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6803937 No.6803937 [Reply] [Original]

Metroidvania? More like SOULvania.

>> No.6804041

>>6803937
For me it’s Aria

>> No.6804440

>>6803937
Tres soulful thread.

>> No.6804491

Curse Of The Moon
>unbalanced
>shitty enemy placement too often
>pain to navigate
>no shop

Harmony of Dissonance
>lack of customization and things to do
>even with le mirror castle it still feels short
>there is a shop but it sucks. Wanna buy something? Okay just make sure you enter the room at 23h59m59s with an uneven amount of money in your wallet while the moon is only a quarter. What do you mean you couldn't guess that? Dumbass.
>you can get item drops but the vast majority of them are useless

Aria of Sorrow
>finally fucking nailed it

>> No.6804537

>>6804491
This guy gets it

>> No.6804835

>>6804537
That's not getting it. This is getting it:
>CV3 = CV1 >>>>> SotN >>> who cares

>> No.6804840

>>6804835
Forgot CV4 and Bloodlines which are also both better than SotN

>> No.6804843

>>6804835
You weren’t even there.

>> No.6804847

>>6804835
Now THIS guys actually does get it for real.

>> No.6804856

>>6804840
Those are both mediocre as fuck. Neither confused curios like CV64 and LoD nor truly good games like ADx68k. Just very average action games. Forget about them.

>> No.6804871
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>>6804491
HoD
>Best looking GBA Castlevania
>Best controls
>Most interesting exploration
>Best protagonist
>Refined and interesting spell system with the best signal to noise ratio.
>Best environment

The real pleb filter right here.

>> No.6804898

>>6804871
Not to sa that the music was freakingg reat. I fully understand that most people didn't like it and not to sound elitist, but it was too highbrow for a portable horror adventure game. To an untrained ear it sounds like hot garbage, which is understandable, but it's actually really clever and well-made. Of course, you shouldn't be a classically trained musician to appreciate a fucking GBA soundtrack. Again, not to sound elitist or anything. A doctor is not elitist for knowing more about disease. As a trained musician, I'm just qualified enough to say that HoD's expressionistic soundtrack overshoots, not undershoots, its purpose. The soundtrack actually emulates modernist music that's often used for 1920s German expressionist cinema, and it does so reasonably well. Legitimately good shit.

>> No.6804907

>>6804898
I've rarely heard anyone complain about the compositions.

>> No.6804914

>>6804856
They're well above mediocre. They are also better than SotN.

>> No.6804937

>>6804907
Oh, the soundtrack is universally reviled. It's part of the common knowledge in the fandom that HoD's soundtrack is a total fuck up. In actuality, it's emulating modernist music associated with German expressionist cinema, from which Castlevania borrows quite a bit of imagery, but most people hear noise, which is understandable.

>> No.6804981

>>6804937
The quality of the audio is reviled. I don't recall any consistent disparagement of the compositions.

>> No.6804985

>>6804981
You weren’t even there.

>> No.6805006

>>6804985
I was. Most of the criticism is targeted toward the audio quality, which was the result of poor optimization. I know you want to feel special, but you aren't especially. Not to sound elitist or anything.

>> No.6805065

>>6804981
People often equate the two and just pronounce the music worst ever. Anecdotal as it is, I've never seen anyone saying "the music is really good but that sound quality mang". And the quality isn't worse than msot GBA games either. GBA just sounds like shit and people accept it.

>> No.6805074

>>6805006
The person you just responded is a different poster. They're memeposting throughout the thread: >>6804843 >>6804985 . I thought that would be painfully obvious.

>> No.6805084

>>6805074
Somehow I missed that.
>>6805065
>And the quality isn't worse than msot GBA games either.
It's a little rough compared to many. Igarashi himself mentioned it on multiple occasions. They got better at optimizing.

>> No.6805094

>>6805084
I'm sure we can all agree that Igarashi is an imbecile.

>> No.6805097
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>>6804898
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to appreciate Harmony of Dissonance's original soundtrack...

>> No.6805102

Is there a remastered version of the soundtrack on YT? Golden Sun has one.

>> No.6805126
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6805126

>>6805102
There's a nice faithful sounding rearrangement, I don't remember if it was the whole soundtrack though
https://youtu.be/pPgD8vpF9sk

>> No.6805134

>>6805097
No, IQ has nothing to do with it. You just need experience with modernist music. Your parents' finances have more to do with this than your IQ. That said, if you have experience with such music, or better yet, musical training, you will be able to appreciate how professional and inventive HoD's soundtrack actually is.

>> No.6805140

>>6805134
I agree with you but I was just doing the meme copypasta

>> No.6805143

>>6805134
Post some examples of modernist music.

>> No.6805176

>>6805143
It takes me a year to teach the basics, dude. You can start exploring it from late romantics like Ravel and Rimski-Korsakov or via actual modernists like Prokofiev and Stravinski. Or you can jump into atonal music head-on via Alban Berg, Arnold Schoenberg et al. Schoenberg's own Transfiguration Night is a nice late romantic precursor to modernist music by a composer who started off in the old era and then branched intot he new one, like Beethoven did with Classicism and Romanticism.

Transfiguration Night (precursor, late Romanticism, Decadence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqODySSxYpc

Visions Fugitives (Prokofiev -- early Modernism)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCAkEfkHKU

Rite of Spring - Sacred Dance (Stravinski - modernism)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooi7eomsTuc

String Quartet 3 (Schoenberg - full-on dodecaphony)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_0W5MIQrT0

Quartet for the End of Time (Messiaen, written and performed in a Nazi concentration camp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpBHc8px_U

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>>6805094
Perhaps, but that's irrelevant in this case. It's just a fact. It was ultimately a technical problem he wouldn't have had much to do with beyond the kind of judgment call he describes in the attached interview excerpt.

>> No.6805210

>>6805196
The end result is that the game sounds like an average GBA game, and not any worse than CotM. The music itself is very dissonant and abrasive, which is what, in my opinion, led people to complain and not the sound quality itself.

>> No.6805264

>>6805210
>not any worse than CotM
You would be mistaken. I like HoD's compositions too (some more than others), but the trade off was -- and is -- incredibly obvious. Aria of Sorrow's development was consequently fixated on avoiding needing to make that kind of sacrifice.

>> No.6806013

>>6803937
Really nice collection

>> No.6806036

>>6803937
Reminder that the Double Pack glitches up item drops in HoD.

>> No.6806045

>>6805143
Modernist music is like Schoenberg, Babbitt, Xenakis, Stockhausen, all that tuneless crap that doesn’t have any melodies or harmony and is just a completely random set of notes. It’s not even music, just noise.

>> No.6806273

>>6806036
in a good way or bad way?

>> No.6806392

>>6804871
Great game, the first one I got for my GBA SP and I was blown away. Felt like having SotN in the pocket, but with a grittier atmosphere

I still remember fondly the Marble Gallery bgm despite not having heard it in years

>> No.6806479

>>6806273
Bad way. Some rare drops are completely removed and replaced with common money bags.

>> No.6806550

I don't have anything to add but for me it's https://youtu.be/bqww2bvf51g

>> No.6806581
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>>6806045
Dodecaphony is the opposite of random. The whole point is it's extremely structured instead of relying on traditional musical language.
To laymen listening, dodecaphonic music is a type of atonal music that throws away the very tonality (everything we consider Western music, really) and imposes a rigid arbitrary set of rules to which every single tone in a work adheres. Love it or hate it, calling it random is incorrect on the most basic level.

>> No.6806837

>>6804871
Konami milked those Rondo assets to death, didn't they?

>> No.6806847

>>6803937
CaSOULvania

>> No.6806890

>>6806837
There isn't a single Rondo asset in that pic

>> No.6806948

>>6806837
They sure did, except in those screenshots there's, like, not a single one, dude.

>> No.6806950

>>6806581
Xenakis literally pioneered a compositional process that uses randomness, look it up bro it,s called stolastic music, It’s random and tuneless as fuck, completely devoid of periodic rhythm. Music is defined as melody and harmony with perioidic rhythm this is what the masses consider as music Xenakis and modernist crap is literally just noise has no structure doesn’t go anywhere doesn’t tell a story doesn’t touch the soul. I’m a classically trained musician by the way.

>> No.6806995

>>6806950
Xenakis and stochausen et al are the godless music of the 20th century, they implemented godless, structurless forms to oblivate the dominion of BACH which is the true music of God. JOHANN SENASTIAN BACH had the most divine structure and spiritual being of form with contrapuntal melody and rhythmic harmony that is said to be ‘The True Will Of God’. Xenakis and stokhausen made music structureless, formless, melodyless, harmonyless, rhythmless, and Godless, turning music into pure noise which repelled the masses and made music into a parlor game for Godless intellctuals

>> No.6806997

>>6806950
Yes, aleatorics, but modernism is characterized by rigorous structure rather than randomness. Meanwhile, "random noises" is a common complaint that people unfamiliar with atonal music raise (and you start your list with Schoenberg), which is in error.

>> No.6807016

>>6806995
Counterpoint was the basis of quite a bit of modernist music from dodecaphonists to neoclassicists (like middle Stravinski), so your shitpost actually misses the mark on closer investigation. For quite a few of them, Bach did represent the ideal, you know. Their music was in opposition with classical and romantic harmony rather than baroque counterpoint.

>> No.6807053

>>6806995
the based levels are through the roof

>> No.6807345

>>6803937
I enjoy each of them, if I had to rank them, I would say they got better with each installment.

>>6804840
CV4 is my favorite Classicvania.

>> No.6807351

>>6803937
Kid Dracula should count as a castlevanian game.

>> No.6807389

>>6807351
It is a Castlevania game. We don't talk about it too often because it's pretty damn mediocre and the GB version is even worse, is all.

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>> No.6807492

>>6807482
>DS games

not retro

>> No.6807723

>>6807492
Everything older than Fortnite is retro now.

>> No.6809251

>>6803937
More like Gimmickvanias. Aria of Sorrow is the only one that doesnt make me want to puke.

>> No.6809292

Rondovania - Your classic Belmont scotformers
Metroidvania - SOTN clones
3Dvania - PS2 games

Rondovania > Metroidvania > 3Dvania

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>>6807482

>> No.6809448

>>6807482
>Ecclesia last
>Bloodstained third
wtf

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>>6804871
looks better with the pocketron shader

>> No.6809576

>>6807345
based

>> No.6809751

>>6807482
BASED WHAT THE FUCK PERFECT PLACEMENTS

>> No.6809864

>>6803937
No, I'm pretty sure it's Metroidvania.

>> No.6809947

>>6809864
No, I'm pretty sure it's Castlevania.

>> No.6811027

>>6804871
>That atmosphere

Agreed. I recently played the GBA trilogy for the first time, and HoD was my favorite of the bunch.