DREAMCAST HATE THREAD

[Anonymous No.6816952]

It's time I put you onion guzzlers in your fucking places. This console gets sucked off way too much here and since we had an N64 hate thread, why the fuck not?
>the N64 controller, but worse
>VMUs had less space than a fucking PS1 MC, sportsball took up the entire thing
>boring user interface, barely more to do than the fucking GC's
>better textures, aliasing and image clarity than PS2; but (often exponentially) worse everything else; zero advantages compared to Xbox/GC
>above point was often moot as there are plenty of DC games with jaggies and blurry N64 smears
>textureless, Gouraud-shaded, low-poly models, yet fanboys will still say it had better grafx than PS2
>garish color saturation, comparing DC and PS2 multiplats is like Genesis vs SNES
>Post-processing? 60fps cutscenes? More than 3 million polys? FMVs? What are those?
>Shenmue, the closest anything got to maxing out the DC, never cracks 30fps and was outclassed by PS2 games within a year
>basically a 1998 arcade board/low-end PC in a box, which was obsolete by both standards within a year
>barely any original games, 90% of the library is arcade/PC/PS1 ports with minimal enhancements, many are actually worse
>some of the very few original titles also got backported to PS1 and N64 with minimal downgrades
>you can count all the truly next-gen titles on 2 hands; most were ported/had sequels on PS2/Xbox/GC with major improvements
>launch lineup jerked off as the best ever made, but there are only 2 must-own games, and one is a straight arcade port
>console's design and game packaging looks and feels like it's ripping off the PS1, which it basically was
>most games' production values are budget as fuck and it shows
>the reddit-using, onion-guzzling, contrarian coomlector's console of choice along with the even worse (((Shiturn)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBGB5SErt4

[Anonymous No.6816961]

>>6816952
Take a hike bozoo

[Anonymous No.6816964]

>onion guzzlers
time to go back

[Anonymous No.6816967]

>>6816961
Based and Berniepilled. This clown can't handle the fvtvre.

[Anonymous No.6816969]

the virgin disc-based sega systems
vs
the chad cart-based sega systems

[Anonymous No.6816975]

>>6816952
>few dreamcast threads appear for a while in the last couple days
>"wtf why is this console so discussed here?"
Retard. Anyway, it was a fun console, sure it was the worst comparing to the other 6th gen consoles, but it was still an interesting piece of hardware for its time.

[Anonymous No.6816976]

>>6816961
>he can't even spell bozo correctly
You first

[Anonymous No.6816982]

>>6816975
>>few dreamcast threads appear for a while in the last couple days
Keyword: the past few days, because its superior contemporaries are now allowed.
Before that there were 10 threads about it every day.

[Anonymous No.6816993]

>>6816969
>calling nintendo tapes "carts"
zoomzoom

[Anonymous No.6816995]

>>6816982
No, there wasn't. It did have Bernieposting a lot. I think a day before the coming of the 6th gen the Dreamcast had a peak of threads, some that are still alive.

[Anonymous No.6817017]

>>6816952
Xbox > Dreamcast > Gamecube > Piss Station 2.

[Anonymous No.6817020]

>>6816961
This, my Bernie nigga the genius mastermind himself saw Soul Calibur and personally lobbied to make sure the tits physics carried over accurately, pure high fidelity testosterone boosting arcade VS FIGHTING. You think Bernie would allow something as gay as Orphen be a launch title for the SEGA fucking Dreamcast? Get on that treadmill you fat pinko queer OP

[Anonymous No.6817024]

>>6816975
>sure it was the worst comparing to the other 6th gen consoles,
Xbox and Shitcube were way worse, though, games-wise.

[Anonymous No.6817029]

If you didn't like arcade games you weren't going to like the Dreamcast.

http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=721
http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=723
http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=812

[Anonymous No.6817052]

>>6817017
The memecast has a lot of shimmering too. Not sure what your point is especially since that gun probably has more polys than any single DC character model.
What game by the way?

[Anonymous No.6817060]

>>6817024
I meant more on the hardware department. GD-Rom was a clear mistake. I'm with you on the games though, I like the arcade/5th gen-ish style of the gamecube more. And also most games on Xbox and Gamecube had versions for the PS2 so lmao

[Anonymous No.6817062]

>>6817020
>cherrypicking this hard
SoulCalibur: "Who are you?"
pic related: "I'm you, but stronger."

[Anonymous No.6817063]

>>6817052
>Not sure what your point is
That the PS2 is shit.
>What game by the way?
TimeSplitters Future Perfect.

[Anonymous No.6817070]

Man I love onions wtf

[Anonymous No.6817076]

>>6816952
>we had an N64 hate thread
Why do people hate the N64?

[Anonymous No.6817090]

>>6817076
Sony fanboys feel the constant need to cope.

[Anonymous No.6817093]

>>6817063
A fellow hexbox chad I see

[Anonymous No.6817107]

>>6817063
>Xbox fan
My beef is not with you. Now post the Dreamcast version, oh you wait, you can't!

[Anonymous No.6817118]

>>6817076
Why do people like it?

[Anonymous No.6817121]

>>6817107
>Now post the Dreamcast version, oh you wait, you can't!
Rent free

[Anonymous No.6817123]

>>6817076
Fifth-generation console wars have aggressively spilled over from /v/ throughout the last few months.

[Anonymous No.6817130]

>>6817118
Had a ton of fun games, I don't know, I liked it back then

[Anonymous No.6817135]

>>6817130
Me too, but I don't like it any more

[Anonymous No.6817152]

>>6817076
I don't hate it, it's just not terribly important to me

[Anonymous No.6817153]

>>6816993
from where i'm from we always called them steamed vinyls

[Anonymous No.6817159]

>>6816952
nah the Dreamcast was based

[Anonymous No.6817167]

>>6817121
>Rent-free
15 to 1 and 13 years to 18 months, little segay. It's seething.

[Anonymous No.6817174]

>>6817062
>Namco fighters
They belong in the trash.
Sega was always better.

[Anonymous No.6817178]

>>6817174
ok cumtrarian

[Anonymous No.6817191]

>>6817167
>15 to 1 and 13 years to 18 months, little segay.
This is your mind on s0ýny

[Anonymous No.6817197]

>>6816952
dreamcast is over rated and has few good games
but it had soul, it cared about gamey games for gamers

[Anonymous No.6817226]

>>6817062
>Tekken
What are you some fucking Europoor or gook? Nah, I bet you are some stinkin Europoor, to me everything east of Germany is Russia don't even care what that shit hole you live in is officially called.

[Anonymous No.6817236]

>>6817191
>This is your mind on objectivity
FTFY
>>6817226
>Europoor
You just described the majority of dreamcucks

[Anonymous No.6817237]

>>6817197
Sega Saturn had more soul than Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.6817239]

>>6817237
saturn had even less good games

[Anonymous No.6817247]

>>6817239
I know, it was a disaster...but it had S O U L

[Anonymous No.6817249]

>>6817239
No, Saturn had more good games. Both are very good, Dreamcast a little less good but this can be chalked up to the amount of time it was on the market. We do know lots of good games were pulled from it due to its market death.

[Anonymous No.6817267]

>>6817236
>>This is your mind on objectivity
>FTFY
Only if it's objective bad taste, lmao

[Anonymous No.6817281]

>>6817236
>You just described the majority of dreamcucks
Flat out revisionism
> the Dreamcast sold 10.6 million units worldwide, including 5,433,501 in the United States, 2.86 million in Asia, and 1.79 million in Europe.

[Anonymous No.6817305]

>>6817267
>objective facts are bad taste
Lay off the HRT, it fucks with your brain.

[Anonymous No.6817320]

>>6817281
It's mostly eurocucks who fawn over the memecast. Anywhere on the internet you see people showing off their memecast stuff, 1 out of 3 times it's PAL shit.

[Anonymous No.6817334]

>>6817249
>Saturn had more good games
Not if you're not Japanese and/or a coomlector. The Dreamcast at least had a few mainstream hits.

[Anonymous No.6817347]

>>6817305
>HRT
Oh, I know who you are. You are the s0ýny nigger that got btfo on some Dreamcast threads. Making a thread to protect youself? lmao

[Anonymous No.6817369]

>the console whose selling point is Final Faggotry and JRPGs calling something soi
LMFAOO, SEGA never got one Final Faggotry game thank god.
Stick to your tranny, cuckold shit

[Anonymous No.6817373]

>>6817062
Monet Station

[Anonymous No.6817374]

>>6817347
>Oh, I know who you are.
Do ya? Link some warosu posts who you think belong to me, schizo.

[Anonymous No.6817379]

>>6817334
We're 25 years removed from the launch of the Saturn, playing those Japanese games is no problem considering how many of them have no language barrier.

[Anonymous No.6817387]

>>6817369
What is Skies of Arcadia then, segooch?
Also jarpigs were the selling point of the PS1, not PS2.

[Anonymous No.6817391]

>>6817369
Thank god Bernie Stolar stopped such horrible tranny shit corrupting the minds of the youth.

[Anonymous No.6817397]

>>6817379
They aren't mainstream either and not nostalgic for Americans. Sorry but that lessens the experience.

[Anonymous No.6817398]

>>6817387
>What is Skies of Arcadia then, segooch?
Why, a great game

[Anonymous No.6817407]

>>6817391
t. saturd seething because PDShitga was the only, far inferior, option for shiturn owners

[Anonymous No.6817412]

>>6817379
Most of them are just inferior arcade ports that you're better off playing on an arcade emu, though.
Look how bad they fucked up Gun Frontier, for example.

[Anonymous No.6817417]

>>6817320
>"n-no! it is a lie i know!"
kek, faggot

[Anonymous No.6817418]

>>6817398
As is FF9, which came out the same day and managed to have a higher budget AND better graphics despite being on a previous-gen system.

[Anonymous No.6817424]

>>6817374
You know you suck at this when you are recognized on an anonymous image board lmao

[Anonymous No.6817428]

>>6817412
>Most of them are just inferior arcade ports that you're better off playing on an arcade emu
This is completely wrong, many are expanded on the Saturn and have additional characters. They' often so good that they're the competition standard such as with Vampire Savior.
>how bad they fucked up Gun Frontier
Post proof.

[Anonymous No.6817432]

>>6817418
>As is FF9, which came out the same day and managed to have a higher budget

[Anonymous No.6817520]

>>6817424
As I thought, you couldn't prove shit.

[Anonymous No.6817529]

@6817432

[Anonymous No.6817535]

Uhhh SONY bros?
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/diversity/report/05_32.html

[Anonymous No.6817536]

>>6817520
You reaction is enough. You could've just said "take your meds schizo" or even ignored and moved on. Instead you felt the need of having the job to ask for proofs.

[Anonymous No.6817542]

@6817529
>they spent a lot of money on the game
>that makes it good

[Anonymous No.6817557]

>>6817536
>You reaction is enough.

[Anonymous No.6817562]

@6817542
It literally does though. At least for a jarpig.

[Anonymous No.6817602]

@6817535
not retro

[Anonymous No.6817609]

Notice how even arcade games on the ps2 are tranny shit?
>Change gender at the tip of one button
Lmfaoooooo you can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.6817626]

>>6817557
Nice self portrait. Every Dreamcast discussion you get into always ends with "YEAH THAT'S WHAT HRT DOES TO YOU" like you've just learned what HRT is.

[Anonymous No.6817654]

>>6817609
>Nice self portrait.
>The pic about samefagging is a picture of my face
???
Also take your meds, transchizo.

[Anonymous No.6817658]

>>6817654
meant for>>6817626

[Anonymous No.6817672]

>>6817654
>>6817658
>"Also take your meds, transchizo."
>can't even quote the right post
lmao

[Anonymous No.6817679]

>>6816952
Based. filthy neckbeard redditors seething.

I've found a few DC's in a pawn shops, goodwill and flea markets for a little of nothing and smashed each one. One less price of trash of a dying breed left to pollute the planet. Every DC I find for sale I'll make it my duty to destroy them.

[Anonymous No.6817684]

>they couldn't port this queer fujoshit game accurately to PS2 because of a section that scrolls backwards
>The original hardware is literally a glorified neo geo
LOL, the power of PS2

[Anonymous No.6817712]

>>6817684
>not being able to port a literal tranny game to the PS2 is somehow a bad thing

[Anonymous No.6817746]

>>6817672

[Anonymous No.6817752]

mars matrix > any tranmaku on the ps2

[Anonymous No.6817753]

>>6817609
nice strawman nigger, but it never came out in america so it doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.6817765]

>>6817746
>image
>made the same thing on post before mine because of "portrait"
lmao

[Anonymous No.6817794]

>>6817557
Best post

[Anonymous No.6817802]

>>6817752
Even the plot is pure Chad, suppress some offworlder spaceoid vermin.

[Anonymous No.6817810]

>>6817765
you're not even being coherent anymore

[Anonymous No.6817818]

>>6817752
>at least 100 bones for an obscure arcade game exactly like 99% of its kind
Why are shmupfags so dumb?

[Anonymous No.6817831]

>>6816952
I personally refer the Dreamcast as a 5th gen console. Not that it's a bad thing, tho

[Anonymous No.6817837]

>>6817062
>youtube comment format
Post discarded.

[Anonymous No.6817849]

>>6816952
Sega needed to streamline the Saturn's hardware and give the Dreamcast another 2 years in development so that it can use a SH-5 chip at 600MHz, a Power-VR 3 GPU at 300MHZ and DVD support.

[Anonymous No.6817851]

>>6817810
Hey, I like PS2 games too, wanna discuss about it?

[Anonymous No.6817861]

>>6817849
Take the Dreamcast 2 pill aka Xbox.

[Anonymous No.6817871]

>>6817373
Nice 144p screenshot from a 2005 youtube video, now post what the game actually looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq0aQD_x82k

[Anonymous No.6817875]

>>6817861
How were the Xbox ports of Dreamcast games?

[Anonymous No.6817878]

>>6817837
>attacking style of speech instead of substance
Opinion disregarded.

[Anonymous No.6817883]

>>6817878
>no u

[Anonymous No.6817885]

>>6817197
>gamey games for gamers
When people say this it always sounds pretentious as fuck. And the competition had plenty of games like that as well so why single out the DC?

[Anonymous No.6817891]

>>6817417
1 out of 3 is more than 1 out of 100 as with every other home console. No revisionism here I'm afraid.

[Anonymous No.6817896]

>>6817883

[Anonymous No.6817897]

>>6817878
>implying your post had substance any substance in the first place
Concession accepted.

[Anonymous No.6817907]

>>6816952
So is anyone gonna even attempt to refute my points or are we just gonna have an ad-hominem circlejerk that doesn't address why or why not the Dreamcast deserves hate?

[Anonymous No.6817910]

>>6817907
Refute what? You're right, those are facts. I still like the console nonetheless, just as I like the PS2.

[Anonymous No.6817913]

>>6817897
>implying there was an actual argument here

[Anonymous No.6817949]

>>6817907
The Dreamcast is a piece of shit
But it's MY piece of shit

[Anonymous No.6817952]

>>6817907
Because the points you try to push are nothing but low IQ drivel.
>Look guys the Dreamcast games got ported after the manufacturer bankrupted and had to cease support for the system.

[Anonymous No.6817964]

>>6817885
Name some that are original to the system, I doubt you can name more than 5 for each.

[Anonymous No.6818037]

>>6816952
>anyone will read all this shit
wew lad

[Anonymous No.6818269]

>>6817964
>I doubt you can name more than 5 for each.
Your cockiness will be your downfall.
PS2:
Devil May Cry 1 and 3
Midnight Club 1-3
Smuggler's Run 1-2
Ridge Racer V
Gradius V
Contra: Shattered Soldier
Twisted Metal: Black
All the Silent Hill games
All the Jaks, Slys, Ratchet and Clanks, and Ape Escapes
etc. etc. etc.
Gamecube:
Everything first-party, and I say this as someone who hates Nintendo.
REmake, RE Zero, Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2.
Xbox:
Halo 1 and 2.
DOA3 and Ultimate.
MechAssault.
Ninja Gaiden Black.
PGR 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.6818276]

>>6818037
>segays have the attention span of a gnat
WEW lad.

[Anonymous No.6818491]

>seething

[Anonymous No.6818497]

>>6816952
The only reason this piece of shit is was even discussed was because other 6th gen consoles weren't around. Wait a bit and segafags will neck themselves and you'll never see it being mentioned again.

[Anonymous No.6818512]

>>6816952
DC games look like they are from 5th generation but somehow with more polygons lol

[Anonymous No.6818523]

>>6817076
Probably because there are no games worth playing that weren't made by Rare/Nintendo, so it's a sub 20 titles library.

[Anonymous No.6818725]

>>6818491
Is what segays love to do all the time

[Anonymous No.6819286]

>>6816952
Imagine taking the time to write all of this shit about a 20 year old console. All consoles have good stuff, faggot. And it's easier than ever to sample all the great games a console has. So instead of being a fucking idiot and writing retarded essays, download some games and play them.

[Anonymous No.6819296]

>>6819286
>download

[Anonymous No.6819345]

>>6816952
>calls people redditors and onion guzzlers
>uses sportsball unironically
dreamcast hate thread isn't even a bad idea you are just a faggot OP

[Anonymous No.6819354]

>>6819296
No, no, you should totally waste money on original hardware and software when even phones nowadays can play dreamcast games at like 1440p resolution.

[Anonymous No.6819412]

>>6819345
>using normal site slang makes me a faggot

[Anonymous No.6819417]

>>6819354
>phones
>digital screens
Enjoy your input lag faggot

[Anonymous No.6819428]

>>6819417
People like you are insufferable. What lag you mental patient.

[Anonymous No.6819495]

>>6819428
The lag that comes from playing games made for CRTs on a non-CRT.
Enjoy sucking at Space Channel 5.

[Anonymous No.6819589]

>>6819412
sportsball is completely unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.6819614]

>>6819589

[Anonymous No.6819687]

>>6819495
Whatever schizo. Loads of people play retro games on lcds with zero issues. You just chose to make it a problem. Enjoy being special.

[Anonymous No.6819712]

>>6819687
>people
The word you're looking for is subhuman insectoids. Go be a nog somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.6819718]

>>6817017
Is this supposed to look bad?

[Anonymous No.6819721]

>>6817347
This is your brain on HRT.

[Anonymous No.6819918]

>>6816952
>the N64 controller, but worse
Better Analog Stick and Analog Triggers so no.
>VMUs had less space than a fucking PS1 MC
They're the same size, both are 128KB. However the VMU is partitioned better allowing for 200 blocks, while the PS1 wastefully partitions it into 15 blocks.
>boring user interface.
Who gives a shit?
>better textures, aliasing and image clarity than PS2; worse everything else;
Compare games that came out around the same time instead of ones that came out years later.
> plenty of DC games with jaggies and blurry N64 smears
Usually those are the ones ported from the N64 with minimal updates.
>textureless, Gouraud-shaded, low-poly models
That was a thing on the PS2 early on as well. This was the era where devs were more concerned about how many polygons they were pushing.
>garish color saturation.
Sorry but I'd rather have things be colorful than washed out.
>Post-processing?
Define post-processing.
>60fps cutscenes?
Sonic Adventure 2. Granted not all of them, but a good amount of them.
>FMVs?
Mpeg Sofdec says hi.
>Shenmue, the closest anything got to maxing out the DC, never cracks 30fps and was outclassed by PS2 games within a year
That more speaks to the fact that the Dreamcast was discontinued a year after the PS2 came out. That said, there's DC games that look better than Shenmue.
>a 1998 arcade board/low-end PC, was obsolete by both standards within a year
Welcome to console gaming.
> 90% of the library is arcade/PC/PS1 ports
It's almost like it was made by a company that made Arcade games with influences from a PC Software company in the middle of the PS1's life.
>original titles also got backported to PS1 and N64 with minimal downgrades
Like what?
>most were ported/had sequels on PS2/Xbox/GC with major improvements
More like broken in someway.
>The Launch
Was good for the time, and Soul Calibur isn't just a straight up port.
>most games' production values are budget as fuck and it shows
This speaks more to the era it came out in.

[Anonymous No.6820125]

>>6819918
>Better Analog Stick and Analog Triggers so no.
Worse stick that your thumb slips off a lot. Anal log triggers are a meme.
>They're the same size, both are 128KB. However the VMU is partitioned better allowing for 200 blocks, while the PS1 wastefully partitions it into 15 blocks.
It's still a bad thing. A next-gen console should have an exponentially larger memory card to hold larger saves for more ambitious games.
>Who gives a shit?
I do. Especially when the PS2, GC and Xbox menus are a thing.
>Compare games that came out around the same time instead of ones that came out years later.
I am. DOA2 Hardcore vs DOA2 on Dreamcast is the prime example of this.
>Usually those are the ones ported from the N64 with minimal updates.
I had Shenmue in mind when I typed that out.
>That was a thing on the PS2 early on as well. This was the era where devs were more concerned about how many polygons they were pushing.
And the memecast sucked at that too. And no, even the PS2 launch titles had better graphics than most memecast games especially in the shading department.
>Sorry but I'd rather have things be colorful than washed out.
Colorful is one thing. Many PS2 games are colorful. It's when you have less colors and use more saturated ones that it's a problem. Compare the grass in Spyro on PS1 with the garish grass in Banjo on N64, it's the same idea.
>Define post-processing.
Those filters you put over the graphics to make the image look a little fancier. Fog, bloom, color correction, motion blur, shaders, etc. Yeah, these suck when overdone like in the 7th gen, but Dreamcast games often had none of these, and the resulting image looks really, really raw, like the games are in a beta state.
>Sonic Adventure 2. Granted not all of them, but a good amount of them.
Haven't yet played it. The DC games I've played have locked 30fps cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.6820182]

>>6820125
OK retard. Go play something else.

[2/2 No.6820241]

>>6819918
>>6820125
>Mpeg Sofdec says hi.
When I say FMVs I mean pre-rendered stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXUT4j9iqbU
You can count the amount of equivalent stuff on the Dreamcast on one hand.
>That more speaks to the fact that the Dreamcast was discontinued a year after the PS2 came out. That said, there's DC games that look better than Shenmue.
And there are PS2 launch titles that look better and more graphically advanced than almost every DC game, jaggies and all.
>Welcome to console gaming.
True.
>It's almost like it was made by a company that made Arcade games with influences from a PC Software company in the middle of the PS1's life.
And that's a bad thing. Sega should have gone 3rd party after the travesty that was the (((Shiturn))).
>Like what?
Hydro Thunder comes to mind.
>More like broken in someway.
Code Veronica, Sonic Adventure 2, Skies of Arcadia and Shenmue II look better on PS2/GC/Xbox and are not broken in any meaningful way.
>Was good for the time, and Soul Calibur isn't just a straight up port.
Power Stone was the straight-up arcade port. I recognize SoulCalibur's excellence.
The problem with this launch is the same people who fawn over it turn around and shit on the PS2's launch as being much worse when if you enjoyed the games that launched with the Dreamcast, the PS2 has games that are as good or better. The PS2 launch isn't dogshit because it lacked a sole caliber tier game. Which isn't entirely true as it had Tekken Tag and DOA2 Hardcore.
>This speaks more to the era it came out in.
FF8 came out the same day as the memecast yet has a higher production value than 99% of the library.
I see you didn't even attempt to refute the last bit. Guess we can agree on that one. Based.

[Anonymous No.6820245]

>>6820125
>Worse stick that your thumb slips off a lot.
At least it doesn't disintegrate in real time as you use it. And I've never had my thumb slip off.
>Anallog triggers are a meme.
Just because the PS2 controller didn't have them doesn't make them a meme. Hell even the Saturn had analog triggers.
> A next-gen console should have an exponentially larger memory card
In most cases though a VMU will hold more than a PS1 memory card because again it's partitioned better. On PS1 that 128KB is broken into 15 blocks. The smallest unit a game can use is 1 block, which on PS1 is ~8KB. Whether the game needs all 8KB or not it has to use it. A VMU has 128KB, but 28KB is reserved. Of the 100KB remaining it divides that into 200 Blocks. So each block is 512 Bytes. So if a game only needs 1 block to save, it will take up 1/16 the space it would take up on the PS1's Memory card.
>I do. Especially when the PS2, GC and Xbox menus are a thing.
If you are spending more time in the bios menu than you are actually playing games you're using the console wrong.
> DOA2 Hardcore vs DOA2 on Dreamcast is the prime example of this.
PS2 DOA2 looks substantially worse than the DC version. Your argument fails here.
>I had Shenmue in mind when I typed that out.
Then you're high on shit because Shenmue's textures look far better than anything on the N64.
>And the memecast sucked at that too.
For the time it was fine. Yeah the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube can push more polygons but they came out 2-3 years later.
> even the PS2 launch titles had better graphics than most memecast games especially in the shading department.
Such as?
> Fog, bloom, color correction, motion blur, shaders, etc
So things that weren't really being done until years after the Dreamcast was discontinued? That said, there are Dreamcast games that do those effects.
>Haven't yet played it. The DC games I've played have locked 30fps cutscenes.
So only Dead or Alive 2 I guess.

[Anonymous No.6820263]

>>6817871
>all that blur
the screenshot looked better

[Anonymous No.6820284]

>>6820241
>FMV means FFX
FMV is just a video file. MPEG Sofdec is a software MPEG Based codec that was used on the Saturn, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. I could literally encode that FFX Cutscene to play on the Dreamcast and it wouldn't have an issue with it.
>And there are PS2 launch titles that look better and more graphically advanced than almost every DC game, jaggies and all.
Such as?
>And that's a bad thing.
It's a bad thing that Sega's roots are in Arcade games and that Microsoft helped out with the Dreamcast that later lead to the Original Xbox?
>Code Veronica, Sonic Adventure 2, Skies of Arcadia and Shenmue II
Code Veronica looks worse, Sonic Adventure 2 has broken cutscenes, worse textures, and plays worse. Skies of Arcadia has worse sound quality and other broken aspects, and Shenmue II loses the ability to use your save from Shenmue 1 which means you lose your inventory. And that's not even getting into the missing VMU and online features.
>The Launch.
By comparison the PS2's launch was worse. The early big name PS2 games people go on about like MGS2 or FFX didn't come out until at least a year after it's launch. Tekken Tag and DOA2 aren't bad on PS2, but they didn't have the punch the Dreamcast launch had. DOA2 looked worse on PS2, and Tekken Tag while improved from the Arcade like Soul Calibur wasn't as impressive as Soul Calibur overall was a bigger leap over the arcade and was the first time the home port was better than the Arcade. You also had nothing like Sonic Adventure on PS2 at launch.
>FF8 came out the same day as the memecast yet has a higher production value than 99% of the library.
Because it had Sony pouring money into it.
>I see you didn't even attempt to refute the last bit. Guess we can agree on that one. Based.
More because I ran out of space and it wasn't worth replying to.

[Anonymous No.6820334]

>>6817542
Lol, how new is this nigger?

[Anonymous No.6820364]

>>6819495
Input lag is a meme, there was none even when I emulated SNES/GEN on PCs with less than 100MHz and 8MB of RAM in like 1997.

[fuck the memecast. 1/2? No.6820371]

>>6820245
>At least it doesn't disintegrate in real time as you use it. And I've never had my thumb slip off.
Stop lying. The N ShittyWhore had many problems but the thumbstick was not one of them.
>even the Saturn had analog triggers.
On an optional controller, and every single button on the PS2 save for Start, Select, and Analog are, wait for it, analog.
>100KB for saves
Most PS2 games were at the very least 60KB. How the fuck was the Dreamcast ever supposed to handle GTA III, whose files are 500KB?
>If you are spending more time in the bios menu than you are actually playing games you're using the console wrong.
A soulful user interface is a nice thing to have when managing your save files or changing system settings. It's a small touch but not insignificant. I always hold A when I power on my Gamecube for this very reason.
>PS2 DOA2 looks substantially worse than the DC version. Your argument fails here.
Oh my fucking God, learn how to read you fucking retarded nigger. I'm talking about DOA2 HARDCORE, the version PS2 owners actually got in America, which absolutely assrapes the base version American memecast owners got. There's no question the port of the base game rushed out for the JAPANESE PS2 launch is inferior to the DC version, but Hardcore on PS2 destroys it both graphically and content-wise.
>Shenmue's textures look far better than anything on the N64.
Pic very much related. Look at that blurry smeared dogshit. Other prime examples are the roof of the forklift, Ryo's jacket, and pretty much every wall in the game.
>Such as?
Ridge Racer V looks better than any single racing game on the Dreamcast, even with the menu flickering. Also the jaggies are almost unnoticeable on a CRT with composite (which is how you're supposed to play PS2 anyways). Tekken Tag and, yes nigger, DOA2 Hardcore look better than the vast majority of DC 3D fighters. DOA2 especially stomps in the lighting department compared to the DC. Just look how the characters are shaded in each.

[Anonymous No.6820374]

>>6820364
because you were playing on a CRT monitor.

[Anonymous No.6820376]

>>6816952
Honestly don’t really care about the n64 or Dreamcast but I always found it impressive how the DC was capable of running Half Life

[Anonymous No.6820378]

>>6816952
Yeah we get it dude. A console released in 2000 is more powerful than a console released in 1998. Where's the surprise? Ps2 lagged behind xbox and GameCube in power too.

Dreamcast is cool cuz it has soul and the low budget games are part of the appeal. It was almost like a neo geo of its time as well, with its arcade perfect naomi ports.

[Anonymous No.6820384]

>>6820371
>every single button on the PS2 save for Start, Select, and Analog are, wait for it, analog.
The shoulder buttons aren't analog and analog face buttons was a retarded idea. Playing Gran Turismo 3 is pure torture on your thumb.
>Hardcore on PS2 destroys it both graphically and content-wise.
Snoy lies.

[Anonymous No.6820390]

>>6816952
Doing Gods work OP. The Dreamcast is overrated.

[Anonymous No.6820395]

>>6817024
The Xbox had Ninja Gaiden, Morrowind, Halo, GTA.

The Dreamcast only has arcade games if you're into that shit which nobody was anymore.

[fuck the memecast. 2/3 No.6820467]

>>6820245
>>6820371
>there are Dreamcast games that do those effects.
Start dropping some names
>So only Dead or Alive 2 I guess.
Nope, I only own the superior hardcore version on PS2 but that's yet another reason to shun the DC version.
Shenmue, Sonic Adventure and Maken X isn't locked to 30fps but frequently dips down there. And those games are on the higher end of what I've seen so far graphically.
>FMV is just a video file. MPEG Sofdec is a software MPEG Based codec that was used on the Saturn, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. I could literally encode that FFX Cutscene to play on the Dreamcast and it wouldn't have an issue with it.
You're being retarded on purpose. I clearly said "pre-rendered" and linked the CGI cutscenes from FFX that don't use the actual ingame graphics. That's the kind of shit I meant to say when I used the term "FMVs", but thanks for playing the semantics game. Anyways, those kind of pre-rendered CGI cutscenes like FF10 has, there are barely any Dreamcast games I can think of that have that stuff. Sonic Adventure, Grandia II and PSO Ver 2 are all that come to mind.
You'd think fucking Shenmue, the literal fucking movie game with an up-the-ass production value, would have had a good CGI cutscene or two thrown in there, but no. Another strike against that piece of dogshit.
>Such as?
Ridge Racer V, MotoGP, Tekken Tag, DOA2 Hardcore, Armored Core 2, Gungriffon Blaze, Fantavision (yup), ESPN International Track and Field.
>Sega's roots are in Arcade games
And that is where they should have fucking stayed. That and porting their games for companies that knew how to make consoles.
>Code Veronica looks worse
Claire and the other good guy, I don't know his name, have better hair on PS2. And again the color difference from DC to PS2 is like Genesis vs SNES, respectively.
>SA2 has broken cutscenes, worse textures, and plays worse
But has a higher polycount, and the downgrades are marginal.

[Anonymous No.6820483]

>Dreamcast was out in 1998
>it is not as strong as hardware from 2000
Woah so macabre how could this happen? Then merely one year after PS2 you get the OG XBOX which is so much more powerful than the PS2 that it shits down the throat of the PS2.

[Anonymous No.6820510]

The true reason Dreamcast died outside of SEGA bankrupting is no EA FIFA games. Stone cold hard facts.

[Anonymous No.6820529]

>Gradius V
Absolute hot fucking garbage, jerked off by people who don't even like Gradius.
Il take UnderDefeat and BorderDown
Thank you.

[fuck the memecast. 3/3 No.6820535]

>>6820284
>Skies of Arcadia has worse sound quality and other broken aspects
Nah, it's pretty much just the sound quality, but what do you expect when you cram a 2-GD-rom game into a single miniDVD with barely more storage space?
>Shenmue II loses the ability to use your save from Shenmue 1 which means you lose your inventory.
Why would you be able to use a save from a different console whose games you couldn't play on the Xbox? That's just a fucking dumb complaint.
>missing VMU and online features
Sonic 2 and Skies had extra content to make up for that. Shenmue's online content is nothing you can't get from literally using the Internet yourself. And Code Veronica? >nooooo I can't see my health bar on the VMU and have to check in the status screen like every other non-DC RE, what a load of bullshit!
>The early big name PS2 games people go on about like MGS2 or FFX didn't come out until at least a year after it's launch.
SSX beat out THPS2, the second-highest reviewed game of all time, for Best Console Sports Game at the 2001 D.I.C.E. Awards.
>DOA2 looked worse on PS2
Fucking nigger.
>You also had nothing like Sonic Adventure on PS2 at launch.
No jank-ass 3D scotformer at launch? This is a bad thing how?
>Because it had Sony pouring money into it.
Maybe if Sega had put as much money into the memecast and its games it could be a truly next-gen console but no, they were too fucking poor to do so, so what fucking business did they have making home consoles? They should have gone 3rd-party immediately after the failure of the (((Shiturn))).
>More because I ran out of space and know it's true but am deflecting because I am one and am trying to stall so I don't have to admit it.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.6820660]

>>6820529
ok cumtrarian

[Anonymous No.6820667]

>>6820660
Dilate tranny, nobody who likes Gradius likes that piece of trash. Keep name dropping games you don't know shit about.

[Anonymous No.6820672]

>>6820667
I like Gradius and love Konami, and Gradius V is based. Eat a bag of dicks soiboy.
Also
>Under Defeat and Border Down
>Japan-only memecast releases after the console was discontinued
pic very much related

[Anonymous No.6820682]

>>6820672
>Konami
>Gradius V
Hahahaha, look at this tranny go post his daily breakfast, oh wait sorry I meant she(he).

[Anonymous No.6820696]

>>6820682
>Hahahaha, look at this tranny go post his daily breakfast, oh wait sorry I meant she(he).
It's your breakfast, I made it just for you (is that the right pronoun?). Now drink up.

[Anonymous No.6820720]

>>6820672
> Gradius V is based

[Anonymous No.6820742]

@6820682
@6820720
Pathetic samefag.
Also thanks for conceding with that basedjak.

[Anonymous No.6820747]

>>6820742
>Also thanks for conceding with that basedjak
Seething tranny trashure fan.

[Anonymous No.6820749]

>>6820376
>1998 PC game runs on what is essentially a 1998 PC
This is impressive how?

[Anonymous No.6820756]

>>6820529
>>6820720
>Absolute hot fucking garbage
explain your problems with the game. this should be funny.

[Anonymous No.6820761]

>>6820756
Not Gradius at all not the same team as either 1-3 or 4 its Trashure. Game feels slow and sluggish fuck that shit not arcade, but consolized trash.
It is pretty to look at and that's it, all style no substance.

[Anonymous No.6820764]

>>6820334
How new is your mom?

[Anonymous No.6820767]

>>6820761
>Not Gradius at all not the same team as either 1-3 or 4
I get that, it's different. But if you sit down and play the game for itself, what do you think? What are your problems with it?

[Anonymous No.6820774]

>>6820378
>>6820483
That's not the problem, the problem is the sois all over the Internet who claim it's more powerful or had better looking games than the PS2. There's too much of that on this board, and it's truly some Reddit/GameFAQs/SEGA-16 level faggotry.

[Anonymous No.6820802]

>>6820767
The game is just a nostalgia wank in Treasure coating, it brings nothing new to the table. It would have been acceptable enough if Gradius IV wasn't better overall and didn't already transition the series to 3D.

[Anonymous No.6820808]

>>6820774
And the internet is full of Sony sois who claim the Xbox had nothing but Halo and 0 games from other 3rd parties. What point do you want to make?

[Anonymous No.6821303]

>>6817320
>mostly
>1 out of 3 times
Go back to school you braindead seppo

[Anonymous No.6821326]

So glad we keep letting in the re/v/ugees for quality threads like this

[Anonymous No.6821354]

>>6820371
Imagine trying to claim the PS2 version of Dead or Alive 2 looks better, you disingenuous sòynigger

[Anonymous No.6821360]

>>6821354
That's crazy, how does soul calibur 2 on dreamcast compare to the ps2 version?

[Anonymous No.6821401]

>>6821360
Unfortunately it is a comparison that cannot be made. Originally Soul Calibur II was going to be on NAOMI, but SEGA jobbed and they moved it to Namco System 246 which is a PS2 hardware arcade board.
NAOMI based Soul Calibur II would have probably been better on Dreamcast, but System 246 Soul Calibur II the game we all know today would have been superior on PS2.

[Anonymous No.6821462]

>>6816952
clearly, the thread that saved /vr/

[Anonymous No.6821498]

>>6821360
kek
good one

[Anonymous No.6821507]

>>6821303
Learning maths in a wokie burger ballpit school that teaches 2+2=5 is what wrecked his brain to begin with

[Anonymous No.6821509]

>>6816952
You type like a fag and your shit's all retarded

[Anonymous No.6821596]

No hate from me.

The Dreamcast was great and for me it was the best console EVER

[Anonymous No.6821676]

>>6817397
>only mainstream nostalgic shit is good.
This is your brain on extensive need for approval.

[Anonymous No.6821795]

>>6819712
Imagine not enjoying both real hardware and emulation.
>muh input lag
I bet you are a speedrun tranny.

[Anonymous No.6822350]

>>6821354
You're the one being disingenuous you stupid fucking nigger. I've clearly stated the PS2 version I was talking about motherfucking DOA2 HARDCORE, the version American PS2 owners ACTUALLY fucking got, yet you still act like I'm comparing the memecast version to the inferior JAPANESE PS2 LAUNCH VERSION.
Here, you made me boot up DOA2 HARDCORE just to prove you wrong. Here is that exact screen in DOA2 HARDCORE, where even with the CRT you can clearly see Kasumi's sleeve has been fixed while still retaining the superior shading from the Japanese launch PS2 version.
Now eat shit you fucking disingenuous segautist. And remember, DOA2 HARDCORE, the American PS2 launch title, has better graphics than the DOA2 base game on Dreamcast.
And a better memory card icon too.

[Anonymous No.6822452]

>>6821354
>I clearly state I'm talking about DOA2 HARDCORE on PS2
>disingenuous faggots still pretend I'm talking about the Japanese PS2 launch version and continue strawmanning away
Here's that screen in DOA2 HARDCORE on the PS2. Even with the CRT, you can see Kasumi's sleeve has been fixed while the game still retains the superior shading of the Japanese PS2 launch version.
Now eat shit you disingenuous segautist.
And remember, DOA2 HARDCORE on PlayStation 2 is graphically superior to DOA2 base game on Dreamcast.
And a better memory card icon too.

[Anonymous No.6822461]

>>6822452
That is the hardcore version you inbred snòynigger, the image you posted even looks the same.

[Anonymous No.6822470]

>>6821354
>I clearly state I'm talking about DOA2 HARDCORE on PS2
>disingenuous faggots still pretend I'm talking about the Japanese PS2 launch version and continue strawmanning away
Here's that screen in DOA2 HARDCORE on the PS2. Even with the CRT, you can see Kasumi's sleeve has been fixed while the game still retains the superior shading of the Japanese PS2 launch version.
Now eat shit you disingenuous segautist.
And remember, DOA2 HARDCORE on PlayStation 2 is graphically superior to DOA2 base game on Dreamcast.
And it has a better memory card icon too.

[Anonymous No.6822483]

>>6816952
I know this is a shitpost thread but in all honesty the only flaw with the dreamcast was its controller which made camera control and FPS's really awkward to play. Other than that it was a great console with untapped potential that Sega failed to tap into due to them running out of money because they kept fucking around with stupid shit like the 32X and botching the Saturn's marketing in the West.

[Anonymous No.6822494]

>>6820761
>>6820747
Treasure still living in your head rent free i see.

[Anonymous No.6822515]

>>6822461
Here's a closer comparison for your insectoid brain, you have no excuse to be a retard now.

[Anonymous No.6822532]

>>6821676
Why would you wanna play Shining the Holy Ark before you played FF10? They're both the same length, but the latter is a much better game with much more to talk about and many more to talk about it with.

[Anonymous No.6822541]

>>6822461
Here's a closer comparison for your myopic insectoid eyes. You have no excuse to be retarded now.

[Anonymous No.6822570]

>>6822483
>I know this is a shitpost thread
Nope. Those are genuine gripes. No irony to be found here.

[Anonymous No.6822580]

>>6822570
my condolences.

[Anonymous No.6822582]

Honestly DC is fine I don’t really care but Christ do I hate the fucking PS2. What an overrated piece of shit. I’m having fanboy flashbacks now

[Anonymous No.6822592]

>>6821401
They should have put it on Chihiro hardware. The PS2 version was the worst.

[Anonymous No.6822618]

>>6820529
Based. Gradius IV was the last good Konami IP shmup. Has a perfect port on the PS2 as well.

[Anonymous No.6822627]

>>6822582
You got some explaining to do

[Anonymous No.6822659]

>>6822483
SEGAs idiocy surrounding 32X & Saturn cost them money but the whole truth is more complicated,
SEGA had a failed venture into Digital Cameras that bombed and cost them millions, combine that with shrinking profits in the arcades and bleeding money by running tons of now largely unprofitable arcades all around the world.

[Anonymous No.6822679]

>>6820529
Cringe

[Anonymous No.6822707]

Imagine being the kid with a DC lmao

[Anonymous No.6822908]

>>6820263
What blur retard?
And I have the game on real hardware, the video doesn't show it but the game also runs at a solid 60 frames

[Anonymous No.6823434]

>>6822461
>>6821354
>>6820245
>You can spot a Sega fanboy a mile off. They're the ones still waxing lyrical that the Dreamcast was the best console on the planet because Dead or Alive 2 had marginally better anti-aliasing on the DC it did on the PS2. Thankfully, they won't be around for much longer, as it's only a matter of time before the last Sega fanboy passes away of terminal disappointment in his own sorry wasted existence.

[Anonymous No.6823456]

>>6821795
Why do speedrunners live rent free in every /vr/min's head?
Is it because you'll never have as much free time as them to get as skilled as they are?
I'm not a speedrunner either. Playing on a CRT just feels better. Button presses happen right away instead of having that weird delay. It works wonders for fighting, rhythm and other genres that depend on timing.

[Anonymous No.6823662]

Just imagine wasting your mind hating consumer products.

[Anonymous No.6824061]

>>6822470
Make sure you compare it to the Japanese Dreamcast version then. That said, Hardcore still runs at a lower resolution with worse jaggies, coloring, and lighting.

[Anonymous No.6824091]

>>6820371
>Stop lying. The N ShittyWhore had many problems but the thumbstick was not one of them.
Then why is there a waiting list for Steel replacements?
>On an optional controller, and every single button on the PS2 save for Start, Select, and Analog are, wait for it, analog.
And they're fucking retarded and awful. There's a reason why Sony finally gave in and put analog triggers on the controller starting with the PS3.
>A soulful user interface is a nice thing to have when managing your save files or changing system settings.
No one gives a shit except you.
> I'm talking about DOA2 HARDCORE,
I know, and hardcore still runs at a lower resolution with worse aliasing, colors, lighting, etc.
>Pic very much related
Blurry CRT pictures are useless. Get a capture card.
>Also the jaggies are almost unnoticeable on a CRT with composite (which is how you're supposed to play PS2 anyways).
And Dreamcast is meant to be played using VGA. And it looks substantially better than the PS2 when played that way.
> DOA2 especially stomps in the lighting department compared to the DC.
No it doesn't. It's extremely muted and washed out looking. As for Tekken Tag, you can clearly see where the Backgrounds stop being 3D and becomes 2D. So I'd say Soul Calibur wins there.

[Anonymous No.6824210]

>>6820467
>Start dropping some names
Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue 1 and 2, Sonic Adventure 2, PSO, etc.
>Shenmue and Sonic Adventure
Are early games that came from the Saturn. They're capped at 30fps because of that. Sonic Adventure 2 however runs at 60fps and most of the cut scenes run at 60fps. Only a handful are capped at 30fps.
>You're being retarded on purpose
>Proceeds to repeat exactly what I said.
Ok. Again FMV is just a video file. Dreamcast can play those too. Here's a couple for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7roX0DlJMXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qagm7bvfrsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1d_jW6J5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnbDztaeUHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfZutM2Ggw
Honestly there's tons of Dreamcast games with FMVs. you're not looking hard enough.
>Shenmue again
Again AM2 was more focused on real time rendering.
>And that is where they should have fucking stayed.
Yet you're complaining about a System that's basically Arcade hardware for the home.
>That and porting their games for companies that knew how to make consoles.
Why do that when you have home hardware that's 1:1 identical with your arcade boards?
>Claire and the other good guy, I don't know his name, have better hair on PS2. And again the color difference from DC to PS2 is like Genesis vs SNES, respectively.
Stop playing in composhit and compare the same versions of the game. Code Veronica X was released on the Dreamcast in Japan.
>But has a higher polycount, and the downgrades are marginal.
Not really, in a lot of cases the DC models are still used and the higher poly models only end up being used briefly. The cutscenes are completely borked in most cases with screwed up lighting, transparencies, and textures.

[Anonymous No.6824264]

>>6820535
>Nah, it's pretty much just the sound quality,
And the picture quality due to the DC version supporting VGA. And again the VMU stuff is missing.
>That's just a fucking dumb complaint.
Not really when carrying over your inventory is a pretty nice selling point for the DC version and HD remasters.
>Sonic 2 and Skies had extra content to make up for that.
Most of the extra content is the Dreamcast's online DLC content.
>SSX
Is a crappy snowboarding game no one cares about or wants to play these days.
>This is a bad thing how?
Sonic Adventure was very well received when it came out. And the US Dreamcast version actually has significantly less bugs than the later ports.
>Maybe if Sega had put as much money into the memecast
Blame that on stolar for rushing the Dreamcast out and killing all sources of income for Sega besides the JP Saturn market for 2+ years prior to the DCs release.
>More because I ran out of space and know it's true but am deflecting because I am one and am trying to stall so I don't have to admit it
Sounds more like your seething that you can't afford Dreamcast and Saturn games because you're late to the party and now everything is expensive.

[Anonymous No.6824392]

>>6824264
>Is a crappy snowboarding game no one cares about or wants to play these days
Holy shit, kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6824467]

>>6824392
>It's only ok for me to talk shit about good classic Dreamcast games! Talking shit about good classic PS2 games is forbidden!
Well ok then.

[fuck the memecast. 1/2 No.6824512]

>>6824091
>Then why is there a waiting list for Steel replacements?
Because onions.
>No one gives a shit except you.
I'm definitely not the only one.
>I know, and hardcore still runs at a lower resolution with worse aliasing, colors, lighting, etc.
This is your brain on HRT.
>Blurry CRT pictures are useless. Get a capture card.
If it looks that dogshit on a CRT, imagine how much worse it would look on a capture card.
>And Dreamcast is meant to be played using VGA. And it looks substantially better than the PS2 when played that way.
It's clearer, and that's really about it. A 15-year old's drawing of the Mona Lisa isn't as good as the actual Mona Lisa, even if the former is crisper.
>DOA2 again
We're not gonna reach an agreement on this one.
>Tekken Tag backgrounds
HRT.
>Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue 1 and 2, Sonic Adventure 2, PSO, etc.
Ok, I'll check them out when I go to my local retro store tomorrow. Shenmue I already own obvs and it looked pretty booty still.
>Code Veronica X JP DC version
Japanese-only shit doesn't count.
>Compare the same versions
I'm comparing the versions that released in America for each system, especially since it's mostly American Dreamcast fanboys making the outrageous claims that the DC has better graphics than the PS2.
>discounting and downplaying SSX because it proves you wrong
Noose.
>SA well-received on release
But modern retrospectives are best described as mixed, if we're going by your logic that SSX should be discounted because it "is a crappy snowboarding game no one cares about or wants to play these days." [citation sorely needed]

[fuck the memecast. 2/2 No.6824532]

>Sounds more like your seething that you can't afford Dreamcast and Saturn games because you're late to the party and now everything is expensive.
I don't give a nigger's ass about cost. If a game is worth its asking price I'll gladly buy it. I have a Dreamcast and 5 games and am looking to expand but my disappointment with the console grows every day. I was expecting it to be an alternate-universe PS2 that time somehow forgot but am pissed as I learn more and more that this is not the case. Especially since its fans make it out to be so much better in every way.

Coincidentally, looking for that alternate-universe PS2 kinda console made me discover the original Xbox and its kickass library, which I love. The only console of that gen I could conceive of someone having INSTEAD of a PS2 rather than a sidepiece to it.

[Anonymous No.6824642]

>>6824467
I'm not even him ya dingus

[Anonymous No.6824679]

>>6824512
>Because onions.
Or because the N64 Analog stick is an awful design that's made of cheap plastic and wears out over time. There's a reason why no other console used that analog stick design.
>I'm definitely not the only one.
No, it's really just you. Other people play games on their consoles instead of fapping to the Bios menus.
>This is your brain on HRT.
More like you're in denial. Dead or Alive 2 Hardcore is still interlaced, while on Dreamcast it's 480p. It's running in a lower resolution, so it's going to have more jaggies. It's not as bad as the original JP release, but Dreamcast still edges it out. Lighting and colors are also better on Dreamcast. Dreamcast is much more vibrant looking while the PS2 version is more washed out and dull. Oh, and be sure to compare the Japanese Limited Edition release if you're comparing to Hardcore.
>It's clearer, and that's really about it.
It's clearer because it's a better image and a higher resolution one at that. The colors are also better as a result.
>We're not gonna reach an agreement on this one.
Yes because you're an idiot who's in denial.
>Tekken Tag backgrounds
Again denial. Just look at it for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bT6nBFXDPk

You can see the line where the floor stops being 3D and becomes a 2D Background. It's basically doing the same trick that Tekken 3 did on PS1 and that AM2's Saturn ports did.
>Japanese-only shit doesn't count.
Seethe all you want, the games still exist and count.
>I'm comparing the versions that released in America for each system
And I'm comparing like for like because that's what's actually a valid comparison. It's 2020, there's literally no barrier to Dreamcast imports.
>Don't diss SSX!
Not so much fun when bullshit arguments are thrown at things you like huh?
>But modern retrospectives are best described as mixed
Because they're talking about the ports which are buggy messes.

[Anonymous No.6824680]

>>6824532
>I have a Dreamcast and 5 games
Which explains your retarded opinions and making this thread.
>looking for that alternate-universe PS2 kinda console made me discover the original Xbox
If anything the original Xbox is more like the Dreamcast 2.0.

[Anonymous No.6824682]

op has never had sex lol

[Anonymous No.6824685]

op swore at his mom and got grounded for it, he's 38 years old

[Anonymous No.6824721]

faggot is a samefag and isn't gonna get xer (You)

[Anonymous No.6824743]

I hate this retarded console full of literally who games. The only good game it had was ported to gamecube so why even own one.

[Anonymous No.6824825]

>>6824743
Low IQ take.

[Anonymous No.6824831]

>>6816952
>60fps cutscenes
This is supposed to be a good thing?

[Anonymous No.6824979]

>>6817076
No good games aside from major 1st parties. Hate's a strong word, just gotta put tendies into place sometimes i guess.

[Anonymous No.6824994]

>>6819495
Yes, I'm going to suck at the 30fps rhythm game because my TV is bad and not because I'm bad.

[Anonymous No.6825009]

>>6824264
>SSX Is a crappy snowboarding game no one cares about or wants to play these days.
I didn't care for this debate until this. You just made yourself an enemy, segafaggot.

[fuck the memecast. 1/3? No.6825010]

>>6824679
>N64 stick
At least it grips your thumb better.
>No, it's really just you.
A simple google search will prove you wrong. Like it or not, 6th gen console bios are things people remember. And I own and play great games on all 4 of them ("but wait you've been shitting on DC all thread!" Yeah but I like SoulfulCalibur) so all things being equal the memecast has the worst, most boring menu which is yet another strike against it.
>DOA2 again
>Hardcore is worse because muh interlaced
Then shut up and play it on an SDTV, söýboy.
>compare the Japanese
But that's not how it works you globalist fucking kike. Compare the versions that actually came out in the same region. That's like downplaying a comparison between two strongmen on Earth because a Martian is stronger than both. Also remember that praising imports is a sign you've been eating too much söý.
>higher res=better picture
I'll post it again since you missed it the first time:
A 15-year old's drawing of the Mona Lisa isn't as good as the actual Mona Lisa, even if the former is crisper.
>Yes because you're an idiot who's in denial.
I'm an intellectual who's not on HRT.
>Again denial.
Nah, that's just an extremely sóý complaint. Tekken Tag looks worse than SoulCalibur because you can tell the background is 2D? You look at the background during a fucking fighting game? Yeah, let's ignore that the characters themselves are more detailed and again, are shaded better than in SoulCalibur, let's nitpick the fucking background that you can't tell is 2D unless you're fixating on it in which case you're probably getting your fucking ass kicked.
>Seethe all you want, the games still exist and count.
Not in America they don't, kike.
>It's 2020
Not retro.
>there's literally no barrier to Dreamcast imports.
Except price, and not being a söý.

[Anonymous No.6825027]

>>6820364
>>6820374
There was still lag, and lots of it. Retardanon just doesn't notice the obvious

[Anonymous No.6825082]

>>6824680
>Not so much fun when bullshit arguments are thrown at things you like huh?
Lmao I don't even like SSX, my point is you're acting like none of the PS2 launch titles were massive hits yet SSX was critically acclaimed at the time of its release.
>If anything the original Xbox is more like the Dreamcast 2.0.
It's more like a PS2 because unlike the Dreamcast it had a solid amount of next-gen action-adventures in addition to arcadelike titles.

[Anonymous No.6825110]

>>6816952
>almost every game on the console has characters that look like Final Fantasy 7 battle models with more polygons
>some of the most violently mediocre games of modern times, many have terrible Metacritic scores (half don't even have scores), yet dreamsöýs will proclaim they're the best thing since sliced bread and waste at least 100 on each one

[Anonymous No.6825125]

Take your meds

[Anonymous No.6825134]

>>6825010
>At least it grips your thumb better.
At least the Dreamcast one doesn't wear out from normal play.
> 6th gen console bios are things people remember.
You're making a mountain out of a pile of dog shit and you know it.
>Then shut up and play it on an SDTV,
Why would I do that when I can play a better version that's in 480p?
>But that's not how it works you globalist fucking kike. Compare the versions that actually came out in the same region.
It's totally how it works. Importing games is nothing these days. So let's compare the similar versions.
>A 15-year old's drawing of the Mona Lisa isn't as good as the actual Mona Lisa, even if the former is crisper.
But in this case the 15 year old's drawing of the Mona Lisa is the PS2 version of DOA2.
>I'm an intellectual who's not on HRT.
More like a retard who's only played 5 games on the console he's shitting on.
>Tekken Tag has better models! Who cares that the backgrounds are 2D!
It has better character models because the background elements are 2D. It kind of saves polygons and processing power for the developers to apply elsewhere.
>Not in America they don't, kike.
There's nothing preventing you from importing Japanese Dreamcast games into the United States. The only barrier is your own stubbornness and stupidity.
>Not retro.
Didn't say it was, simply used it to highlight that in this day and age importing Dreamcast games is easy and cheap.
>Except price
They're typically cheaper...
>>6825082
>you're acting like none of the PS2 launch titles were massive hits
That's exactly what you're doing with the Dreamcast. Enjoy a taste of your own shitty opinions.
>It's more like a PS2
If you played more than 5 Dreamcast games you'd see that it's more similar to the Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.6825143]

>>6820371
>Stop lying. The N ShittyWhore had many problems but the thumbstick was not one of them.
I am the biggest N64 retard here and even I won't defend the completely awful N64 analog stick.

[Anonymous No.6825198]

>>6825134
>no u no u no uuuuuuuuu! I don't wanna not be a söý!
>480i? Yikes! I've lost too much testosterone to be able to play a sub-HD 20-year-old game, so the version with better, more realistic lighting looks like dogshit to me!
>just start taking HRT and import bro! What's that, the PS2 version whose characters don't look like FF7 FMV characters is $10 CIB? Eww sister, jaggies and 480i! Get the Japanese Dreamcast version that's $35 plus $20 3-week shipping from Japan plus a $35 Action Replay disc so you can play foreign games on your American Dreamcast! What's that, you could have bought 10 copies of the PS2 version that still has more content and runs and looks better? Eww bro, jaggies and 480i that you don't even notice on a standard def CRT, which is too low for my söý-guzzling VGA-monitor-loving ass even though that's what most people played 20-year-old video games on and is thus the most authentic experience for a game this old!

[Anonymous No.6825203]

>If you played more than 5 Dreamcast games you'd see that it's more similar to the Dreamcast.
Oh yeah, tell me all about how the Dreamcast has Onimusha, Silent Hill 2 and 4, MGS2, GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas, Castlevania Curse of Darkness, Midnight Club 2 and 3, Black, Burnout, Need for Speed, and much much more while the PS2 doesn't, oh wait, you can't!

[Anonymous No.6825205]

>>6817076
Has a small library of shit worth playing compared to the NES, SNES, Genesis, PSX, PS2, Xbox, or PC yet fanboys act like it’s the GOAT

[Anonymous No.6825206]

>>6817679
go back reddit

[Anonymous No.6825224]

>>6825198
>480i? Yikes!
Yes. 480p is better than 480i after all. The better colors and lighting on Dreamcast is a nice plus too.
> Get the Japanese Dreamcast version that's $35 plus $20 3-week shipping from Japan plus a $35 Action Replay disc so you can play foreign games on your American Dreamcast!
You're doing it wrong then.
> PS2 version that still has more content and runs and looks better?
It doesn't look better.
> jaggies and 480i that you don't even notice on a standard def CRT,
You can definitely notice. And again why wouldn't I be using VGA with the Dreamcast? Why not compare with the Dreamcast at it's best?
> VGA-monitor-loving ass even though that's what most people played 20-year-old video games on and is thus the most authentic experience for a game this old!
This was when TVs were transitioning from standard def to higher definition stuff. So no, not everyone was playing these games on Standard Def CRTs. A lot of people were using VGA monitors for their Dreamcast, and today it's easy to hook it up to an HDTV.
>>6825203
>Oh yeah, tell me all about how the Dreamcast Versions of games that came out years after it was discontinued.
How does this refute the argument that you haven't played any Dreamcast games? Are you completely retarded and lacking in any kind of logical reasoning?

[To settle the DOA2 debate once(...) No.6825226]

Although Dead or Alive 2 was released, Tomonobu Itagaki and Team Ninja were dissatisfied with the then-current versions of the game, and continued enhancing it on both the Sega Dreamcast and PlayStation 2 on each market as they worked towards their vision of the "ultimate fighting game".
On October 25, 2000, Tecmo released a last major update called DOA2: Hardcore for the PlayStation 2, which was based on the Japanese and second update of Dead or Alive 2 for Dreamcast. This version was featuring new playable characters, new stages, extra costumes and introduced the "Gallery" option. The Hardcore release was finally the complete game Itagaki had envisioned at the time, featuring many changes compared to its predecessor:
Characters, pictures and moves were altered to appear more realistic, lessening the anime-look.
Some fighting animations were elaborated upon and some were cut.
New stages were added (8 more than the Dreamcast update)
More character outfits were added.
Survival Mode now only took place in the "Danger Zone" arena.
Overall gameplay speed was increased. The entire game, including cutscenes, now runs at a full 60 frames-per-second (In the Dreamcast version, the game ran at 60 fps, while the cutscenes ran at 30).
A special "Items Collection" feature and menu section was added to appeal to video game collectors. New artworks were added compared to the first update.
A CG Gallery section, featuring renders of the female characters, was added.
The player history files were enhanced, and now included statistics on how often the player used each character, and tag battle pairing.
Several special moves were added, but left undocumented.
English voiceovers were added in the U.S. PlayStation 2 version, in addition to the original Japanese voice overs.

[2/2 No.6825237]

The new release extended the success of Dead or Alive 2 in North America and Western Europe, and Dead or Alive became Tecmo's flagship series. Tecmo also followed up on the release of Hardcore in the USA and Europe with the release of DOA2: Hard*Core in Japan. This last version saw some minor updates, including new cutscenes, a few new costumes, and a new turbo speed option.

[Anonymous No.6825241]

>>6824743
>literally who games
use google.com it's a helpful website

[3/2 No.6825251]

>>6825226
>>6825237
This is straight from the Dead or Alive Wiki by the way. As neutral and unbiased a source as you can expect.

[Anonymous No.6825270]

>>6825226
>>6825237
>>6825251
>I can copy pasta Wikipedia.
Good for you. Doesn't change the fact that the PS2 version looks worse and runs in a lower resolution.

Most of that bonus content is superfluous. Most of the important changes (New characters, animations, new stages, graphics improvements, etc. ) were in the Dreamcast update.

[Anonymous No.6825289]

>>6825224
>better colors and lighting on Dreamcast
>a Genesis-tier saturated vibrant color palette with last-gen shading is better for a game about coomerbait knocking each other off skyscrapers and out windows and fighting to the death
>It doesn't look better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy
>This was when TVs were transitioning from standard def to higher definition stuff.
Nobody was playing Dreamcast by 2006.
>How does this refute the argument that you haven't played any Dreamcast games? Are you completely retarded and lacking in any kind of logical reasoning?
It doesn't. Instead it refutes your idiotic argument that the Xbox was closer to the Dreamcast than PS2. Seriously, Xbox isn't the Dreamcast 2 because it had memory card slots on the controller and like 5 Dreamcast sequels.
If anything, the Gamecube was the Dreamcast 2. A quirky console full of gimmicks and unique games that were a nice supplement to your PS2 or Xbox but never a replacement for them.

[Anonymous No.6825292]

>>6825270
>He proved me wrong! Quick, I need to downplay it as much as possible!

[Anonymous No.6825325]

>>6825198
>jaggies and 480i that you don't even notice on a standard def CRT
You're blind, retarded or both.

[Anonymous No.6825345]

Even ignoring that this pic uses the initial Japanese PS2 version, I just can't fathom how anyone can look at these two and say "yeah, the right has better lighting."
I mean look at this. On the PS2 Kasumi has a nice, normal skin tone whereas DC Kasumi is Trump orange. On the PS2 you can see the countours of Kasumi's collarbones and cleavage clearly, and the rest of her skin is also more realistically shaded. Meanwhile on the memecast that orange skin is almost one solid color so you have to look really closely to even make out the hint of cleavage. Kasumi's tit, hip, chest and hands all look properly illuminated on the PS2, on the Dreamcast that's missing.
Consider that Hardcore on PS2 has the model on the right with the shading of the left, and there should be no fucking question that Hardcore is superior.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to play a game on a console that doesn't suck quite as bad as the memecast: REmake on DA NINTENDO SHITCUBE.

[Anonymous No.6825359]

Even ignoring that this pic uses the initial Japanese PS2 version, I just can't fathom how anyone can look at these two and say "yeah, the right has better lighting."
I mean look at this. On the PS2 Kasumi has a nice, normal skin tone whereas DC Kasumi is Trump orange. On the PS2 you can see the countours of Kasumi's collarbones and cleavage clearly, and the rest of her skin is also more realistically shaded. Meanwhile on the memecast that orange skin is almost one solid color so you have to look really closely to even make out the hint of cleavage. Kasumi's tit, hip, chest and hands all look properly illuminated on the PS2, on the Dreamcast that's missing.
Consider that Hardcore on PS2 has the model on the right with the shading of the left, and there should be no fucking question that Hardcore is superior.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to play a game on a console that doesn't suck quite as bad as the memecast: REmake on DA NINTENDO SHITCUBE.

[Anonymous No.6825360]

>>6825289
>a Genesis-tier saturated vibrant color palette
More Virbrant is not the same as low color. The difference you're seeing is VGA vs low res Composhit with color bleeding.
>with last-gen shading is better for a game
For a fighting game yes. You want it to be crisp and clean vs a blurry mess that strains the eyes. There's a reason why the later Dead or Alive games and most other fighting games go for that crisp vibrant look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xnD3j5Uhws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_H-CER1TEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIq1nB8aQk
> Instead it refutes your idiotic argument
It refutes nothing and just makes you look like a deranged retard.
>>6825292
I never said it had the same amount of content, I said compare the later version as it's the closest to the PS2 Hardcore version. Graphically it has the same polygon model improvements as well as a few other enhancements.
>>6825345
>Kasumi Looks Trump Orange on Dreamcast!
No, she looks normal. On PS2 she looks pale. That's not lighting, that's because the PS2 version's colors are more washed out. Yeah, the PS2 has different lighting effects than they Dreamcast but they're not really better. When combined with the lower resolution it just ends up making the game look more blurry and less distinct. There's a reason they toned that back in Dead or Alive 3 and Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate on the Xbox.

[Anonymous No.6825364]

>>6825359
>shimmering and aliasing out the ass
PS2 really looks like shit. What shitty hardware design.

[Anonymous No.6825367]

>>6825364
>>6823434

[Anonymous No.6825368]

>>6825367
You can spot a Snoy from a mile away, constantly defending Sony at all costs. Even attempting to actually convince people that the PS2 doesn't have major visual flaws due to the shitty hardware design.

[Anonymous No.6825369]

>>6825360
>for a game about coomerbait knocking each other off skyscrapers and out windows and fighting to the death
Read the whole sentence. The Dreamcast colors are out of place from a thematic standpoint.

[Anonymous No.6825374]

>>6825367
It's not our fault the PS2 had the worst picture quality of the entire generation.
>>6825369
> The Dreamcast colors are out of place from a thematic standpoint.
Then why did they tone the lighting and colors back to something more in line with the Dreamcast version for DOA3 and DOA2 Ultimate on the Xbox?

[Anonymous No.6825379]

Fuck your VGA. We PS2chads get this soulful melon to look at everytime we browse our save files on our CRTs. Cope, seethe and dial 8, söýgays.

[Anonymous No.6825384]

>>6825379
>When your console's port of a game is so bad you'd rather stare at the Save Icons in the Memory Manager.
It must be hard being a diehard Sony fanboy...

[Anonymous No.6825389]

>>6825384
>Randomly capitalizing random Words
You're either Chris-chan, a disgusting mobileposter, or both.

[Anonymous No.6825486]

>>6825374
>Then why did they tone the lighting and colors back to something more in line with the Dreamcast version for DOA3 and DOA2 Ultimate on the Xbox?
I own DOA3. Can confirm it's nowhere near as terrible as memecast DOA2.

[Anonymous No.6825492]

>>6825368
Imagine not being able to push more than 3 million polygons
This post was made by PS2 gang

[Anonymous No.6825496]

>>6825360
>No, she looks normal. On PS2 she looks pale.
Ok cumtrarian
>it just ends up making the game look more blurry and less distinct.
Less distinctly awful? I agree.
>Dead or Alive 3 and Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate on the Xbox.
I can tell you're a retard who doesn't have either.

[Anonymous No.6825503]

>>6819589
>sportsball is completely unacceptable.
How new are you, tourist?

[Anonymous No.6825519]

>>6825270
>8 new stages is superfluous
>new moves and voices are superfluous
>the entire game being at 60fps is superfluous

[Anonymous No.6825875]

>>6825360
>It refutes nothing and just makes you look like a deranged retard.
>deflecting this hard
Not even him but come the fuck on dude. Xbox is objectively much closer to PS2 than it is to Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.6825920]

Damn, Shenmue looked like THAT?

[Anonymous No.6825953]

>>6817432
Nice selfie

[Anonymous No.6825957]

>>6821303
>>6821507
1 out of 3 is still "mostly" in comparison to 1 out of 100 like with every other consoles, disgusting PAL region (((yuros))), and the number should be 0. Now go back into your gas chambers.

[Anonymous No.6826134]

>>6825957
>this is literally what they teach in burger schools
I know. Scary isn't it.

[Anonymous No.6826327]

>>6825368
snoys are experts at gaslighting. They'll post a picture of the playstation version of the game clearly looking worse, then audaciously attempt to claim it looks better. Seen it in dozens of threads now. They really have no shame.

[Anonymous No.6826332]

>>6816952
>Heh take this Dreamcast faggot!

[Anonymous No.6826337]

>>6825957
Post your denim overalls

[Anonymous No.6826683]

>>6826332
Based.

[Anonymous No.6826724]

>>6817062
No tekken can ever compete with any version of soul blade/calibur

[Anonymous No.6826769]

>>6826332
what an underage post
the xbox is just the dreamcast 2, everyone knows that

[Anonymous No.6826774]

>>6824721
it still counts as a reply even if you're too scared to quote the post number, you pathetic little bitch

[Anonymous No.6827047]

that's not how it works but thanks for the (You) niggerhead

[Anonymous No.6827054]

>>6826724
t. filtered by Tekken

[Anonymous No.6827460]

>>6825957
BUT LE METRIC SYSTEM
*gets raped and stabbed by muzzie*

[Anonymous No.6827603]

>>6818512
Dreamcast is the TurboGrafx-16 of the 6th gen.
Came out earlier than everything else. A lot of games look more like a half-step between 2 gens than a full step.
But, like TG16, if it was programmed well enough, it was a proper full step ahead. It also has lots of shmups

[Anonymous No.6827982]

Why the fuck does /vr/ need "hate" threads? For that matter why is this such a recent phenomenon?

[Anonymous No.6828340]

The Dreamcast is great for many reasons, one of which is that it lives inside the heads of assharmed sony fans to this very day.

[Anonymous No.6828362]

>>6816952
Dreamcast is the best way to play doom though.

[Anonymous No.6828403]

>>6828362
H-How?!

[Anonymous No.6829040]

>>6825486
It looks better because it's running on more powerful hardware and what not. But the color and lighting style is more like Dreamcast DOA2 with the more vibrant palette, sharper visuals, less obnoxious lighting, etc.
>>6825496
>Less distinctly awful? I agree.
Less distinct overall because it's a low res blurry mess with bad lighting and a muted palette.
>I can tell you're a retard who doesn't have either.
I own DOA2 on Dreamcast and Xbox, along with DOA3 on Xbox. Don't have it on PS2 because it looks like shit.
>>6825519
> 8 new Stages that add nothing is superfluous
Yes.
>New Moves.
The New moves are in the 2nd Dreamcast revision.
>Voices
The dub is awful and cringe.
>60fps cutscenes are superfluous.
Yes, because they have no impact on the gameplay whatsoever. This is an arcade fighting game, cutscenes have no value. Most people skip them to get to the fight.
>>6825875
>Xbox is objectively much closer to PS2 than it is to Dreamcast.
How so? Considering the Xbox came about from Microsoft working with Sega on the Dreamcast with Windows CE I'd say that alone makes a bigger link between Xbox and Dreamcast than anything with the PS2.

[Anonymous No.6829095]

>>6827982
Do you really have to ask?

[Anonymous No.6829130]

>>6827982
/vr/ has become 2007 /v/. And it's glorious.

[Anonymous No.6830957]

>>6828403
They sell these homebrews on etsy and Bonanza.
https://m.bonanza.com/listings/Doom-II-2-Custom-Sega-Dreamcast-Game-Free-Shipping-/866631414?search_term_id=105584518
Dont get doom 2 its broken.
Also keyboard and mouse didnt work right.

[Anonymous No.6830973]

>>6830957

[Anonymous No.6832223]

>>6829040
>The dub is awful and cringe.
It's more soulful than the generic anime voices in the memecast version.

[Anonymous No.6832268]

>>6829040
>this much söýgay cope