46:34 2020 No.6845258

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TBkOtDoaBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoM0vGVqtDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_PrG8P5W8o

Where's the intro and the pie factory and what did you do with them, Nintendo? (two C64 vids linked because it's not shown in one of them)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:58:12 2020 No.6845330 >>6844792 Gauntlet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:01:15 2020 No.6845352 >>6844883 >C64 version S O U L

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:03:25 2020 No.6845362

>>6845330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEDoA_l-PLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hepP5EnDAac

The C64 had two versions of Gauntlet, a European and a US NTSC release and there don't seem to be any videos of the latter anywhere so I don't know what that's like, and almost all downloads you can find online are the European Gauntlet.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:04:40 2020 No.6845367

>>6844405
This.

Entitled zoomers >>6843753 here's the @ you wanted to justify your miserable existence because you can't go 2 seconds without a 'like' or a retweet or some shit like that

A 1980's machine but it had a huge catalogue. What sounds like obvious concepts like "shops" you can spend points on in games and that sort of thing started on the c64.

Andrew Braybrooks games, Sensible Software etc, some real legends started there and I am sure they have no regrets.

If you want a list of games that could hold up today @me with what you like and I can think of something I'm sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:14:03 2020 No.6845415 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMcvOpPuy8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrMk9RyCWKI The NES version of this is pretty bad

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:17:47 2020 No.6845429

>>6844792

Mayhem in Monsterland is still good, anything by the Rowlands brothers is worth a shot

As is Jeff Minter's stuff (all the camels games), there's a psychedelic level of zaniness that I'd love to see again and thinking about it now makes me want to play them, would actually be jealous of seeing someone experience that insanity for the first time lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:31:51 2020 No.6845501 >>6845415 The Famicom Law of the West loses a lot of the subtle charm and humor of the C64. The town hooker looks and moves like a paper doll instead of a temptress and the music isn't quite as sexy/seductive.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:37:39 2020 No.6845754

>>6845352
It's an ace port, but then Arkanoid was also a simple game and hard to fuck up very much. Stuff like beat-em-ups can get really complicated from a programming POV and it was often just asking too much to expect a decent port out of a home system of that time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:40:40 2020 No.6845770 >>6845169 >Only Eurotards think it can compete with the NES Many of the best C64 games were NTSC anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:43:18 2020 No.6845780 >>6843753 and this was the best eurotrash micro. It's only downhill from here, and yes, I do consider this better than the Amiger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:44:04 2020 No.6845784 >>6845780 >and this was the best eurotrash micro but is American computer though? Only Spectrum and Amstrad are actually indigenous Euro machines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:46:36 2020 No.6845795 >>6845754 There weren't really any good beat em ups on consoles until the Mega Drive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:49:23 2020 No.6845809 >>6844792 >>6844802 All of these both the C64 and NES would look better on a real machine with a CRT display. Emulator graphics are always "off."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:53:29 2020 No.6845823 commodeore 64. https://www.lemon64.com/games/votes_list.php?worst=true

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:55:10 2020 No.6845832 >>6845784 We all know that, but only you Europoors really cared about Commodore computers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:56:16 2020 No.6845838 >>6845823 https://www.lemon64.com/games/votes_list.php?worst=true >vast majority of these are PAL titles >maybe 1-2 are from NTSC land (^:

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:58:03 2020 No.6845848 >>6845832 they sold fuckload of VIC-20, C64, and C128 here. PETs were a little less popular especially business models and the Plus/4 totally flopped in North America.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:03:59 2020 No.6845867 >>6845848 Yes of course C64 was hugely popular in US and many of the best games content and depth-wise came from there. most of online C64 community however are Euros so some people get odd mistaken impression it was mostly PAL region computer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:08:25 2020 No.6845882 >>6845867 >most of online C64 community however are Euros so some people get odd mistaken impression it was mostly PAL region computer The lack of a major NTSC C64 scene always puzzled me some.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:09:50 2020 No.6845892 >>6845882 The NTSC scene was based mainly on piracy and cracking, not demos. That's probably why.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:12:36 2020 No.6845903 why no demo scene though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:15:12 2020 No.6845914 >>6845903 Easy. PAL machines have 7000 cycles on the vblank and NTSC ones have 5000. A lot of demo tricks just won't work on NTSC machines as there's not enough vblank.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:21:30 2020 No.6845949 >>6844354 >only use a joystick and one button Two buttons would have been nice, though at least you did have eight directional sticks which the NES didn't have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:25:33 2020 No.6845983 >>6845949 True. At the same time though the c64 had an entire keyboard. Anything that was more complex than that could use the keyboard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:25:59 2020 No.6845984 >>6844883 NES music is always really jazzy sounding, like you're playing jazz piano. C64 music always has that weird sci-fi/cyberpunk sound to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:29:19 2020 No.6846013 >>6844802 Left is detailed as fuck. It's really damn impressive what they were able to pull off.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:35:08 2020 No.6846048

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y22PzAe-sgI

Shamus is one game I'd think would be a real bastard to implement on the NES because it's heavily dependent on being able to move and fire diagonally.

Also see 8:40. You'd have a huge issue displaying all those enemies. The C64 uses char graphics for them and although you could sort of do something similar on the NES (as Gauntlet does), the way its tile/attribute system works would also be frustating to work around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:36:53 2020 No.6846057 >>6845848 Okay, and just how many people and institutions did you know with them? Let's not act like Apple and x86 IBM PCs weren't the in thing over here, at least as far back as I can remember (late 80s onward)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:37:07 2020 No.6846059 File: 26 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6846013 The NES Platoon is mostly the same, a little higher resolution. Music is ok but the SID is better at sounding funky.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:38:18 2020 No.6846060 >>6846057 LOLno nobody had any Apple machines at home. Those were only found in the school computer lab.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:40:43 2020 No.6846070 >>6846060 yea the only time i ever saw them in person was in school

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:42:13 2020 No.6846079 in mid 80s C64 was at its peak and everybody had the things. by start of the 90s the PC took over. in Europe 8-bit machines were able to hold on a bit longer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:42:17 2020 No.6846080 >>6846060 Yes, that's what I'm saying. I can at least name times I saw them. I can't say the same for the C64 or Atari 800. I think a friend had a C64 in the closet or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:45:28 2020 No.6846094 >>6846080 The Atari 800 was ancient history by the late 80s, that was a thing in 1981-84.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:50:03 2020 No.6846103 >>6846060 My dad said back then everyone he knew had a VIC-20, C64, or Atari 400/800 and nobody had an Apple II, and IBM PCs cost almost as much as a small car.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:53:44 2020 No.6846116 You couldn't have done Neuromancer on the NES and it wouldn't pass Nintendo's content censorship anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:32:12 2020 No.6846434 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwyhymcDxI And oh dear, the NES version only has 50 levels and no way to save anything you created with the level editor.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:45:36 2020 No.6846492

>>6846434
About Lode Runner. It's easier to control on the Apple II, IBM, and NES because you have two button controllers/joysticks. The Atari and C64 are a PITA because you instead have to turn to face left or right depending on which direction you want to drill in.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:59:40 2020 No.6846539
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>>6845362
I have this ultra-rare game sitting on my hard drive, that's why you download full sets and not individual games.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/4hj7n8v5jmfj8la/GoodGB64_V3.00_%2528Commodore_64%2529_%255B17067_ROMs%255D.7z/file
On archive.org there's a no-into set that also has USA Gauntlet, it's in the c64 "pp" zip
https://archive.org/details/NoIntroROMsCollection
There's also a c64 tosec on archive that's over 18 GB if you want to be really completist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:24:07 2020 No.6846638 >>6845362 The NES Gauntlet only has small maps because they didn't want to deal with diagonal scrolling a large area, so each map is 2x2, enough to fit into the tile map area without having to update anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:54:15 2020 No.6846791 File: 19 KB, 640x400, retrograde_01.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6844792 >>6844759 I can't stand the NES color palette so the C64 wins out for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:56:10 2020 No.6846804 >>6846791 Shit taste

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:57:48 2020 No.6846810

>>6846791
The C64 has only 16 colors, although they're a bit subtler than the NES palette and allow more shading and texture, particularly in bitmap mode like that screenshot uses. NES graphics look flat, blocky, monochromatic, and don't allow much shading or color contrast. Also >no actual shade of yellow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 22:02:47 2020 No.6846832 Also the VIC-II is capable of actually generating 128 colors, but in the final design they locked it to 16 (the Plus/4 had the unrestricted 128 color palette).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 22:07:59 2020 No.6846852 >>6846791 Faded pastel shit is clearly patrician, bong-kun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 22:34:53 2020 No.6846956 >>6844705 Way to move the goal lost when we were talking about graphics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 22:37:21 2020 No.6846967 >>6844917 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 22:37:51 2020 No.6846969 >>6844918 Who said anything about America?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 22:52:41 2020 No.6847031 >>6846956 And where were graphics mentioned? That's right, they weren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 23:35:24 2020 No.6847201 >>6846969 >eurocucks Implying that it's somehow an American machine. No Nip would post that shit. It's always Burgers. Always.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 00:26:41 2020 No.6847352 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wEH2c98-Nc The NES wouldn't lend itself too well to the unlimited eight way scrolling here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 01:26:42 2020 No.6847523 >>6844792 Then again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxmjPq2nnW0

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 01:34:47 2020 No.6847558 >>6843753 Literally the only thing about the C64 that holds up is the SID chip. Too bad the limited sound channels means that you ever really hear it sing on the loader, and the game itself is just quiet eerieness with the occasional sound effects.

Anonymous Tue Sep 8 01:47:41 2020 No.6847604

>>6847558
>Too bad the limited sound channels means that you ever really hear it sing on the loader

My experience with C64s is that when loading a game, you just stare at a blank screen for like 10 minutes and don't hear anything but the 1541 clicking away. Never recall any SID tunes playing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 01:56:25 2020 No.6847646 >>6847558 All retro machines can be said to have aged poorly and all of them are a product of their time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:03:05 2020 No.6847675 >>6847604 >he bought his games lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChbecJ_UB0s&list=PL4h9RpMHuwdKXRTB_stFjMDr9a5vlZ2SF

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:05:25 2020 No.6847680 >>6847675 Cracktros are an NTSC region speciality, they're pretty much unknown to Euros.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:07:14 2020 No.6847685 >>6847680 fuck, really? that's really unfortunate

Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:11:43 2020 No.6847696

>>6847685
Euros had tapes with no copy protection. The crack scene was an American thing for the most part and was sort of the NTSC version of demosceners. Of course cracktros couldn't match a lot of Euro demos because of the limitations imposed by NTSC (2k fewer cycles means you can't do as much stuff).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:20:06 2020 No.6847720 >>6847604 Actually a lot of pirated games loaded more slowly than the original disks as they often had their fastloader stripped out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:29:04 2020 No.6847738 >>6847680 >cracktros Shit that's what they're called? I remember loving these things when I had access to a C64.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:29:40 2020 No.6847740 >>6847352 The NES is a very different machine and it's specifically designed for jump-and-run games and being able to instantly stream data out of the cartridge. When you try to go outside its comfort zone, its limitations become apparent really fast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 03:42:46 2020 No.6847946 >>6844631 haha bongs btfo

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 04:44:28 2020 No.6848079 >>6843753 The c64 had some of the best osts though and a sound chip that could beat the nes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 04:47:21 2020 No.6848085 Am i the only one here who knows what a sid chip is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 05:13:15 2020 No.6848128 You dont know Jack shit about gaming history do you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 05:24:00 2020 No.6848145 https://youtu.be/rkW6Wsb3YNY Still very impressive for such old machine. These games cannot be judged without some historical context.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 05:24:55 2020 No.6848148 >>6848085 totally

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 07:11:20 2020 No.6848271 >>6844789 Kill yourself demohomo. We don't need demohomos here

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 08:51:36 2020 No.6848427 >>6844789 I don't understand demoscene, I remember copy parties etc and I'm pretty old, but I still don't get why precalculated lava or 3d shapes are so special. Every demo seems same anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 12:39:23 2020 No.6849004 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8oxwAVhvyk Lal, imagine an NES game where you could go to a store and sell your organs. NOA would shit themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 12:49:59 2020 No.6849058 >>6845903 When a computer is outdated, Americans simply buy a newer, faster one. They lack creativity, and you can't sell demos, so it's not attractive to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 12:50:57 2020 No.6849062 >>6849058 >Americans What? Everyone does this you fucking schizo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 12:51:51 2020 No.6849064 >>6849058 We've been over this before. NTSC C64s don't have as much raster time as PAL C64s so a lot of demo tricks simply won't work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 12:57:03 2020 No.6849087 >>6847680 Bullshit. Cracktros evolved into the demos we know today in the mid 80s. Groups like Skid Row, Paranoimia, Fairlight, quartex and scoopex were all European. Some supplier cucks or spreaders might have been burgers, but they couldn't code.

Anonymous Tue Sep 8 13:01:41 2020 No.6849114

>>6849087
>Some supplier cucks or spreaders might have been burgers, but they couldn't code
Yeah you're right. We didn't make precalc lavo demos because we were too busy with just games like Neuromancer, Pirates!, Maniac Mansion, and Ultima V that shaped computer gaming and weren't just a mediocre collectathon that serves as a vehicle for a parallax scrolling engine the programmer wrote (I see you Flimbo's Quest).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 13:45:04 2020 No.6849303 >>6844917 thats it fucko, mock the system that was never designed with any capacity or thought for gaming graphics or sound.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 13:46:47 2020 No.6849309 Lords, Shade Design, Venom, Storm, Argon. there were plenty of good US demo groups back then. Only these few to name some.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 13:47:50 2020 No.6849315 >>6849303 Clive Sinclair meant the Spectrum as a teaching tool. In fact he was quite butthurt that everyone just used it for games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 13:53:34 2020 No.6849330 >>6847558 >has ADSR >can't adjust the volume per channel what the fuck die commodore mean by this

Anonymous Tue Sep 8 13:58:53 2020 No.6849346

>>6849330
Yeah I do agree the fixed volume is a pain considering eg. the NES has separate volume registers for each channel. Bob Yannes' original SID design was really ambitious and he wanted stuff like six voice sound, but Jack Tramiel said no we have a deadline to get this thing finished and it will still be better than anything else out in 1982.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 14:22:26 2020 No.6849427 >>6845903 I got plenty of NTSC demos sourced from Q-Link in the 90's as a kid

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 14:24:53 2020 No.6849435 >>6849058 >tfw europoors use c64s for serious work in 2020 wow i didn't think europe was in that bad of a shape

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 14:30:18 2020 No.6849459 >>6846810 NES scrolling is way easier and less CPU-intensive than C64 scrolling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 14:35:45 2020 No.6849482 >>6849459 It is, but stuff like diagonal scrolling is tricky due to how the tile map works. Many games that use it like SMB3 get around this by limiting V scrolling to two screens in width.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 15:15:10 2020 No.6849620 >>6848079 >and a sound chip that could beat the nes The NES has more sound channels+PCM+independent volume controls, although the channels are far more limiting in how you can use them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 15:18:22 2020 No.6849634 >>6849435 Not C64s, but I still use my Amiga for pixelart. There's something about the mouse smoothing in lowres modes that modern day PC apps can't replicate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 15:36:49 2020 No.6849719 >>6845258 Someone redid the NES Donkey Kong a few years ago and added the missing content.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 16:59:02 2020 No.6850039 >>6844816 the master system was third worlder shit though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 17:02:16 2020 No.6850054 >>6846638 The voice clip of the chick saying "Yum!" when you get a power up always annoyed me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 17:03:34 2020 No.6850057 >>6845029 >>6845154 List a good game or games. Come on, we're waiting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 17:04:37 2020 No.6850063 >>6845191 thought that wasn't released due to licensing issues

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 17:05:55 2020 No.6850074 >>6844792 Wouldn't you rather be playing Spartan X on MAME instead of silly home system ports?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 17:13:44 2020 No.6850118 >>6850074 Seriously. Why even argue over home ports of arcade games in the 21st century at all? Also... >using Japanese name of game instead of Western one kys weeb

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 17:51:57 2020 No.6850264 File: 66 KB, 512x384, dangerous.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6849114 >We didn't make precalc lavo demos because we were too busy with dead and gay games in genres no one cares about anymore Get on my level, faggot!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 18:02:33 2020 No.6850308 >>6850264 >RPGs and strategy games aren't relevant anymore ...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 18:11:02 2020 No.6850335 >>6845191 There was also Garfield's Winter Tail but Youtube has no videos of that for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 18:23:00 2020 No.6850382 >>6849427 though some of them could have been PAL demos that happened to be NTSC compatible

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 21:51:28 2020 No.6851108 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0dH1a5O0aE Aw come on guys, you couldn't even be bothered to include Tiki getting swallowed by the whale and shooting out his guts?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 22:04:38 2020 No.6851181 >>6850382 I looked up a few that I could remember and they were all European after all, huh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 03:11:21 2020 No.6852205 >>6846810 Game like Mega Man would be really hard to do on C64 because large # of sprite moving around. you'd need a beast of a multiplexer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 03:52:01 2020 No.6852287 >>6844346 > implying any 8-bit jap computer was great >>6843769 cope harder, weeaboo. >>6850074 kill yourself, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 11:47:59 2020 No.6853414 >>6852205 An attempt was made and it ended up being great. It's more of a metroidvania though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq8bTFpRMYc

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 12:24:13 2020 No.6853526 >>6852205 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcwYIOoBSq4 I assume you mean like this. You could use char graphics for the sword shots, but those spinning enemies would be awfully tricky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 13:00:02 2020 No.6853629 >>6853414 >more bland Yuro demoscener crap

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 14:19:10 2020 No.6853895

>>6853526
LOZ is certainly doable on the C64 with a few tweaks.

>drop the scrolling maps and have flick screen--this would make a lot of stuff easier to code
>drop the samples--you'd probably end up more with sfx like the FDS version
A good multiplexer+char sprites could handle most of the animation. I mean, it's still an early NES game in a 128k ROM, it isn't Kirby's Adventure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 14:30:33 2020 No.6853926 >>6853895 Start a little less ambitious. Try porting Balloon Fight or Door-Door instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 14:35:09 2020 No.6853942 >>6853926 Wasn't Door-Door originally a PC-8801 game anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 14:43:49 2020 No.6853959 >>6853942 https://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/door-door Several JPCs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 14:56:03 2020 No.6853995 >>6843753 It was quite competitively-specced in its price range when it came out. Are you surprised that technology moves on and computers from the 80s aren't as powerful as ones from the 90s or later?

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 15:16:40 2020 No.6854052

>>6852205
The NES has hardware multiplexing and its sprites are also only 8x8. C64 sprites are 24x21, so you have fewer (and you can't flip them in hardware like you can with NES sprites), but you also don't need as many of them to create an object and one issue with having lots of tiny sprites is that more CPU time is used adjusting their X and Y positions each frame.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 17:49:08 2020 No.6854559 >>6854052 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cp4tlrGYY Take in Balloon Fight. A bunch of objects could be done with char sprites. And does this game even have an ending? I don't think it does, but I've never gotten far in it anyway.

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:05:39 2020 No.6854661

>>6853895
>drop the samples--you'd probably end up more with sfx like the FDS version
Playing PCM samples on the NES is really cheap, it uses only 5% of the CPU. On C64, Master System, and Gameboy there's no PCM channel so samples are hugely expensive and not practical except for static screens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:07:17 2020 No.6854904 >>6854559 you always get supremely janky movement when you simulate sprites with char graphics

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:18:06 2020 No.6854960

>>6854904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KLi8tAZMHU

Bubble Bobble does a pretty good job of it since it just has black backgrounds and non-scrolling screens. Nemesis the Warlock, and a lot of 1v1 fighting games like International Karate and Fist II: The Legend Continues use char sprites.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 00:55:49 2020 No.6856282 >>6844890 It could be Youtube frameskip or he's using an emulator set to PAL. The speed difference between PAL and NTSC C64s is really noticeable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 03:08:38 2020 No.6856643 >>6843753 Tell me about it. I had a C64 as a kid and it was bollox. The most fun we had was playing International Karate. I just can’t find any nostalgia in me for it or the Amiga.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 03:37:59 2020 No.6856702 >>6856643 Oh well, when all you had was tape shovelware made on a $20 budget and were deprived of all those EA, Accolade, LucasArts, and Origin classics Americans got...

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 03:38:07 2020 No.6856703 >>6849004 I want to play that but I need to wait for my pi1541 so I can actually save the game

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 09:40:27 2020 No.6857334

>>6849620
The 2A03 is not as fun to write for IMO and in general is more limited than the 8580/6581 from a sound design perspective.

Channels are not everything.

The C64s 3 channels can swap waveforms on the fly. This means you can design this into your instrumentation. For example the famous C64 style of drums swaps very rapidly in between noise and square waves to achieve a thick drum sound. This is not uncommon on the NES (Konami kick, Tim follin etc.) but requires 2 channels to achieve the same thing. Interestingly you can mix waves on a single channel for interesting sounds.

The C64 has various hardware effects such as a built in filter, hard sync and ringmod for triangle waves. These are what REALLY makes it pop. Not really possible to do this on the NES.

The C64 has a very high resolution for PWM. This is how you get that famous thick phasing sound in a lot of basses for the C64. The NES has only 4, 2 of which are phase inversion of each other and sound the exact same.

The NES has a really limited noise channel compared to most other systems. You don't notice until you work with other systems such as the Game Boy (LSDJ doesn't teach you this though), C64 or even the shitty sn76489 on the master system and such. The triangle channel on the NES has no volume control, effects the DPCM channel and in general is a bit temperamental. The volume issue is made worse by the fact that it's a triangle wave, which is very quiet because you can think of the average amplitude as being low compared to say a square wave.

In terms of composition limited channels are also not as big of an issue as you would think. Any retro sound programmer worth anything will use channel sharing on either system. Kick Bass instruments, single channel delays (buffered and unbuffered) and similar techniques can be used on either system to push the sound design a lot further than what you might assume just based on the number of channels.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 09:52:40 2020 No.6857363

>>6849330
You can still change all 3 ADSR envelopes per channel. I do gotta say that global volume control is kinda retarded though.
>>6849346
Having the hardware handle volume envelopes are extremely cheap for CPU time. I don't mind it personally but that does mean you need to use re triggers to do similar stuff to what's done on the NES. The Game Boy also uses hardware envelopes though it's an AD more than a full ADSR envelope. At the end of the day the purpose of the machine is not sound.
>>6847558
100% agree. The sad thing about any retro systems sound is that sound is normally not the main purpose therefore you can't really give whatever sound engine you design too much CPU time so you end up needing to limit the overall sound design. The eternal struggle of the retro sound programmer and composer.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 11:18:24 2020 No.6857537

>>6844442
>MSX
Overpriced compared to Commodore and Spectrum even though the game performance is worse. There's a reason they were reluctant to sell it in the west.
>PC-98
Only has porn games or "action" games with terrible framerate.
>X68000
Absolutely expensive.
>C64
>Amiger
Kino.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 12:53:42 2020 No.6857829
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>>6857363
>The sad thing about any retro systems sound is that sound is normally not the main purpose therefore you can't really give whatever sound engine you design too much CPU time so you end up needing to limit the overall sound design. The eternal struggle of the retro sound programmer and composer.

And then this happens.

Also one of the reasons Turrican has a stupid high framerate is the absence of music. A lot of CPU time is saved by opting for sfx-only.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 13:05:37 2020 No.6857881 [DELETED]

>>6843769
It's just some eccentric autists who are really loud about their hobby. Spectrum wasn't the most popular 8-bit console in europe - NES was... what do you take us for lol.

When I was a kid 7 or 8 years old our teacher made a comment about how some of these devices let you do other stuff while some of them only let you play games, with the point that the SMS or NES were bad for kids. Remember also computers weren't widespread at the time. So in other words they were so shit and unpopular compared to the NES/SMS that people would rather have no computer or early internet than to buy this junk instead of a NES.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 13:06:59 2020 No.6857892

>>6843769
It's just some eccentric autists who are really loud about their hobby. Spectrum wasn't the most popular 8-bit console in europe - NES was, by a long way... what do you take us for lol.

When I was a kid 7 or 8 years old our teacher made a comment about how some of these devices let you do other stuff while some of them only let you play games, with the point that the SMS or NES were bad for kids. Remember also computers weren't widespread at the time. They were also trying to push this thing that those computers were "educational" because they could do other things. So in other words they were SO shit and unpopular compared to the NES/SMS that despite all this propaganda normal people would rather have no computer or early internet than to buy this junk instead of a NES.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 13:25:04 2020 No.6857982

>>6843769
>Eurobros, I love you, but I can't take you seriously when say any games on your 8-bit computers are still good. Sure, there are probably games that are OK, but for the most part, they just look like shit. The fact they all (or at least most of them) only use a joystick and one button doesn't help them either.
It's was just not only about good or bad games. It was the whole culture of people doing games in their bedroom, the amazing gaming magazines of the 80s (Jaz Rignall and company), the disparity of genres, the boxes, the accesibility to lots of games thanks of being cheap and easily piratable, etc. There were tons of failed games but also tons of creativity everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 13:27:08 2020 No.6857993 Now the Master System, the sound on that was total shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 14:59:29 2020 No.6858317 >>6857537 >>6849346 The SID has a lot of unused die space, in fact something like 40% of it is empty suggesting the finished design had a lot less capability than Yannes intended for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 15:04:08 2020 No.6858335 >>6858317 i heard he wanted it to be like the ESQ-1, which would've been ridiculous for a 1982 budget computer

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 15:12:17 2020 No.6858363 >>6849346 In 1982, its only real competition would have been the POKEY and TMS9919 both of which are just square wave+white noise generators, so...

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 15:15:05 2020 No.6858382

>>6846116
>You couldn't have done Neuromancer on the NES and it wouldn't pass Nintendo's content censorship anyway.

It would be expensive anyway, you'd need a battery save and a large ROM. The C64 version uses five disk sides so on the NES it'd probably need 512k.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 15:42:20 2020 No.6858492 File: 167 KB, 320x192, NeuromancerAnimation3.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6846116 I'm sure they'd also love this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:33:45 2020 No.6858660 >>6858492 Is bitmap mode, no?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:42:07 2020 No.6858704 >>6858660 Yes it is which is why it slowly paints in the screen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:46:42 2020 No.6858721 >>6843753 There's that faggot OP everyone is warning us about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 17:27:39 2020 No.6858858 >>6850118 >prefers tasteless burger arcade flyer art over original amazing Nip flyer art Just admit it. Admit it's true, and you're really that stupid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:15:38 2020 No.6859245 >>6844631 I like the image name

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:40:01 2020 No.6859306 >>6845367 Any dungeon crawler roguelikes in this system anon? Or anything like the early Zeldas

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:56:26 2020 No.6859349 >>6859306 There's a ton of them, but most are very dry, complicated to play, and nerdy--you aren't going to find cute, easily accessible weeb RPGs on a C64.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:03:50 2020 No.6859554 >>6845949 >though at least you did have eight directional sticks which the NES didn't have. Yes it does. And it also has an 8-way d-pad

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:28:35 2020 No.6859641 File: 144 KB, 1500x805, 5579396_sd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6859554 Does that look like eight directions to you?

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:40:30 2020 No.6859681

>>6858704
Normally bitmaps are undesirable for most games because they're slow and very greedy (8k of memory to store the graphics page). They can be gotten away with in games like Neuromancer that don't have scrolling and have only a small # of sprites on screen at once. Some fighting games like The Way of the Exploding Fist use them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 22:19:39 2020 No.6859835 >>6844918 Rent free, holy shit t. Mexican

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 00:44:33 2020 No.6860417 >>6858492 All other versions of this game have awful graphics. Only the C64 one looks any good at all.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 11:32:03 2020 No.6861883

>>6854661
>Playing PCM samples on the NES is really cheap, it uses only 5% of the CPU. On C64, Master System, and Gameboy
NES used 1-bit DPCM, for a system like c64, it could use 1 or 8 bits for PCM audio, usual method is combining two 4-bit samples as one byte and playing a nibble at a time. vastly superior sample quality.
>there's no PCM channel so samples are hugely expensive
playing samples on a c64 is not "hugely expensive" at all. you're merely sending 4-bit nibbles to one register and making sure your next sample is ready for the next call.
> and not practical except for static screens.
100% false.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 11:32:15 2020 No.6861884 >>6844442 >C64 Little Computer People, one of the most influential video games ever made. Habitat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 11:34:35 2020 No.6861894 >>6858660 character sets and sprites >>6858704 false, dunning kruger.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 11:41:31 2020 No.6861920 >>6861883 the technique for playing samples on the c64 doesn't even work on a lot of older models. it literally works because of a hardware bug.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 11:44:56 2020 No.6861931 >>6861920 i meant newer models, obviously

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 12:59:25 2020 No.6862272 There's two ways to play samples, the 6581 and 8580 use a different technique which isn't compatible with the other.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:12:19 2020 No.6862323 >>6861894 No, it's definitely bitmap mode (count the colors) and that's why it's so slow.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:04:42 2020 No.6862517

After reading the NESdev forum for a bit, it woke me to just what a PITA that NES coding is.

>what mapper to choose
>what mirroring setup to use
>how should I arrange my ROM banks
>how do I jump from one bank to the next

On C64 and any other home computer you never have to deal with that bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:25:27 2020 No.6862621 >>6858492 this game rips off Zak McKracken so much it isn't even funny

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:40:39 2020 No.6862715 >>6854904 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=907oJWci2HE Here's Centipede. Your shooter and the enemies are HW sprites, your shots and the centipede are char sprites and you can see that they're not as smooth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:52:10 2020 No.6862759 >>6862715 wish there was an NES version of this (Millipede doesn't quite count). some homebrewfag needs to do one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 15:10:16 2020 No.6862842 Not a shill but Sam's Journey is unironically kino in every regard even music. Better than any 2D mario. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTGaSvbtiY

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 15:18:58 2020 No.6862884 >>6862842 This game uses an REU for fast page flipping or some shit like that, so it's similar in that regard to MMC3 NES games. A C64 by its lonely couldn't do it (maybe a C128 could though).

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 15:25:05 2020 No.6862906 >>6862884 So what?

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:13:15 2020 No.6863091

The REU was an interesting idea, but I can see why it wasn't really adopted much--you can't access the RAM in it directly, but only indirectly through register writes. And requiring software to support it would mean that maybe 5-10% of C64 users would be able to run the software.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:27:15 2020 No.6863160 >>6858492 I could see a Famicom version of this but yeah it'd never get released stateside.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:41:31 2020 No.6863216 File: 92 KB, 1537x774, atariage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh boy here we go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 18:44:19 2020 No.6863619 >>6843753 >newfags can't troll cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 22:33:43 2020 No.6864315 >>6862842 >ear rape music >eye rape scrolling >terrible level design Yep, it's a Commodore game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 23:24:37 2020 No.6864454 >>6864315 Sup, assembly language LARPer guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 23:25:47 2020 No.6864460 >>6864454 I have never posted on this website about my sick 6502 ASM skills... mainly because I have none.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 23:26:25 2020 No.6864465 >>6864460 Commodore doesn't have a 6502

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 23:32:49 2020 No.6864486 File: 77 KB, 800x544, 88.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What can /vr/ tell me about Plus/4s? I get the impression it was a bit of a failed machine, no?

Anonymous Sat Sep 12 00:15:29 2020 No.6864641
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>>6844594
If we’re talking about graphics then you should look at Sword of Sodan released in 1988. I’m a console fag, but even I recognize the amiga had superior graphics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:26:23 2020 No.6864815 >>6862759 Most home versions of Centipede were 8k in side, the arcade game was about 13k. Also I found that the arcade Pac-Man was 28k in size? Geez, what were they doing with all that space?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:28:40 2020 No.6864821 >>6843753 zoom zoom

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:30:44 2020 No.6864824 >>6864815 I guess the arcade game's diagnostic/test mode probably used a bunch of space. In the case of Donkey Kong, the arcade game is 35k but a least 25% of that is used by the Donkey Kong grunting sound.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:39:28 2020 No.6864847 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuFBpG2Oz28 Space Invaders on the Famicom has only got 4k of PRG (ROM's 16k but most of it is empty). That's all there is. I think this is actually the smallest commercially released game on the system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:48:41 2020 No.6864875 >>6864847 a game like this seems like a waste of the NES's capabilities and it was already 6 years old when they did the port. that shit belonged in an earlier time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:52:12 2020 No.6864889 >>6864875 *7 years old. The arcade game came out in 1978. Yeah I agree it was perfect for the Atari 2600 but on a NES it was just dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 11:01:07 2020 No.6865932 >>6844261 mine has made in west germany on the silver sticker

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 11:05:08 2020 No.6865940 >>6850264 the hours i spent on that, lords of midnight and shadowfire

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 12:55:06 2020 No.6866307 >>6864847 >>6864875 >>6864889 you underestimate the popuparity of this game in japan. they had arcades dedicated to JUST space invaders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 13:35:04 2020 No.6866456 >>6843753 Legacy of the Ancients and Legend of Blacksilver were pretty based CRPGs though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 16:38:15 2020 No.6867198 >>6844625 >>Lemmings Keep scraping the bottom of that barrel

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