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Did it really invent a new genre?

>> No.6818971

>>6818967
Not really. It just blended what previous games did already into a smoother jam.

>> No.6818972

ahhh the shit genre one of my favorite kinds of games

>> No.6818981

>>6818967
What genre would that even be?
If you mean story-driven FPS, Half Life kind of has that title for sparking that run.
If you mean the RPG elements and plasmids, System Shock and Deus Ex had that covered.

>> No.6818990

No. It definitely didn't invent 0451/Immersive Sims, and if we're talking shooters based on level exploration with magic systems, Clive Barker's Undying did it well before Bioshock.

>> No.6818993

>>6818971
what is a jam

>> No.6818998

Then what should I play if I liked Bioshock

>> No.6819000

idk about invent but it was really fucking good

>> No.6819001

>>6818967
Isn't it weird how two attempts at making System Shock 3 ended up giving us two entirely different series of games?

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>>6818993
A jam is a condiment typically made of fruit like berries or grapes, used commonly on toast but also can be found in some doughnuts

>> No.6819008

>>6819001
what was the other attemp

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>>6819008

>> No.6819023

>>6818998
Nah, BioShock isn't that good. The game was never getting praise for its gameplay even at release, besides the variety in Plasmids which are mostly situational at best. The story and art design got all the praise, which is fine, but the gameplay wasn't anything remarkable.
Then BioShock 2 tried to make the gameplay good and got shit on by critics. Wack.

>> No.6819028

>>6819018
>RE4 in space

>> No.6819035

>>6819028
RE4's success is what caused Dead Space to happen, yes.

>> No.6819042

>>6818990
Undying also did the "magic in one hand and weapon in the other" thing before BioShock 2 lol.

>> No.6819068

>>6819028
Very little in common with RE4 mechanically. RE4 is all about running up, baiting an attack > backing up to dodge it > stepping forward > knifing enemy in the face > kick prompt, launching them backwards to stagger and damage every nearby enemy > repeat. RE4 when played efficiently (especially on professional) is essentially a brawler, for the first half of the game you're only ever shooting bosses, everyone else gets kicked around, and you'll have so many spare items that you'll need to start vendoring everything because you can't even come close to carrying all of the surplus loot.

Dead Space is a proper survival horror all the way through.

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6819087

>>6818967
Of course not, it's an immersive sim.

>> No.6819106

>>6819087
what is that

>> No.6819114

>>6819106
damn man congratulations on learning how to post on 4chan without basic literacy skills, really inspiring man you keep up that grind

>> No.6819121

>>6819106
fucking retard

>> No.6819124

>>6819114
uh? what?

>> No.6819705

>>6819106
Its a shitty term for any looking glass studio inspired game. Basically if your game has 451 as a password its an immersive sim.

>> No.6819746
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>>6818967
It's literally dumbed down System Shock 2. No seriously I thought people were exaggerating when I heard this. Everything is copied. The cameras, alcohol giving you hp but draining mana, the red light district, fuckign everything. They just slapped a 1950s underwater aesthetic on it.

>> No.6819750

>>6819705
The term really does have no meaning. I understand why shit like SS1, UU1, Deus Ex, Arx Fatalis, etc are immersive sims. You're exploring a world and there's shit to find. I don't understand why Thief, Bioshock, Dishonored, etc are immersive sims. SS2 almost makes sense it's like in a grey area.

>> No.6819765

>>6818981
System Shock 1 didn't have rpg elements, retard.

>> No.6819775

>>6819068
Neither games are survival horror. You don't have infinite health/ammo and have the first gun be viable all the way through in survival horror.

>> No.6819784

>>6819765
>RPG elements = Experience points
You're the retard lmao