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680693 No.680693 [Reply] [Original]

Maybe... maybe it's just really hard to play with the Wii controller?

>> No.680708

Kids these days don't know what it was like only getting a new game once in a while. They have a billion options at all times.

I'm sure I wouldn't have beaten Super Mario World is I had something more entertaining available at the time

>> No.680715

It's too late.

The suit-wearing know-nothings who run videogame companies who use focus groups as infallible divining rods of wisdom are already using this story to never include any sort of difficulty in new games ever again.

>> No.680734

>>680708
That's not the issue here at all though, it's that Super Mario World is easy as fuck and easier than a hell of a lot of modern games before you bring that up.

>> No.680827

SMW's not easy. Back in the day, they even ran commercials playing up the difficulty. However, compared to SMB3, I guess you could call it easy.

Also

>>680708
>Super Mario World
>not entertaining

>> No.680838

>too hard
Proof that modern "games" are little more than barely interactive movies designed to let you win.

Welcome to real gaming, kids.

>> No.680868

>>680827

Not enough gore and explosions

>> No.680875

I can only imagine how these limp dicks would react to a game that actually is hard

>> No.680883
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680883

>wayyyy too hard
>no mention of top secret zone

>> No.680889

>>680708
SMW is very easy even compared to modern games (besides triple A ones), except for the special world. You have to try to fail at beating it.

>> No.680981

>>680883

YOU
ARE
A
SUPER
PLAYER

I'll never forget that being spelled out in coins when I was younger...it was like "m-me? really? t-thanks...heh heh"

>> No.681008

What was the name of the level with the P balloons ? Tubular ?

Seriously FUCK THAT PLACE.

>> No.681025

>>681008
Yes. It wasnt that bad with a blue yoshi+cape, but you had to backtrack if you lost either.

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>>681008
>Tubular ?

Here's the easy mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZbvAHxUIU0

>> No.681036

>>681025

Yeah that is how I always did it. Could never get the timing right with the balloons.

>> No.681079

>>681030
Hard Mode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=F7bWa3OKQPE

>> No.681086

>>680827
I was listening to a friend bitch about his 6 and 8 year old nephews the other day, since they tried playing super mario world and couldn't understand the concept of HOLDING a button, as in they would just PRESS buttons and would never actually run, even though they were told that THIS IS HOW YOU RUN.

It's just incompetance by making everything act as a nanny to players and kids don't have to learn anything anymore in the most mass marketed games.
This is what it's like to learn that CALL OF DUDELY is what these current gen players consider high difficulty/high skill, complex gameplay.

>> No.681109

>>681086
Did they ever figure it out?

>> No.681127

>>681109
I guess not since it sounds like the bitching was coming as "Blowing off steam" aftermath of the whole situation.

>> No.681146

>>681086

To be fair I knew some kids back in the 90's who never used the run button in Mario, or only used it to make long leaps.

They were so fucking impressed when I breezed through every stage running. And really, for most players, it wouldn't really matter if Mario just ran at all times.

>> No.681176

Its probably those gross slippery physics in World that are throwing him off.

Such a step down from SMB3 in terms of handling.

>> No.681194

You guys don't seem to remember how you used to be as a kid. It took me a long time to beat most games I had as a kid. Sure now I can ace through them all, and by consequence, I'm good at games of the same style and better at games in general, but I've built almost 20 years of experience.

>> No.681206

>>680693
The Wii mote has around 4 buttons, the SNES has 6. L is used to move the camera around, and R is used to do that safe spin jump that breaks bricks. Given the Wii's setup, it would be difficult to play, but an SNES pad would be just fine.

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>>681206

If only Wii U owners had access to a controller with more buttons

>> No.681232

>>681206
Both L and R were used to move the camera, and the X button was used for the spin jump.

>> No.681235

>>680693
>probably didn't get to star world
>will never beat levels like awesome or tubular
>allowed to critique the game anyway
>people listen

what the fuck

>> No.681236

>>680693
...is that a screenshot of the game when this man said that? Right after the first castle?

>> No.681243

>>681232
A spinjumps actually. The other guy was getting it confused for the GBA remake though.

>> No.681246

>>681235

You don't have to be a food critic to call food bad. That's just the way it goes, and those who want money are in the business of satisfying exactly these customers.

It's a sad state of affairs, but with independent development being on the rise lately, there will still be games catered for those with more classic tastes as well. So it's not all bad.

>> No.681249

>>681246
That's like saying a burger sucks when you've only nibbled the bun.

>> No.681250

>>681213
The OP mentions Wii controller, he makes no mention of the Wii U.

>> No.681260

>>681249

Nibbling a bun takes but a few seconds. This guy might have half an hour getting to the first castle, judging from his apparent difficulty. Way more than enough for the instant gratification generation to make up their mind.

>> No.681256

>>681250
I'm pretty sure the community thing where OPs image is frome is WiiU only. Maybe I'm wrong though.

>> No.681264

Sometimes I wish these things had a "This Guy Is A Tremendous Faggot" button.

>> No.681265

>>681256
I don't care about failures. Unless it's the Saturn or the Dreamcast.

>> No.681267

>>681030
>easy mode
>Still barely enough time to get to the end

The real easy mode is holding down the center of a 3rd party D-pad while you're balloon mario, making the game freak out and zoom you to the other side of the level.

>> No.681272

>>681265
You're an idiot.

>> No.681281

>>680827
IDK, it's not exactly easy, but it's not hard by any stretch of the imagination. Only a few select levels and secret/alternate goals are difficult to achieve: star road exit from Cheese Bridge Area, Forest Fortress alternate path (where you fly over a mile of lava and Podoboos to get some 1-Ups), and Valley Fortress, plus one or two of the Special levels.

Beating the core game is a piece of cake, even without the Top Secret Area.

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>>681213
>Wii U owners

>> No.681293

>>681086
My brother is always getting frustrated because my cousins aren't playing games the way they're supposed to be played. Like intentionally dying and laughing their asses off or just messing around with mechanics.

He keeps trying to correct them even though they're having fun with the game which always ends up ruining the fun for anyone.

Your friend sounds as if he's that buzzkill kinda guy.

>> No.681307

>>681293
>Your friend sounds as if he's that buzzkill kinda guy.

Depends on if the kids are bitching that they can't run -- despite being shown how to -- or if he's pushing it on them.

>> No.681325

>>681086
You have to hold a button to sprint in CoD

>> No.681330

>>681325
You just have to tap it, actually.

>> No.681334 [DELETED] 

ITT: Morons inflate their own sense of self worth by circlejerking about how much better they are than an obvious troll.

Before the /v/ infestation set in this board would have been better than this.

>> No.681337 [DELETED] 

>>681334
Sage arguing is just as bad. Learn to hide and report.

>> No.681346 [DELETED] 

>>681334
Talk about inflating your own sense of self worth...

>> No.681351 [DELETED] 

>>681330
Really? Well you have to in Gears and the newer Halo games lol. But I'm getting off topic.

>> No.681360 [DELETED] 

>>681346
but he's right

>> No.681362 [DELETED] 

>>681337
What button do we click to purge the huge chunk of the community that are only here to pat themselves on the back about how intellectually superior they are for enjoying old games?

These threads might as well be "U SAY JUSTIN BIEBER I SAY METALLICA..."

That's you, that is. That's what you're doing. Have fun, I guess.

>> No.681369 [DELETED] 

>>681362
You're clearly no better.

>> No.681380

>>681267
What? There was 263 seconds left.

>> No.681424 [DELETED] 

>>681369
Perhaps. I'd just prefer if the RAGE THREAD bullshit stayed on /v/ where it belongs. It's pointless, self-perpetuating cancer.

There's nothing worse than listening to a bunch of infuriated, self-satisfied autists who couldn't tell a troll post if it banged on their hugbox and announced itself beat on a strawman.

Except reading my shit. Obviously.

>> No.681451

>>681325
You can actually press it once and it stays activated as long as you are pressing forward on the analog stick.

>> No.681459

>>681351
Fair enough.

>> No.681467

>>681424
But, you see, by simply posting in this thread, even with sages, you are contributing to it.

You also post on this board, and do it no service by arguing with sages. The main problem with this activity is it actually encourages troll postings knowing that it grinds gears. By using sage arguing, you are feeding their desire to rustle jimmies.

Yes, without people knowing it is an undesired behavior, it would be impossible for people to know that you feel it is undesired. However, only one post is unnecessary, not a million.

>> No.681476

You people should know that when you eventually die and shuffle off to gamer heaven you're going to have to wear print-outs of these smug posts on a board around your neck, each adorned with a single number etched forever in bright red permanent marker...

The number of times you fired up a Mario game and promptly ran in to the first goomba.

Just something to think about...

>> No.681480

>>681380
yoshi almost lost his wings

>> No.681481

>Kids these days don't know what it was like only getting a new game once in a while

Indeed. Although the nice thing about NES games and the like is that I could go to the grocery store and rent one for a dollar or less and beat it and return it and grab something else.

I probably actually only owned a handful of games for each system. All the other games I borrowed from friends and rented.

>> No.681503

>>681246
you do have to eat most of the meal though

>> No.681510

>>681503
>French fries taste like shit after a few fries
>Expects people to keep eating shit because it may get better after a few more bites.

I love old games, but you really can't force people to like things.

>> No.681518

>>681510
but hating the game because one level was too hard for you is like only eating the bad french fries and then not even trying the rest of the meal

sure you're allowed to do it but trying to critique it afterwards is fucking stupid

>> No.681527

>>681518

I am not saying I disagree in theory, but...

>SMB changing at all

>> No.681568

>>681518
I mean you do raise an interesting point. Just how much of a game do you need to play in order for someone else to say "You have enough experience playing it, so your opinion has weight"

In a game like SMB, as this poster points out:
>>681527

It barely changes level to level. Yes, new gimmicks are added here and there, but for the most part the game plays the same throughout. Is finishing the first world enough to warrant a guy to say "I did not like this"?

Does it matter?

>> No.681592

>>681246
No reason to be subjective, though.

I hate the SHIT out of green peppers, but I acknowledge that they are good vegetables, with a unique flavor that complements many dishes. I just don't like them.

I don't like Megaman Zero, but I acknowledge that it is a speed-platformer that rewards dexterity. I just don't like it because a pedophile did all of the character designs, and made Zero even more fangirlwank than the X series did.

>> No.681634

I hope Nintendo does die if they begin to cater towards this audience.

>> No.681654

>>681592
I miss his shoulder pads.

>> No.681660

>>681634
It's like you were not around for the wii.

>> No.681683

I wish i could find the image, but its a section in super metroid near the beginning where you have to ball up and set bombs to get out.
At least 6 of the users are like OMG FIX YOUR GLTICHY GAME"

I'm new to the game too, but that hurt the shit outta me

>> No.681693

>>681592
>I just don't like it because a pedophile did all of the character designs, and made Zero even more fangirlwank than the X series did.
And that's your only reason? You dislike a game because someone you don't like did something un-gameplay related on it?

>> No.681714

>>681086
Think of it this way:the introduction of the analog stick makes it hard for kids to comprehend you have to press a button away from the directional pad that effects speed. They're too used to different degrees of the analog stick determining the run speed.

>> No.681715

>>681634
They will go where the money is. Nintendo will probably be shit until the gaming fad goes away.

>> No.681725

>>681683
I wonder how many got stuck in the morph ball room.

>> No.681738

>>680981
B-but...I thought I was the Super Player ;_;

>> No.681750

>>681725
It took me a couple of minutes, because i've never played any iteration of this series, but did I fly off to miiverse and bitch at the game?

NO. I figured that shit out myself.

Died on the way to Kraid though. Not gonna lie, I'm shit at this game, but it's very fun.

>> No.681752

>>681086
But...I'm most modern games you still have to hold down a button to run/sprint

>> No.681764

>>681683
But that's the explicit point of that first area

The player is supposed to think:
"I can't go that way, let's check the other direction"
"Oh, a new item, but I can't go this way any further."
"Let's go back the other way and see if this item does anything where I got stuck before."

Boom. There's your tutorial for THE WHOLE FRANCHISE in a minute of gameplay between two rooms.

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>>681752
>But...I'm most modern games

>> No.681774

>>681764
>>677681

It's really only one guy asking if it's a glitch, and the rest are saying "Oh God I'm stuck help."

Even so, I can see how it's infuriating

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>>681752
>I'm most modern games

>> No.681821

>>681769
>>681784
Stop.

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>>681821

>> No.681853

>>681592

Of course. What I meant is that you can't expect people, especially children, to all be that reasonable with their opinions.

Did you read that EA producer interview a while back? It was horrible, dude saying things like "you have 30 seconds to impress the average modern gamer" etc. I'll try to look it up, it was a pretty terrifying read.

>> No.681870

>>680827
I'm sorry, I know this post is from hours ago, but how can you call SMW not easy? I am as casual as it gets. I'm even bad at casual games. I'm probably mildly mentally retarded, and my hand-eye coordination is terrible. I often give up after I die a couple times in almost every game. I have a huge backlog that I'll probably never get to because there's always that one part that's so hard that it completely puts me off from the game...

but SMW, that is the easiest game I've ever played. I, the biggest fucking casual you'll ever know, can beat it in under 45 minutes. It is my favorite game of all time, and even I can't deny how fucking easy it is. It's pathetically easy.

>> No.681887

>>681752
Modern FPS let you sprint by clicking the analog stick. Which is basically all kids play these days.

>> No.681910

I never thought SMW was hard. It was the first game I ever beat, actually.

Doesn't mean there weren't times when I ragequit as a kid, though. I probably would have posted the same faggot shit comment if there were a Miiverse around when I was 6 years old.

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>>681870 here
I just timed myself.

Loaded up the game when >>681887 posted, took the screenshot right before fighting bowser. Beat him at 3:44. I died twice during this playthrough, once at Donut Plains 2 because I wasn't paying attention, and again at the ghost house because I tried to go for the secret house and a ghost screwed me. Both deaths could have been preventable by me not being retarded, and I could have saved two minutes easy.

>> No.682091

> better = easier

Modern gaming.

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>>681683
>super metroid
Here you go. Get ready to laugh/cry your ass off, if you haven't seen this.

>> No.682367

>>681870
>>682068
I dunno, I haven't played it in years, but 10 year old me didn't think it was "pathetically easy". YMMV I guess.

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>>680693
>see screen shot
>think it's Earthbound
>think, "Well, can't say I blame him"
>click on image
>it's Super Mario World

He's fucking joking right? Now don't get me wrong, practically all of the original Super Mario Bros. games offer fairly difficult challenges, but they're by no means impossible

>> No.682402

>>682367
I made that game my bitch when I was 5 years old.

>> No.682423

>>682367
I think we can all agree that it's not 'WAYYYY too hard' though.

>> No.682426

>>682423
Nah, that's retarded. SMB3 or the original SMB is much more difficult.

>> No.682439

>>682426
>SMB3
Seriously, have any of these kids try to beat the first level in world 8. I bet you they can't without using the P Wing.

Even I have trouble with it.

>> No.682440

>>681283
Yeah, I know right? The Wii U is,sooooooooo bad! Lololololol umad

>> No.682461

>>682342
Congratulations, assholes, this picture is all over the internet today.

Everyone who isn't just laughing and rolling their eyes, and instead decided to get on their soapbox and bleat to everyone about how stupid cawadooty kids are and how they don't know how to think straight like US REAL GAMERS now has plenty of company to the tune of a million facebook assholes.

The amount of self-important overreacting nerds jacking themselves off over these pictures disgusts me quite frankly. It's especially ironic given how the main point of the pictures is this unnecessary push towards sharing what you're doing at any given moment all the time, overuse of social media, and then when people see these idiots they rush to social media to comment on it.

Fuck everyone.

>> No.682462

>>681334
>thinking /vr/ has changed

Shut the fuck up, I've been here since day one, the community is the same.

>> No.682478

>>682461
>the main point of the pictures is this unnecessary push towards sharing what you're doing at any given moment all the time, overuse of social media
Nope. But I agree people are acting like retards over this.

>> No.682485

>>682342
>that picture

i want to kill myself now.

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>>682461

>> No.682494

>>682489
I laughed at it too anon, I just got mad at everyone else pouring in to go beyond laughing and start this US GAMERS, MAN, US GAMERS shit

>> No.682525

>>682461
>the main point of the pictures is this unnecessary push towards sharing what you're doing at any given moment all the time, overuse of social media,

lol wut

Art thou retarded?

>> No.682574

>>682342
I saw the shitstorm yesterday here and in /v/. And it's a shame that a lot of people started bitchin' and laughing their asses off that picture instead to do some help. You know, I don't consider myself a great deal in videogames, and I tried Super Metroid for the first time some years ago and I got stuck in things like that image, in my case the style of SM wasn't my cup of tea and stopped after a while because i wasn't having fun. But that people is, at least, asking for help, which indicates some kind of determination to go forward in the game, but lolno let's circlejerk instead of being of some help and later whine because people of today only plays fps and shit like that.

>> No.682594

>>681714
except that's patently untrue. Games still have sprint buttons. CoD has one I believe, not really played a CoD game. Red Dead Redemption has one, afaik. As does Assassin's Creed.

>> No.682602

>>682574

I'm sure each of those retards got some actual help.

>> No.682606

>>682594
And none of those games require you to ever tilt your analog slightly for anything related to movement.

>> No.682638

>>682606
Assassin's Creed does to an extent. But it's next to useless, since there are no mechanics where it's relevant. You can't walk off an edge, so there's no point going slow. Walking with half-tilt and full tilt cause the same amount of noise and visibility. You move slower but there's no purpose to that. Shit like that annoys me.

>> No.682691

>>682462
Same here, but I've been away for a bit. How is it these days? Still the best board on 4chan by a country-mile?

>> No.682710

>>682691
Outsider lurking here.
This board seems pretty cool.

>> No.682771

>>682638
You could do it for, I dunno, role-playing.
Not to mention running helter-skelter through the streets attracts attention.

Or were you not talking about the first and only game?

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>>682393
>earthbound
>hard

>> No.682942

>>680693

>wii controller
>SNES game

are you fucking retarded? Is everyone in this thread retarded?

You can't use a Wii mote for this shit. As in, you need the Wii Pro controller or a wii classic controller to play it.

>> No.682967

>>682942
Doesnt it let you use the tablet if you play it a Wii U? It allowed you to use a gamecube controller with the Wii.

>> No.683027

>>682942
I was going to mention this too. And on a Wii with a classic controller SMW is fucking cake, just like it was on SNES.

>> No.683054

>>682574

I know when I see a screencap of a Miiverse post, the first thing I do is rev up my Wii U, hunt through the hundreds of other posts for an hour to find the ones that were capped, then give advice to a person who was already helped days ago.

Was that what you did?

>> No.683062

>>683054
You can access Miiverse on a PC now you know.

>> No.683117

For me the only hard parts (at least for me since I was careless enough to figure it out myself) were when I had to find the secret passages in order to go to the next level. Apart from that Super Mario World's difficulty was average.

>> No.683142

I will never understand how little kids can beat rpg games like Pokemon with ease without even knowing english or playing MMORPG just fine yet they find games like Super Mario World super hard. This generation is so fucked up.

>> No.683198

Just imagine the reaction of these kids when they try Super Contra.
"Aaaaaaah! This game sucks! It's impossible to beat even the first stage. Why my character dies with just touching the enemy? Why are there only 3 continues?"

>> No.683213

>>683142
Pokemon is extraordinarily easy to pick up and play with no knowledge of the language it's in due to having pictures of everything to guide you and a limited movepool that you can figure out the basics of by trial and error.

>> No.683268

>>683198
Contra, you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnzeXkefDo

>> No.683337

I can tell ya what happened with Super Metroid, it was designed in an age when it was common for the player to be instructed through the manual alone, and not through the game.

You pick up the morphing ball in Super Metroid, and that's it, No "double tap down to curl" tip, just you have the morphing ball.
You pick up the missiles, "Select [Missiles] and press [Fire button] to fire", no tip about using missiles to open red doors though.

Metroid Zero Mission is contrary to this though, when you grab an item it always instructs you how to use it, and what possible use it has.

Super Metroid had ways of teaching you to do things without explicitly stating them though. The infamous "Noob bridge" where you can only cross by holding the run button, or the pile of little white enemies before you get the plasma beam, is there to teach you about the piercing effect of the weapon. There are also the space pirates immune to the spazer/ice/wave beam before you grab the plasma beam, that lets you know you have a much more powerful beam.

>> No.683638

>>683268
I didn't rage at that one, because I expected him to say all the things he did.

I skipped Battletoads and watched the Mega Man 2 one because it seemed like it'd be more interesting, and I must say he redeemed himself a bit.

But I mean come on, it's Mega Man 2

>> No.683935

>>682342

The only place I got really stuck on where I had to go consult the internet for directions was the wall-jump section.