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6812949 No.6812949 [Reply] [Original]

I thought it would be fun to give all the retro consoles grades, like in school! Here's some to start us off:

Gamecube:
Hardware - B+
Software - A+
Design - C

PS2
Hardware - A-
Software - A-
Design - A

Xbox
Hardware - B+
Software - B+
Design - A+

>> No.6812952

You can rate other consoles too. These are just the ones I've played.

>> No.6812953

>>6812949
PS2's hardware is better than GC's? Is this a joke?

>> No.6812961

>>6812953
I rated it better because it can run more. If you think differently, give a different grade!

>> No.6812967

>>6812952
These are the only 3 retro consoles those, for ancient gamers such as myself.

>> No.6812975

>>6812953
At least you don't have to swap discs on PS2 like a fucking last gen console

>> No.6812981

>>6812961
Run more what? Are you calling the library "hardware"? Are you legitimately retarded?

>> No.6812995

PS2
CPU - A
GPU - C
Software - A

Xbox
CPU - A
GPU - A
Software - B


Gamecube:
CPU - B
GPU - A
Software - B

>> No.6813013

>>6812949
>PS2
>Hardware - A-
>Xbox
>Hardware - B+
What the fuck is WRONG with you?
Xbox hardware speaking was the Rolls Royce of the 6th generation.

>> No.6813015

>>6812884

>> No.6813046

>>6812949
>PS2 Hardware
>A-
Nigger it was the weakest system of its competition, even had some weaknesses compared to DC
>>6812961
Nigger hardware =! Software
PS2 may win in game size and variety but it was dogshit under the hood compared to Xbox and gamecube.

>> No.6813056

>>6813013
Apparently, the child actually meant the consoles' software libraries.

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>>6812961
>I rated it better because it can run more
lol anon, you are a dumb fuck hahah

>> No.6813071

>>6813056
But then what does 'software' mean?

>> No.6813078

>>6813046
>even had some weaknesses compared to DC
>You can spot a Sega fanboy a mile off. They're the ones still waxing lyrical that the Dreamcast was the best console on the planet because Dead or Alive 2 had marginally better anti-aliasing on the DC it did on the PS2. Thankfully, they won't be around for much longer, as it's only a matter of time before the last Sega fanboy passes away of terminal disappointment in his own sorry wasted existence.
The memecast had twice the VRAM (irrelevant as demonstrated by how shitty Shenmue's textures were), better anti-aliasing and cleaner output quality but was destroyed by the PS2 in literally every single other metric.

>> No.6813121

>>6812949
>PS2
>anything higher than C for hardware

>> No.6813132

>>6812949
>I thought it would be fun to give all the retro consoles grades
Christ you must be the most vapid person in the world.

>> No.6813170

>>6812949
10/zoom
Your grade is a participation trophy

>> No.6813179

>>6813078
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLLhwCx4cM

>> No.6813186

>>6813179
lmfao I miss old youtube

>> No.6814917

>>6812949
Dreamcast:
Hardware - C+
Software - B+
Design - A+

Gamecube:
Hardware - B-
Software - A+
Design - A+

PS2
Hardware - B+
Software - A+
Design - F

Xbox
Hardware - A+
Software - A+
Design - A+

>> No.6814925

Gamecube:
Hardware - B
Software - A
Design - B

PS2
Hardware - D
Software - A
Design - D

Xbox
Hardware - B
Software - C
Design - F

>> No.6816170

>>6813179
In reality it's the exact opposite

>> No.6816195

>>6814917
>PS2 Design - F
segay detected

>> No.6816275

>>6816195
Basednygger detected

>> No.6816290

>>6816275
Based is correct. 15 to 1.

>> No.6816435

>>6813179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBGB5SErt4

>> No.6816516

>>6816195
Triggered Soncel detected.

>> No.6816561

Educated and objective statement alert:

Gamecube:
Hardware - B
Software - B
Design - B

PS2
Hardware - C
Software - A
Design - A

Xbox:
Hardware - A
Software - B
Design - C


PS: If you put PS2's hardware above Xbox or Gamecube, then don't bother posting your uneducated opinion.

>> No.6817190

bump

>> No.6817293

6th gen consoles graded by user interfaces:

Dreamcast:
Startup: A-
Main menu: B+
Menu ambience: N/A
Menu sounds: A
Memory card icons: C
Stuff to do: B

PS2:
Startup: A+
Main menu: A+
Menu ambience: A+
Menu sounds: A+
Memory card icons: A+
Stuff to do: B+

Gamecube:
Startup: D
Main menu: A-
Menu ambience: B-
Menu sounds: A
Memory card icons: C+
Stuff to do: C

Xbox:
Startup: B+
Main menu: A-
Menu ambience: B
Menu sounds: A
Memory card icons (HDD icons): B-
Stuff to do: A+

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>>6814917
>Design - F

>> No.6817890

>Gamecube:
Hardware - B-
Software - C+
Design - B+, would've been higher if nintendo didn't fuck up 480p support with proprietary cables.
>PS2
Hardware - C-
Software - A+
Design - B- for fat, C- for slim
>Xbox
Hardware - A+
Software - B-
Design - B-, mainly for leaky capacitors and fucked up 480p support for later models

>> No.6817895

>>6817890
Actually, make C- for both PS2 models, the fat had a ridiculous failure rate on par with 360

>> No.6817915

>>6812949
PS2 Hardware is not a fucking A- you gob-smacked retard, PS2's hardware was inferior to both the Gamecube and the Xbox. They had to down-grade RE4 just so it would run on the PS2.

>> No.6817923

>>6812949
>Gamecube:
>Hardware - Zoom
>Software - Zoom
>Design - Zoom
>PS2
>Hardware - Zoom
>Software - Zoom
>Design - Zoom
>Xbox
>Hardware - Zoom
>Software - Zoom
>Design - Zoom

>> No.6817928

The Shitstation 2 doesn't deserve higher than a C in anything.

>> No.6817943

PS2
Hardware - C
Software - D+
Design - D-

GC
Hardware - A
Library - A
Design A

Xbox
Hardware - B
Software - B+
Design - C+

>> No.6818006
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6818006

>Xbox
>Hardware - B+
>Software - B+
Are you retarded?

>> No.6818043

>see mods? SEE?
uninstall faggot.exe with this console war shit

It isn't funny. It's never been funny. It's never going to be funny.

Pros and cons for all of them. Except psx II. RIP that console barring use of an emulator console and dvd player and linux computer back in the day, and dreamcast was a linux too and xbox had emulators probably first so really gamecube was the only real console there, no emulators, no linux, no Internet access. The others were such gimmicks. And less fun. PSX, the shovelware. Xbox, the fps normalfest. Dreamcast, the autism.

>> No.6818069

>>6818043
>uninstall namefag.exe with this zoom zoom shit
>It zoom zoom. It's zoom been zoom. It's zoom going to be zoom.

>> No.6818087

>>6812995
PS2 CPU is trash compared to GC CPU.

>> No.6818097

>>6817923
Dilate run a

>> No.6818134

>>6812953
They have their pros and cons, it's not like the Xbox that is on a complete different league.

>> No.6818154

>>6812949
Gamecube:
Hardware - soul
Software - soul
Design - soul

PS2
Hardware - soul
Software - soul
Design - soul

Xbox
Hardware - soul
Software - soul
Design - soul

>> No.6818158

>>6818087
the vector units make up for any insufficiency against the gamecube. Cube is pathetic in terms of capability.

>> No.6818171

>>6817895
>the fat had a ridiculous failure rate on par with 360
No, it did not.

>> No.6818196

GPU:
Xbox > GC > PS2 >> DC

CPU:
Xbox >> GC ~ PS2 (EE can do some cool stuff when used at its fullest, weaker when not optimized for) >> DC

Audio:
Xbox > PS2 > GC > DC

Design:
PS2 > GC > DC > Xbox

Games:
PS2 > GC > Xbox

>> No.6818350

>>6817547
I graded it an F because the look of the PS2 looks ugly and soulless. Compare the PS2's look to the Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox, then you'll realize that those three consoles look sexy as fuck and that it has soul.

To put it another way, let's compare all four consoles to a car...

Dreamcast = Corvette
Xbox = Lamborgini
Gamecube = A purple colored Lexus Mercedes with a spoiler
PS2 = A black van

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>>6818350
If you think the Xbox looks sexy and soulful it's disingenuous as fuck to say the PS2 is the opposite. All 4 of them, even the memecast, are sexy and soulful as fuck.
Good bait though, so here's your (You).

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>>6812952
>these are just the ones I’ve played

>> No.6818494

>>6818423
Xbox has a a big X, looks futuristic and a green Xbox jewel on top. PS2 on the other hand looks too plain and blends in with any other device, it looks like a regular DVD player.

>> No.6818519

>>6818494
Which reminds me, I once confused a PS2 for a VCR when I was trying to insert my VHS tape to record gameplay.

>> No.6818854

where the fuck are you retards getting "the 485 mhz ppc processor is better than the ~295 mhz mips iii processor" from? the clock? fucking dunning kruger

>> No.6818979

>>6818854
Devs, games and homebrew. Comparing clocks between architectures is retarded, but when the GC has basically the same CPU as the Wii, multiplat games run better overall, homebrew emulators like Snes9x, Not64 and VBA/mGBA runs just fine while the PS2 has it's own SNES emulator that runs like ass, Snes9x ports that can barely reach half speed on SMW, gpSP based of all things for GBA and yet it has some issues, it's hard to deny it's not that great, or at least not terrible to develop for.

>> No.6819034

>>6818854
>where the fuck are you retards getting "the 485 mhz ppc processor is better than the ~295 mhz mips iii processor"
Because the clock speeds mean fuckall when the results speak for themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dprRrMUz6n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkKX-nU9fX4

>> No.6819932

The funny thing is that gen 6 consoles are just based versions of gen 5 consoles:

PS1 (cringe) became PS2 (based)
N64 (cringe) became Gamecube (based)
Dreamcast (cringe) became Xbox (based)

>> No.6820948

>>6818519
>i was once so retarded i pretended i did something retarded

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>>6819932
Go back.

>> No.6822210

>>6818979
yeah i can't deny that development is far better for the ppc platforms, i think that this is ultimately up to the fact that 1.) nintendos low level console security is permanently retarded and 2.) wii was a huge target and thanks to devkitppc that's made wii homebrew easy to develop. and where there's wii hax there's gc hax.
too bad MIPS autism is concentrated on n64 and SGI shit before anything.

>> No.6822229

>>6812949
how retarded can you be to rank PS2 hardware higher than Xbox?
do you even know what hardware means zoomie?

>> No.6822594

I'm trying to wrap my head around the GC having better software than the PS2. PS2 had like 10 good games for every good GC game.

>> No.6823068

>>6812953
Theoretically the ps2 gpu could produce graphics better than even late ere og xbox games, but no ones really done it

>> No.6823590

>>6823068
nah.

>> No.6823656

>>6818854
But it is vastly better.

Also if you think someone doesn't know what they're talking about just say that. The "dunning kruger" effect (which has been generally overturned btw) has no relevant meaning in this sort of situation. You want it to make you sound clever when it actually does the opposite, at least to me.

>> No.6825062

>>6823590
Yeah

>> No.6825064

>>6823656
you interpreted the meaning just fine which proves that it has relevance. you did not need to type all of that
do you want to talk about how the gekko outperforms the emotion engine? in practice they seem about as good as each other. in theory the mips core does a few billion more flops than gekko can. what are your thoughts beyond "it is vastly better"

>> No.6825184

>>6812953
This the video output on ps2 is horrible compared to the gc and xbawks. Its horrible quality picture,(blurry, noise heavy,) even with component cables.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0J3ERZ3nTk

>> No.6825281
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6825281

NES
Hardware - B
Software - A
Design - A
Only bad thing about the NES was the pins going bad after a while and the sprite limit flicker is an annoying issue in alot of games.

N64:
Hardware - B
Software - B
Design - B
Controller design sucked and the joystick design was faulty from the start having palstic rubbing on plastic like that. Also using Carts instead of cds was a terrible choice. Thing is built like a tank though. The few games it has are amazing. So B for that.

PS1
Hardware - B
Software - A
Design - B
The messy inaccurate rendering of the 3d on the ps1 is the only fault other than laser failure being common.

Gamecube:
Hardware - B
Software - A+
Design - A
Only bad thing about GC is the stupid desicion to use minidvds.

PS2
Hardware - C
Software - A+
Design - A
Disc drive/laser failure rate and shitty video quality drops the hardware down to a C.

Xbox
Hardware - A+
Software - A
Design - A+
Love the design of the og Xbox. Hdd was amazing that you didn't have to worry about memory cards and you coukd rio your cds onto it. The controllers were some of the best bith the Duke and fhe slim controller were so comfortable and felt great in your hands.

Xbox 360
Hardware - F
Software - A
Design - C
I loved the 360 but I've went through 6 of the fuckers because of RROD. Also memory units were a half baked useless obsolete idea. The faceplates were cool and so were the hdds.

Gameboy
Hardware B
Software B
Design A
Like the gameboy its just its screen is horrible.

Gameboy Color
Hardware B
Software A
Design B
Nintendo had no excuse not to backlight this one, shame. Other than that its a fantastic portable 8bit machine.

GBA
Hardware C
Software A+
Design B
So disappointing it didn't come with a backlight until much later revisions. Sound chip was godawful and the screen like the other gameboys was so hard to get a good angle on. Controls were fantastic and the game library is amazing.

Nintendo DS
Hardware A
Software A
Design A

>> No.6825631

>>6825281
Based?

>> No.6825642

>>6825281
Confirmed

>> No.6825987
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>>6812949

Sega Saturn:
Hardware - A+
Software - A+
Design - A+
Beautiful design. Best joypa... Oh hey there Bernieposter :D

Sony Playstation:
Hardware - D-
Software - D+
Design - A
Iconic design, flimsy hardware supporting texture warping, 3D polygon wobbling, and bad poly seams. Not enough ram. Home of the shovelware for the serious casual.

Dreamcast:
Hardware - A
Software - C+
Design - A
Great design, powerful hardware for the time, casual lite gaming software. Serious lack of hardcore games.

Gamecube:
Hardware - A+
Software - B
Design - A+
Aweome design, best ninty controller ever, decent enough games. This was the only time that nintendo released a relatively high spec machine. And no one bought it. They wont try that again.

PS2
Hardware - F
Software - C
Design - F
Ugliest design ever, Failing lasers on a large scale. Clogging eBay with millions of dead PS2's. Tiny texture memory. Interesting survival horror games. Shadow of colossus kinda rocked.

Xbox
Hardware - B
Software - A
Design - D
Loud, hueg, ugly. Home to some of the best games ever made like ninja gaiden black and outrun 2.

>> No.6826041

>>6825184
>$8 chink cable
lol
https://youtu.be/9V7PF7EAhkM

>> No.6826142

>>6812949
dont bother with +/- as it allows too broad of a scale. just go A, B & C (add S and D only if a parameter is particularly excellent or terrible respectively)

>> No.6826146

>>6817923
holy fucking seethe boomer

>> No.6826243

>>6812949
>Xbox hardware less than an A

Not only was it the most powerful, it had the most solid construction. Holding the Xbox controller did not feel flimsy or cheap at all.

>> No.6826271

>>6826142
where i live, the only options are;
Achieved with excellence
Achieved with merit
Achieved
Failed

>> No.6826291

>>6817923
Extremely based.

>> No.6826361

>>6826142
I have never understood this.

A linear rating scale is never going to be sufficient to describe the value and meaning of a game. Why make it even worse by limiting the amount of values you can choose? Just pick a number out of 100 or out of 10 if you have multiple categories like this and be done with it.

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>>6812949
>Gamecube:
>Software - A+

>> No.6827052

>>6825987
>söýgay hates the PS2
pottery

>> No.6827064

>>6825281
To be fair, the PS2 (Phat) does have the network adapter for HDD support. You don't really have to rely heavily on the disk drive, and can just dump your games into your HDD (much like the Xbox).
The slim version also has SMB support, allowing the PS2 to play games through the network.
The only points I would drop down for the PS2 is mainly for its weak hardware compared to the rest of the 6th gen guys.
Adam Sessler a cute

>> No.6827079

>>6812961
>It could run more

Even that's not true. The peice of shit got so many disk read errors they had to release a new model after a year. It could barely play the games that were being made for it.

Even passing that, there were only 2 controller ports, the video output was garbage, the X button on the controller wore down after a year, and the casing was so fragile it might as well have been made out of fiberglass.

>> No.6827350

>>6818069
>if you don't sheep.exe you are a newfaggot

Top retardation.

>> No.6828556

>>6827064
>Adam Sessler a cute
>being attracted to balding crackheads
Cringe.

>> No.6828579

>>6818043
>>6827350
Go be a nigger somewhere else tripcuck.

>> No.6828598

ITT: OP admits to being underage

>> No.6829771

>>6825987
>This was the only time that nintendo released a relatively high spec machine. And no one bought it. They wont try that again.
funny thing is that is literally the idea behind why they made the wii. They had been trying the high powered route since the snes, but after both the n64 and gamecube being lukewarm they decided the market for high powered consoles had to be tapped out.
>>6826243
Felt fuckin' 'murican. built big, burly, and with the assumption that it would be traveling unrestrained in the bed of a truck. Even without the break away cables, I dare you to pull that big boy off the shelf in one try.

>> No.6830629

>>6828598
I'm 19 bro. I grew up with these consoles so I associate them with school. It's my childhood.

>> No.6830940

>>6830629
these consoles came out before you were born, how the fuck is that your childhood?

>> No.6830947

>>6830940
>derp
What were the most recently released consoles through my childhood? Oh yeah...

>> No.6830972

>>6830947
i was born around when the mega drive became available in my country, but while i did play one once, it's among the earliest memories i have, and even then the 5th gen was already well on the way at that point, first console i played at home was a rented playstation
despite being born before the snes, the 4th gen is absolutely not part of my childhood

>> No.6830978

>>6830947
>What were the most recently released consoles through my childhood? Oh yeah...
the 360 came out before you even started school, so yea, definitely not the 6th gen

>> No.6832214

>>6813078
>The memecast had twice the VRAM
Sure, but the PS2 practically has more, and what little it had compensated with speeds that even the PS3 can't keep up with.

>> No.6832248

Hot takes:

PS2:
Hardware: C- (it aged very poorly. At the time maybe B- due to its asinine architecture)
Software: A+
Design: C+ (not original)

Gamecube:

Hardware: C (mini-DVD, seriously?)
Software: B (no third parties lmao)
Design: C

Xbox:

Hardware: A
Software: B
Design: D

Dreamcast, because fuck you, 6th gen is not whole without it:

Hardware: C- (no DVD and going with PowerVR over 3Dfx was a huge mistake due to japanese golf friendships over actual hardware advantages, and resulted in a lawsuit which sega could not afford)
Software: A-
Design: it should have been Black

>> No.6832395

NES:
Hardware: A (the open bus design made it very flexible and able to do lots of different things)
Software: B (here we must balance out all the AAA classics with the mountains of shitty games and dodgy arcade ports)
Design: B

Master System:
Hardware: C (no hardware sprite flipping, garbage sound, and generally a less flexible machine than the NES)
Software: C
Design: C (no composite out, pause button on the console)

Mega Drive:

Hardware: A (not particularly groundbreaking, but clean, easy to code for, and made action games a breeze)
Software: B (weak first party but scores of wonderful third party releases)
Design: B

SNES:
Hardware: B (lots of advanced features but dreadful to code on and the slowdown issue)
Software: B (god-level first party, many third party releases were a bit eh and other than Square, most major Japanese devs put out fairly underwhelming stuff)
Design: C (here we see the beginning of Nintendo's turn into kiddie/Fisher-Price design aesthetics)

>> No.6832452

PS1:
Hardware: B (early models were unreliable and it was a relatively weak, limiting machine but easy and cheap to develop for)
Software: B (as with the NES, many AAA classics and infinite shitty games)
Design: B (the PSOne looks better than the gray brick)

Saturn:
Hardware: C (the 2D mode is very nice but 3D was a joke and trying to use both CPUs at once was a skill few coders had)
Software: C if US releases, B if the Japanese library is included
Design: A (looks nice, hard to fault its appearance)

N64:
Hardware: C (just a complete clusterfuck, the only thing it did well was open world games like OOT because it could stream data out of the cartridge)
Software: C
Design: B

>> No.6832541

Atari 2600:
Hardware: B (taken in a 1970s context, it was pretty cutting edge especially in being able to generate 128 colors)
Software: C (depends on how much you feel Activision's library makes up for stuff that's lower than the lowest Euro computer shovelware)
Design: B (the one major complaint is that the joystick ports lacked ESD protection)

Intellivision:
Hardware: C (ugly, ugly, ugly graphics, weird CPU)
Software: C
Design: C

Atari 5200:
Hardware: C (controller from Hell, prone to eating its RAM)
Software: B
Design: C

Colecovision:
Hardware: B (has a habit of eating its RAM and the controller ports could stand some ESD protection)
Software: B
Design: B