/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6739392]

Selling, buying or producing reproduction cartridges or labels is wrong - It is illegal, and it is literally killing the retro gaming hobby. Anyone who takes part in such activities is a scumbag and a criminal. Counterfeit and bootleg goods are against the law and no one has any right to do it. The excuse that you simply want them for your personal collection is disingenuous and impotent reasoning used by those who lack the will to track down legitimate copies like the rest of us in the collecting scene.

[Anonymous No.6739402]

you ever think guys like him and the nerd purposefully buy a solid number of obscure games, gas them up, make a podcast/video about them then sit back and watch their price skyrocket?

[Anonymous No.6739403]

>buying games
yea its wrong just download the rom for free

[Anonymous No.6739407]

>>6739402
>"Okay guys, you really need to check out this cool hidden gem. I found it on ebay right now for only $6. Really easy to get"
>Week later, the prices jump to an average of $25
e-celebs are killing retro gaming

[Anonymous No.6739418]

>>6739402
>>6739407
I'm just getting flashcarts and chipmodding systems going forward. I have a pretty good stack of retro games, but the scalping shit is fucking insane right now. A game I spent $5 on was $20 in 2010 and $60 today.

[Anonymous No.6739424]

>>6739407
the impact is probably small, but they do have a certain level of influence now vs then that allows them to do things like this

[Anonymous No.6739426]

>>6739418
I worry that when everyone wakes up to playing retro games this way, it's just going to inflate the prices of flashcarts. The only economical way forward is emulation.

[Anonymous No.6739428]

All pirate scumbags, kneel before collector gods and beg for forgiveness for emulating. You do not have our permission.

[Anonymous No.6739432]

>>6739392
>I don't want to help preserve history
>I don't want people to enjoy good retro games that will never get a rerelease

[Anonymous No.6739449]

Oh, it's this thread again? Wonder how long until it's rightfully deleted.

[Anonymous No.6739451]

>>6739426
Flashcarts aren't in limited quantity like retro games are. Even then reproduction carts/games will probably fill the demand a lot to. They aren't going to shoot up to $60 or anything, at least I hope not. Emulation is inevitable. Even if you get a flashcart the consoles themselves are going to keep going up in price, like 100 years from now when it costs $2000 for an N64.

[Anonymous No.6739458]

So you're saying a modern day product can be made using old-school technology that works almost exactly like the same original but without 20+ years of degredation and no one could tell the difference unless they had a micropenis-microscope?
Based.

[Anonymous No.6739460]

>>6739451
It's not a problem of limited quantity, it's moreso flashcart producers going "oh shit, we're running the gambit right now, time to hike up those prices just a bit....."
>$2000 for an n64
What a fucking world we'll be living in by then.

[Anonymous No.6739463]

>>6739402
No, they don't need to do that. Money is flowing without having to resort to such petty sceams for a couple of bucks.

[Anonymous No.6739464]

>>6739392
>this pasta again
just stop

[Anonymous No.6739472]

>>6739402
James? No, I doubt he'd be that shitty. Not even Mike. Certain other retro focused youtubers on the other hand probably do look forward to seeing what kind of influence they have.

[Anonymous No.6739483]

>>6739424
>the impact is probably small
>youtube video has over 500000 views

And thats just one youtuber

[Anonymous No.6739490]

>>6739392
Fuck Pat The NES Cuck. I'll do whatever I want with my collection. If I want to buy reproduction copies of games, I will. If I want to replace damaged labels with new ones, I will. My cartridges are not his property.

[Anonymous No.6739502]

I hope every hoarder and scalper dies

[Anonymous No.6739515]

>>6739392

[Anonymous No.6739517]

I'm South African, so when I was little, all our games were counterfeit anyway, because of global sanctions.

I didn't even know what a real NES cartridge looked like since a few years ago,

Hell, even my fucking first console was a "Golden China" famicom.

[Anonymous No.6739526]

>>6739517
I've seen vids cover the russian situation for games back in the day, just how shitty was the african experience?

[Anonymous No.6739548]

>>6739526
Not bad as a kid not knowing any better, fucking everyone had a Golden China famicom, and the games were cheap.

You'd only get the cartridge, so no box, no Nintendo logo, most kids grew up not knowing who Nintendo even was, despite playing all the games.

We never had the SNES, perhaps the bootleg scene wasn't as prevail ant, instead we skipped straight to Mega Drive (Genisis) same deal, bootleg cartridges, but again, we didn't know any better.

By the time Playstation arrived, sanctions were dropped and retail was available as normal.

[Anonymous No.6739564]

>>6739548
Sounds like you guys had to deal with the same shit the russians did. Is "Dendy" a console name that sounds familiar to you? That was their main nes knockoff.

[Anonymous No.6739581]

>>6739564
Nope, most common one for me was the Golden China.

They sold a motherfuckton of these, unlike Russians, whites in South Africa was usually universally well to do financially.

[Anonymous No.6739586]

This is usually what the cartridge you bought looked like.

It was usually cheap and you'd normally buy it from the Indian shops (Every town / city had Indians with electronic stores.)

[Anonymous No.6739587]

The only thing that every person in the planet can agree is that by far Pat has the most punchable face. God i hate this guy just by looking at it.

[Anonymous No.6739610]

>>6739586
Looks exactly like Russian cartridges. Seems like China just made slightly different versions of same basic bootlegs under different names for different countries.

Did you have Mega Man on Golden China?

[Anonymous No.6739616]

>>6739587
I wonder how much of it is expressions he makes and some micromovements.
But that guy who got d-pressed after Bill Burr interview (no not the crazy eyebrow one) has a more punchable face.

[Anonymous No.6739620]

If I ever got a repro for an expensive game passed off as a legitimate copy, I would mail it back with some C4

[Anonymous No.6739627]

>>6739392
Seems like a fair argument. I've never really been a fan of them because I'm not a fucking retard who buys retro games.

[Anonymous No.6739628]

Pat the nes faggot isn’t funny at all

[Anonymous No.6739630]

OP is being a faggot again.

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[Anonymous No.6739634]

>>6739610
Probably bro, this is like, what, 25 years ago? Can't remember! God bless the chinks not giving a flying fuck about sanctions.

[Anonymous No.6739672]

>>6739460
We prob wont be alive by then, but it'll happen for sure. Just look at 100 year old vintage firearms, cars or anything really.

[Anonymous No.6739690]

>>6739428
>You do not have our permission.
Seethe harder collector scumbag, and kill yourself when you realize the only meaning of your entire pathetic life was collecting some plastic made by some chinks.

[Anonymous No.6739693]

Pat the NES punk has got to be one of the most unlikable personalities. It was delicious he tried to ride James’ coattails and fucking flew out to pennsylvania to film a video and he still never got popular. He’s a gigantic asshole

[Anonymous No.6739694]

>>6739515
lol

Pat set 8-Bit Guy out by name on his podcast a couple of years ago for making a video showing how to make repro labels for your damaged ones. Pat said it was irresponsible and dangerous lol. 8-Bit Guy ended up getting harassed by Pat's army of cucks as well

[Anonymous No.6739702]

>>6739693
>still never got popular.
His podcast does really fucking well and they make a shitton from sponsors, he just spent a million on his new house he calls Caslte Contri

[Anonymous No.6739704]

Repros are retarded. Get a flashcart if you just want to play the game on real hardware.
The only reason for repros to exist is to scam people by passing them off as legit.

[Anonymous No.6739706]

Reminder Pat is so ashamed of his real dago name he changed it, his real name is Pat Buonincontri. He appeared on the old Spike TV series "1,000 Ways to Die" as a "Video Game Historian" years ago.

Video here:
https://youtu.be/G88fVFeb0uw

[Anonymous No.6739707]

>>6739407
>giving value to old games
>killing retro gaming
pick one

[Anonymous No.6739710]

>>6739702
I somehow doubt that

[Anonymous No.6739716]

>>6739707
>giving value

[Anonymous No.6739717]

>>6739526
>just how shitty was the african experience?
It wasn't shitty at all, it was the same in most of Latinamerica (official shit existed but was too expensive for most people).

It was the same. Perhaps better. On a famiclon you play the SAME shit, it isn't even emulation. Pirated games were ridiculously cheap and for the same money some rich fag got an original NES cart I could get 10 or 15 famiclon carts.
I played over 300 different games (the exact same available in NES and many that were officialy japan exclusive) I could just get 1 or more every week and exchange them with friends since most people used this clones and not the original shit.

>>6739548
>Not bad as a kid not knowing any better
I did know and why would I care? The games are the same. Who cares if the plastic has the official Nintendo logo or not? Don't be such a superficial cunt it doesn't matter and never mattered.
>>6739581
Solid high quality famiclons (there were shitty ones like Dendy and Nikita crap), I had one like these since 1990 to this days and works flawlessly.

[Anonymous No.6739734]

>>6739581
I had this one, best thing from my childhood.

[Anonymous No.6739735]

>>6739710
You can doubt it all you want but its true. They also have like 600 patrons on patreon but they keep the amount hidden.

[Anonymous No.6739737]

>>6739716
All your retro games are now worthless. Happy now?

[Anonymous No.6739742]

>>6739737
Yes

[Anonymous No.6739754]

>>6739402
Pat isn't popular enough to drive up prices, and it probably isn't cost efficient enough for James to bother.

[Anonymous No.6739772]

>>6739710
Yeah, he "just" spent that money 4 or 5 months ago when we had this exact thread again.

[Anonymous No.6739775]

>>6739392
Highly based, fuck yo ho hos

[Anonymous No.6739776]

>>6739772
I know his NES guidebook sold pretty well and its like 50 bucks. I don't know if he released the SNES one yet.

[Anonymous No.6739807]

>>6739392
What race is this.

[Anonymous No.6739845]

>>6739807
the based race

[Anonymous No.6739850]

A bit off topic but whatever happened to the BST threads here? back in 2011/2012 I did a fair bit of buying from anons on the board. Had good conversation with them too. Bought FFII and III, Stadium 2 and a Nintendo 64 Cartridge container. Sold the FF carts to another anon when I didn't find the time to play them like I wanted to.

[Anonymous No.6739852]

>>6739807
el goblino del americano, la criatura de la oscuridad

[Anonymous No.6739862]

>>6739807
Ariana Grande's on the spectrum brother wearing eyeliner.

[Anonymous No.6739937]

Gonna emulate some NES games just for you Pat, go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.6739951]

>>6739402
You really don't understand people if you think James would do something like that. Pat seems unlikely too but you never know as his income is limited. Others would for sure.

[Anonymous No.6739965]

>>6739807
see
>>6739706

Italian.

[Anonymous No.6739974]

>>6739852
>el goblerino de america
>hes a pure blooded italian
kwaf

[Anonymous No.6739979]

>>6739807
ameritalian

[Anonymous No.6739997]

>>6739463
this.
e-celebs have a large enough audience where every 5 minutes they breathe without doing something thats for example 5 G's in the bank, if you eat out at a steak house for an hour you literally made a few thousand. you cant outrun the money at a certain point

[Anonymous No.6740014]

>>6739951
Pat did report on a guy that contacted him on Twitter once about an experiment he did. The guy wanted to see if he could artifically inflate the price of a game by buying all the copies be could. He chose Rampart for Gameboy. He bought every single copy he saw on eBay for several months and sure enough the price for the cart did increase.

[Anonymous No.6740049]

>>6739392
I wish u zooms would stop posting his face. It just ruins my day. Make your shit thread, just use a picture of a dog turd or something next time. Thanks guys

[Anonymous No.6740068]

>>6740014
Would that really be considered artificially increasing though since it's due to scarcity? I would have thought artificial would mean doing some sort of tricks or hype to purposefully jack up the price.

[Anonymous No.6740080]

>>6739807
Jersey

[Anonymous No.6740105]

>>6739402
nah, but metal jesus do got me wondering.

[Anonymous No.6740127]

>>6740068
It would be artificial scarcity.

As I remember it though it has been asked during the Q and A part of the podcast if YouTubers drive up the prices of retro games by covering them and he said he believes they do, especially big ones like James

[Anonymous No.6740130]

Right now I can order SNES cartridges with the games that should have been released on the SNES by now.

[Anonymous No.6740132]

>reproduction
That's a nice way of saying counterfeit / bootleg / pirated.

[Anonymous No.6740136]

I respect Pat’s devotion to protecting what authentic retro games still exist by not flooding the market with simulacra, but I think limited runs of physical repros are fine as long as they clearly identify themselves as reproductions and don’t muddy the water for originals.

[Anonymous No.6740139]

>>6739620

[Anonymous No.6740141]

>>6740136
Yeah he has said he has no problem with repro carts and labels that are clearly marked as repros somewhere on them. The issue is people making them 1:1 and passing them off as genuine, or even if you just make it for your collection, you could sell it off or die and then more fakes enter the market by whoever sales your shit and didn't know you printed a new label or whatever.

[Anonymous No.6740147]

>>6740141
*sells

[Anonymous No.6740148]

>>6740132
>That's a nice way of saying counterfeit / bootleg / pirated.
So what? It's the same 25+ years old game.

[Anonymous No.6740158]

Pat and Ian are some of the biggest cucks in retro vidya. I still listen to a couple of his podcasts every now and then but they're still huge faggots.

[Anonymous No.6740206]

I just don't see by what perversion of logic anyone can believe this. Hording mentality is only gonna cause it so a handful of "hobbyists" can play this games and as soon as those copies are all out of circulation the games are basically gone forever. I make no pretense of anything regarding legality but emulation is the only thing keeping most of this shit alive at all.

[Anonymous No.6740214]

>>6739392
There will, and always have been the haves and the haves not. The haves don’t notice the have nots, but they live a cosy rent free life in their head.

[Anonymous No.6740215]

>>6740148
Not him, but paying for repros feels like paying for roms, which feels retarded.

[Anonymous No.6740226]

>>6740158
Wtf is Ian's deal anyway? These two guys come off at a weird angle about everything, I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.6740231]

>>6740226
>Wtf is Ian's deal anyway?
He sounds like a nihilistic faggy sjw and tends to have the wrong opinion about pretty much everything. Pat's not as bad as Ian but he's still pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.6740234]

>>6739850
Why dont you start one. Probably nobody here has any games though.

[Anonymous No.6740260]

>>6740215
I don't mind it on the principle that the price is reasonable and you're not being rused into thinking it's legit. If someone says hey here's a repro of fucking Chrono Trigger for 20 bucks and if someone wants to buy it it's all square.

[Anonymous No.6740279]

>>6740260
I mean, I do consider repro sellers that make it known that its a repo for a cheaper price to be better than I KNOW WHAT I HAVE faggots. I just always get this feeling you should just get a flashcart if you're going to get repros though.

[Anonymous No.6740289]

>>6740215
I absolutely agree.
But at the same time, even legit copies are fucking roms, too.

[Anonymous No.6740313]

>>6740289
You've actually got a point there. At the end of the day, you're fighting over when the rom was burned onto the cart.

[Anonymous No.6740331]

>>6740313
this is unironically a 250 IQ take

[Anonymous No.6740343]

>>6740313
You basically ended the thread.

[Anonymous No.6740358]

>>6740313
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE ROM WASN'T BURNED ONTO THE CART IN THE 80/90S. IT'S NOT AS GOOOOOOOOOOD.

[Anonymous No.6740367]

>>6740289
>>6740313
Technically this is absolutely correct, but at this point it becomes a question of why not just buy a flash-cart to play the exact same unadulterated roms and skip repros, since in the same way as owning the original holds no value in this argument neither will a repro mock-up?

[Anonymous No.6740370]

>>6740367
The only time it would make sense is when you're only collecting a small amount of your favorites. If you're wanting to actually collect a large amount of the library, you might as well just buy a flashcart. Or save yourself the money and just emulate.

[Anonymous No.6740379]

>>6740367
>at this point it becomes a question of why not just buy a flash-cart
I guess I'd rather have one cartridge for every game, instead of a xxx-in-1.

[Anonymous No.6740447]

>>6739392
It's obvious he got massively screwed at some point. Literally only affects resellers, of which Pat is just about the most hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.6740463]

>>6739502
Do I have some good news for you anon. Human beings are not immortal. Everyone dies in the end. Even you. Patience.

[Anonymous No.6740467]

>>6740379
>e-celebs constantly preach that you should have physical carts for each game
>a lot of those same e-celebs say they use a flashcart "so they don't have to get up and swap the cart"
When and why did we allow grey plastic to be seen as gold trophies?

[Anonymous No.6740493]

>>6740467
I don't know anon, I follow and listen to no e-celeb.
It's just that with a flashcart I know I'm going to shuffle from one game to another, instead of focusing on one game, beating it, and then moving on to another one.

[Anonymous No.6740514]

>>6740493
So cartridges are for weak willed plebeians? Sounds right

[Anonymous No.6740518]

>>6739407
1. get lots of kusoge
2. ask e-celeb to make a video of hidden gems
3. ???
4. PROFIT

[Anonymous No.6742371]

At least he called out that faggot who destroyed the Pac-Man cabinet with his kid.

[Anonymous No.6742784]

>>6739392
I've been perfecting fake carts here. The PCB and chips are easy, the toughest part is the exterior box. Thankfully there are printing methods which emulate commercial offset pretty well these days.

[Anonymous No.6742810]

>>6739392
Does this work? How hard is it? How much money do you think I'd make?

[Anonymous No.6743076]

>>6740514
BTFO
It is like the emulator save state argument, it isn't the emulator's fault that you have no self-control over what little frustration appears in front of you.

[Anonymous No.6743103]

>>6742784
I don't suppose you'll share your tricks?

[Anonymous No.6743419]

>>6743103
Yes. Open source counterfeiting to give all the collectorfags an anyeurism. They'll never know if what they're buying/playing is "authentic" again.

[Anonymous No.6743451]

I watched this faggots podcast on youtube once and he spent the first five minutes talking about his new haircut.

the only thing more pathetic than these absolute bores are the people who watch them