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>go back to Tenchu
>"Fuck yeah!"
>Notice the limited draw distance for the first time
>"Oh no!"

>> No.6826182

>*cicada sounds*

>> No.6826201

>>6826178
Today on "Why Are Early 3D Games Not Exactly Like Real Life?" With your host, A. Massivefaggot.

>> No.6826227

>>6826178
I loved the map editor in 2
I would play with my cousin and while one made a map the other would watch TV for 15 minutes until the map was ready

>> No.6826235

>>6826178
It was a thing with games back then, that's why a lot either had fog or pop-in

>> No.6826265

>>6826235
Tenchu would greatly benefit from the Spyro engine.

>> No.6826785

>>6826178
You have to
>go back
But not to Tenchu

>> No.6826868

>>6826178
Are the Tenchu devs the same ones that later went to make the Way Of The Samurai games? The WOTS games are the best samurai games I've ever played, and I've played a lot of samurai stuff.

>> No.6826873

>>6826178
What an ugly ass cover

>> No.6826924

>>6826868
They did Shinobi do as well

>> No.6826935

>>6826924
I haven't heard of that one. Did you like it?

>> No.6826946

>>6826227
>I loved the map editor in 2
https://mega.nz/folder/1exD0Koa#VuQ-EwE6dsveI3_Xr4Mc1Q

>> No.6826961

>>6826178
I don't think no one ever gave shit about these games except for the level editing in Tenchu 2 which was kino.

>> No.6827432

>>6826868
Acquire -> Tenchu 1-2, Shinobido, Way of the Samurai1-4

K2 LLC -> Tenchu 3, Fatal Shadows

It has to be said K2 weren't bad at all and probably had some talented people, they were bought by Capcom some few years later.

>> No.6827703
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Is it safe to post this now?
And also, the draw distance is bad on 1 but worse on 2
At least on the first one the excuse is that "it's night"

>> No.6827815
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>>6827703
I finished Shinobido like three times in all difficulties and never got the good end for some reason. It was such an amazing game, only lack of map variety was a serious flaw, but you could do amazing things like accepting some lord's quest then sabotage him on purpose or work ing against a lord while mantaining a good reputation with him if you were stealthily enough. They published some sort of expansion with maps people did or something like that, don't know how it was.
I could never play the Vita sequel. It's a shame it's such a forgotten franchise and even more dead than Tenchu.

>> No.6827861

>>6827703
>but worse on 2
lol wut? Shinobido on the vita has infinite level geometry draw distance(only thing that is drawn in is distant trees and level clutter like pots), did you even play it?

>> No.6828416
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>>6827861
Sorry, I meant draw distance on the second Tenchu being worse than on the first one. Not on Shinobido. I've only played the PS2 and PSP ones.

>>6827815
For the good ending didn't you just need to be in good terms with all three of the lords?

>> No.6828421

>>6828416
I think you needed to kill the mecha ninja boss in one of the last missions and somehow it was a hard thing to do but I played it 14 years ago so I can't say I remember too much.

>> No.6828451

>>6826935
Yeah. It's better than Tenchu.

>> No.6828591

>>6827815
Shinobido 2 is the same thing as the first one only with good framerate, draw distance and cool ninja gadgets like a glider. If you liked the first one you would like the sequel as it's more like a expansion.

>> No.6830368

>>6826178
ludo

>> No.6830407

>>6827815
>lack of map variety
I don't get this meme. Shinobido had a dozen of different maps.

>> No.6830412

>>6828421
Wasn't he just a tedious spongey boss? I remember doing no damage to him whatsoever.

>> No.6830568

>>6828591
I just need a VITA then. It's a shame it wasn't even ported. What is Acquire even doing this days? Way of the Samurai doesn't seem too lively either.

>> No.6830575

>>6830407
If you played hundreds of hours like I did, and because the game was that good, they started to feel really repetitive. Also most missions were in the same 5-6 maps.

>>6830412
Something like that, it's something I regreet not doing, also I don't remember too much but the bad end was really sad and sour.

>> No.6830584

>>6826178
>go back

Yes.

>> No.6830591

>>6826178
that is an accurate simulation of what its like to be a japanese ninja. they are incredibly nearsighted. thats why they are always squinting

>> No.6830627

>>6830575
More like the same 8-10 stages, which were plenty enough, and then add different enemy layout and types of mission based on levels difficulty. Also, everything can feel repetitive after hundreds of hours.

>> No.6830901

>>6830412
You were supposed to brew the instant assassination item to kill him. The one that allowed you to assassinate even enemies that are engaged in direct combat with you.

>> No.6830930

>>6830901
Uh... Do you mean +999 explosive bombs? I think I missed that briefing.

>> No.6831036
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>>6830930
Well there are +999 everything out there.
Now that you mentioned it, I remember going in loaded with stuff. They don't push the alchemy system too hard but you're meant to use the pots to get good stuff going.

>> No.6831041

>>6830930
No there is a brew that when used allowes to kill via assassination anything for like 10sec +the numeric level

>> No.6832231

bump

>> No.6832238

>>6831041
When was it mentioned?

>> No.6832279

>>6826873
The Japanese cover is much better.

>> No.6832396
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6832396

>>6832279
It is, while first Tenchu always had a weird, amateurish artwork for some reason.

>> No.6832412
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>>6832396
I fucking love that style though.
The ending of the first one was also weird. First one first revision, I mean.

>> No.6832480

>>6832238
>mentioned
Never, but you get a few of them from the high ranked missions.

>> No.6832489

>try to get into a ps1 classic
>remember you're a low IQ zoomer
>"oh no!"

>> No.6832510

Should I buy Fatal Shadows?

>> No.6832517

>>6832412
Love that cover

>> No.6832523

>>6832510
Yeah. It's pretty fun.
Not as good as Tenchu and Tenchu 3, but still a very fun game on its own merit.

>> No.6832528
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6832528

Red

>> No.6832540
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or white?

>> No.6832649

>>6832510
Yeah, definitely try it. It may lack Rikimaru BUT Rin is a solid character and the game is presented in a fun tv series-like fashion. It has this Kill Bill vibe to me due to the quirky bosses, revenge plot and sombre conclusion.

>> No.6832651

>>6832510
It's worth it for the opening song alone imo the best song used in the series.

>> No.6832664

>>6827861
he meant tenchu 2 and i agree.
draw distance for 2 was dogshit with all the fogs and mists everywhere at any time of the day. i grandmastered all the stages but fuck me with all the bullshit pop in thanks to the retarded draw distance. screwed up my runs so many times.

>> No.6832727

>>6826868
WOTS was never good.

>> No.6832738

>>6832727
I agree on this WotS is a cringe samurai comedy with out of place characters and events. I will get lynched for saying this but until Ghosts of Tsushima there was no serious samurai game.

>> No.6832752
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>>6832738
Bushido Blade almost got it with its combat, they just needed to make it an action/adventure game.

>> No.6832761

>>6832480
Well, it's time to play again.

>> No.6832762
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>> No.6832764

>>6832523
What went wrong with Fatal Shadows?

>> No.6832769

>>6832762
I could never play effectively with her. Her weapon is so bad.

>> No.6832772

>>6832727
Contrarian

>> No.6832776

>>6832769
It is. Assassinating people with her is just asking to get mauled after.

>> No.6832780
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6832780

You know what's a goddamn shame?
That this never made it to the west and that the language is such a huge barrier in enjoying it.

>> No.6832783

>>6832761
Try this guide
>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/925999-shinobido-imashime/faqs/46552
>Limitless Weapon - This might be the best item in the entire game.
Use one, and you can use other expensive @#%^@ infinite amount of times
for the ENTIRE mission. Including Master's Understanding..but that'd
be WAY too easy. LOL.
>Master SK Scroll - Known as "Master's Understanding"
Allows you to SK anyone, even bosses. Perishable after one use.
Use it after using LW scroll for the mission. You should [be able to] make
lots of LW scrolls if you read this faq, cause theyre so useful..
Master's scroll is best for Guarding missions in combination with speed.

>> No.6832784

>>6832772
>irony

>> No.6832789

>>6826182
That was Tenchu 2, dork!

>> No.6832795

>>6832727
WotS was the definition of SOUL.

>> No.6832796

>>6832780
Is that the ridiculous game about a thief with a huge sack that runs around like a madman collecting cash and doing brake dance?

>> No.6832807

>>6832764
It's my favourite in the series.

>> No.6832809

>>6832796
Yup. Ridiculous, over the top and incredibly fun.

>> No.6832819

>>6832764
Nothing, really.
It's just that Tenchu and Tenchu 3 were just too damn good. That one is also really good, but in comparison, I'd place it below 1 and 3.
Probably on the same level as 2 though, for me.

>> No.6832826

>>6832764
Nothing it's a clear evolution of Tenchu 3. It's only bad if you care about Rikimaru, but at least his absence is understandable as it's a direct sequel to tenchu 1.

>> No.6832840

>>6832819
I played it a long time ago I remember not quite liking it as much as WoH. Something about grinding special moves and the level-design. It's definitely better than Z at least in hindsight.

>> No.6832857

>>6832840
Why would you need to grind scrolls? The game is easy enough without spamming invisibility.

>> No.6832865

>>6832857
Because I wanted to complete the movelists. I didn't need most of the movelist in WoH, but gaining one for each stage that quickly kinda spoilt me for FS.

>> No.6832892

>>6832727
>Why yes I hate fun, how could you tell?

>> No.6832935

>>6826182
>*wood knock*
>YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

>> No.6832976

>>6832783
Oh I did try alchemy, man infinite +999 everything bombs really shattered the game. Somehow, I dismissed that Master's Understanding scroll.

>> No.6833529
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>> No.6833543

>>6826178
Yeah the stealth in this game got kind of silly once you learn the FOV limitations. MGS had the same problem but I think it did a better job dealing with it since with Tenchu sometimes the best course of action is to just run to the end of the level.

>> No.6834246
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6834246

Tenchu is great

>> No.6834610

>>6833529
My man, I thought I was the only one who did that

>> No.6835540
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>> No.6835939

>>6828591
I just noticed it was destroyed by critics, it has a 55 at metacritic. And the first Shinobido a 59, what the fuck. Fatal Shadows also had awful reviews and most of the Way of the Samurai series too, I don't know why some companies like Acquire were just cursed like that by journalism.

>> No.6836046

>>6835939
It's one of those franchises that people either love or hate. And honestly most people don't have the patience to learn how to play it.

>> No.6836145

>game is about stealth
>most of the ninja tools are to help you in combat

>> No.6836167

>>6836145
All the real life ninja tools are also combat oriented. It's only the fantasy/magical scrolls in Tenchu that give you a stealth advantage.

>> No.6836497

>>6836046
Acquire makes niche games. They got lucky with Tenchu 1, it kinda came at almost the right place at almost the right moment.

>> No.6836547
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Someday I'll try to play through the Japanese and English versions of Tenchu 2.
This kid is having a blast on the Japanese version.

>> No.6836557
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On the other hand, by the time it got overseas, the kid got bored.

>> No.6836749

>>6826178
2 was better. And it had that cool editor.

>> No.6836859

>>6836497
I still don't get why Tenchu was shit on after 1 and Metal Gear Solid was always praised. It's not like it was mechanically worse or anything.

>> No.6837020

>>6836859
It's not cinematic enough. Well, that and critics thought the graphics weren't impressive enough past the first game. Also, MGS was more forgiving.

>> No.6837089

>>6836859
Tenchu is randomized, so you enter a level and the layout is different each time, making it harder / more frustrating to learn the maps. MGS is always the same and therefore easy to speedrun.

>> No.6837121

>>6837089
No it isn't. Tenchu has preset guard placement in three sets per level.

>> No.6837343

>>6837121
That's what I mean, which set you get is randomized. It makes learning the maps harder.

>> No.6837383
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6837383

I loved Onikage in this game, there wasn't much story continuity between the stages but him appearing 4 times throughout the game did connect things a bit. And his theme is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU6odaJDpkM

>> No.6837442

>>6832935
that's how you know you're in JAPAN

>> No.6837451

>>6834246
>>6834246
>>Ayame had dumps like a truck (truck)

>> No.6837569
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6837569

>>6826178
Just play pic related instead.

>> No.6837637

>>6837569
>nipjank
No thanks.

>> No.6837729

>>6837637
Still better than every Tenchu after the first.

>> No.6837827

>>6836547
>>6836557
Wasn't the overseas version released before the JP version?

>> No.6838765

>>6837569
uh, no.

>> No.6838814

>>6827703
>>6828416
>>6831036
>>6832762
>>6835540
It seems like they tried to evolve the gameplay with Shinobido. Did they succeed? Are these better than the K2 LLC Tenchu games?

>> No.6838827

>>6832819
What's wrong with 2? My brother is obsessed with that one because it's the one we had on PSX but refuses to try the first one.

>> No.6838830

Why can't games be games anymore? If normalfags don't feel the controls in 5 seconds they just drop it.

>> No.6838901

>>6838814
It's not better or worse, it's just different, it tries different things.

>> No.6839619

>>6838814
>It seems like they tried to evolve the gameplay with Shinobido. Did they succeed?
That's exactly how I felt about it.
To me it felt like they wanted to keep evolving on Tenchu, but the franchise grew bigger and got out of their hands.
So they started a new one, Shinobido.
IMO, gameplay and mechanics wise it is superior than the Tenchu games.
However, and that's what prevented it from being more popular, the Shinobido franchise has worse everything else. Less memorable characters, story nobody cares about (although that might be on par with Tenchu), worse art direction, worse music. That's my opinion though.

>>6838827
Nothing's wrong with it. It's just not as good as 1 and 3, in my opinion. It improved on the gameplay but had worse (or none) music, way worse art direction (everything is colorful and bright) and tried to insert some anime plot in it. Wasn't necessary. Still I played it and enjoyed it. Just not better than 1 and 3 to me.

>> No.6839835
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I know, not retro, but what the fuck were they thinking? At least the character designs were good and the kills creative I guess.

>> No.6839876

>>6839835
If you get all your games shit on you have to try something different, I guess.

>> No.6839919
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>>6839835
>turn based combat with motion controls

the fucking wii set gaming back ten years

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6840573

>>6839835
I tried playing the PSP version of that.
Hated it. Probably more than Tenchu DS.

>> No.6840684

>>6840573
That's a weird flashlight

>> No.6840720

>>6837637
>not being into nipludojank
What is wrong with you?

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6840773

>>6840684
Well, it's a weird game.

>> No.6841051

>>6837637
>jank
How wrong you are.

>> No.6841063

>>6839619
>and tried to insert some anime plot in it.
The plot for 2 is ok. Explains a ton of cryptic shit from T1.

>> No.6841074

>>6826201
based

>> No.6841997

>>6840773
Awesome way to die tho