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6748337 No.6748337 [Reply] [Original]

Will the super NT ever restock? Did they get hit with a cease and desist?

>> No.6748370

Probably lmfao. Rip

>> No.6748487

didn't they just announced restocks coming soon lol

>> No.6748550

The hardware patents on the SNES have expired, clones are totally legal. Analogue are masters of stock manipulation, they have you eating from their hand.

>> No.6748579

limited availability is vital to the success of products like these. if they were readily available the people who buy this overpriced shit might not impulsively click buy now the moment they become available. if given time to think about it, they might conclude it stupid to pay $250 for an emulator of a 30 year old console that is less accurate and has less features than several of the ones you can download for free.

>> No.6748586

>>6748579
yeah i'd still buy one in a heartbeat though
it just seems like a super solid product and everything ive heard from people who snagged one has been universally positive

>> No.6748610
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6748610

>anal-ogue

>> No.6748619

>>6748610
Aside from the manufactured scarcity, what's wrong with them?

>> No.6748621

>>6748619
>paying for emulation
>playing on an hdtv
>sharp pixels

>> No.6748629

>>6748621
its better than software emulation at least, and i prefer the sharper pixels over a blurry CRT. Besides it comes with a bunch of blurry filter if I wanted to make it look shitty just for gay nostalgia or whatever. But i mean, what's wrong with the actual product? Anything?

>> No.6748635

>>6748629
>But i mean, what's wrong with the actual product? Anything?
Yeah it’s gay

>> No.6748637

>>6748635
What about it is gay? I mean lets face it, playing old games or really any games at all is pretty gay. Emulating instead of playing on a piece of hardware doesn't sudden make you any less of a huge fucking faggot you know.

>> No.6748639

>>6748635
great critique.

>> No.6748692

>new SNES compatible with old carts and new TVs
>can play roms from SD
How is this a bad thing?

>> No.6748705

>>6748629
>its better than software emulation at least
is that why Byuu had to help Fagtris fix all of the bugs that it launched with? because it's better than the emulator that's been free and cycle accurate for years?

>> No.6748742

>it's just Zsnes in a $250 gray box, no I don't know what an FPGA is or overhead or much of anything really

Love these hot takes.

>> No.6748772

>>6748635
Lmfao. Niggers be wildin’. The consoles are less expensive than those SD carts you can buy, and they also can play a bunch of other game consoles too, at least the Mega SG. Plus they can actually work with CRTs with the DAC thing. Idk seems like a damn good replacement for the original console, especially since the consoles will die out someday, and these will last at least a little longer.

>> No.6748796

>>6748705
Who cares as long as they're fixed now. I'm not going to plug a less efficient device into my TV and run an OS that uses telemetry to send my every key press in just to play a game.

>> No.6748810

>noooo don't buy a nice sleek device
>you can run an emulator written by an autistic furfag that's just as good, better even, if you buy a $50 optiplex that sounds like a jet engine and smells like a mummy's asshole due to sitting in a school for 15 years and never being cleaned
>it's just as good for plugging into your TV and bsnes has a perfect GUI for controlling from your couch
>don't like bsnes? fine, spend 10 hours configuring retroarch every time you want to emulate a different console
lmao fuck PC gamers, they're all zoomers who didn't grow up with consoles and need to have discord open 24 hours a day so they don't miss any messages from their tranny friends

>> No.6748845

>>6748810
>tfw new controller
>tfw new cartridge
>tfw the eject button on the snes
emu fags will never know

>> No.6749132

>>6748586
It's because the alternative is admitting they're idiots who grossly overpaid for a $250 emulator in a box that can't even do basic things like HD mode 7, run-ahead or savestates like you get from free emulators.

>> No.6749159

>>6748845
>>6748810
cope
>>6749132
this

>> No.6749217

This dogshit gets viraled more than it gets sold LMAO

Just literally emulate bro

>> No.6749286

>>6749132
>HD mode 7
Zoomy zoom zoom cringe
>run-ahead
lmao as if you need that accuracy breaking HACK when the latency is low to begin with, you really thought you were so smart with that one didn't you fortnite? lmao string dance string dance discord. stfu child
>savestates
save scummers can die, git good you flaming faggot

>> No.6749294

>>6749217
Just go watch Paw Patrol child

>> No.6749694

>>6749132
Why would I want all that zoomer shit? Besides 250 for a console is by no means a lot of money.

>> No.6749710

I don't really get what FPGA is. Why isn't China knocking out cheap FPGA SNES clones?

>> No.6749735

Literally the Apple of FPGA systems.

Closed source, artificial scarcity, limited in use.

Is anon really such a brainlet they cant set up and configure retroarch or mister for themselves so they overpay for simplicity?

>> No.6750152

>>6748705
You realize Kev also helped fix inaccuracies in bsnes, thanks to his work on the super nt core?

>> No.6750394

>>6749735
Apple products aren't artificially scarce.

>> No.6750420

>>6748337
>Will the super NT ever restock?
Yes

>Did they get hit with a cease and desist?
No

>> No.6751280

>>6749735
I have an NT Mini, Super NT, Mega SG AND a MiSTer. I also have a PC set up with RetroArch. I also have original consoles, although they're now boxed up in the attic.

>>6748705
>because it's better than the emulator that's been free and cycle accurate for years?
Better? Probably on par. But at least it doesn't require ridiculous CPU overhead to reach the same level of accuracy.

>> No.6751351

>>6751280
>overhead

This is the operative word people need to understand, it's not a matter of emulators being just as accurate, but what you play them on. The major advantage and selling point of FPGA systems is that they don't have to go through some kind of high-level OS structure, they are as fast and direct as the hardware they are configured as, some even faster because they don't have to go through an internal DAC process before sending the signal from the device, they're straight digital-to-digital.

If you REALLY don't care about latency and frame pacing then a cycle accurate emulator is a no brainer. But if you want as close as possible of a feel and response short of going original hardware and CRT, a FPGA solution is the only only option at this time.

So please understand that this isn't about being better than anyone and that people just have different standards in what they want to achieve. Spending $250 or not is solely a question of if it's worth it to YOU.

>> No.6751452

>>6751280
Gee MiSTer, you sure wasted your money. You should just only emulate on PC.

>> No.6751615

>>6751452
Why would I play classic games on a zoomer fortnite machine?

>> No.6751619

>PC
Go download a Steam game you faggot nerd.

>> No.6751709

>>6751615
>Fortnite
I don't play that gay ass game. Anyways you can always use a Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn or SNES USB controller to play classic games with on a PC.

>>6751619
>Steam
Is for faggots. Pirating PC games is better.

>> No.6751724
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6751724

>laugh my ass off when this came out was 200 dollars
>because covid people are now selling regular snes consoles for over 75 dollars
well shit

>> No.6751743

>>6751709
Not playing modern games at all especially not PC ones is better.

>> No.6751745

>>6751724
I would never pay $200 for a clone console. That's why I emulate.

>> No.6751772

>>6751724
after covid, US model snes shot up in price, but snes jr didn't
weird

>> No.6751792

>>6751772

people hate the junior model because the lack of front led, meaning if its broken you have no way to know if the cables dont work, the game doesnt, or the console doesnt. Also fixing the power jack in this model is a pain in the ass since theres no replacement

>> No.6751880

>>6751792
dat 1chip doe

>> No.6752129

>>6751745
I have enough original hardware and emu-capable devices to bury a room full of people but I'd probably still pick one of these up as a convenient way to play real carts on a single compact box on modern displays with minimal display lag and controller lag (with genuine controllers). I won't always have crts with me wherever I go.

>> No.6752132

>>6748579
You don't have to lie because you can't afford one.
For the 10,000th time. If you were in a room with two tvs and two controllers and two of the same game, but one was a SNES the other a FPGA SNES, you would never know the difference. Stop spouting the retarded shit, the rest of your comment and replies get ignored. Keep quiet and don't bother replying.

>> No.6752140

>>6751452
Poor
>>6751709
Poor double confirmed

>> No.6752146

>>6751792
Wrong. They hate it because RGB was not soldered 25 years ago and has to be soldered together yourself. SNES original have RGB pre-soldered.

>> No.6752168

>>6752146
But if you do solder it you get better results over RGB than the original.

>> No.6752194

>>6748810
thank you

>> No.6752209
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6752209

>bring a girl back to your place
>she sees a gaymen PC connected to your TV
I thought we were going to watch netflix anon, what is this?

>> No.6753341

>Is Analogue evil?
https://www.inputmag.com/gaming/is-analogue-evil

Thoughts?

>> No.6753357

>>6748550
Yep. Why I haven't bought into the hype.
People buy plenty of them and sell them for $1500 etc

>> No.6753390

>>6753341
reads like it's written by an upset cuck,

>> No.6753398

>>6753341
I absolutely guarantee the author missed out on the Pocket pre-order which is fuelling his burning need to write this hit piece, otherwise why wait until now to publish it? Sour grapes, pure and simple. If he'd got his order in he'd be as giddy as a schoolgirl in anticipation. You're generally far more accomodating of a company's failings until it directly affects you. The people with bad things to say about Analogue have been a very small minority until the Pocket pre-order debacle. They're still a small niche company at the end of the day, they sold somewhere in the region of 10-15k orders of the Pocket which is probably as many as they can accomodate for an initial run.

>> No.6753428

>>6752129
I have original hardware too. Hell I even have HD cables for some of them. I also have 4 classic minis of consoles that go with my original consoles. I just refuse to waste money on clone consoles when I already have a PC that's more than capable of emulating these consoles.

>>6752140
Nope. I just refuse to buy glorified emulator boxes or clone consoles. I also refuse to make that ugly fatass Gaybe Newell any richer than he already is.

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>>6752146
The Jr and 1chips (same chipset) have much better RGB picture quality than the 2 chip SNES. There's a mod to sharpen the 2 chip SNES by Torapu but it has some downsides.

>> No.6753604

>>6751772
That's because the people that came flooding into the market to buy are more casual if they're getting in this late. Casuals think of the toaster one, not the Jr released later.

>> No.6753647

>>6748337
>Want to buy one
>Don't want to support Analogue
Feels bad man

>> No.6753747

>>6753428
I hear you, but like I said modern clone hardware just sits in another realm from either original hardware (even with video post-processing) or emulation-based hardware, especially the latter. It's the functional equivalent of original hardware with no need for DAC-ADC, with any necessary color manipulation or scaling taking place directly on the metal.

Emulation is even further abstracted from the purpose of clone hardware. Running physical carts is 100% of the purpose of this particular clone hardware; the details are just in implementation.

>> No.6755156

>>6748337
Super Spc player was cool.

>> No.6756038

1. runahead is better than this trash on retroarch.

2. retroarch has next frame response already

2. this trash doesnt output beyond 1080p. literally worthless trash for modern tvs.

3. has shit filters.

4. is made literally by the apple of retro gaming. a trash company with artificial scarcity drops.

id encourage people even to buy a mister if you absolutely must buy some fpga soi crao over this dogshit.

>> No.6756130

>>6756038
>artificial scarcity
>>6750394

Here, I'll do your homework for you
https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+artifical+scarcity

All old clickbait articles.

>> No.6756160

>not using the real deal

>> No.6756258

>>6748337
These always seem like the worst of both worlds
>Not on the original system
>Still have to use actual cartridges
I know they can be jail broken but that's not what they intended.
The only one of these I think I'd be genuinely interested in is if they somehow made an N64 one that not only used FPGA for completly accurate video and gameplay but also somehow upscaled the internal resolution to at least 1080p

>> No.6756578

>>6756258
>I know they can be jail broken but that's not what they intended.
Clearly it is though, it just allows them to say it can't play ROMs, and thus they aren't condoning piracy.

The main problem I find with Analogue is their lack of an all in one console. I'd buy a Mega Sg if it could also load the Super NT, NT Mini, and Pocket cores. As it is currently, I'd be better off just buying a MISTer.

>> No.6756584

>>6748337
Mister fpga is better

>> No.6756587

>>6756258
The worst of both worlds would be emulation, these are supposed to replicate hardware exactly. But of course now you have the MisterFPGA that can do multiple systems and use roms.

>> No.6756590

>>6756258
The only one of their products I've been interested in is the Pocket and that's mostly because if nothing else they make well made devices and the current market for portable emulation devices is trash. The screen on the pocket is fantastic, I like the aesthetic and the face it uses the same FPGA as their consoles leaves me hope we'll see SNES and Genesis cores on it as well (which will also look super nice on that screen)

>> No.6756659

>>6756584
If you don't mind the usb controller input lag putting it really on the same level as emulators. It has better frame pacing though than emu's.

>> No.6756721

>>6756659
Usb doesn't have as much lag as an emulator and the Mister has lag free options to connect a controller anyway.
Are you a shill?

>> No.6756737

>>6756721
Emulation of SNES doesn't incur any additional input lag at all. It's 1 frame for the majority of the library, same as the real hardware.

>> No.6756756

I want a n64 and ps1 fpga so bad bros

>> No.6756759

>>6756756
Why? FPGA emulation has no perks over software.

>> No.6756778

>>6756721
There's been a well documented issue with controller lag over USB with the Mister.

I'm not a shill, why would I shill for a product no one can buy anyway?

>> No.6756801

Does anyone here actually care about cycle-accurate emulation?

Like say you want to pick up and play a bit of megaman X...are you going to care it dropped 1 frame in chill penguin? Or that the game is playing 0.1hz faster than normal?

Whats the big deal? Its neat from a technical standpoint, but I dont understand why so many people care about it

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>>6748619
Imagine paying $500 for the FPGA meme instead of using open source emulators that are free and have infinite possibilities for plug-ins.
>B-b-but I want to play my cartridges
Then play on original hardware, which is still significantly cheaper than FPGA memes.
>B-b-but muh FPGA muh HDTV muh sharp pixels
Then buy a cheap ass retron lmfao. Don't waste your money on anal-ogue shit.

>> No.6756818
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>>6756801
Because at that point you're no longer playing the original game, you're playing some emulator's buggy interpretation of it. No one will notice the dropped frame, but what about shit like this that blocks the entire screen when it's supposed to be transparent? Or the softlock on Speedy Gonzalez, or this shit sound rendering?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSoPAq81EI8

>> No.6756823

>>6756818
nice cherrypicks bro

>> No.6756837

>>6756778
There's also well documented list of low lag usb controller options. Not all controllers are created equal.

>> No.6756842

>>6756818
fair enough, but since snes emulation has been around forever, theres patches for certain emulators. Similarly, theres patches for certain roms on certain flash carts for the exact same reason

>> No.6756887

>>6756801
It feels way different and can make a difference in if you'll end up liking a game or not, or having any fun at all.

I've always know and felt the difference in emulation, but when I A-B-C tested a SNES, Super NT and Bsnes side by side I was surprised by HOW different it was.

The SNES nd Super NT are very close but you can feel a different "flow", biggest surprise is that the NT felt a little bit more responsive (!), but that might be because it doesn't do a DAC stage before hitting the Tv and the SNES went through a OSSC, a zero-lag device, but still another step of potential interference.

Bsnes felt like playing a SNES port on the Genesis, and I've taken every step to try and minimize lag, but it just feels like a completely different experience. But the problem here isn't the emulator it self, it's that it has to rely on a high-level OS full of constantly buffering processes that you have little to no control over doing all kinds of things in between the ROM file and you on the other end. And it's here a FPGA has the definite advantage, it operates like a low-level device just like the original SNES.

Some people say Cola and Pepsi taste exactly the same and some people stop eating hotdogs after seeing how they're made, I could go on and on with analogies like these, but if your fine with what you have then you're fine with what you have. Even if you don't actually care or want to understand, some do, and the exercise of convincing them you don't is rather pointless and bordering stupid if you think about it. So just enjoy what you enjoy, if it's fine it's fine, simple as that.

>> No.6757225

>>6756887
Don't badmouth bsnes versus FPGA implementations else byuu will cry and write a blog post

>> No.6757312

>>6757225
Byuu is very aware of this issue, and it's very little he can do about so it's not a knock on the excellent emulators he's made. It's a matter of if you're fine with these issues or if you're more of a "retrophile".

Byuu posted an article on this himself (https://byuu.org/articles/emulator-latency)) but it's not up any more and has been excluded (?!) from Internet Archive for some reason.

>> No.6757376

>>6757312
http://archive.is/ruFVq

>> No.6757774

>>6757312
by** is nothing if not a control freak over his self-presentation:

>[...]I specifically asked archive.org to exclude my domain and Twitter accounts. I also blackholed archive.org and archive.is from accessing my domain.

>> No.6757805

>>6756887
>>6757225
>FPGA
Faggotry Pedophilia Gay Activator?

>> No.6757829

>>6751772
>>6753604
This is my exact opposite experience. Everywhere I've went the paste few weeks, SNES is $80-90, and SNES Jr is $110-120. Truly suffering.

>> No.6757862

>>6757774
Wow, didn't know he was that particular about his public appearances, strange for someone who's anonymous on the internet in the first place.

Anyway, I found another archive that host the article. It's a good read if you're into using emulators, so I don't know why he blackholed it so hard. If you're ego-searching and reading this Byuu, please re-post it or make a new one to your standards, it's really helpful.

https://archive.fo/ruFVq

>> No.6757998

>>6757805
Fantastic Penis Greatly Amazes

>> No.6758012

>>6757774
>>6757862
It's not surprising considering his first draft FPGA post that he published was extremely embarassing.

>> No.6758024

These things are so shitty. Play on original hardware and a CRT. If you want to play on an HDTV, you aren't getting anything even remotely accurate to begin with so you might as well just use any other cheaper and more fully featured solution to emulate it.

>> No.6758610

>>6748579
I tried to preorder the pocket. Got break at work 15 minutes after the start and missed it. Pissed me off enough that I won't buy one now.

>> No.6758626

>>6758610
I've got an open pre-order for some if you want on ebay. I'll ship within 2 days of receiving them from analogue.

>> No.6760279

Everyone suggesting emulation just doesn't get it. Simple as that.

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6760293

>>6752132
>noooooooo my fancy emulation boxxxxxxx

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>>6748337
Why is the clear one discontinued? It looks awesome. Is clear plastic hard to make?

>> No.6764014

>>6760279
FPGA is hardware emulation

FPGA hardware emulation has the potential to be better than software emulation but that all depends how good the system is implemented in the FPGA. Alot of people act just like just because it's an FPGA It's better out of the box and that's not true

Look at all the updates to the fpga cores on analogue systems that have been pushed out

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6764085

>>6762246
Because the actual 'clear' Super NT is actually frosted plastic that in no way lives up to the preview renders.

>> No.6764112

>>6764085
Now I want it even more.

>> No.6764140

>Not playing on original hardware with a CRT
You have zero excuse. The Super NT runs at 60Hz, whereas the SNES is slightly out of sync with 60Hz, meaning that there is a perceptible difference in how games run on each over time.

Also, don't give me that bullshit about you not having space for a CRT, CRTs come in so many sizes that you're just making excuses.

>> No.6764287

>>6764140
It works out as being either one second ahead (or behind, I can't remember if it runs slightly faster or slower than the SNES rate) over the course of ten minutes equal run time. It's imperceptible in real time but obviously it's no good for speed runs.

There is of course the Analogue DAC which allows it to run at the exact same clock speed as a real SNES when used with a CRT.

>> No.6764338

>>6756887
100% this. Emulators used to be more responsive, and it's not the emulator's fault (mostly). ZSNES ran on DOS and we didn't have to have arguments about inherent lag.
SNES9x ran on win98 and we didn't have arguments about inherent lag.
bsnes runs on windows 7 and up and we have to explain ad fucking nauseam that post-XP windows adds so much fucking overhead that RetroArch has to resort to hail mary tricks to try and get the lag back down to acceptable levels.
Even linux is lagged as fuck. Someone needs to make RetroArchBSD that uses raw framebuffers and serial controllers so we can get emulators that are as good as 20 years ago again.

>> No.6764362

>>6762246
Basically, yes. Clear plastic is hard to work with. Depending on the type of clear plastic you are using it's often more brittle and more prone to wastage, increasing costs. Also if you want perfectly clear plastic that increases costs significantly, hence why you tend to see "frosted" plastic which hides a multitude of sins.

>> No.6764509

>>6764085
I still won't buy one of these. I'm good with the emulators I have on my PC.

>> No.6764708 [DELETED] 

>>6764338
Tell me how they solve the USB input lag problem.

>> No.6765665

>>6756038
>1. runahead is better than this trash on retroarch.
>
>2. retroarch has next frame response already
Um, anon, sorry to burst your bubble but straight from the horse's mouth
>Accurate? No way. Fascinating? You betcha.
You emufags love to tout muh cycle accuracy while you also run shitty hacks that destroy the accuracy. Software emu means
>accuracy
>low latency
You can only pick one you poor impoverished stinky smelly piece of financially challenged shit. Choose wisely you broke bitch.

>> No.6765673

>>6765665
I meant to cite the original source just in case you feel the need to dispute this: https://www.libretro.com/index.php/retroarch-1-7-2%E2%80%8A-%E2%80%8Aachieving-better-latency-than-original-hardware-through-new-runahead-method/

>> No.6765706

>>6764338
>ZSNES ran on DOS and we didn't have to have arguments about inherent lag.
>SNES9x ran on win98 and we didn't have arguments about inherent lag.
Bull. The reason why we didn't have a lot of arguments about inherent lag was because nobody was dumb enough to claim it was as good as the real thing, it was seen as an interesting curiosity.

>> No.6766682

>>6764362
Okay. It is a legitimate and fair reason. I wanted one and missed out, thinking they were manipulating the supply. A shame, since I still want one. They should have it listed under limited edition.