Psikyo shmups

[Anonymous No.6755530]

Trying to get into shmups, currently in the ones made by psikyo, but getting absolutely destroyed by rank system.
How the hell do you handle it? Derank before places you have trouble with?

General shmup discussion welcomed

[Anonymous No.6755537]

>>6755530
The best way to get into shmups is to take all of your fun games, hobbies, etc, and just throw them in the trash. That way you have to play a shmup if you want some entertainment. Otherwise there’s no reason to even try.

[Anonymous No.6755546]

>>6755537
What game did this to you,anon?

[Anonymous No.6755573]

>>6755546
Smart people will get normal clears on poohou, some clears on the easier cave games like desusmiles and move on with their life.
To continue playing ddp over 10 years for score you have to have some form of brain bleeding.

[sagechan No.6755583]

>>6755573

[Anonymous No.6755631]

>>6755530
Try reading the patterns better and learn what to expect so you don't get dead. Psikyo shmups are very fast yet very memo-heavy, once you figure out what to do they're pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.6755682]

>>6755631
>memorize
anon, getting higher rank makes bullets faster and patterns harder to the point that you have to fucking bomb, that's why I'm asking how to deal with it.

[Anonymous No.6755685]

Psikyo does not require any rank management outside of some very specific instances. What you're getting destroyed by is the game itself, there's no easy trick that you can use to avoid learning it. Psikyo games don't have much RNG compared to other shmups, they're all about hard memorization and difficult execution. You should use savestates to learn the patterns without getting frustrated by some lightning fast dense patterns that are impossible to read on the fly. Once you do, figure out the patterns. Are they aimed at you? Figure out the correct tap dodging rhythm, or even misdirect the patterns. Are they static? Memorize an exact route. Is it a combination of the 2 and you have a hard time figuring out which parts are which? Use savestates to stay still on different parts of the screen and see which parts of the patterns change and how, and which remain the same. Work special attacks into your stage routes, helps you quick-kill troublesome enemies. The games tend to give you a lot of bombs too, so plan their use.

[Anonymous No.6755695]

>>6755573
Begone lolicon

[Anonymous No.6755696]

>>6755685
that sounds like a lot of fucking work

[Anonymous No.6755698]

>>6755530
faggot.

[Anonymous No.6755705]

>>6755696
No shit, you're trying to get good at hard games. If you just want to react dodge your way to a 1cc, then play Batsugun Special or one of the many easy modes that Psikyo ports have.

[Anonymous No.6755715]

>>6755705
again, how the fuck I am going to memorize anything when patterns and speed changes depending on the rank?

[Anonymous No.6755720]

>>6755715
Don’t be a retard about it and train 5-6 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.6755725]

>>6755720
I have a feeling that you're just plain wrong, ranking/deranking are there for a reason and can be manipulated to progress through the stages.

[Anonymous No.6755727]

>>6755725
I don’t care what you’re “feeling” you’re either committed or not you fucking fairy

[Anonymous No.6755732]

>>6755727
well I guess I'll just wait for more opinions and will be trying to figure out how the system works by myself
kick rocks, you negative ass motherfucker

[Anonymous No.6755735]

>>6755732
Why don’t you just go put a dress on and go out to the dock and wait for the ships to come in you irredeemable faggot

[Anonymous No.6755750]

>>6755735
I think you misunderstood anon, I said that I don't need your cretinic opinion and you need to fuck off

[Anonymous No.6755761]

>>6755715
The rank climbs back up very quickly after you die, the pattern density is mainly tied to how many power ups you have, that's the tricky part since sometimes dying will give you different slower patterns. The bullet speed is tied to survival time but it won't change how patterns are dodged significantly enough to fuck you over.
>>6755720
Stop shitting up the thread. Playing an hour-two a day will get you very far if you do it smart and stick to a game.

[Anonymous No.6755767]

>>6755750
And I think I told you that I don’t take orders from some limp wristed bargain bin wannabe fop

[Anonymous No.6755770]

>>6755761
>back up
So what If I don't power up or get only a few?
Bullet speed is not much of an issue as much as density most of the time.

[Anonymous No.6755774]

>>6755767
you never said anything like that you dumb fucking clown, get your shit together retard

[Anonymous No.6755778]

>>6755715
There's a rank cap so you always know what to expect, this shit ain't a Yagawa shmup where the rank will go batshit crazy if you don't manage it correctly.

[Anonymous No.6755780]

Never played them but Koyori has big breasts.

[Anonymous No.6755791]

>>6755778
I know there is a rank cap, but I want to learn how to manage it because I can't get past 1-4 in Gunbird on 1cc

[Anonymous No.6755793]

>>6755770
Then you'll be underpowered and have a harder time killing enemies, on top of having to dodge power ups as well as bullets. Nobody plays the games that way, there are some rare exceptions where you want to run into a boss to power down but they are so rare that you're lucky if it's viable once per game. Just play the games normally instead of looking for weird tricks that aren't there, or play easier modes until you feel more comfortable with dodging. If you want an easy Psikyo game and don't want to lower difficulties, Sengoku Ace is a very good choice.

[Anonymous No.6755795]

>>6755791
You can stay max power without dying on the first loop of gunbird if you just git gud. It's one of Psikyo's easier games.

[Anonymous No.6755803]

>>6755795
>one of Psikyo's easier games
that's fucked up
>>6755793
the most annoying part of me is that steam version doesn't have level select so I have to reach level or boss before starting practicing for anything

[Anonymous No.6755804]

>>6755803
Steam versions are crap and lack essential features, play it on MAME so you can practice if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.6755808]

>>6755804
I dislike emulators for that kind of stuff, feels like cheating

[Anonymous No.6755817]

>>6755808
If you "cheat" to practice and then get the 1cc on the steam port what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.6755823]

>>6755817
It's a self-imposed challenge

[Anonymous No.6755829]

>>6755530
Pick one or two shmup(s) with good replay value (scoring).
Play one or two hour(s) a day.
If ports or emulation aren't accurate consider buying a PCB.
Consider your monitor setup, is it optimal?
Never EVER join a shmup forum, discord or community. [I found them to be a waste of time].
Save replays of your progress and best runs.
Save replays of top players in your chosen shmup(s) for research.
Practice consciously with specific targets in mind. Ask yourself: "what did I learn or figure out in my last session?". Think about your route, "can I repeat this sequence consistently or is it too risky?". Think about the patterns you're seeing: are they aimed, static, rng, can you manipulate them? tl;dr play thoughtfully.

Do this for a few years and you'll be in the top 1% of shmup players, you'll have a rewarding experience that keeps on giving. You'll have big skills, big scores, and you'll be owning the shmup(s) instead of THEM owning you. You won't become a shut in loser, you won't become a 1cc collecting scrub, and you won't have mental problems like most of the players. You won't waste time on their community drama. Anyone with half a brain will figure this out but I thought I'd save you some time.

Tip: Batrider and Garegga are your friends, don't fear the rank or what you've been told.

[Anonymous No.6755832]

>>6755530
You have to understand what affects rank in your specific games and adjust accordingly. It could be a dozen variables, it really depends. Sometimes a planned suicide is necessary, sometimes manipulating your auto-fire rate or avoiding certain pickups.

[Anonymous No.6755850]

>>6755832
you don't need to suicide, at least in Gunbird, just bumping in certain enemies remove your powerups

[Anonymous No.6755864]

>>6755832
Psikyo isn't like Yagawa at all, stop spreading bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6755880]

>>6755864
I wasn't talking about Psikyo, but rank in general, if you read what I said that should be clear.

>>6755850
That's right, it's affected by your powerup pickups and you can derank by flying into enemies. But rank isn't a big deal in Gunbird, except some parts of loop 2.

[Anonymous No.6755882]

>poster count
OP started this thread to talk to himself about shmups lol

[Anonymous No.6755883]

>>6755880
You right, my bad

[Anonymous No.6755925]

>>6755882
I bet you love to wear stupid hats and nobody comes to your birthday apart from grandma and mom

[Anonymous No.6755929]

>>6755925
What the fuck kind of insult is that lmao you’re mentally ill

[Anonymous No.6755963]

>>6755925
Based
>>6755929
Seething

[Anonymous No.6755969]

>>6755925
based and mentally unstablepilled

[Anonymous No.6755975]

>>6755929
I'd rather talk to mentally ill than to underage degenerate faggots like you

[Anonymous No.6755976]

>>6755975
Yeah I bet you love being around your own kind

[Anonymous No.6755983]

I just play shmups for fun, I don’t focus on 1cc or any of that shit, just get through em and revisit them occasionally

[Anonymous No.6755985]

>>6755976
I wish you did stick to your kind or at least lurked before embarassing yourself like a dumb chimp.
Sucks that gatekeeping on 4chan is not a thing anymore

[Anonymous No.6755989]

>>6755985
>no u
You aren’t smart enough to argue with me lol

[Anonymous No.6755998]

>>6755530
>>6755725
>>6755791
yo just practice everything at max rank retard, rank management is irrelevant in psikyo games

[Anonymous No.6756000]

>>6755989
lurk more newnigger and never talk to me again.

[Anonymous No.6756004]

>>6756000
>newnigger
>lurk moar
You’re only proving my point smoothbrain

[Anonymous No.6756020]

>>6756004
why did you copy those words and then claimed you have some kind of point?
jesus crist I think I'm losing braincells by talking to subhuman trash like you.
I'm going to tell your to lurk in a last, 3rd time.
Nobody gives a fuck about you or about any dumb shit you have to say.
lurk newtrash

[Anonymous No.6756028]

>>6756020
I think I’ll stick around, getting a lot of entertainment and “play value” from this exchange.

[Anonymous No.6756031]

What are you fags even arguing about, literally nothing's being said

[Anonymous No.6756032]

>>6756031
He’s upset that I pointed out he started the thread and was talking to himself. I’m not sure why this upset him so much, unless it was true.

[Anonymous No.6756041]

>>6755829
Should've posted this in the main STG thread desu.

[Anonymous No.6756069]

>>6756041
>main thread

[Anonymous No.6756072]

>>6756069
hi OP

[Anonymous No.6756073]

>>6756069
see >>>6749478

>>6756031
he/they forgot to take their brain pills today

[Anonymous No.6756091]

>>6756073
>>6756072
oh yeah, thread wars, pseudogenerals and elitism, perfect

[Anonymous No.6756101]

>>6755829
>route
Psikyo games are weird in that regard since first 3 stages are shuffling

[Anonymous No.6756205]

>>6756101
luckily it doesn't matter for a 1-all since the early stages aren't that difficult

[Anonymous No.6756220]

>>6756205
Several times through this thread I got told that Gunbird is easy, but I doubt any of the posters played it, let alone 1cced it

[Anonymous No.6756276]

>>6756101
Besides what the other anon said of them being easy enough to not require very strict routing, you can just practice the hardest variation of the stages. You can also just use a preset order, nobody really cares

[Anonymous No.6756283]

>>6756276
>nobody really cares
This but about shmups in general

[Anonymous No.6756287]

>>6756283
Not a problem if you're not an attention whore

[Anonymous No.6756323]

>>6756276
seems like you played the game, what character did you use?
I saw a lot of Marion players at leaderboard but I don't get why she's so popular.
Is it because of the way her powered up shoot spreads? Her charged attack and bomb kinda meh

[Anonymous No.6756341]

ops, wrong thread >>6756337

[Anonymous No.6756346]

>>6756323
I've not played G1 very much compared to 2 which I've cleared but Yuan-Nang seemed like a solid choice since her charged attack cancels bullets. Depends on what exactly it is you have trouble with though

[Anonymous No.6756351]

>>6756346
I like playing Valnus because his charged shot can oneshot some enemies and he has really strong and fast bomb

[Anonymous No.6756354]

This thread is largely why I'm against posers running around and saying stupid shit. Anyway:

>>6755530
Sup. Don't worry about rank at all in Psikyo, yes it goes down when you die but you can't do anything to prevent it from getting high otherwise.
To get started try to beat the first loop of Sengoku Ace without continuing. Then you can either attempt two loops in that game or move on to a different Psikyo game.
This anon knows what's up >>6755685 except that in second loops (except for Sengoku Ace) you will have to deal with randomness.

>>6755682
You have to memorize anyway.
Perhaps my replay will help you https://www.twitch.tv/videos/607215794

>>6755715
The speed difference doesn't matter, you deal with the pattern the same way. Learn the fastest version and you can deal with the slower ones if you've died.

this is wrong btw no need to play that much >>6755720

>>6755882
Nah that's just shmup threads

[Anonymous No.6756362]

>>6756341
that thread looks better, thanks for the link

[Anonymous No.6756363]

>>6756351
Not sure how much a fast bomb will help since ideally you want to plan your bombs but if you're good at panic bombing why not

[Anonymous No.6756374]

>>6756323
Marion is popular due to autofire pointblanking for quick kills while also having a wide shot

[Anonymous No.6756383]

>>6756354
It's disappointing that rank management is worthless, oh well

[Anonymous No.6756389]

>>6755530
>shmups
This is the best thing the government ever came up with to keep autists from getting loose from their handlers and being dangerous

[Anonymous No.6756392]

>>6756363
His bomb is not only fast and good, it's also the strongest in the game, at least it looks like it.
I try to not use bombs at all but 5 stage fucks me up really badly, with bombs or without

[Anonymous No.6756394]

>>6756383
The thing is that recovery in Psikyo is very punishing so any potential rank tricks are discouraged.
Also, for score the games reward not dying throughout the game and hoarding bombs.
That being said, I have some suicide-related strategies in these games. For instance in Sengoku Ace, if I have no bombs and an extra life entering 2-6 I will suicide at the start where I can quickly regain power, that way I have two bombs to ensure the end.

[Anonymous No.6756401]

>>6756394
I don't care about score but I do try to hoard bombs for 4-6, so far not very successful

[Anonymous No.6756410]

>>6756401
Right, what I mean is that the game gives you a lot of points if you get more bombs than you can carry, and for this you need to not die of course, so it's yet another way the games discourage suicides.

[Anonymous No.6756417]

[Anonymous No.6756419]

>>6756417
>Ricky
Ricky Retardo?

[Anonymous No.6756421]

>>6756410
yeah losing bombs and life is the worst fucking feeling in this game

[Anonymous No.6756427]

>>6756421
Well, welcome to non-novice shmups. Psikyo in particular you just have to memorize the games to death and get really good at executing routes. Good thing they're very short at least.

[Anonymous No.6756432]

>>6756427
>shmup pro
Can I ask you a serious question?

[Anonymous No.6756434]

>>6756432
Go ahead. I'm not a pro though more like mid-tier (just some harder clears and above average scores)

[Anonymous No.6756437]

>>6756434
Are you obese?

[Anonymous No.6756439]

>>6756434
>>6756437
No but really, could you recommend me some nice casual shmups along the lines of UN squadron? I like playing them when I take my add meds.

[Anonymous No.6756442]

>>6756434
>harder clears
anything under 40 is entry level, let's see your scores though

[Anonymous No.6756446]

>>6756442
Can you wait until he answers me about casual shmups before you guys start screeching at eachother

[Anonymous No.6756453]

>>6756442
Not him but let's see yours first. You wouldn't be making such strong statements about game difficulty if you were a shitter yourself would you

[Anonymous No.6756456]

>>6756437
I rarely play more than 1 hour any given day, you can get decent at shmups just by playing consistently. Our scene is just filled to the brim with clueless non-players that spend all their time playing RPGs.

>>6756442
Best one I can show you, best P1 score in the western scene. Not great but above average. The game itself is decently challenging though not "40-tier" https://www.twitch.tv/videos/629380701

>>6756439
Good easy shmups? I like many as I do play them sometimes to chill. Metal Black, Gekirindan, Storm Blade, Fire Barrel, Batsugun Special Version, Rapid Hero, Prehistoric Isle 2, Twin Cobra 2...

[Anonymous No.6756457]

>>6756456
Oh also Darius Gaiden

[Anonymous No.6756458]

>>6756456
Hey thanks man, I wrote all of those down, going to check em out. Don’t normally ask since these threads get so contentious and sweaty

[Anonymous No.6756462]

>>6756456
>Our scene

[Anonymous No.6756464]

>>6756458
No problem
>these threads get so contentious and sweaty
We just have a big issue with not being able to moderate the jarpig posers that only bring useless noise

>>6756462
Alternatively, read that as "people that participate in shmup discussion spaces"

[Anonymous No.6756483]

oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.6756520]

>>6756483
aesthetic shmup with cute girl sounds > boring military shit
just as expected

[Anonymous No.6756540]

>>6756520
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiFopFSkLnQ

[Anonymous No.6757471]

>>6755530
Sounds like you're not fit for Nakamura's lightning-fast bullets compared to Duhdawnpatch, OP. Cave and Touhou would probably be better for you.

[Anonymous No.6757478]

>>>6756417
>>Ricky
>Ricky Retardo?
>>>6756434
>Are you obese?

lol, looks like someone got toasted

>>6756520
What a cool umbrella. I want to play Trigon and metal slug now.

[Anonymous No.6757582]

>>6756520
Cringe and soipilled.

[Anonymous No.6758347]

>>6755530
>ones made by psikyo,
>but getting absolutely destroyed by rank system.

Do Psikyo games even have a rank system? I think on some of them the bullets may get faster if you're fully powered up but that's it

[Anonymous No.6758351]

>>6755803
>that's fucked up
I've cleared Gunbird and I can't clear 1-4 on Gunbird 2

You've got a long way to go kiddo

[Anonymous No.6758354]

>>6756220
>but I doubt any of the posters played it, let alone 1cced it
I did, it's the easiest Psikyo shmup other than Samurai aces

I like the chinese girl with the strong melee attack

[Anonymous No.6758373]

>>6758354
Sengoku Ace is alot harder if you play as the doggo.

[Anonymous No.6758375]

>>6758347
Yes rank decrease after you die. Generally though rank management isn't relevant in Psikyo games, except for Sengoku Blade I guess.

[Anonymous No.6758381]

>>6758373
Same with Gunbird if you use the fag old man or the pedo.

[Anonymous No.6758403]

>>6758381
Old man is really good tho, probably the 3rd best shot in the game. And pedo isn't nearly as shitty as the doggo.

[Anonymous No.6758732]

>>6755882
Still better than any other thread on /vr/

[Anonymous No.6758735]

>>6758732
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN ONLY DO ONE DRIVE-BY SHITPOST PER THREAD, NO BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION ALLOWED!!!

[Anonymous No.6758867]

>>6758351
who did you use?
most of characters has weird hurtboxes, different speed and power, can't stop myself from constantly switching between them

[Anonymous No.6758978]

Drop this tranime shit and go play Strikers 1945 with the German plane.

[Anonymous No.6759515]

>>6758978
that's anime too

[Anonymous No.6759527]

is alice the best strikers pilot?

[Anonymous No.6759532]

>>6759515
Only during that scene, the rest of the game is anime-free. Whereas Pedobird has flying lolis with irritating vocals, cringe.

[Anonymous No.6759539]

strikers bros... we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.6759723]

>>6759539

[Anonymous No.6759767]

>>6759539
Damn shame that mobile game is probably the only attention they'll ever get again.

[Anonymous No.6759814]

>>6755530
Start with easier Compile ones: Blazing Lasers, Space Megaforce, MUSHA.

[Anonymous No.6759820]

>>6759814
What carries through games exactly? It's still memory/reaction anyway

[Anonymous No.6759834]

>>6759820
Compile is shit for learning but movement, panic bombing and pattern reading carry over to some extent while learning/practicing methods and analytical skills carry over perfectly. Patience increases too with time if you are new to the 1cc playstyle, which is very important.

[Anonymous No.6759840]

>>6759814
Starting with compile will bore the piss out of him and make him hate the genre. He should start with actually fun shmups like Toaplan's offerings: Hishouzame, Batsugun, Outzone.

[Anonymous No.6759852]

>>6759820
>What carries through games exactly?
so many things. things like reading patterns and enemy formations, keeping your eyes on the action instead of staring at your ships'hitbox as you dodge, being able to do precise movements, knowing when to micro and when to macro dodge.

>memory
it's actually a skill, the more you play shmups the better you become at memorizing level layouts and enemy formations. And you'll start thinking in terms of creating a route, instead of just reacting on the fly.

[Anonymous No.6759898]

>>6759820
Fun.

>>6759840
Yeah, because no one likes Blazing Lasers, MUSHA and Space Megaforce. No one raves about MUSHA's soundtrack and the longplays on youtube don't have 10s of thousands of views. Space Megaforce hasn't been raved over by snesdrunk. Blazing Lasers isn't a classic entry in the genre. No one has opinions that differ from yours. I didn't actually enjoy those games--I just pretended to like them to anger you.

[Anonymous No.6760347]

>>6759852
I played Crimzon Clover today and oh boy game is so different from Gunbird it's crazy.
Especially in terms of port quality, the training options along shits all over Psikyo

[Anonymous No.6760357]

>>6760347
That's one of the best shmups you're gonna play. Starting with it will set the bar very high.

[Anonymous No.6760404]

>>6760357

[Anonymous No.6761146]

>>6760347
OP took the tranmakupill.... sad.

[Anonymous No.6761168]

>>6761146
you mean he took the funmaku pill because ccwi is fun as fuck

[Anonymous No.6761321]

>>6761168
Based

[Anonymous No.6761427]

>>6755998
wrong, you can regain power by bumping into enemies and getting the upgrade again

[Anonymous No.6761438]

>>6755530
Gunbird Gunbird 2 Tengai or Dragon Blaze and the 2 first Strikers are usually in the highest rank of difficulty. for their 2nd loop.
First loop is easier but even then you will need some months to complete them.

If you are a novice, I would Advice to learn some basics by trying your hand on some others games. LIke Un squadron, Raiden fighter Jet or Batsugun.

[Anonymous No.6761461]

>>6761427
he didn't say you can't manipulate rank, he said it's irrelevant, just play at max rank, it's not a big deal

[Anonymous No.6761493]

>>6761438
I watched some clears today on youtube and holy shit the game sounds so different on Steam compared to the arcade versions.
Even voices are different, what the fuck

[Anonymous No.6761505]

>>6761438
only gb2 and db on your list are hard to 2-all

[Anonymous No.6761536]

>>6761505
fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6761538]

>>6761505
based tengai master, lets see your tengai 2-all

[Anonymous No.6761835]

I remembered that some anon on /v/ gave me this archive, is it good? I see Gunbird here and it has unfucked sound.
Also, do people play with dpad or joystick?

[Anonymous No.6761892]

>>6761538
pick aine and win the game. ez.

[Anonymous No.6761915]

>>6761835
keyboard

[Anonymous No.6761979]

>>6761915
eh, really? my topre is really not good for that kind of stuff I feel

[Anonymous No.6762226]

>>6761505
m8 even fucking samurai aces is hard to 2-All. It's just a brutal genre.

[Anonymous No.6763145]

>>6761835
>Also, do people play with dpad or joystick?
I used to keyboard, now I joystick. Whatever feels comfortable, man.

[Anonymous No.6765151]

>>6763145
I 'troller