/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6823375]

Choose.

[Anonymous No.6823381]

Tactical > Tom

[Anonymous No.6823383]

MGS was a work of art, Splinter Cell was clunky and gay. And anyway, we all know that Rogue Spear is the ultimate tactical action game.

[Anonymous No.6823423]

The only good SC is chaos theory, the others are all terrible. MGS got some duds but the first 3 games are great

[Anonymous No.6823435]

>>6823375
MGS all day. Splinter Cell sucked mad dick and died a forgotten franchise.

[Anonymous No.6823449]

There isnt a good mgs game except 3 while every sc is great except 1 and conviction

[Anonymous No.6823457]

>>6823449
>There isnt a good mgs game except 3

[Anonymous No.6823469]

>>6823457
This
I didn't even bother to respond to his obvious bait.

[Anonymous No.6823495]

>>6823457
>>6823469
mgs fags are cringe

[Anonymous No.6823576]

God Tier:
Thief

High Tier:
Splinter Cell

Mid Tier:
Hitman

Low Tier:
Tenchu

Shit Tier:
Metal Gear Solid

[Anonymous No.6823602]

>>6823576
> thief

[Anonymous No.6823610]

>>6823375
Metal Gear. It's not that hard a choice. Chaos Theory is great but the rest of Splinter Cell was always middling to me at best, whereas there are a handful of Metal Gear games I love.

[Anonymous No.6823623]

>>6823383
>MGS was a work of art, Splinter Cell was clunky and gay
This, except replace "was" with "is"

[Anonymous No.6823645]

>>6823449
>1
>not great
Which mission filtered you?

[Anonymous No.6823658]

>>6823645
not him, but SC1 is super rough in its edges, it's clear they didn't have the formula figured out yet. Too many combat-packed levels for a game with terrible combat controls. Excessively linear, stealth depended too much on breaking lights, weird pacing.

[Anonymous No.6823802]

>Metal Gear
Great blend of action and stealth, stories are thematically and philosophically dense, and even predicted the future e.g. MGS2
>Splinter Cell
Essentially a passive corridor shooter, shallow story as expected from its pulpy source material, and a US Army recruitment tool not unlike Call of Duty

[Anonymous No.6823893]

>>6823383
>MGS was a movie (and a poor one at that)
ftfy kojimacuck

[Anonymous No.6823975]

>>6823893
Go ahead then, try to make a compelling argument for Splinter Cell then. I dare you. You can't do it.

[Anonymous No.6823987]

>>6823375

[Anonymous No.6824219]

>>6823658
>combat-packed levels
>>6823802
>shooter
I love Metal Gear, but Splinter Cells is not like that at all up to Double Agent.

[Anonymous No.6824252]

Which one has fewer minorities and women? I choose that one.

[Anonymous No.6824567]

>>6823802
Metal Gear Solid has too many bullshit fantasy elements to be considered serious scifi or philosophically dense.

I can't take a series seriously that thins someone can live on in his fucking arm and then take over or fucking ghosts or vampires.

It's more a fantasy series than scifi.

[Anonymous No.6824659]

>>6823375
Splinter Cell. It's not even a contest. It's a much better game in every way imaginable. Plus Splinter Cell is more realistic, you really have to rely on Stealth. MGS fails in that department.

[Anonymous No.6824863]

>>6823375
Syphon Filter

[Anonymous No.6826120]

attention:
I like mgs
I like splinter cell
I like thief

[Anonymous No.6826136]

Splinter Cell is way better as a stealth game, and overall the series is pretty good up to the sixth gen version of Double Agent. However, I do think most of the Metal Gear Solid entries are better games than Splinter Cell.

[Anonymous No.6826137]

>>6823375
I enjoyed MGS2 more than I did SC1 or 3

[Anonymous No.6826970]

>>6823383
>Rogue Spear is the ultimate tactical action game
Yup. Not retro but Ground Branch looks like the rightful successor to the series.

[Anonymous No.6826995]

>>6823375
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1y3EQ879tuG

Imagine being The guard in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Fisher, where did ya go, all invisible and shit, with your body in the shadows. I totaly cannot see you right there over me with a giant bulb of light behind you. when all he really wants to do is shot the fucking guy right in the balls. Like seriously imagine having to be Soldier and not only have to ignore the guy in plain fucking sight right in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing the giant 3 green lights he carries in his head, while he just sits there, ,load after load, until he perfected the take down. Not only having to tolerate the fucking audacity of hiding in plain fucking sight but his haughty attitude as everyone on here tells you that DANM THATS THE BEST STEALTH GAME EVER MADE. WHERE DID FISHER GO? IS HE A GHOST OR SOMETHING?? because they're not the ones who have to walk pass there and watch the fucking elephant in the room jump from 2m onto the ground making the biggest sound in the world and you have to act like you didnt noticed it. You trained your entire life in the best boot camps in russia and was survived war zones that were considered suicide missions your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Afeganistam. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his fucking balls while he just hangs in there waiting for you to pass, smugly assured that you are oblivious to the king of stealth(for that is what he calls himself)" , the stealth he worked so hard breaking every single light bulb in the previous room's. And then the player reloads again, and you know you could kill the fucker before he even finishes climbing the wall but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Professional. You're not going to lose your future main character status in a generic FPS game over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it

[Anonymous No.6827008]

>Godlike tier
MGS3
>Top tier
Chaos theory
MGSV
>Great tier
SC1
MGS2
MGS1
Blacklist
>Ok tier
Peace walker
mopy sam killing people with a shotgun
>Meh tier
MGS4
Double agent
>shit tier
Pandora tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6827021]

Syphon filter

[Anonymous No.6827093]

>>6823375
Both are good. Splinter Cell is the better stealth game but I like MGS more overall

[Anonymous No.6827158]

>>6826995
Audio expired. What was it, a Hayter impression?

[Anonymous No.6827196]

>>6826995
One of the few pasta I always love to see.

[Anonymous No.6827468]

>>6823975
It had a more realistic and believable story, the stealth was done better, and the gameplay was more difficult.

There, I did it, what's my prize?

[Anonymous No.6827479]

>>6823375
Splinter Cell, every day of every week, since it actually has replay value and is a proper stealth game rather than being half-assed stealth mixed with half-assed action.

[Anonymous No.6827483]

>>6827008
Boy this is a god awful fucking opinion. Pandora Tomorrow is up there with Chaos Theory and Splinter Cell 1.

[Anonymous No.6827492]

>>6827008
Boy this is a god awful fucking opinion. Pandora Tomorrow is up there with Chaos Theory and Splinter Cell 1, and Chaos Theory blows MGS3 out of the fucking water.

[Anonymous No.6827525]

>>6824567
>It's more a fantasy series than scifi
So? It's fantastical sci-fi, not unlike Dune and the likes. Why would that be a detriment?

[Anonymous No.6827536]

>>6823802
>Great blend of action and stealth, stories are thematically and philosophically dense, and even predicted the future e.g. MGS2

Imagine being unironically this fucking stupid. MGS2 did not predict a single fucking thing, what the fuck are you talking about? Secondly, MGS is more of a shooter than Splinter Cell ever was, even in its most action-heavy incarnations, it never moderately approached the amount of direct conflict and shooting that was in MGS, so what the fuck are you talking about there as well? It's also not philosophically sound since it goes off on tangents, drops entire plotpoints endlessly, forgets about characters, and makes no attempt to be even moderately realistic.

Also no idea where the fuck you got "pulpy source material" from Tom Clancy. Tom Clancy's books are hard military-thriller, and he predicted 9/11.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_of_Honor

I doubt Kojima would even be able to read a Tom Clancy book and know what was going on, let alone be a better write than him, lmao. Jesus christ, get over your faggot-ass crush on Kojima butt-boy.

[Anonymous No.6827542]

>>6827492
This is correct. PT is up there just because of the multiplayer alone and CT felt like a next-gen leap in terms of game engine and mechanics.

[Anonymous No.6827549]

>>6827536
>hard military-thriller
Found the amerimutt bootlicker.

[Anonymous No.6827563]

>>6827549
Found the dipshit mutt who's never read a Tom Clancy book but thinks he can criticize him.

[Anonymous No.6827597]

>>6827542
>(1)

Got any more?

[Anonymous No.6827627]

>>6827158
Reuploaded
https://vocaroo.com/12m62iTAuYYQ

[Anonymous No.6827631]

>>6827492
i like splinter cell games
but pandora tomorrow is one of the WORSE games i've ever played in my life

[Anonymous No.6827645]

>>6827631
Then you clearly don't like Splinter Cell games. Pandora Tomorrow is literally just Splinter Cell 1 but with more mechanics.

[Anonymous No.6827652]

>>6827645
No, SC1 didnt gave you stupid restrictions for no reason other than to fuck you
SC1 lets you explore the map in some way and is not a straight path to the objective

and SC1 doesnt GAME OVER YOU FOR KILLING TERRORISTS

[Anonymous No.6827654]

>>6827627
That's even better, lol. Thanks. This is dangerous technology. Did you do it? Requesting Solid Snake deepvoice, then.

[Anonymous No.6827676]

>>6827654
i used that site that allowed you to put a text then the AI would read it to you
unfortunetly they shut it down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTlE0IfUntw

there is one with glados, im thinking about redoing with her voice

[Anonymous No.6827881]

>>6823375
>based American-made revolutionary masterpiece in the stealth genre
>retarded gook-made anime/movie ripoff clusterfuck written by a thieving hack
Yeah....I think the choice is obvious

[Anonymous No.6827894]

>>6827536
Tom Clancy was always a pulp writer.

[Anonymous No.6827906]

>>6827881
>revolutionary
I love SC but they copied Thief mechanics completely.

[Anonymous No.6827924]

>>6823375
Chaos Theory > MGS2 > MGS3 > Pandora Tomorrow > MGS1 > Splinter Cell 1

[Anonymous No.6827939]

>>6827906
Splinter Cell was essentially Thief for consoles, which then got ported to PC right at the time Thief was dying, so it filled a niche.

[Anonymous No.6827948]

>>6823576
t. Razorfist

[Anonymous No.6827954]

>>6827906
boo hoo faggit idc and no one even knows what theif is

[Anonymous No.6828018]

>>6827954
zoom

[Anonymous No.6828042]

>>6827948
GOD... FUCKIN' SPEED.

[Anonymous No.6828069]

>>6828042
>GOD... KEKIN' SPEED
ftfy

[Anonymous No.6828073]

>>6823975
Gameplay lives up to the standards of its time and isn't a decade obsolete. AI doesn't instantly forget your existence just because they can't see you. Dialogue sounds like something that humans would say to each other. Very few forced combat encounters. Backstory is told organically and not shoved down the player's throat in long radio diatribes.

[Anonymous No.6828098]

>>6823375
for me it's pic related

[Anonymous No.6828116]

>>6823975
Splinter Cell actually emphasizes using stealth whereas MGS lets you ham your way by shooting everything.

[Anonymous No.6828123]

>>6823375
Chaos Theory, Pandora Tomorrow >>>>>>> Every other Metal Gear game.

[Anonymous No.6828140]

>>6828116
It's pretty easy to shoot your way through Chaos Theory in a lot of cases, even if you don't choose the assault loadout.

[Anonymous No.6828292]

>>6823375
Splinter Cell mainly because of Chaos Theory

[Anonymous No.6828325]

>>6823576

Alpha and Omega cringe.
>>6827948
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.6828334]

>>6827468
Your prize is Splinter Cell becoming a dead franchise that nobody cares enough about to see revived.

[Anonymous No.6828361]

>>6828334
>POPULAR = GOOD!
go play some fortnite then
MGS is dead too senpai

[Anonymous No.6828393]

>>6828361
>Nobody wants my shitty Clancy trash
Cry more kid. There's a big difference between a company shutting down a creator on the eve of his biggest selling release and some cucked franchise that got whored around to different UBsoft developers before shitting the bed due to crap games and cosumer indifference. People still talk about MGS and are clamoring for a sequel. Rest assured, if Konami announced MGS5, it would be a major deal. Nobody wants Splinter Cell and it's crummy gameplay and Real Politik, dry story, nobody.

[Anonymous No.6828406]

>>6827536
>Imagine being this mad because some Jap completely dabs on your genre full of failed, dead franchise.
>Unironically defending Clancy, one of the biggest flag-waving, Gary Sue hacks in all of fiction
Wew lad get a damn grip.

[Anonymous No.6828440]

>>6827008
MGS3: subsistence and MGSV: Ground Zeroes are top form. While I've never liked SC, I can respect your opinion. And yes, Pandora Tomorrow is one of the worst games I've played.

[Anonymous No.6828446]

>>6823375
Metal Gear all day. Not even a choice.

[Anonymous No.6828448]

is it any good? I know people say that 6th gen version is the good one, but wonder about this. Heard the PC version is super buggy

[Anonymous No.6828454]

>>6828325
>Literally who?

[Anonymous No.6828476]

>>6828334
>>6828393
>>6828406
This is your brain on Kojimacuckery
>>6828448
6th and 7th gen versions are different games, with the OG Xbox version being the best 6th gen port. 7th gen version may be best on 360.

[Anonymous No.6828512]

I'd go with MGS. The only Splinter Cell game I played was some PS2 one, which years later I learned was actually a terrible port that made everything worse or something so I don't know much about it.

What are the actual good Splinter Cell games like?

[Anonymous No.6828520]

>>6828512
>What are the actual good Splinter Cell games like?
Fun games that actually feel like you're playing a stealth game (ala Thief), not a janky action game with hide and seek elements and cinematic horseshit bolted on.

Get yourself Chaos Theory on PC and start there.

[Anonymous No.6828526]

Splinter Cell is terribly overrated. Realism my ass. You sit in a dark corner somewhere and you're completely invisible.

[Anonymous No.6828528]

>>6828520
>Get yourself Chaos Theory on PC and start there.
I prefer the XBOX version, the AI is way less buggy than in PC. They messed up with that for some reason.

[Anonymous No.6828542]

>>6827652
>SC1 lets you explore the map in some way and is not a straight path to the objective

It's pretty much just linear corridors and hallways: The game

[Anonymous No.6828543]

>>6828528
>I prefer the XBOX version, the AI is way less buggy than in PC.
I've played both versions of Chaos Theory and never noticed. Elaboarate?
>>6828526
>You sit in a dark corner somewhere and you're completely invisible.
>He never had enemies light up flares or bump up next to time in the darkness
>implying Vision Cone Solid is any more realistic

[Anonymous No.6828546]

>>6828542
>It's pretty much just linear corridors and hallways: The game
So it's like MGS?

[Anonymous No.6828553]

>>6828520
Being forced to crouch walk all the time and hide in dark corners != stealth

[Anonymous No.6828562]

>>6828543
It's not more realistic, it knows it's a game, but a game where a someone can stand 2 meters away from you but can't notice you because a you're in a dark spot is hardly any better. Plus, when you add the clunky dogshit controls, corridor level design and garbage models and animations it all just adds to a more painful experience.

[Anonymous No.6828565]

>>6828520
I generally write off any game described as, "it's like X but" however I realize the nature of the thread is comparing the series so I'll ask about Splinter Cell again. What are the good Splinter Cell games like?

[Anonymous No.6828568]

>>6828546
No. The first area in MGS1 is much more open than the entire first two stages of SC1.

[Anonymous No.6828574]

>>6828546
lol have you ever seen a MGS map before in your entire life

[Anonymous No.6828585]

>>6828543
>I've played both versions of Chaos Theory and never noticed. Elaboarate?
Enemies in PC have sometimes some weird telepathy where they're kinda aware of where you are even if you're invisible. It gets more noticeable from the Battery level onwards. One example would be the Seoul level, where soldiers and tanks can shoot you even in cases where they shouldn't be aware of your presence. Do you remember the last part of that level, where you could save the lives of 2 US soldiers? in the PC version you need to use smoke grenades or the tank will shoot you. In the XBOX version that is not necessary, just remain in the darkness. There's also stuff like randomly getting an alarm even if you take down an enemy silently. The XBOX version is way much more balanced.

Believe me, I've done Ironman runs on both versions and the PC version always drives me mad with how random the AI can be, specially on Seoul and the Bathhouse.

[Anonymous No.6828605]

>>6828526
Anybody that tells you Thief or Splinter Cell are super "realistic" stealth sims or something are trolling. They just have a more methodical pace; they aren't hard to cheese and they're hardly realistic. I like Splinter Cell and Metal Gear both, for the record.
>>6828562
The stealth is altogether at a slower pace, and doesn't revolve around line of sight so much as exploiting shadows to hide in. Sometimes this means shooting out lights, but often there are already shadows you can exploit and you can't always blow out lights without alerting guards. There's also a bit of a vertical element with being able to climb on stuff, but it's more of a tertiary mechanic and even in areas where you can do it it isn't necessarily worth bothering with. At the very least I would recommend Chaos Theory.

[Anonymous No.6828617]

>>6828553
Vision cones and boss battles =! stealth
>>6828565
>What are the good Splinter Cell games like?
Their actual stealth games.
>>6828568
>>6828574
Oh wow big open heliport that funnels you to one entrance and the only "freedom" is evading/killing retard genome soldiers and an extra gun if you don't way to actually play a stealth game.
>>6828585
Interesting,
>Do you remember the last part of that level, where you could save the lives of 2 US soldiers? in the PC version you need to use smoke grenades or the tank will shoot you. In the XBOX version that is not necessary, just remain in the darkness
Good to know I only beat CT on PC and played about half the Xbox version years ago, hence how I never noticed

[Anonymous No.6828628]

>>6823457
if we're including spin-off sure there are plenty of good metal gear games. VR missions, ghost babel, the acid games (even though it's not considered retro) & the original MGO.

but if we're talking about mainline games it's basically just MGS1 & MGS3 while peace walker, rising and (arguably) MGS5 are not retro.

>inb4 the MSX games
nobody remembers the MSX games not even konami or kojima

[Anonymous No.6828634]

>>6828562
>Plus, when you add the clunky dogshit controls
Nigger, just stop.
>corridor level design
Yes because MGS's "sandboxes" that funnel from one point to another are so much freer.
>garbage models and animations
Yes, because we know the same canned animation for guards in MGS look much more realistic.

MGS really is the normalfag's game of choice.

[Anonymous No.6828639]

>>6828628
MGS2 is better than any game in your post

[Anonymous No.6828649]

>>6828628
>nobody remembers the MSX games
I do. They're great.

[Anonymous No.6828657]

>>6828639
MGS2 Plant level has atrocious level design, and when you look at it, it's just a few rooms you backtrack over and over and over and over and over.

[Anonymous No.6828671]

>>6828639
>MGS2 is better than any game in your post
of course my raiden is my wife's son's favorite character and his dad loves how deep the plot is.

[Anonymous No.6828690]

>>6828671
lmao purely epic toppest kek

[Anonymous No.6828704]

>>6828657
>MGS2 Plant level has atrocious level design
Disagree.

[Anonymous No.6828736]

>>6828704
how many times you are forced to go back to struct F?

[Anonymous No.6829032]

>>6828334
Based as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6829075]

>>6829032
Indeed, my wife's black son loves MGS.

[Anonymous No.6829086]

Do beepzorz really?.

[Anonymous No.6829101]

>>6829086
What's a beepzorz

[Anonymous No.6830043]

>People shitting on double agent.

Do yourselves a favour and get an OG Xbox copy of double agent.

Also SC > MGS

[Anonymous No.6830158]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU2-XypZ6eg

[Anonymous No.6830284]

>>6830043
I got both the Xbox and Xbox 360 versions of Double Agent, I like them both.

[Anonymous No.6830318]

>>6823576
>God Tier:
>Thief
You're gunna cause some serious screeching from insecure casuals with that

[Anonymous No.6830520]

>>6823576
on stealth gameplay? throwout hitman and move tenchu up.

[Anonymous No.6830623]

>>6830520
Depends on what Hitman. Hitman SA is actually pretty fucking intense.

[Anonymous No.6831475]

>>6823375
I can't choose. I like both. But I feel Splinter Cell had a better run than MGS. Just my personal opinion. The series stopped evolving with MGS4, at least Splinter Cell kept evolving and being interesting, bad games aside.

>>6827008
>MGSV
>Top tier
I disagree. But fair enough. Everything else is reasonable. Although I wouldn't say Pandora Tomorrow is shit tier.

>>6826120
>>6827021
Based

>>6823802
>Splinter Cell
>Corridor Shooter
Hang yourself this instant.

>>6823576
>Low tier
>Tenchu
Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.6831489]

>>6828617
>retard genome
common now do you realy want to compare AI's in these games when the AI in sc is completly brain dead since the first one?

[Anonymous No.6831654]

>>6831489
>webm
you know that happens in MGS games too, right? it's a video game convenience at this point

[Anonymous No.6831668]

>>6823893
MGS1 and 2 were more movie than game sometimes, but I thought they were good at what they did, and they at least tried to be more artistically creative than the average game.
MGS3 felt like it lost some of that creativity and it was more like "just" another game.
Haven't played any other MG games yet.

[Anonymous No.6831759]

>>6823375
>no personality, real time lighting tech demo over Metal Gear
How is this even a choice?

[Anonymous No.6831881]

>>6830318
I'll be the first. I love Deus Ex and System Shock 2 but always thought Thief was shit. Perhaps going back to play it after those refinements was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.6832060]

>>6828098
you mean coyote

[Anonymous No.6832712]

>>6828617
>Oh wow big open heliport
Yes. Not everyone likes cramped corridors.

>>6828634
>Yes because MGS's "sandboxes" that funnel from one point to another are so much freer.

They literally are. Especially when you compare it a game where you have zero freedom.

>canned animation

As opposed to what? Splinter Cell doesn't have canned animations? Fact is MGS games models and animations look far superior to Splinter Cell. Laughed my ass off recently at the opening scene in SC1. What a garbage fucking game!

[Anonymous No.6832742]

>>6831475
>the series stopped evolving with MGS4

Except every game after 4 was different?

[Anonymous No.6833559]

>>6823658
>combat-packed levels
Anon...

>>6823645
TECHNOLOGY

[Anonymous No.6833616]

>>6833559
Oil Rig, Kalinatek, Abattoir, last level.
>in b4 "you can stealth those!"
yes, in extremely clunky and unintuitive ways because the levels were designed to put you in combat situations

[Anonymous No.6833658]

>>6833616
You can absolutely stealth those levels, and are actively encouraged to do so. Just because they're challenging does not mean that you are being "put into combat situations" since stealth is still the best way to complete them.